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08:49 < blindy> moin
08:49 < dsoul> hi blindy 
09:29  * daja77 slaps teh bingo e.v.
09:30  * netrunner slaps daja77 
09:31 < daja77> hi netrunner 
09:31 < daja77> hey I am not flooding the chan
09:31 < netrunner> moin all :)
09:31 < dsoul> hi daja77 :)
09:31 < netrunner> daja77: I consider you guilty that I have exams next week and yet not learned a line :)
09:31 < dsoul> hi netrunner :)
09:31 < daja77> netrunner: me?
09:33 < netrunner> daja77: anybody has to be :)
09:34 < daja77> learn you lazy ass!!!111
09:43  * netrunner fetching http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,308712,00.html
09:57 < netrunner> *lol*
09:57 < netrunner> my gf once vandalised wikipedia because the thought the 'edit' only happens on her pc, and the threw stuff out she didn't want to print :)
09:58 < netrunner> just explained the idea of wikis to her :)
10:00 < dsoul> :P
10:09 < daja77> hehe
10:24 < blindy> that's what my first impression of wikis was
10:24 < blindy> "Who in their right state of mind would allow _everyone_ (literally) to edit his website?"
10:25 < dsoul> :>
10:42  * netrunner found a nice cv-template for latex
10:42 < netrunner> almost looks like the one I have in openoffice
10:43 < owl> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrts
10:43 < owl> moin
10:43 < netrunner> uhu: moin
10:44 < owl> hi netti
10:44 < dsoul> hi owl 
10:44 < owl> hi dsoul 
10:57 < rxr> moin
10:57 < owl> hi rxr 
10:58 < owl> fake: awake?
10:58 < netrunner> owl: muahahah
10:59 < owl> ok, ok... :p
11:02 < blindy> moin owl, rxr
11:02 < owl> hi blindy 
11:09 < fake> owl: yes, now i am
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11:11 < owl_> re
11:11 < fake> owl_: hi
11:12 < owl_> fake, hi. which exams? O_o
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11:12 < owl_> hi nookie
11:12 < owl_> waaaaah. xchat is horrible. *puke*
11:18 < fake> daja77: qemu is borken?
11:19 < fake> (July 10, 2004) QEMU version 0.6.0
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11:23 < fake> Qemu 0.6.0 changelog: "Initial PowerMac hardware emulation"
11:24 < fake> "vmdk2raw: convert VMware disk images to raw images"
11:24 < fake> sexy!
11:25 < Roman_> Hello, can some one give me a quick start guide on rocklinux, I am a little confused.  I want to create a rock linux system (for an embedded system), I downloaded rock-minimal-2.0.0-rev2366-pentium-mmx_cd1.iso (is this the right file?), what do I do with this?  do I make a cd and boot from it?  Is that how rock linux works?
11:27 < rxr> Roman_: doy ou know the official Handbook
11:27 < rxr> ?
11:27 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux-consulting.de/products/rock-handbook/
11:27 < rxr> most you current want to know is written down in it ...
11:28 < rxr> Roman_: e.g. that you normally download the 1.4MB source tarball and compile it from source and such ...
11:28 < Roman_> ok, hold on, I am just grabbing a copy of the book
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11:31 < Roman_> rxr: so what is the ISO I downloaded for?
11:36 < rxr> it is a precompiled ROCK Linux - with a minimal package set you can install
11:36 < rxr> it was compiled out of the ROCK Linux sources - using it's powerfull auto-build-syste - by someone else
11:37 < rxr> you can do the same applying your customization - by downloading a source tarball or checout the source via Suversion and then build what you need yourself ...
11:38 < Roman_> right, so with rocklinux, I can get the source tarball and then I get a set of tools that will let me build a distribution, that I can write to a device?   Is that correct?
11:38 < fake> qemu does not compile when -march/-mtun > i586
11:39  * blindy --> lunch
11:39 < rxr> Roman_: yes
11:39 < rxr> and please at least cross read the handbook to get the basic information how to do it ,)
11:40 < owl_> blindy, guten hunger
11:40 < rxr> where to get is is written down here:
11:40 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html
11:42 < Roman_> Thanks
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12:22 < blindy> back
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12:23 < owl_> wb blindy
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12:31  * netrunner giving current trunk a try
12:36 < fake> netrunner: how was your livecd experience?
