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--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:41 2004 00:08 < jsaw> rxr: reading the svn release page, the symbolic link thing sounds rather strange... ("this is not about [...] links inside a repository [...]") 00:16 < rxr> yes - sounds odd 00:16 < rxr> generally supported but not if the symlink points to s.th. in the svn repository 00:16 < rxr> really strange 00:17 < rxr> maybe some thinko in the text - I can not imagine why a symlink with a target outside the repostitory should be handled differently ... 00:18 < jsaw> lemma guess, for not to make wincrap user upset? 00:18 < rxr> hm 00:21 < SMP> why would you want to have symlinks pointing around in your repo 00:21 < SMP> that's ugly 00:23 < rxr> even in rock linux we had such stuff 00:23 < SMP> I know. it was ugly 00:24 < rxr> sure - but there can be use cases where it is handy ... 00:24 < rxr> sure - normally not needed - but what makes in-repository symlink different from ones pointing somewhere else .. 00:56 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.201.226] has joined #rocklinux 00:59 -!- [ARC]Rande [~vircuser@randeknight.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:00 < [ARC]Rande> *wave* 01:00 < jsaw> hi there 01:01 < [ARC]Rande> hate to start off with asking a question, but someone here managed to solve it before... 01:02 < jsaw> ready steady go 01:02 < [ARC]Rande> I'm compiling xfree from source with uclibc, but it's getting confused with using libm or mymath.h 01:03 < jsaw> hmmm, who was this. mnemoc? 01:03 < [ARC]Rande> blindcoder 01:03 < mnemoc> uhm? 01:03 < [ARC]Rande> https://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/rocklinux-2004-01-25 01:03 < mnemoc> uclibc package is unfinished work 01:04 < mnemoc> (afaik) 01:04 < jsaw> ah blindy... 01:04 < [ARC]Rande> ok. just wondered if anyone knew off the top of their heads how to force it to use one or the other. I've tried moving mymath.h, but that didn't seem to help 01:06 < batok> hi guys 01:07 < jsaw> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -nostdinc -Ipath-to-uclibc -I`gcc --print-file-name=include` -I/usr/include" 01:08 < batok> I am trying to Build the livecd target but the build.sh seems to require create_compressed_fs ... Where can I get this command or script or whatever it is... I did a google search but there's official site on this one... 01:10 < [ARC]Rande> compressed fs? that like cramfs? 01:10 < fake> rxr: some e17 packages seem to have their build order b0rken 01:10 < fake> rxr: on re-BuildTarget they compile 01:10 < fake> batok: cloop 01:10 < fake> batok: cloop is broken ATM 01:11 < fake> batok: but, as stated in the livecd README, you need cloop on your system 01:11 < batok> ok 01:11 < fake> batok: because elsewise, there is no create_compressed_fs ;) 01:11 < jsaw> fake: running the re-ordering (flat sth.) during this re-ordering was not a good idea (TM) 01:11 < rxr> fake: some dep dance will fix it ... 01:11 < fake> jsaw: seems so 01:12 < fake> rxr: shall i post the list of affected pkgs? 01:13 < jsaw> parted is also a candidate 01:18 * jsaw doesn't want to update sm today and runs away 01:22 * rxr off into bed, too 01:22 < rxr> cu later 01:25 < mnemoc> cu 01:27 < rxr> hehe - nice mail mnemoc ,= 01:27 * rxr off now 01:44 -!- Rande [~vircuser@randeknight.com] has joined #rocklinux 01:44 -!- Rande is now known as [ARC]Rande2 01:44 -!- [ARC]Rande2 [~vircuser@randeknight.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:46 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.52.201.226] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031115]"] 01:47 < mnemoc> MadTux!! 01:49 < mnemoc> dammit cl:1 cr:1 :( 01:49 < mnemoc> 25 minutes left 01:49 < fake> ? 01:49 < fake> soccer? 01:49 < mnemoc> yep 01:50 < mnemoc> we have been wining the whole match and those $badword scored :\ 01:51 < fake> hehe 01:53 * fake live-updating his system... prays it'll work ;) 01:54 * mnemoc fears 01:58 < SMP> mnemoc: what kind of game? some championship, or qualifying? 01:58 < mnemoc> qualifying 01:59 < SMP> for which championship? 01:59 < mnemoc> copa america, to go to germany ;) 02:03 -!- [ARC]Rande [~vircuser@randeknight.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:07 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F5BF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:07 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F1A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:07 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:22 -!- manson [~manson@adsl-66-143-198-186.dsl.ablntx.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:24 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-134.