--- Log opened Thu Jul 15 00:00:41 2004
00:08 < jsaw> rxr: reading the svn release page, the symbolic link thing sounds rather strange... ("this is not about [...] links inside a repository [...]")
00:16 < rxr> yes - sounds odd
00:16 < rxr> generally supported but not if the symlink points to s.th. in the svn repository
00:16 < rxr> really strange
00:17 < rxr> maybe some thinko in the text - I can not imagine why a symlink with a target outside the repostitory should be handled differently ...
00:18 < jsaw> lemma guess, for not to make wincrap user upset?
00:18 < rxr> hm
00:21 < SMP> why would you want to have symlinks pointing around in your repo
00:21 < SMP> that's ugly
00:23 < rxr> even in rock linux we had such stuff
00:23 < SMP> I know. it was ugly
00:24 < rxr> sure - but there can be use cases where it is handy ...
00:24 < rxr> sure - normally not needed - but what makes in-repository symlink different from ones pointing somewhere else ..
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01:00 < [ARC]Rande> *wave*
01:00 < jsaw> hi there
01:01 < [ARC]Rande> hate to start off with asking a question, but someone here managed to solve it before...
01:02 < jsaw> ready steady go
01:02 < [ARC]Rande> I'm compiling xfree from source with uclibc, but it's getting confused with using libm or mymath.h
01:03 < jsaw> hmmm, who was this. mnemoc?
01:03 < [ARC]Rande> blindcoder
01:03 < mnemoc> uhm?
01:03 < [ARC]Rande> http://www.rocklinux.net/irclog/rocklinux-2004-01-25
01:03 < mnemoc> uclibc package is unfinished work
01:04 < mnemoc> (afaik)
01:04 < jsaw> ah blindy...
01:04 < [ARC]Rande> ok.  just wondered if anyone knew off the top of their heads how to force it to use one or the other.  I've tried moving mymath.h, but that didn't seem to help
01:06 < batok> hi guys
01:07 < jsaw> CFLAGS="$CFLAGS -nostdinc -Ipath-to-uclibc -I`gcc --print-file-name=include` -I/usr/include" 
01:08 < batok> I am trying to Build the livecd target but the build.sh seems to require create_compressed_fs ... Where can I get this command or script or whatever it is... I did a google search but there's official site on this one...
01:10 < [ARC]Rande> compressed fs?  that like cramfs?
01:10 < fake> rxr: some e17 packages seem to have their build order b0rken
01:10 < fake> rxr: on re-BuildTarget they compile
01:10 < fake> batok: cloop
01:10 < fake> batok: cloop is broken ATM
01:11 < fake> batok: but, as stated in the livecd README, you need cloop on your system
01:11 < batok> ok
01:11 < fake> batok: because elsewise, there is no create_compressed_fs ;)
01:11 < jsaw> fake: running the re-ordering (flat sth.) during this re-ordering was not a good idea (TM)
01:11 < rxr> fake: some dep dance will fix it ...
01:11 < fake> jsaw: seems so
01:12 < fake> rxr: shall i post the list of affected pkgs?
01:13 < jsaw> parted is also a candidate
01:18  * jsaw doesn't want to update sm today and runs away
01:22  * rxr off into bed, too
01:22 < rxr> cu later
01:25 < mnemoc> cu
01:27 < rxr> hehe - nice mail mnemoc ,=
01:27  * rxr off now
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01:47 < mnemoc> MadTux!!
01:49 < mnemoc> dammit cl:1 cr:1 :(
01:49 < mnemoc> 25 minutes left
01:49 < fake> ?
01:49 < fake> soccer?
01:49 < mnemoc> yep
01:50 < mnemoc> we have been wining the whole match and those $badword scored :\
01:51 < fake> hehe
01:53  * fake live-updating his system... prays it'll work ;)
01:54  * mnemoc fears
01:58 < SMP> mnemoc: what kind of game? some championship, or qualifying?
01:58 < mnemoc> qualifying
01:59 < SMP> for which championship?
01:59 < mnemoc> copa america, to go to germany ;)
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07:37 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
07:37 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
07:37 [Users #rocklinux]
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08:11 < blindy> moin
08:34 < netrunner> moin, 2
08:34 < blindy> hi netti
08:35 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
08:35  * blindy trying on-the-fly encrypting filesystems
08:35 < blindy> hmm
08:35 < blindy> strange grammar
08:36  * blindy is trying to encrypt filesystems on the fly now
08:36 < blindy> much better
08:36 < dsoul> :>
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08:52 < blindy>   hmm
08:52 < blindy> it might work...