12:37 < fake> netrunner: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD is not set explicitely and is not included in the ramdisk, so i guess you weren't satisfied ?
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13:06 < owl_> hi ringo!
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13:07 < ringo> moin 
13:10 < dsoul> hi ringo 
13:12 < ringo> hi dsoul :)
13:13  * ringo enjoying midiles :)
13:13  * ringo or maybe midi files ... 
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14:18 < eric> hallo halli
14:18 < daja77> hi de-elsasser ;)
14:19 < eric> I try all console software ;)
14:19 < daja77> have fun
14:19 < daja77> you use irssi now?
14:19 < eric> yep
14:19 < daja77> great
14:19 < daja77> the best irc client i know
14:20 < eric> it can windowed?
14:20  * fake dumping cloop
14:20 < fake> cloop sucks
14:20 < daja77> indeed
14:21 < eric> how?
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14:21 < daja77> eric: dunno, shoulde be documented at www.irssi.org
14:21 < De_Elsasser> no I come just
14:21 < daja77> fake: wasn't clifford about to write a replacement?
14:23 < fake> daja77: yes, shadowfs
14:23 < fake> daja77: but thats not a replacement for cloop
14:23 < fake> daja77: it's more like a union mount...
14:23 < fake> daja77: shadowfs will solve the write-only problems ;)
14:23 < daja77> :D
14:23  * blindy is nearly falling asleep
14:37 < netrunner> aaaah
14:37 < netrunner> Found shared files with other packages:
14:37 < netrunner> info/dir: binutils gcc34
14:38 < daja77> O_o
14:39  * netrunner going shopping
14:40 < rxr> read-only you meant ...
14:47 < fake> rxr: ... of course...
14:47 < fake> though write-only memory has it's advantages.
14:47 < fake> ;)
14:47 < blindy> /dev/wom -> /dev/null
14:49 < fake> ah, btw
14:49 < fake> i have a problem with /dev/null not being world-writable after tar-install
15:05 < fake> when adding a patchfile with a pkg_ file in a target
15:06 < fake> and i need to extract it from another package
15:06 < fake> where should i drop it?
15:06 < fake> $archdir seems to be created afterwards...
15:06 < fake> and $base/src is not cleaned up by scripts/Cleanup
15:13 < fake> got it.
15:13 < fake> hook_add prepatch 1 extractfunction
15:13 < fake> then archdir is in place. fine ;)
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15:18 < fake> squashfs looks nice.
15:26 < dzafez_> rxr?
15:26 < dzafez_> yes I'll give the Sparc to good hands for free
15:26 < dzafez_> Rather then trying to find the Monitor and the Keyboard that would cost me
15:27 < fake> what sparc? *g*
15:27 < dzafez_> but I'll not pay anyone to come and pick it up
15:27 < dzafez_> yes sparcstation 
15:27 < daja77> where from
15:27 < dzafez_> Mönchengladbach Germany
15:27 < fake> sparcstation what? 5? 10? 20 ?
15:28 < dzafez_> Modell ID 47 IPC Sparcstation
15:28 < fake> IPC ?!
15:28 < dzafez_> let me try to find  one on ebay
15:28 < fake> that's not even worth the shipping costs ;)
15:29 < dzafez_> but if you are around ...
15:29 < fake> it has the size of a shoe box, right?
15:29 < fake> approximately
15:29 < dzafez_> yes well kinda like it
15:29 < fake> yeah, the color-version of the IPX
15:30 < fake> iirc
15:33 < dzafez_> http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipc/ipc.jpg
15:34 < dzafez_> equivalent in raw CPU speed to a 486 at 50Mhz.
15:34 < dzafez_> equivalent in raw CPU speed to a 486 at 50Mhz.
15:34 < dzafez_> http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipc/old_index.html
15:37 < dzafez_> http://www.obsolyte.com/sun_ipc/                  while I read this, I start to want to use it again. But how in hell can I rmove the Floppy I inserted? Anyway, I don't have a Monitor...
15:37 < dzafez_> I have to go again c u later
15:37 < blindy> eject
15:38 < dzafez_> haha need a keyboard for this!
15:38 < blindy> works even at the OBP
15:38 < blindy> no
15:38 < dzafez_> ?