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:28 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-078-210.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:45 -!- manson [~manson@adsl-66-143-198-186.dsl.ablntx.swbell.net] has left #rocklinux ["Client exiting"] 07:37 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-212-202-42-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:37 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 07:37 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 07:37 [Users #rocklinux] 07:37 [ blindy] [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ owl ] [ StefanG] [ valentin] 07:37 [ BOS ] [ fake ] [ luckz ] [ rolla] [ tfing ] 07:37 [ daja77] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 07:37 [ dsoul ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr_ ] [ togg ] 07:37 [ dzafez] [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ SMP ] [ true ] 07:37 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal] 07:37 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 07:37 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 07:37 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 07:41 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@port-212-202-42-170.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:53 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-41-251.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:53 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-251.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:11 < blindy> moin 08:34 < netrunner> moin, 2 08:34 < blindy> hi netti 08:35 < dsoul> hi netrunner 08:35 * blindy trying on-the-fly encrypting filesystems 08:35 < blindy> hmm 08:35 < blindy> strange grammar 08:36 * blindy is trying to encrypt filesystems on the fly now 08:36 < blindy> much better 08:36 < dsoul> :> 08:37 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 08:52 < blindy> hmm 08:52 < blindy> it might work... 08:55 < blindy> but the machine I tried it on fscked up 08:55 < blindy> maybe because it's an USB device 09:12 < blindy> doh 09:12 < blindy> Note to self: when using encryption, make sure to apply the _correct_ patch to the kernel 09:14 < dsoul> :P 09:52 -!- De_Elsasser [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-23-28.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:53 < De_Elsasser> hilly, hullu! 09:54 < blindy> hi De_Elsasser 09:55 < blindy> the one making strange sounds 09:55 < De_Elsasser> hallo blindy 09:58 < rxr_> moikn 09:59 < De_Elsasser> blindy: what's meen "svn: 'trunk' is already a working copy for a different URL"? 09:59 < De_Elsasser> after I do: " svn co https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk" 10:01 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 10:04 < blindy> De_Elsasser: that means that the directory trunk already exists 10:04 < blindy> moin valentin 10:05 < De_Elsasser> yes it did and... 10:06 < blindy> De_Elsasser: well, svn refuses to overwrite int 10:06 < blindy> it 10:06 < blindy> what is it you want to do? 10:07 < De_Elsasser> I want to mantain my tree 10:07 < blindy> how? 10:07 < blindy> update it to current svn:HEAD? 10:07 < blindy> check out a new tree? 10:07 < blindy> move to a different server/mirror? 10:08 < De_Elsasser> I want to become the last modification 10:08 < blindy> ok 10:08 < blindy> then do: 10:08 < blindy> cd /path/to/trunk 10:08 < blindy> svn up 10:08 < De_Elsasser> ok 10:10 < De_Elsasser> yes of courses: 9 month whitout do that... 10:13 < De_Elsasser> you should add this to Source Tree->Getting in the web 10:15 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:26 -!- De_Elsasser [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-23-28.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["no reason"] 10:29 -!- De_Elsasser [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-23-28.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 10:54 < blindy> moin rxr 10:56 < rxr> hi blindy 10:56 < dsoul> hi rxr 10:56 < rxr> how is your work and so? 10:56 < owl> hi 10:57 < dsoul> hi owl 10:58 < owl> hi dsoul 10:58 < daja77> omg! 10:58 -!- De_Elsasser_ [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-9-207.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 10:59 < daja77> there is a new fastest linux distro approaching 10:59 < dsoul> owl mephisto looks very tasty ;> 10:59 < owl> dsoul: hehe. tasty??? he's fat! 10:59 < daja77> see https://www.yoper.com, look at their code and let them die in shame 11:00 < dsoul> owl so?:) 11:00 < dsoul> thats good :) 11:00 < De_Elsasser_> hallo daja77 11:00 < daja77> hi De_Elsasser_ 11:00 < owl> dsoul: you like fat hamsters? buah. 11:00 < dsoul> :P 11:04 < rxr> dsoul: what have you found in the yoper source? 11:05 < rxr> daja77: even ... 