08:55 < blindy> but the machine I tried it on fscked up
08:55 < blindy> maybe because it's an USB device
09:12 < blindy> doh
09:12 < blindy> Note to self: when using encryption, make sure to apply the _correct_ patch to the kernel
09:14 < dsoul> :P
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09:53 < De_Elsasser> hilly, hullu!
09:54 < blindy> hi De_Elsasser 
09:55 < blindy> the one making strange sounds
09:55 < De_Elsasser> hallo blindy
09:58 < rxr_> moikn
09:59 < De_Elsasser> blindy: what's meen "svn: 'trunk' is already a working copy for a different URL"?
09:59 < De_Elsasser> after I do: " svn co http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/trunk"
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10:04 < blindy> De_Elsasser: that means that the directory trunk already exists
10:04 < blindy> moin valentin 
10:05 < De_Elsasser> yes it did and...
10:06 < blindy> De_Elsasser: well, svn refuses to overwrite int
10:06 < blindy> it
10:06 < blindy> what is it you want to do?
10:07 < De_Elsasser> I want to mantain my tree
10:07 < blindy> how?
10:07 < blindy> update it to current svn:HEAD?
10:07 < blindy> check out a new tree?
10:07 < blindy> move to a different server/mirror?
10:08 < De_Elsasser> I want to become the last modification
10:08 < blindy> ok
10:08 < blindy> then do:
10:08 < blindy> cd /path/to/trunk
10:08 < blindy> svn up
10:08 < De_Elsasser> ok
10:10 < De_Elsasser> yes of courses: 9 month whitout do that...
10:13 < De_Elsasser> you should add this to Source Tree->Getting in the web
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10:54 < blindy> moin rxr
10:56 < rxr> hi blindy 
10:56 < dsoul> hi rxr 
10:56 < rxr> how is your work and so?
10:56 < owl> hi 
10:57 < dsoul> hi owl 
10:58 < owl> hi dsoul 
10:58 < daja77> omg!
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10:59 < daja77> there is a new fastest linux distro approaching
10:59 < dsoul> owl mephisto looks very tasty ;>
10:59 < owl> dsoul: hehe. tasty??? he's fat!
10:59 < daja77> see http://www.yoper.com, look at their code and let them die in shame
11:00 < dsoul> owl so?:)
11:00 < dsoul> thats good :)
11:00 < De_Elsasser_> hallo daja77
11:00 < daja77> hi De_Elsasser_ 
11:00 < owl> dsoul: you like fat hamsters? buah.
11:00 < dsoul> :P
11:04 < rxr> dsoul: what have you found in the yoper source?
11:05 < rxr> daja77: even ...
11:05 < dsoul> :>
11:05 < daja77> rxr: a binary libstdc++ in cvs for example
11:06 < daja77> and other binaries
11:08 < rxr> and the sources are ugly and featureless, too ...
11:08 < daja77> yep
11:08 < daja77> 1.Yoper V2 (Prefinal) has proven itself to be the Fastest, and most nimble Linux OS in the World, requiring the least expense of time for installation, and boottime.It has also proven to have the smallest memory footprint of any Major Linux distribution.
11:09 < daja77> ...
11:09 < daja77> but this crap stuff gets hyped for bein the fastest
11:09 < daja77> guess what? they compile with -march=i686
11:10 < daja77> even gentoo has better code than they have
11:10 < daja77> but the hype works the same way
11:10 < blindy> nothing like good publicity
11:11 < daja77> but what for
11:11 < blindy> making money, obviously
11:11 < blindy> making money rarely has a relationship with common sense or facts, has it?
11:11 < ringo> daja77: That is one of the main objectives for many people ... 
11:12 < daja77> ringo: ?
11:12 < ringo> daja77: Making money .. 
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11:12 < daja77> I don't mind if people want to make money, i just don't get the point of this stupid distro
11:13 < daja77> if i want to use a recent tgz pased distro i could use slackware
11:13 < dsoul> daja77 point is not to use it :P
11:13 < daja77> dsoul: hehe, true that
11:13 < ringo> ok .. r0ck r0cks  :)
11:14 < dsoul> :>
11:14 < De_Elsasser_> why RockLinux haven't good publicity?
11:14 < ringo> I have some usb at the monent wanna have rock on it :) 128 Mb must be possible ... 