15:38 < blindy> a serial cable will do
15:38 < dzafez_> but I need a OS on it?
15:38 < blindy> OBP == Open Boot PROM
15:38 < owl_> serial cable. *puke*
15:38 < blindy> also, there's an emergency hole at the floppy drive
15:39 < dzafez_> won't it try to boot from the disk first??
15:39 < blindy> like on most CD-Roms
15:39 < blindy> dzafez_: well, you need to be fast :)
15:39 < dzafez_> cant see anything without a monitor
15:39 < blindy> owl_: I install all Sun Fire 480 and 4800 with a serial cable here
15:39 < blindy> dzafez_: SERIAL CABLE!!!
15:40 < owl_> blindy, ok O_o
15:40 < dzafez_> well forget it I'll not spend a minute for it. Thank you anyway
15:41 < owl_> why?
15:42 < dzafez_> "equivalent in raw CPU speed to a 486 at 50Mhz. " isn't that enough? I mean it might be interesting, but tons of things are interesting and I'd rather bother one of my Customers to borrow me a ARM - board so I can toy arount with that before I spend time with this old baby
15:43 < dzafez_> I'd love to have ROCKLinux running on a ARM-PC not bigger then a cigarette box
15:44 < owl_> hm. k. 
15:44 < dzafez_> ;-)
15:45 < dzafez_> c u later, I'll have to leave and get going, I'll visit a Customer today
15:45 < dzafez_> not for that, though ...
15:45 < dzafez_> wrong customer
15:45 < owl_> bye dzafez_
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15:51 < fake> dzafez_: it;s running on my iPod ...
15:51 < fake> ... kind of.
15:52 < fake> squashfs has better compression than cloop
15:57  * blindy off
15:57 < blindy> have a nice weekend!
15:59 < owl_> bye blindy
15:59 < rxr> fake: what is with your iPod ?
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16:02 < fake> rxr: i've got rock on it?
16:05 < rxr> where is the source?
16:08 < daja77> where are the screenshots :D
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16:11 < fake> rxr: source?
16:11 < fake> rxr: ipod-linux.sf.net
16:12 < fake> for the kernel
16:12 < fake> and arm crossbuild for rock?
16:12 < fake> arm7tvid (or so) is the opt.
16:12 < fake> *tvdi
16:28 < jsaw> re
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16:29 < mnemoc> moin
16:31 < owl_> hi mnemoc
16:32 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
16:32 < dsoul> hi mnemoc :)
16:33 < jsaw> fake: are u subscribed to dietlibc ml?
16:33 < mnemoc> hi owllie, rxr and dsoul
16:37 < daja77> hi mnemoc & jsaw 
16:38 < jsaw> hello!
16:39 < rxr> hi jsaw 
16:40 < jsaw> now at 944/91 of 1299 builds, fake said over 150 failed?
16:41 < jsaw> hmmm...
16:42  * netrunner crashed after 5 packages ;)
16:44 < jsaw> netrunner: ?
16:45 < jsaw> ah, i see.
16:45 < jsaw> netrunner: forget the stage-0 errors
16:45 < jsaw> *just ignore*
16:46 < jsaw> (they're due to the flistroot changes for stage 0)
16:48 < netrunner> so well then I switch of the pedantic mode.
16:51 < mnemoc> hi daja77, netrunner 
16:51 < netrunner> hi mnemoc
16:51 < mnemoc> pedantic mode?
16:51  * netrunner 's melting
16:51 < netrunner> paranoia check
16:51  * mnemoc 's freezing
16:51 < netrunner> it's about 30°C here.
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16:52 < demian> hi
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc: /me is freezing, too
16:53 < fake> jsaw: no ?
16:53 < rxr> < 20° here ...
16:53 < owl_> hi demian
16:53 < owl_> ~ 30 ?C here
16:53 < demian> here is hot!
16:53 < demian> always..
16:53 < demian> hi owl_ 
16:53 < fake> jsaw: why ?
16:54 < fake> jsaw: did i start an evil rant ?
16:54 < fake> *g*
16:54 < mnemoc> is it normal to have 50ºC of difference in as few kilometers?
16:55 < jsaw> fake: just asking 'cause of the sparc64 thing
16:55 < fake> jsaw: clifford forwarded me the mail about the fdlibm
16:56 < fake> jsaw: but i'm not motivated as it's only the quad-math stuff that's missing, not the rest
16:56 < fake> jsaw: fdlibm would replace that, too, if i saw that correctly...
