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00:18 < rxr> hm - if I see this synthomps right, there is some bug in 2.1 that prevents gcc from compiling some C++ files here.
00:18 < rxr> for one GCC ICEs when run with the wrappers - and the other never finishes - also not after 30 minutes ...
00:18 < rxr> this also does happen with BYPASS enabled ...
00:18 < rxr> but not with I compile without in the rock chroot and wrappers ...
00:18 < daja77> rxr: that rocknet stuff happens in 2.0.2 too
00:19 < rxr> but well - I just save my nerves and continue compiling it myself ...
00:19 < rxr> daja77: I know ...
00:19 < daja77> k.
00:20 < daja77> can it be fixed by creating an empty file called default?
00:21 < rxr> an empty profile, yes ..
00:21 < rxr> but it should be fixed correctly  - later when I feel to ...
00:33 < daja77> sure, i just want to give away that box without producing confusing error messages
00:38 < rxr> ah
00:38 < rxr> just name the card's profile default
00:38 < rxr> or does it not include network cards?
00:38  * rxr off into kitchen ...
00:38 < daja77> it is called eth0 atm iirc
00:40 < mnemoc> eth(eth0) ?
00:41 < daja77> or that
00:42 < mnemoc> that doesn't make much sense considering init.d/network calls only "default" profile
00:42 < mnemoc> using eth0(default) is ugly if you have only one profile :)
00:43 < daja77> indeed
00:43 < daja77> anyway n8
00:43 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 :)
00:43 < owl> gn8 daja77 
00:52 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - the profile check need to be improved
00:52 < rxr> eth0(default) is the work around ...
01:02 < rxr> seems one of the next kernels will miss devfs ...
01:03 < mnemoc> what?
01:03 < mnemoc> they will drop it?
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01:07 < nookie> rxr: you there?
01:07 < rxr> half asleep
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems to be very likely
01:07 < nookie> ah, ok
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems they want to delay a 2.7 branch - and merge mayor stuff in 2.6
01:08 < rxr> GKH immediately sent a devfs removal patch
01:08 < rxr> linux-kernel is in flames now - abd IIRC the patch already applied in the -mm tree ...
01:11 < rxr> so /me off into bed ... cu
01:13 < owl> gn8 rxr 
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01:33 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:33 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
01:33 [Users #rocklinux]
01:33 [ [anders]] [ Freak  ] [ luckz    ] [ owl  ] [ StefanG ] [ valentin_] 
01:33 [ blindy  ] [ hannes_] [ mistik1  ] [ rolla] [ th      ] 
01:33 [ daja77  ] [ jsaw   ] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr  ] [ togg    ] 
01:33 [ dsoul   ] [ kasc   ] [ netrunne1] [ rxr_ ] [ true    ] 
01:33 [ fake    ] [ Lorini ] [ nookie   ] [ SMP  ] [ valentin] 
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01:33 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug  4 00:11:35 2003
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07:12 < netrunne1> when we take existing patches from somewhere, shall we place a note inside?
07:12 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner
07:13 < SMP> netrunner: doing so would be good practice anyway
07:14 < netrunner> mk
07:14  * netrunner learning for the last (written) exam this semester: project organisation and -management.
08:26 < netrunner> hm. 1300 builds total, 863 completed fine, 79 with errors.
08:31 < netrunner> hm, jsaw was bored yesterday :)
08:32 < blindy> moin
08:33 < netrunner> hi blindy
08:36 < blindy> moin netrunner 
08:40  * blindy not making friends on the mailinglist again :/
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08:44 < selam> hii
08:44 < blindy> hi selam 
09:06 < blindy> oh
09:09 < blindy> it's sysadmin appreciation day soon
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10:29  * blindy yawns
11:23 < rxr_> cpuburn sucks
11:24 < rxr_> I have a box where executables fail (segfault produce errors) randomly
11:24 < rxr_> and cpuburn now runs for hours and has not yet noticed an error ...
11:24 < blindy> moin rxr
11:24 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:24 < rxr> moin blindy 
11:27 < rxr> this damn msnbot*.search.msn.com - they reindex and reindex my sites
11:27 < rxr> on a nearly daily bases
11:28 < rxr> I think I block those damn hosts soon - they pull ontent GB-wise from my servers ...
11:28 < blindy> daily?
11:28 < blindy> I get google hits on my site BY THE MINUTE
11:29 < rxr> hits be reffering 
11:30 < rxr> or "hits" by indexing?
11:30 < blindy> indexing
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11:30 < blindy> googlebot visits today: 2686
11:33 < rxr> I also get many googlebot hits - but they do not repull my wohle sites every few days ...
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11:35 < blindy> googlebot used to because I use a text-counter on the site for penis-enlargement reasons
11:35 < rxr> only on dl.rocklinux.... msnbots pulled >1.5GB this month !
11:35 < blindy> then I reprogrammed it not to display anything if the REMOTE_HOST was .*google.*
11:35 < blindy> rxr: ouch... robots.txt?
11:36 < blindy> rxr: use it for restricting access to the actual download directory
11:36 < rxr> theoretically I want to be indexed - just that the MSN crap his horrible broken and does not seem to notive static content correctly
11:36 < rxr> and the crappy bot should not index binary files ...