11:14 < daja77> De_Elsasser_: because we are not l33t enough to be the fastest
11:15 < blindy> daja77: point is for yoper to make money
11:15 < De_Elsasser_> l33t?
11:15 < daja77> leet
11:17  * De_Elsasser_ must find a dictionary...
11:17 < blindy> bbl
11:17 < daja77> De_Elsasser_: http://dict.tu-chemnitz,de
11:18 < De_Elsasser_> thank
11:18 < De_Elsasser_> please why a dot
11:19 < daja77> erhm yes
11:22 < ringo> noble is a much nicer word then l33t ... 
11:22 < togg> hi all
11:22 < De_Elsasser_> when I try leet, I have some blabla but not a very translation
11:22 < togg> anyone has a modified rocknet script which works with SH only? (not bash)
11:23 < daja77> i should grab that iso and try that out
11:23 < dsoul> hi togg 
11:23 < ringo> hi togg 
11:23 < togg> moin :)
11:23 < ringo> ringo is feeling depressed 
11:24 < togg> ringo: why that
11:25 < De_Elsasser_> hilli, halli, al
11:25 < daja77> hm 4 users in #yoper
11:25 < daja77> not in this network
11:26 < De_Elsasser_> :))
11:26 < daja77> this is quite strange regarding the fact that their mirrors are overloaded
11:26 < togg> i have no bash on my system, but want to use the rocknet script
11:27 < togg> anyone has a modification that works with sh ?
11:28 < netrunner> togg: install bash. the features used in rocknet are not sh compatible.
11:31 < togg> netrunner: bash is 400 k big, i only have 6 mb space on my system
11:31 < togg> i think then i will use the ifup/down from busybox
11:32 < togg> the substitutions ${active_interfaces//${1},/} e.g. are not supported, but they can converted to work with sh
11:35 < ringo> pff : dunno dot want to do a psycho analysis of myself at the moment .. 
11:36 < togg> ringo: girlfriend probs? 
11:37 < ringo> nope ... no gf never had one I have a comp ... 
11:41 < togg> i also have several comps
11:52 < ringo> so time::computers && time::gf = NULL
11:52 < daja77> O_o
11:54 < ringo> I have to make somnething up to hide my social disfunction.
11:56 < daja77> ic
11:58 < daja77> rxr: btw we should ship the rocklinux wallpapers and set one as default
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12:39 < blindy> re
13:00 < ringo> re
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14:17 < netrunner> fake: ping
14:18 < dsoul> netrunner try ddos ;> more 1337 :P
14:29 < rolla> re
14:39 < rolla> anyone around?
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16:05 < daja77> sigh
16:05 < daja77> anyone tried 2.0.2 isos on x86?
16:16 < blindy> no
16:16 < blindy> why?
16:18 < daja77> because it is horribly broken
16:20 < fake> well, that's all just because of submaster, i bet *g*
16:21 < daja77> no i guess it is because it runs well on ppc ...
16:22 < daja77> and I am speaking of stable 2.0, it seems to have more bugs than my 3 weeks old 2.1 build
16:24 < blindy> daja77: well, then compare it with an actual 2.1 build :D
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16:27 < mnemoc> moin!
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16:39 < daja77> blindy: oh no, better not
16:40 < blindy> hehe
16:40 < blindy> guess I'll go home now
16:40 < blindy> bye
16:40 < daja77> the first time that rockplug failed
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16:52 < MadTux> good days!
16:52 < MadTux> hello mnemoc 
16:52  * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS!
16:52 < mnemoc> maldito costarricense
16:52 < th> hi
16:52 < MadTux> Costa Rica _2_ - Chile _1_
16:52  * mnemoc kicks MadTux 
16:53 < mnemoc> hi th
16:53  * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS!
16:53 < fake> *lol*
16:53  * th hates kde-font-issues
16:53 < th> fully fsck'ed up
16:53 < MadTux> oh what a great ay :)
16:53 < MadTux> day*
16:54 < mnemoc> th: move to xfce4 ;)
16:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: what;s wrong? did cat eat ur tongue?
16:54 < mnemoc> MadTux: no, it's just a cold day
16:54 < th> mnemoc: does that fix {qt,kde}'s font issues?
16:54 < daja77> guess cr got the chile team drunk to win
16:54 < MadTux> mnemoc: but don't worry the "game" with chile was a nice practice for the Glorious, Powerfull and Amazing CR team :)
16:54 < mnemoc> th: droping kde solve any kde issue ;)
16:55 < mnemoc> MadTux: aaaargh!