16:56 < jsaw> fefe sent a mail to dietlibc ml, 'cause he did not understand what your patch is for...
16:57 < fake> o_O
16:57 < jsaw> and clifford replied.
16:57 < owl_> <- afk. (getting protectors for peru's feet)
16:57 < fake> aaah, ok
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16:58 < jsaw> (fefe obviously never came across a quad fp to int conversion...)
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17:00 < jsaw> <trini@kernel.crashing.org>
17:00 < fake> jsaw: i never heard of it before, either, so... ;)
17:00 < jsaw> 	[PATCH] Add <linux/compiler.h> to <linux/fd.h>
17:00 < jsaw> (Changelog entry for 2.6.8-rc1)
17:00 < jsaw> forget your patch, fake
17:00 < fake> jsaw: guess that settles one or the other discussion ;)
17:00 < jsaw> well, ...
17:00 < rxr> oh - what are you talking about?
17:01 < jsaw> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.8-rc1, somewhere near the end
17:02 < fake> maybe we can patch it in in the meantime
17:03 < jsaw> me thinks that's reasonable
17:04 < rxr> fake: just for you interested, grep for compiler.h in that mentioned file ,)
17:04 < rxr> three files got such an include, now ...
17:05 < fake> rxr: did you have a look at /usr/dietlibc/include/linux, btw? ;P
17:05 < jsaw> rxr: that's not really a pro for what your points
17:05 < jsaw> are
17:07 < rxr> jsaw: ?
17:08 < jsaw> the fact that 3 more files get the compiler.h does not mean, that the majority of kernel devs think, userland apps are expected to include correct kernel headers...
17:09 < fake> kuhl, my set_loop in linuxrc works ;)
17:11 < fake> btw, rockplug is scanning really slow in qemu
17:34 < fake> not that it matters, though
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17:44 < nzg> moin
17:45 < nzg> rxr: nice article in the "Linux Magazin"
17:47 < netrunner> there is one? 
17:47 < daja77> about gcc 3.4 yes
17:50 < netrunner> nice picture :)
17:51 < fake> no unace in rock?
17:51 < nzg> yes
17:52 < fake> is there a redistributable package?
18:03 < netrunner> http://freshmeat.net/projects/unace/ says 'freely redistributable'
18:03 < rxr> and binary only or so - isn't it?
18:04 < netrunner> jup
18:05 < daja77> what is unace?
18:06 < rxr> ace is some compression stuff uses by Microsofties ...
18:06 < rxr> unace is the un packer of it ...
18:06 < netrunner> cool, without paranoia I only fail in stage 1 
18:07 < demian> winace propertly. didnt know there was an unace available.. /me getting it
18:08 < netrunner>  install i686-unknown-linux-gnu-strip insmod /usr/src/rock-devel/build/builder-2.1.0-DEV-x86-athlon-mp-32-generic-expert
18:08 < netrunner> /sbin/insmod.old
18:08 < netrunner> where does this strip thing come from? it breaks the build :(
18:08 < fake> netrunner: install 'autodetects' which strip to use
18:09 < fake> and configure detects wether it should strip 
18:09 < fake> we need an install wrapper
18:09 < netrunner> install: installing multiple files, but last argument, `/usr/src/rock-devel/build/builder-2.1.0-DEV-x86-athlon-mp-32-gene
18:09 < netrunner> ric-expert/sbin/insmod.old' is not a directory
18:10 < netrunner> this strip thing is obviously in the wrong place.
18:10 < rxr> fake: we have an install wrapper ...
18:13 < netrunner> iirc something related to strip happened recently, who feels guilty?
18:13  * fake added STRIP=$STRIP to the default 'make' arguments
18:14 < fake> rxr: then i can do var_remove INSTALL_WRAPPER_ARGS " " "-s" ?
18:15 < fake> (their damn download doesn't work)
18:15 < fake> (winace)
18:15 < demian> bye guys
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18:18 < netrunner> fake: and $STRIP should contain -s ?
18:18 < netrunner> fake: it seems to contain the basename of the strip executable ...
18:19 < fake> netrunner: no
18:19 < fake> netrunner: $STRIP  is like $CC
18:22 < netrunner> fake: have you tested this?