11:05 < dsoul> :> 11:05 < daja77> rxr: a binary libstdc++ in cvs for example 11:06 < daja77> and other binaries 11:08 < rxr> and the sources are ugly and featureless, too ... 11:08 < daja77> yep 11:08 < daja77> 1.Yoper V2 (Prefinal) has proven itself to be the Fastest, and most nimble Linux OS in the World, requiring the least expense of time for installation, and boottime.It has also proven to have the smallest memory footprint of any Major Linux distribution. 11:09 < daja77> ... 11:09 < daja77> but this crap stuff gets hyped for bein the fastest 11:09 < daja77> guess what? they compile with -march=i686 11:10 < daja77> even gentoo has better code than they have 11:10 < daja77> but the hype works the same way 11:10 < blindy> nothing like good publicity 11:11 < daja77> but what for 11:11 < blindy> making money, obviously 11:11 < blindy> making money rarely has a relationship with common sense or facts, has it? 11:11 < ringo> daja77: That is one of the main objectives for many people ... 11:12 < daja77> ringo: ? 11:12 < ringo> daja77: Making money .. 11:12 -!- De_Elsasser [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-23-28.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:12 < daja77> I don't mind if people want to make money, i just don't get the point of this stupid distro 11:13 < daja77> if i want to use a recent tgz pased distro i could use slackware 11:13 < dsoul> daja77 point is not to use it :P 11:13 < daja77> dsoul: hehe, true that 11:13 < ringo> ok .. r0ck r0cks :) 11:14 < dsoul> :> 11:14 < De_Elsasser_> why RockLinux haven't good publicity? 11:14 < ringo> I have some usb at the monent wanna have rock on it :) 128 Mb must be possible ... 11:14 < daja77> De_Elsasser_: because we are not l33t enough to be the fastest 11:15 < blindy> daja77: point is for yoper to make money 11:15 < De_Elsasser_> l33t? 11:15 < daja77> leet 11:17 * De_Elsasser_ must find a dictionary... 11:17 < blindy> bbl 11:17 < daja77> De_Elsasser_: https://dict.tu-chemnitz,de 11:18 < De_Elsasser_> thank 11:18 < De_Elsasser_> please why a dot 11:19 < daja77> erhm yes 11:22 < ringo> noble is a much nicer word then l33t ... 11:22 < togg> hi all 11:22 < De_Elsasser_> when I try leet, I have some blabla but not a very translation 11:22 < togg> anyone has a modified rocknet script which works with SH only? (not bash) 11:23 < daja77> i should grab that iso and try that out 11:23 < dsoul> hi togg 11:23 < ringo> hi togg 11:23 < togg> moin :) 11:23 < ringo> ringo is feeling depressed 11:24 < togg> ringo: why that 11:25 < De_Elsasser_> hilli, halli, al 11:25 < daja77> hm 4 users in #yoper 11:25 < daja77> not in this network 11:26 < De_Elsasser_> :)) 11:26 < daja77> this is quite strange regarding the fact that their mirrors are overloaded 11:26 < togg> i have no bash on my system, but want to use the rocknet script 11:27 < togg> anyone has a modification that works with sh ? 11:28 < netrunner> togg: install bash. the features used in rocknet are not sh compatible. 11:31 < togg> netrunner: bash is 400 k big, i only have 6 mb space on my system 11:31 < togg> i think then i will use the ifup/down from busybox 11:32 < togg> the substitutions ${active_interfaces//${1},/} e.g. are not supported, but they can converted to work with sh 11:35 < ringo> pff : dunno dot want to do a psycho analysis of myself at the moment .. 11:36 < togg> ringo: girlfriend probs? 11:37 < ringo> nope ... no gf never had one I have a comp ... 11:41 < togg> i also have several comps 11:52 < ringo> so time::computers && time::gf = NULL 11:52 < daja77> O_o 11:54 < ringo> I have to make somnething up to hide my social disfunction. 11:56 < daja77> ic 11:58 < daja77> rxr: btw we should ship the rocklinux wallpapers and set one as default 12:21 -!- dzafez_ [~dzafez@pD95F93F6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:38 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@pD95F9088.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:39 < blindy> re 13:00 < ringo> re 13:33 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 14:17 < netrunner> fake: ping 14:18 < dsoul> netrunner try ddos ;> more 1337 :P 14:29 < rolla> re 14:39 < rolla> anyone around? 15:18 -!- ringo is now known as psychotic 15:19 -!- psychotic is now known as psychotic_ 15:19 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-078-210.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 15:27 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:27 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-078-210.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:40 -!- psychotic_ [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has quit ["cul"] 16:05 < daja77> sigh 16:05 < daja77> anyone tried 2.0.2 isos on x86? 