16:55 < MadTux> mnemoc:really it was fun :)
16:55 < th> mnemoc: ahh xfce4. i read it as x.org
16:55  * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS!
16:55  * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS!
16:55  * MadTux OLEEE OLEEE OLEEEE OLEEEEEE!!!! TICOOOOSSS!!! TICOOOOSSS!
16:55 < MadTux> :)
16:55 < mnemoc> :\
16:55 < daja77> stop spamming 
16:55  * netrunner *ignorance increased*
16:55 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
16:55 < MadTux> daja77: let me enjoy the moment
16:55 < th> mnemoc: perhaps i could use it's login-manager
16:55 < mnemoc> i notice that
16:55 < mnemoc> hi netrunner 
16:56 < MadTux> netrunner: are u ignoring me? :(
16:56 < mnemoc> ignorance != to ignore
16:57 < daja77> MadTux: so you'll be in .de in 2006?
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16:57 < netrunner> MadTux: /ignore *OLEEE* 
16:57 < netrunner> :)
16:57 < MadTux> daja77: dunno.. i'm not really a fan of soccer.. but i LOVE teasing soccer freaks :)
16:57 < mnemoc> .cr _can_ be one of the two 'best thirds'
16:58 < mnemoc> i'm not a soccer freak, it's nationalism ;)
16:58 < daja77> MadTux: soccer freaks in this chan?
16:58 < MadTux> honestly.. current cr team SUCKS
16:58 < mnemoc> .cr v/s .cl
16:58 < MadTux> daja77: look at mnemoc 
16:58  * daja77 moves a bit away from mnemoc 
16:58 < mnemoc> MadTux: our' suck worse then
16:59 < daja77> .oO (all suckers)
16:59  * daja77 hides
16:59 < mnemoc> :p
16:59 < MadTux> daja77: full ack
16:59 < mnemoc> telling the true is not a reason to hide
16:59 < daja77> mnemoc: depends who does not like the truth
17:01 < mnemoc> :)
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17:20 < daja77> hm now that i played some tricks it runs quite nice
17:20 < daja77> kde 3.2.3 is fast
17:21 < th> daja77: how about the fonts?
17:21 < daja77> well i had to choose a font manually for konsole
17:21 < th> daja77: this does not only affect konsole
17:22 < daja77> and konsole identifies as nxterm which is crap
17:22 < daja77> konqueror has readable fonts
17:22 < th> daja77: kdm is affected too. so i'm seeking for a more global solution
17:22 < daja77> kdm hm
17:22 < daja77> i could just figure that out
17:23 < th> that would be of great help
17:23 < daja77> so brb
17:23 < th> seems to be fontconfig/Xft/qt/etc related
17:26 < daja77> hm you mean that ugly old fashioned looking font?
17:26 < th> daja77: ack
17:26 < th> daja77: s/old fashioned/old german letters/
17:26 < mnemoc> :p
17:27 < daja77> yep
17:30 < daja77> where is that kdm config tool
17:31 < th> daja77: try to run it from control center
17:31 < th> daja77: at administration
17:31 < th> daja77: login manager
17:32 < daja77> cool you can register a vim komponent for kde
17:32 < daja77> at?
17:32 < th> daja77: "System Administration">"Login Manager"
17:33 < th> daja77: this generates a new kdmrc
17:33 < daja77> ah found it, have a german controlcenter
17:33 < th> daja77: and it specifies a font there
17:33 < daja77> there you can set a font hm
17:33 < daja77> it is set to charter 24
17:33 < th> daja77: but the font-info in kdmrc does not seem to be honored
17:33 < th> daja77: yes i did that
17:33 < th> daja77: i applied and rerun kdm
17:34 < th> daja77: with no effect
17:34 < daja77> d'oh
17:39 < th> daja77: i'd like to see another affected app that is not that complex
17:40 < daja77> hm changing kdm font worked
17:40 < th> chaged to what?
17:40 < th> changed
17:40 < daja77> but it changed language to italian and failed to set background image >_<
17:41 < daja77> brushstroke
17:42 < th> daja77: you are right! burhstroke works!
17:42 < th> daja77: so what differs from charter to brushstroke?
17:42 < daja77> dunno
17:42 < daja77> perhaps the font type
17:43 < th> daja77: the interesting thing is, that the font "works" in preview in control center
17:43 < daja77> hm
17:44 < daja77> k. guess the background image is at the wrong location
17:45 < th> daja77: any idea how to resolve "brushtroke" to a font file name?