18:22 < netrunner> modutils has the line "$(INSTALL) $(STRIP) $$i $(DESTDIR)$(sbindir)/$$i.old; done;" e.g.
18:22 < fake> netrunner: that's just plain wrong
18:23 < fake> netrunner: STRIP in that place means "-s" or not "-s" - they override the meaning of $STRIP in their makefile
18:23 < fake> (but not correctly as it seems)
18:24 < fake> that is a bug in modutils
18:26 < netrunner> they specify it as STRIP = -s in Makefile.common. so it can be overridden according to my small knowledge of makefiles
18:26 < netrunner> well, I'll remove it.
18:28 < fake> netrunner: that's fine
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18:54 < De_Elsasser> wouaf, pine is now configured, champagne
18:55 < netrunner> congrats, you shot yourself in the foot :)
18:55 < De_Elsasser> :p
18:55 < rxr> netrunner: ?
18:55 < De_Elsasser> i am the king, yes I say
19:00 < De_Elsasser> just a little bleme, is there something like dvi2tty but a little better?
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19:16 < fake> INIT: PANIC: segmentation violation
19:16 < fake> arghs.
19:18 < fake> hehe. vmware problem.
19:18 < fake> with qemu it works
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19:54 < jsaw> cu guys
20:15 < rxr> cu jsaw 
20:22 < rxr> cu
20:26 < netrunner> rxr: I don't really like pine :)
20:33 < netrunner> damnit. what was the fix against !> libtool: link: cannot find the library `' ?
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20:50 < owl_> remoin
20:50 < owl_> grmpf. i'm poor!
20:52 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux
20:53 < owl_> poor as an kirchenmaus. if someone has too much money and want to support an untalented, young programmer, please query me and ask for my account nr and credit institute where you can send money too
20:54  * netrunner offers to spend 2 cent
20:54 < owl_> great!
20:54 < owl_> no thx. i guess i have more in my moneybox... 10 cent afaik... :/
20:56 < netrunner> ah, mv /usr/lib/libSDL.la /tmp did the trick
21:01 < owl_> netrunner, will you be at the devmeeting, too?
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21:45 < netrunner> in stage 2 now I get -> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
21:45 < netrunner> cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-SPEED-O2"
21:45 < netrunner> cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-SIZE-Os"
21:47 < netrunner> I grep for both in some dirs I hold responsible but it does not help :/
21:51 < owl> http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzkultur/0,1518,308905,00.html
22:09 < netrunner> hahaha http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0715041wtc1.html
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22:57 < daja77> strange error
23:01 < rxr> I think it is smart optimization related
23:01 < rxr> cu again - me off in bed
23:01 < daja77> looks like y typo
23:01 < daja77> cu rxr
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23:18 < netrunne1> hm, I disabled it but it does not go away :(
23:18 < netrunne1> I'll try with normal opt. tomorrow.
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23:27 < daja77> that command line switch is just wrong, it should red -O2 and -Os, without that speed and size stuff
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23:49 < netrunne1> daja77: yeah, but I wonder where it comes from. I tried grepping through all files in src but didn't get a clue
23:50 < daja77> perhaps from our wrapper?
23:51 < netrunne1> hm, there's something ... var_insert GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-SPEED-O2 -SIZE-Os -pipe"
23:51 < mnemoc> check wrapper's logs
23:51 < netrunne1> damn that I forgot -H :/
23:51 < netrunne1> regrepping.
23:52 < mnemoc> re :)
23:52 < netrunne1> hi mnemoc :)
23:52 < mnemoc> hi netrunner
23:52 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
23:52 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
23:54 < mnemoc> dummy question: how can i sayd kernel to be kind of verbose? .... a floppy boot (2.0-stale) don't seeem to load initrc on a pmxx-200 i have here
23:55 < netrunne1> ah ... ./package/base/gcc/parse-config: is guilty.
23:55 < netrunne1> daja77: you said this -SPEED is invalid?
23:56 < daja77> never seen such a switch
23:57 < netrunne1> maybe it should be a switch to the wrapper?
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23:58 < netrunner> I never cared for the wrappers... I see flistwrapper in misc/tools-source, where is the gcc one?
23:59 < mnemoc> cmd_wrapper
23:59 < netrunner> ah
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