16:16 < blindy> no 16:16 < blindy> why? 16:18 < daja77> because it is horribly broken 16:20 < fake> well, that's all just because of submaster, i bet *g* 16:21 < daja77> no i guess it is because it runs well on ppc ... 16:22 < daja77> and I am speaking of stable 2.0, it seems to have more bugs than my 3 weeks old 2.1 build 16:24 < blindy> daja77: well, then compare it with an actual 2.1 build :D 16:25 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-145-254-078-210.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:27 < mnemoc> moin! 16:29 -!- BOS [~BoS@dialin-212-144-018-235.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:39 < daja77> blindy: oh no, better not 16:40 < blindy> hehe 16:40 < blindy> guess I'll go home now 16:40 < blindy> bye 16:40 < daja77> the first time that rockplug failed 16:52 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 16:52 < MadTux> good days! 16:52 < MadTux> hello mnemoc 16:52 * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS! 16:52 < mnemoc> maldito costarricense 16:52 < th> hi 16:52 < MadTux> Costa Rica _2_ - Chile _1_ 16:52 * mnemoc kicks MadTux 16:53 < mnemoc> hi th 16:53 * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS! 16:53 < fake> *lol* 16:53 * th hates kde-font-issues 16:53 < th> fully fsck'ed up 16:53 < MadTux> oh what a great ay :) 16:53 < MadTux> day* 16:54 < mnemoc> th: move to xfce4 ;) 16:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: what;s wrong? did cat eat ur tongue? 16:54 < mnemoc> MadTux: no, it's just a cold day 16:54 < th> mnemoc: does that fix {qt,kde}'s font issues? 16:54 < daja77> guess cr got the chile team drunk to win 16:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: but don't worry the "game" with chile was a nice practice for the Glorious, Powerfull and Amazing CR team :) 16:54 < mnemoc> th: droping kde solve any kde issue ;) 16:55 < mnemoc> MadTux: aaaargh! 16:55 < MadTux> mnemoc:really it was fun :) 16:55 < th> mnemoc: ahh xfce4. i read it as x.org 16:55 * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS! 16:55 * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS! 16:55 * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS! 16:55 < MadTux> :) 16:55 < mnemoc> :\ 16:55 < daja77> stop spamming 16:55 * netrunner *ignorance increased* 16:55 < mnemoc> hi daja77 16:55 < MadTux> daja77: let me enjoy the moment 16:55 < th> mnemoc: perhaps i could use it's login-manager 16:55 < mnemoc> i notice that 16:55 < mnemoc> hi netrunner 16:56 < MadTux> netrunner: are u ignoring me? :( 16:56 < mnemoc> ignorance != to ignore 16:57 < daja77> MadTux: so you'll be in .de in 2006? 16:57 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-210-088.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:57 < netrunner> MadTux: /ignore *OLEEE* 16:57 < netrunner> :) 16:57 < MadTux> daja77: dunno.. i'm not really a fan of soccer.. but i LOVE teasing soccer freaks :) 16:57 < mnemoc> .cr _can_ be one of the two 'best thirds' 16:58 < mnemoc> i'm not a soccer freak, it's nationalism ;) 16:58 < daja77> MadTux: soccer freaks in this chan? 16:58 < MadTux> honestly.. current cr team SUCKS 16:58 < mnemoc> .cr v/s .cl 16:58 < MadTux> daja77: look at mnemoc 16:58 * daja77 moves a bit away from mnemoc 16:58 < mnemoc> MadTux: our' suck worse then 16:59 < daja77> .oO (all suckers) 16:59 * daja77 hides 16:59 < mnemoc> :p 16:59 < MadTux> daja77: full ack 16:59 < mnemoc> telling the true is not a reason to hide 16:59 < daja77> mnemoc: depends who does not like the truth 17:01 < mnemoc> :) 17:02 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-206-215.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 < daja77> hm now that i played some tricks it runs quite nice 17:20 < daja77> kde 3.2.3 is fast 17:21 < th> daja77: how about the fonts? 17:21 < daja77> well i had to choose a font manually for konsole 17:21 < th> daja77: this does not only affect konsole 17:22 < daja77> and konsole identifies as nxterm which is crap 17:22 < daja77> konqueror has readable fonts 17:22 < th> daja77: kdm is affected too. so i'm seeking for a more global solution 17:22 < daja77> kdm hm 17:22 < daja77> i could just figure that out 17:23 < th> that would be of great help 17:23 < daja77> so brb 17:23 < th> seems to be fontconfig/Xft/qt/etc related 17:26 < daja77> hm you mean that ugly old fashioned looking font? 17:26 < th> daja77: ack 17:26 < th> daja77: s/old fashioned/old german letters/ 17:26 < mnemoc> :p 17:27 < daja77> yep 17:30 < daja77> where is that kdm config tool 17:31 < th> daja77: try to run it from control center 17:31 < th> daja77: at administration 17:31 < th> daja77: login manager 17:32 < daja77> cool you can register a vim komponent for kde 17:32 < daja77> at? 17:32 < th> daja77: "System Administration">"Login Manager" 17:33 < th> daja77: this generates a new kdmrc 17:33 < daja77> ah