17:46 < daja77> ugh
17:54 < th> daja77: i dunno how to trace that :-/
17:55 < th> that's "Krap"
17:55 < daja77> hehe
17:58 < daja77> but rock 2.0.2 is quite a speed improvement over rh8 on that box
18:00 < rxr> rehi
18:00 < th> hi rxr
18:05 < th> rxr: i spent some hours with kde-font-crap but got no clue
18:06 < th> rxr: the font for kdm works in the preview and is bad in kdm itself.
18:07 < th> rxr: the font for Konsole is bad in the font-chooser too
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18:19 < rxr> th: hm :-(
18:21 < th> rxr: we could change both fonds. but that wouldnt be a solution
19:15 < fake> *many* packages with stages > 2 are missing the use of $root...
19:15 < luckz> msg L recover #sven-logs
19:15 < luckz> sry
19:16 < mnemoc> :)
19:16 < mnemoc> fake: \$${foo}dir vars include it
19:17 < fake> mnemoc: but not stuff like var_append confopt "--prefix=/usr"
19:17 < mnemoc> :p
19:17 < fake> <- getting food
19:17 < mnemoc> how *many* packages do that?
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20:36 < dzafez_> hi 
20:37 < dzafez_> I have some Problems building the boot target
20:38 < dzafez_> at first the build crashed because of  Problems with dietlibc
20:38 < dzafez_> ./scripts/Config wouldn't let me disable dietlibc so I had to do this within the Config file directly
20:39 < dzafez_> not too much of a deal
20:39 < dzafez_> then doing the build it gives a error in beginning of stage 2 at the binutils
20:40 < rxr> erhm - you strictly need dietlibc for the current install/boot target ...
20:40 < dzafez_> ups
20:40 < dzafez_> ok
20:41 < dzafez_> Ill retry
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20:47 < dzafez_> ok I'll now build bootdisk with default settings - except I'll TMPFS and let him stop when a package doesn't work 
20:48 < dzafez_> How long should that take?
20:48 < rxr> depends on your box - my 270Mhz Ultra SPARC needs some days ...
20:49 < dzafez_> hm P4 HT 2.6 GHz with 512MB FSB800 RAM and SATA
20:50 < dzafez_> I basiclly build this mashine to toy with rock
20:50 < rxr> duno - less than a day - maybe 10 hours or so ...
20:50 < dzafez_> for bootdisk?
20:50 < dzafez_> wow
20:50 < rxr> dzafez_: do you use 2.0-stable or trunk ?
20:51 < rxr> dzafez_: for the bootdisk a wohle compiler, glibc, two linux kernsl, ... are build ...
20:51 < dzafez_> I use 2.0.1 your desktop build as system and the sources are 2.0.2
20:51 < rxr> ah - good - better stick to 2.0-stable - trunk is in fast flux ...
20:53 < dzafez_> Ok for a Idea I needed 2 Hours for stage 0 and stage 1 together
20:55 < th> hmm /etc/cron.daily/81-scrollkeeper gives ugly errors in cron.run
20:59 < dzafez_> why exactly are both kernel build for bootdisk? wouldn't it be enough to build the one selected in the Config?
21:00 < dzafez_> I bed you allready had that discussion
21:00 < rxr> the user might like to change the other (although I wonder if all architecture bootdisk use both ...)
21:00 < rxr> x86 does not IIRC ... :-(
21:01 < dzafez_> IIRC????
21:02 < dzafez_> what's that?
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21:05 < MadTux> re.
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21:15 < dzafez_> rxr ?
21:17 < dzafez_> sorry, but I don't understand : IIRC  - please explain
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21:17 < daja77> iirc = if i recall correctly
21:18 < dzafez> ok thank you daja77 
21:18 < dzafez> daja77, you said 2.0.2 is terribly broken
21:18 < daja77> well I spoke of my isos
21:18 < dzafez> could that exlain why my bootdisk target isn't building
21:18 < dzafez> ?
21:19 < daja77> no
21:19 < daja77> bootdisk target built fine here
21:19 < dzafez> ok  I'll keep a Eye on it
21:20 < dzafez> what iso have you build? drock x86?
21:20 < dzafez> or minimal?
21:20 < daja77> generic
21:20 < dzafez> for what CPU?
21:21 < daja77> pentium-mmx
21:21 < dzafez> what CPU are you using?
21:22 < daja77> athlon, athlon xp, pentium4
21:23 < dzafez> so why would you wanna build pentium-mmx? Why don't you build  one for each?
21:24 < daja77> cos I don't have to waste my time, and don't want to carry 3 cd sets
21:24 < daja77> it is fast anyway
21:24 < dzafez> ok
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21:33 < dzafez> kill me for my stupid questions ... how does a "Package selection rule" have to look like?
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21:34 < daja77> X packagename, for selecting a packge
21:35 < daja77> O packagename, for deselecting a package
21:35 < dzafez> ok that would be in the package file
21:36 < dzafez> but in the ./scripts/config ??
21:36 < dzafez> or is that not possible jet?
21:36 < daja77> as i said ...
21:38 < dzafez> oh sorry didn't get it the first time
21:38 < dzafez> sorry for that .. /me feels so stupid
21:39 < daja77> no need to worry
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21:47 < De_Elsasser_> so man, I go...
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21:57 < owl> hi. someone knows which keyboard-model a DEC 3000-M300LX needs?
21:58 < daja77> google?
21:59 < owl> daja77: *kick* 
21:59 < netrunner> daja77: oh I hate this guy, he's always trying to sell me stuff or point me to ebay ;)
22:00 < daja77> hehe
22:00 < daja77> owl: will you be at the dev meeting`?
22:01 < owl> daja77: devmeeting? where? when?
22:13 < th> /etc/inittab: X:5:respawn:/usr/X11/bin/startxdm
22:13 < th> that's quite bad
22:13 < th> cause startxdm returns after starting the xd
22:13 < th> m
22:13 < th> and it respawns at once
22:13 < rxr> yesno
22:13 < dzafez> does anyone care for a IPC sparcstation?
22:13 < th> until it gets disabled for 5 minutes
22:13 < dzafez> old one
22:13 < rxr> there was a but in earlier releeases -but it should be fixed in head
22:14 < th> (because of respawning too fast)
22:14 < rxr> by not daemonizing the dm's ..
22:14 < th> there was a "but"?
22:14 < rxr> bug
22:14 < th> ah
22:14 < dzafez> Model # 47
22:15 < th> how to daemonize xdm?
22:15 < rxr> me eating a yoghourt
22:15 < dzafez> I'll give it away for free to good hands
22:15 < rxr> you need not to daemonize it
22:15 < th> i mean: how to keep it in foreground
22:15 < rxr> I have an IPX mainboard - but the NVRAM battery is empty :-(
22:15 < dzafez> only condition - it shall runt ROCKLinux (just kidding, do what ya want)
22:15 < rxr> -nodeamon or so
22:16 < th> rxr: uhh. it's not in --help - but seems to work
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22:17 < daja77> owl: http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040713.202828.64f4ff2d.html
22:17 < th> rxr: it's fixed in trunk's head already
22:18 < dzafez> gn8
22:19 < rxr> n8 dzafez 
22:19 < th> rxr: shall i rediff for 2.0-stable, or can you change it directly?
22:19 < rxr> I can merge it - if it is not yet merged ...
22:19 < th> rxr: seems to be more than one patch in trunk
22:19 < th> rxr: it isn't
22:19 < rxr> ok - I take a look after my yoghourt ...
22:19 < th> rxr: thanks. last patch in trunk was r3214
22:22 < owl> daja77: hm. yeah. true and /me would be interested (not the whole time staying there, but being there sometimes or so)
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22:39 < rxr> dzafez: if you really wanna give it away, I always take sparc hardware ,)
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22:43 < rxr> th: xdm stuff merged
22:43 < th> rxr: thanks
22:44 < th> rxr: finally i have a clue about that font "Krap"
22:44 < th> rxr: it seems that kdm_greet is unable to scale a font
22:44 < rxr> oh - cool - elaborate
22:45 < daja77> yeah tell more
22:45 < th> rxr: and the default font can only be reached by scaling
22:45 < th> it was "Charter,24" or so
22:46 < rxr> but this seems to be a special issue with bitmap fonts
22:46 < th> i just got a clue - not the whole solution
22:46 < th> but i fixed it by adapting kdmrc
22:46 < rxr> the default font for the konsole is also a bitmap one
22:46 < th> [X-*-Greeter] needs a "GreetFont=Helvetica,17,-1,5,50,0,0,0,0,0"
22:46 < rxr> it is the kde default - it must work in SuSE ... ,-)
22:46 < daja77> rxr: it is broken
22:47 < rxr> in e.g. SuSE, too ?!?!?!?!