found it, have a german controlcenter 17:33 < th> daja77: and it specifies a font there 17:33 < daja77> there you can set a font hm 17:33 < daja77> it is set to charter 24 17:33 < th> daja77: but the font-info in kdmrc does not seem to be honored 17:33 < th> daja77: yes i did that 17:33 < th> daja77: i applied and rerun kdm 17:34 < th> daja77: with no effect 17:34 < daja77> d'oh 17:39 < th> daja77: i'd like to see another affected app that is not that complex 17:40 < daja77> hm changing kdm font worked 17:40 < th> chaged to what? 17:40 < th> changed 17:40 < daja77> but it changed language to italian and failed to set background image >_< 17:41 < daja77> brushstroke 17:42 < th> daja77: you are right! burhstroke works! 17:42 < th> daja77: so what differs from charter to brushstroke? 17:42 < daja77> dunno 17:42 < daja77> perhaps the font type 17:43 < th> daja77: the interesting thing is, that the font "works" in preview in control center 17:43 < daja77> hm 17:44 < daja77> k. guess the background image is at the wrong location 17:45 < th> daja77: any idea how to resolve "brushtroke" to a font file name? 17:46 < daja77> ugh 17:54 < th> daja77: i dunno how to trace that :-/ 17:55 < th> that's "Krap" 17:55 < daja77> hehe 17:58 < daja77> but rock 2.0.2 is quite a speed improvement over rh8 on that box 18:00 < rxr> rehi 18:00 < th> hi rxr 18:05 < th> rxr: i spent some hours with kde-font-crap but got no clue 18:06 < th> rxr: the font for kdm works in the preview and is bad in kdm itself. 18:07 < th> rxr: the font for Konsole is bad in the font-chooser too 18:13 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 18:19 < rxr> th: hm :-( 18:21 < th> rxr: we could change both fonds. but that wouldnt be a solution 19:15 < fake> *many* packages with stages > 2 are missing the use of $root... 19:15 < luckz> msg L recover #sven-logs 19:15 < luckz> sry 19:16 < mnemoc> :) 19:16 < mnemoc> fake: \$${foo}dir vars include it 19:17 < fake> mnemoc: but not stuff like var_append confopt "--prefix=/usr" 19:17 < mnemoc> :p 19:17 < fake> <- getting food 19:17 < mnemoc> how *many* packages do that? 19:24 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M227P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 19:30 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has joined #rocklinux 19:41 -!- nookie [~nookie@M368P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:36 < dzafez_> hi 20:37 < dzafez_> I have some Problems building the boot target 20:38 < dzafez_> at first the build crashed because of Problems with dietlibc 20:38 < dzafez_> ./scripts/Config wouldn't let me disable dietlibc so I had to do this within the Config file directly 20:39 < dzafez_> not too much of a deal 20:39 < dzafez_> then doing the build it gives a error in beginning of stage 2 at the binutils 20:40 < rxr> erhm - you strictly need dietlibc for the current install/boot target ... 20:40 < dzafez_> ups 20:40 < dzafez_> ok 20:41 < dzafez_> Ill retry 20:43 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M227P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:44 -!- nookie [~nookie@M227P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 20:47 < dzafez_> ok I'll now build bootdisk with default settings - except I'll TMPFS and let him stop when a package doesn't work 20:48 < dzafez_> How long should that take? 20:48 < rxr> depends on your box - my 270Mhz Ultra SPARC needs some days ... 20:49 < dzafez_> hm P4 HT 2.6 GHz with 512MB FSB800 RAM and SATA 20:50 < dzafez_> I basiclly build this mashine to toy with rock 20:50 < rxr> duno - less than a day - maybe 10 hours or so ... 20:50 < dzafez_> for bootdisk? 20:50 < dzafez_> wow 20:50 < rxr> dzafez_: do you use 2.0-stable or trunk ? 20:51 < rxr> dzafez_: for the bootdisk a wohle compiler, glibc, two linux kernsl, ... are build ... 20:51 < dzafez_> I use 2.0.1 your desktop build as system and the sources are 2.0.2 20:51 < rxr> ah - good - better stick to 2.0-stable - trunk is in fast flux ... 20:53 < dzafez_> Ok for a Idea I needed 2 Hours for stage 0 and stage 1 together 20:55 < th> hmm /etc/cron.daily/81-scrollkeeper gives ugly errors in cron.run 20:59 < dzafez_> why exactly are both kernel build for bootdisk? wouldn't it be enough to build the one selected in the Config? 21:00 < dzafez_> I bed you allready had that discussion 21:00 < rxr> the user might like to change the other (although I wonder if all architecture bootdisk use both ...) 21:00 < rxr> x86 does not IIRC ... :-( 21:01 < dzafez_> IIRC???? 21:02 < dzafez_> what's that? 21:05 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has joined #rocklinux 21:05 < MadTux> re. 21:09 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-144.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 21:15 < dzafez_> rxr ? 