22:47 < rxr> they pay for it - and users pay for SuSE
22:47 < daja77> when you tell konsole to use a greater font, it becomes unreadable crap
22:47 < rxr> you tell me they even have a broken kdm default font? 
22:47 < daja77> rxr: dunno I can test suse for you if you like
22:48 < th> as the konsole fix. this is only a workaround too.
22:48 < rxr> hm - if we get no clue soon, comparing qith another dist is an option
22:48 < rxr> my shit f*cking neighbor alsoway listens to news very loud in around midnight ....
22:49 < rxr> never saw him/her/them so far - I guess some old people smoking the whole day
22:49 < daja77> rxr: i could test suse personal edition in qemu, and have a look, tomorrow
22:49 < rxr> at least that is the smell on the floor
22:49 < rxr> but today he has no luck getting on my nerves why I try to get sleep
22:49 < th> daja77: i think that could help. but it'll still be hard to trace i suppose
22:49 < daja77> we'll see
22:49 < th> i suspect suse uses a kdmrc dictating the font
22:50 < rxr> tomorrow I do not need to get up early - so he can listen to my music with loud bases ,)
22:50 < daja77> hehe
22:50 < rxr> it is quite the whole day - only from 23.00 to 1.xx he listen to speaking voices (I guess news)
22:51 < rxr> no idea what this day-smoking person does ...
22:53 < rxr> and when the pre recoded music is not sufficient to show him is tv is too loud I can schedule bass practice around mid-night
22:53 < daja77> i could test yoper for that too *puke*
22:53 < rxr> my fender amp has enough power to get his bed in vibrations ...
22:55 < netrunner> rxr: you play guitar?
22:55  * netrunner reading his screen backwards ...
22:56 < owl> O_o netrunner ? 
22:56 < netrunner> uhu: OvO
22:57 < rxr> netrunner: yes - from time to time - but since I do too much ROCK Linux less then ever ...
22:57 < daja77> rxr: you could play at the dev meeting ...
22:57  * netrunner acks daja77 
22:57 < owl> rxr: e-guitar? or a-guitar?
22:58 < daja77> netrunner: you'll come?
22:58 < netrunner> I respect people who do music, I tried several instruments but never had the right hand for them :)
22:58 < rxr> both
22:58 < netrunner> daja77: when?
22:58 < rxr> and e-bass in the last years
22:58 < daja77> 22:17 < daja77> owl: http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20040713.202828.64f4ff2d.html
22:58 < daja77> ...
22:58 < rxr> acustic guitar in the beginning - 16 years ago or so ...
22:58 < netrunner> oh, is it written in this stupid webdav thing?
22:58 < daja77> that too
22:59 < rxr> netrunner: this stupid webdav thing is an ordinary subversion repository ...
22:59 < daja77> just use kwrite to edit it
22:59 < owl> cool! /me just plays a-guitar (yet - and when this fscking driver-licensen-crap is not getting through faster, i will get insane... :(
22:59 < rxr> use any webdav enabled client to mess in it ...
22:59 < rxr> or subversion itself ...
23:00 < netrunner> svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.clifford.at': Connection refused
23:00 < daja77> hm try http instead of svn://
23:02  * rxr returning to normal music volume - since I do not hear that TV anymore ...
23:03 < owl> hehehe. what are you playing?
23:04 < netrunner> wow, it worked :)
23:05 < rxr> ouhm - in my current XMMS (to be replaced with gplayer soon) has a random mix, from Alanis Morissette, over Pink, Dream Theather, Jazz, ...
23:06 < rxr> netrunner: why "wow" - this is a normal subversion on cliffods end
23:06 < rxr> netrunner: with auto-indexing enabled and open for write for all to allow "comitts" from ordinary WebDAV clients ...
23:07 < netrunner> rxr: he calls it wiki. this is not a wiki imho. 
23:07 < rxr> depends on the definition
23:07 < rxr> if wiki == "some stuff people can write into" then it is ...
23:07 < netrunner> rxr: the basis of wikis are wikiwords. 
23:07 < rxr> maybe he just wanted to test out auto-versioning in the wild *g*
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23:09 < netrunner> uh, oh, do I hear a public rock-svn driving by in the dark? ;)
23:09 < owl> rxr: i c. hmm. you know "but alive"? ;)
23:10 < rxr> hey - if I enable auto indexing on my svn servers, I could use the Microsoft Explorer to fix ROCK bugs from random places ,)
23:11  * rxr just joking ...