21:17 < dzafez_> sorry, but I don't understand : IIRC - please explain 21:17 -!- dzafez_ is now known as dzafez 21:17 < daja77> iirc = if i recall correctly 21:18 < dzafez> ok thank you daja77 21:18 < dzafez> daja77, you said 2.0.2 is terribly broken 21:18 < daja77> well I spoke of my isos 21:18 < dzafez> could that exlain why my bootdisk target isn't building 21:18 < dzafez> ? 21:19 < daja77> no 21:19 < daja77> bootdisk target built fine here 21:19 < dzafez> ok I'll keep a Eye on it 21:20 < dzafez> what iso have you build? drock x86? 21:20 < dzafez> or minimal? 21:20 < daja77> generic 21:20 < dzafez> for what CPU? 21:21 < daja77> pentium-mmx 21:21 < dzafez> what CPU are you using? 21:22 < daja77> athlon, athlon xp, pentium4 21:23 < dzafez> so why would you wanna build pentium-mmx? Why don't you build one for each? 21:24 < daja77> cos I don't have to waste my time, and don't want to carry 3 cd sets 21:24 < daja77> it is fast anyway 21:24 < dzafez> ok 21:25 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-112.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:25 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 21:26 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: netrunner, owl, rolla, togg 21:28 -!- Netsplit over, joins: owl, netrunner, rolla 21:33 < dzafez> kill me for my stupid questions ... how does a "Package selection rule" have to look like? 21:34 -!- MadTux [~mike@master.hack-solutions.com] has quit ["leaving"] 21:34 < daja77> X packagename, for selecting a packge 21:35 < daja77> O packagename, for deselecting a package 21:35 < dzafez> ok that would be in the package file 21:36 < dzafez> but in the ./scripts/config ?? 21:36 < dzafez> or is that not possible jet? 21:36 < daja77> as i said ... 21:38 < dzafez> oh sorry didn't get it the first time 21:38 < dzafez> sorry for that .. /me feels so stupid 21:39 < daja77> no need to worry 21:41 -!- rolla_ [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:47 < De_Elsasser_> so man, I go... 21:47 -!- De_Elsasser_ [~chatzilla@ANancy-110-1-9-207.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040313]"] 21:53 -!- rolla [maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:57 < owl> hi. someone knows which keyboard-model a DEC 3000-M300LX needs? 21:58 < daja77> google? 21:59 < owl> daja77: *kick* 21:59 < netrunner> daja77: oh I hate this guy, he's always trying to sell me stuff or point me to ebay ;) 22:00 < daja77> hehe 22:00 < daja77> owl: will you be at the dev meeting`? 22:01 < owl> daja77: devmeeting? where? when? 22:13 < th> /etc/inittab: X:5:respawn:/usr/X11/bin/startxdm 22:13 < th> that's quite bad 22:13 < th> cause startxdm returns after starting the xd 22:13 < th> m 22:13 < th> and it respawns at once 22:13 < rxr> yesno 22:13 < dzafez> does anyone care for a IPC sparcstation? 22:13 < th> until it gets disabled for 5 minutes 22:13 < dzafez> old one 22:13 < rxr> there was a but in earlier releeases -but it should be fixed in head 22:14 < th> (because of respawning too fast) 22:14 < rxr> by not daemonizing the dm's .. 22:14 < th> there was a "but"? 22:14 < rxr> bug 22:14 < th> ah 22:14 < dzafez> Model # 47 22:15 < th> how to daemonize xdm? 22:15 < rxr> me eating a yoghourt 22:15 < dzafez> I'll give it away for free to good hands 22:15 < rxr> you need not to daemonize it 22:15 < th> i mean: how to keep it in foreground 22:15 < rxr> I have an IPX mainboard - but the NVRAM battery is empty :-( 22:15 < dzafez> only condition - it shall runt ROCKLinux (just kidding, do what ya want) 22:15 < rxr> -nodeamon or so 22:16 < th> rxr: uhh. it's not in --help - but seems to work 22:16 -!- pla^net [~sack@dynadsl-080-228-95-204.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:17 < daja77> owl: https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040713.202828.64f4ff2d.html 22:17 < th> rxr: it's fixed in trunk's head already 22:18 < dzafez> gn8 22:19 < rxr> n8 dzafez 22:19 < th> rxr: shall i rediff for 2.0-stable, or can you change it directly? 22:19 < rxr> I can merge it - if it is not yet merged ... 22:19 < th> rxr: seems to be more than one patch in trunk 22:19 < th> rxr: it isn't 22:19 < rxr> ok - I take a look after my yoghourt ... 22:19 < th> rxr: thanks. last patch in trunk was r3214 22:22 < owl> daja77: hm. yeah. true and /me would be interested (not the whole time staying there, but being there sometimes or so) 22:28 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8DA9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:31 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C5E0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:39 < rxr> dzafez: if you really wanna give it away, I always take sparc hardware ,) 22:41 -!- pla^net [~sack@dynadsl-080-228-95-204.ewetel.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:43 < rxr> th: xdm stuff merged 22:43 < th> rxr: thanks 22:44 < th> rxr: finally i have a clue about that font "Krap" 22:44 < th> rxr: it seems that kdm_greet is unable to scale a font 22:44 < rxr> oh - cool - elaborate 22:45 < daja77> yeah tell more 22:45 < th> rxr: and the default font can only be reached by scaling 22:45 < th> it was "Charter,24" or so 22:46 < rxr> but this seems to be a special issue with bitmap fonts 22:46 < th> i just got a clue - not the whole solution 22:46 < th> but i fixed it by adapting kdmrc 22:46 < rxr> the default font for the konsole is also a bitmap one 22:46 < th> [X-*-Greeter] needs a "GreetFont=Helvetica,17,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0" 22:46 < rxr> it is the kde default - it must work in SuSE ... ,-) 22:46 < daja77> rxr: it is broken 22:47 < rxr> in e.g. SuSE, too ?!?!?!?! 22:47 < rxr> they pay for it - and users pay for SuSE 22:47 < daja77> when you tell konsole to use a greater font, it becomes unreadable crap 22:47 < rxr> you tell me they even have a broken kdm default font? 22:47 < daja77> rxr: dunno I can test suse for you if you like 22:48 < th> as the konsole fix. this is only a workaround too. 22:48 < rxr> hm - if we get no clue soon, comparing qith another dist is an option 22:48 < rxr> my shit f*cking neighbor alsoway listens to news very loud in around midnight .... 22:49 < rxr> never saw him/her/them so far - I guess some old people smoking the whole day 22:49 < daja77> rxr: i could test suse personal edition in qemu, and have a look, tomorrow 22:49 < rxr> at least that is the smell on the floor 22:49 < rxr> but today he has no luck getting on my nerves why I try to get sleep 22:49 < th> daja77: i think that could help. but it'll still be hard to trace i suppose 22:49 < daja77> we'll see 22:49 < th> i suspect suse uses a kdmrc dictating the font 22:50 < rxr> tomorrow I do not need to get up early - so he can listen to my music with loud bases ,) 22:50 < daja77> hehe 22:50 < rxr> it is quite the whole day - only from 23.00 to 1.xx he listen to speaking voices (I guess news) 22:51 < rxr> no idea what this day-smoking person does ... 22:53 < rxr> and when the pre recoded music is not sufficient to show him is tv is too loud I can schedule bass practice around mid-night 22:53 < daja77> i could test yoper for that too *puke* 22:53 < rxr> my fender amp has enough power to get his bed in vibrations ... 22:55 < netrunner> rxr: you play guitar? 22:55 * netrunner reading his screen backwards ... 22:56 < owl> O_o netrunner ? 22:56 < netrunner> uhu: OvO 22:57 < rxr> netrunner: yes - from time to time - but since I do too much ROCK Linux less then ever ... 22:57 < daja77> rxr: you could play at the dev meeting ... 22:57 * netrunner acks daja77 22:57 < owl> rxr: e-guitar? or a-guitar? 22:58 < daja77> netrunner: you'll come? 22:58 < netrunner> I respect people who do music, I tried several instruments but never had the right hand for them :) 22:58 < rxr> both 22:58 < netrunner> daja77: when? 22:58 < rxr> and e-bass in the last years 22:58 < daja77> 22:17 < daja77> owl: https://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040713.202828.64f4ff2d.html 22:58 < daja77> ... 22:58 < rxr> acustic guitar in the beginning - 16 years ago or so ... 22:58 < netrunner> oh, is it written in this stupid webdav thing? 22:58 < daja77> that too 22:59 < rxr> netrunner: this stupid webdav thing is an ordinary subversion repository ... 22:59 < daja77> just use kwrite to edit it 22:59 < owl> cool! /me just plays a-guitar (yet - and when this fscking driver-licensen-crap is not getting through faster, i will get insane... :( 22:59 < rxr> use any webdav enabled client to mess in it ... 22:59 < rxr> or subversion itself ... 23:00 < netrunner> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.clifford.at': Connection refused 23:00 < daja77> hm try http instead of svn:// 23:02 * rxr returning to normal music volume - since I do not hear that TV anymore ... 23:03 < owl> hehehe. what are you playing? 23:04 < netrunner> wow, it worked :) 23:05 < rxr> ouhm - in my current XMMS (to be replaced with gplayer soon) has a random mix, from Alanis Morissette, over Pink, Dream Theather, Jazz, ... 23:06 < rxr> netrunner: why "wow" - this is a normal subversion on cliffods end 23:06 < rxr> netrunner: with auto-indexing enabled and open for write for all to allow "comitts" from ordinary WebDAV clients ... 23:07 < netrunner> rxr: he calls it wiki. this is not a wiki imho. 23:07 < rxr> depends on the definition 23:07 < rxr> if wiki == "some stuff people can write into" then it is ... 23:07 < netrunner> rxr: the basis of wikis are wikiwords. 