23:11 < rxr> owl: currently no bell is ringing for "but alive" ... :-(
23:11 < netrunner> what is this auto indexing?
23:12 < rxr> a veature to create new revisions and diffing on the server side - to allow normal WebDAV "writes"
23:12 < rxr> see the SVN handbook for details
23:12 < owl> rxr: hmm. it's very cynic punk-rock... or something similar... 
23:12 < netrunner> ah
23:12 < rxr> feature even
23:12  * daja77 np: bob dylan - knockin' on heavens door
23:12 < netrunner> hm, I like this fwbuilder thing. only problem is that it cannot be used from remote.
23:19 < th> hmm. tmda starts loading the system... cliff is applying...
23:20 < th> any ACPI experience in here?
23:20  * netrunner just did a fresh checkout ...
23:21 < netrunner> th: only that I get the events ... and use cpufreqd
23:21 < rxr> th: only years ago - until I got rid of all uneccessary x86 crap ...
23:21 < daja77> if the apple stuff would get worse ...
23:21 < th> ok. i have a laptop here... and acpi active. receiving events.
23:22 < rxr> netrunner: although I'm listed as author in cpufreqd, I now use a < 100 line C++ prog that scales fully dynamically
23:22 < rxr> cpu idle time based ,)
23:22 < th> i want the LID button NOT handled by ACPI
23:22 < netrunner> rxr: I only have full or half as option :)
23:22 < th> but i want the power button handled by ACPI
23:22 < netrunner> th: bios setting
23:23 < rxr> netrunner: you mean your hardware can only do half and full?
23:23 < th> cpufreqd does not work with this 2.4.26 kernel here..
23:23 < netrunner> rxr: as far as I can see, yes. maybe it's the speedstep stuff in kernel or so. but it only accepts 600000 or 1200000
23:23 < th> it tries to access /proc/cpufreq which does noit exist
23:24 < netrunner> oups
23:24 < netrunner> ok, that's my bad I guess :(
23:25 < netrunner> no.
23:25 < netrunner> I recently patched something where I was not sure afterwards if it was really devfs related. but cannot remember what it was :/
23:25 < th> netrunner: and i can't set this in BIOS
23:26 < rxr> th - you need to enable the /proc/cpufreq in the 2.4 kernel iirc
23:26 < th> netrunner: is there no way to let ACPI do the same with LID that would happen without ACPI?
23:26 < th> rxr: what config option should that be?
23:26 < rxr> CONFIG_CPU_FREQ_24_API or so ...
23:27 < th> rxr: vanilla kernel?
23:27 < netrunner> th: there is a config for acpi where you can define actions for acpi events.
23:27 < rxr> hm - no vanilla 2.4 has no cpufreq I thnk
23:27 < th> netrunner: i know that. i trigger a shutdown for the power button
23:27 < th> netrunner: but i see no way to shutdown the LCD like without ACPI (x and console)
23:28 < netrunner> th: can't you just turn it in an only-external mode?
23:28 < th> netrunner: only external mode?
23:29 < th> rxr: and it does not seem to be in linux24-patches
23:29 < th> rxr: so i suppose a rock linux-24-kernel does not have cpufreq either?
23:30 < netrunner> btw, I wrote a bit on http://waterworld.dyndns.org/~andreas/rocklinux/articles/rockonx40.pdf a while ago.
23:30 < netrunner> I wonder if something is missing or if this would fit as rolling-rock.
23:32 < th> netrunner: what do you mean by "an only-external mode"?
23:32 < daja77> why not
23:33 < netrunner> th: most laptops I've seen could switch between lcd, lcd+crt, crt modes. the latter would disable the lcd.
23:34 < th> netrunner: i really want the display to shut of when i close the display (press the LID)
23:34 < netrunner> well, mine does so out of the box. without configuring anything 
23:35 < netrunner> (besides switching of standby-on-lidclose in bios)
23:35 < th> netrunner: i could get the LID event and do some "xset dpms" magic. and it would work. but it would not work in console
23:35 < th> netrunner: even with acpi kernel?
23:35 < netrunner> th: jup
23:35 < netrunner> well, it's some sort of light-in-the-fridge problem, but I am pretty sure :)
23:35 < th> netrunner: so badluck for that dell M60...
23:36 < th> netrunner: ;) well i can press the LID without closing the book
23:37 < netrunner> th: all laptops I had in my hand did this automatically, allthough I heared of some that had this 'bug'
23:37 < daja77> n8
23:37 < netrunner> n8 daja77 
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