23:07 < rxr> maybe he just wanted to test out auto-versioning in the wild *g* 23:08 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:09 < netrunner> uh, oh, do I hear a public rock-svn driving by in the dark? ;) 23:09 < owl> rxr: i c. hmm. you know "but alive"? ;) 23:10 < rxr> hey - if I enable auto indexing on my svn servers, I could use the Microsoft Explorer to fix ROCK bugs from random places ,) 23:11 * rxr just joking ... 23:11 < rxr> owl: currently no bell is ringing for "but alive" ... :-( 23:11 < netrunner> what is this auto indexing? 23:12 < rxr> a veature to create new revisions and diffing on the server side - to allow normal WebDAV "writes" 23:12 < rxr> see the SVN handbook for details 23:12 < owl> rxr: hmm. it's very cynic punk-rock... or something similar... 23:12 < netrunner> ah 23:12 < rxr> feature even 23:12 * daja77 np: bob dylan - knockin' on heavens door 23:12 < netrunner> hm, I like this fwbuilder thing. only problem is that it cannot be used from remote. 23:19 < th> hmm. tmda starts loading the system... cliff is applying... 23:20 < th> any ACPI experience in here? 23:20 * netrunner just did a fresh checkout ... 23:21 < netrunner> th: only that I get the events ... and use cpufreqd 23:21 < rxr> th: only years ago - until I got rid of all uneccessary x86 crap ... 23:21 < daja77> if the apple stuff would get worse ... 23:21 < th> ok. i have a laptop here... and acpi active. receiving events. 23:22 < rxr> netrunner: although I'm listed as author in cpufreqd, I now use a < 100 line C++ prog that scales fully dynamically 23:22 < rxr> cpu idle time based ,) 23:22 < th> i want the LID button NOT handled by ACPI 23:22 < netrunner> rxr: I only have full or half as option :) 23:22 < th> but i want the power button handled by ACPI 23:22 < netrunner> th: bios setting 23:23 < rxr> netrunner: you mean your hardware can only do half and full? 23:23 < th> cpufreqd does not work with this 2.4.26 kernel here.. 23:23 < netrunner> rxr: as far as I can see, yes. maybe it's the speedstep stuff in kernel or so. but it only accepts 600000 or 1200000 23:23 < th> it tries to access /proc/cpufreq which does noit exist 23:24 < netrunner> oups 23:24 < netrunner> ok, that's my bad I guess :( 23:25 < netrunner> no. 23:25 < netrunner> I recently patched something where I was not sure afterwards if it was really devfs related. but cannot remember what it was :/ 23:25 < th> netrunner: and i can't set this in BIOS 23:26 < rxr> th - you need to enable the /proc/cpufreq in the 2.4 kernel iirc 23:26 < th> netrunner: is there no way to let ACPI do the same with LID that would happen without ACPI? 23:26 < th> rxr: what config option should that be? 23:26 < rxr> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_24_API or so ... 23:27 < th> rxr: vanilla kernel? 23:27 < netrunner> th: there is a config for acpi where you can define actions for acpi events. 23:27 < rxr> hm - no vanilla 2.4 has no cpufreq I thnk 23:27 < th> netrunner: i know that. i trigger a shutdown for the power button 23:27 < th> netrunner: but i see no way to shutdown the LCD like without ACPI (x and console) 23:28 < netrunner> th: can't you just turn it in an only-external mode? 23:28 < th> netrunner: only external mode? 23:29 < th> rxr: and it does not seem to be in linux24-patches 23:29 < th> rxr: so i suppose a rock linux-24-kernel does not have cpufreq either? 23:30 < netrunner> btw, I wrote a bit on https://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/articles/rockonx40.pdf a while ago. 23:30 < netrunner> I wonder if something is missing or if this would fit as rolling-rock. 23:32 < th> netrunner: what do you mean by "an only-external mode"? 23:32 < daja77> why not 23:33 < netrunner> th: most laptops I've seen could switch between lcd, lcd+crt, crt modes. the latter would disable the lcd. 23:34 < th> netrunner: i really want the display to shut of when i close the display (press the LID) 23:34 < netrunner> well, mine does so out of the box. without configuring anything 23:35 < netrunner> (besides switching of standby-on-lidclose in bios) 23:35 < th> netrunner: i could get the LID event and do some "xset dpms" magic. and it would work. but it would not work in console 23:35 < th> netrunner: even with acpi kernel? 23:35 < netrunner> th: jup 23:35 < netrunner> well, it's some sort of light-in-the-fridge problem, but I am pretty sure :) 23:35 < th> netrunner: so badluck for that dell M60... 23:36 < th> netrunner: ;) well i can press the LID without closing the book 23:37 < netrunner> th: all laptops I had in my hand did this automatically, allthough I heared of some that had this 'bug' 23:37 < daja77> n8 23:37 < netrunner> n8 daja77 23:37 * netrunner takes the occasion and also leaves :) n8 * 23:58 -!- link_ [~sascha@adsl.xan.ch] has quit ["leaving"] --- Log closed Fri Jul 16 00:00:58 2004