11:36 < rxr> as google does nither (AFAIK)
11:37 < blindy> I'm not sure if I want to be indexed on msn :)
11:37 < SMP> MSN might be the next big thing
11:37 < blindy> SMP: yes, right after Duke Nukem Forever is released
11:38 < rxr> and also I really like to sell expensive Linux stuff to M$ customers ... ;-)
11:38 < SMP> MS is really desperate about gaining marked share over Google - and they might just be on the right track
11:39 < SMP> but we're blocking msnbot, too, for the moment :>
11:40 < blindy> hm... I'm not really following the "what's the best searchengine"-debate
11:42 < rxr> ok - new robot.txt - for dump bots that do not recognize binary files ...
11:42 < rxr> SMP: you will not be at the dev-meeting, I guess?
11:43 < SMP> yes, I won't
11:43 < rxr> hm - compiling Qt related stuff on a K6-2@350Mhz is no fun ...
11:44  * rxr off getting rolls and such ...
11:44 < rxr> cu later
11:55 < fake> moin
11:57 < Lorini> moin
11:57 < fake> look what i found:
11:57 < fake>  ___________________
11:57 < fake> < mathilda is back! >
11:57 < fake>  -------------------
11:57 < fake>         \   ^__^
11:57 < fake>          \  (oo)\_______
11:57 < fake>             (__)\       )\/\
11:57 < fake>                 ||----w |
11:58 < fake>                 ||     ||
12:02 < fake> yeah, party...
12:14 < blindy> OMG
12:14 < blindy> fake: where did you find her?
12:15 < blindy> brb, gotta play with my V4800 a bit
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12:25 < blindy> re
12:27 < fake> re
12:27 < fake> blindy: http://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml
12:28 < rxr> cowsay sucks
12:28 < th> /usr/bin/cowsay
12:28 < th> currently installed
12:29 < th> /usr/src/rock-src/base-config/cowsay <-- and even there ;)
12:30 < SMP> right, cowsay sucks
12:30 < blindy> base-config?
12:30 < th> blindy: yea
12:30 < blindy> oh, 1.6
12:31 < fake> cowsay is a vital part of every linux system. *g*
12:31 < blindy> fake: so why isn't it packaged yet? :P
12:31 < fake> blindy: no idea
12:31 < SMP> blindy: 1.almost-6
12:31 < th> a 1.6-pre3 fork ;)
12:31 < fake> because it sucks ;)
12:31 < SMP> package it and I'll vote 'against'
12:32 < th> SMP: what a package is that? "against"?
12:32 < th> SMP: and how does it correspond to cowsay?
12:32 < SMP> haha
12:32  * fake didn't want to start a riot...
12:33 < th> fake: it's more a holy war
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12:47 < th> cowsay should go into sysfiles package...
12:48 < rxr> the time cowsay goes into ROCK I stop using it completely ...
12:49 < blindy> can someone tell me the problem with cowsay?
12:50 < th> some folks quite hypersensitive regarding it
12:52 < SMP> a) it's incredibly annoying to see that cowsay junk pasted on irc
12:53 < SMP> b) it's great fun to fight over
12:54 < rxr> c) especially on #rocklinux huebi already misussed it a lot
12:54 < th> give us anothergive us a d)
12:55 < th> ahhh it's his personal problem with huebi i suppose
12:55 < rxr> ?
12:55 < rxr> no
12:55 < blindy> ok, I can see b) :)
12:55 < rxr> th: just that a) it was incredible annoying to see it pasted over and over ...
12:55 < th> ahh i see
12:55 < th> ok
12:56 < th> ok - i must admit: cowsay could only exist within irc ;)
12:57 < blindy> th: and motd :)
12:59 < fake> ack
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13:08 < SerWou> HELLO GUYS
13:08 < SerWou> I'm a new Rocklinux user since 35min ;)
13:10 < rxr> hi SerWou - nice to hear!
13:10 < SerWou> yes
13:11 < fake> welcome ;)
13:11 < SerWou> So
13:12 < SerWou> i was the RockLinux docs : .Ps, .PDF are only in English, i can translate it to French, is it interesting ?
13:12 < rxr> if you like to, ...
13:12 < rxr> the source is at:
13:12 < fake> c'est bon *g*
13:12 < SerWou> was* = saw ;)
13:12 < rxr> http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/trunk/
13:13 < rxr> I can warn you that it is quite some work ... - if you start it, please translate the files 1 by 1 and send the result to rene@rocklinux.org
13:13 < SerWou> do you know what is the command to test your 3D perfomanance ? it shows a windows with 3 gears runing
13:13 < SerWou> ok rxr
13:14 < fake> glxgears
13:14 < rxr> glxgears
13:14 < SerWou> ok
13:14 < SerWou> perfect ;)
13:14 < th> SerWou: glxgears 
13:14 < SerWou> Thanks
13:14 < SerWou> i'm a Linux newbie ;)
13:15 < rxr> no problem
13:17 < SerWou> ok
13:17 < SerWou> Time to leave my computer
13:17 < SerWou> Gonna work
13:17 < SerWou> See you later guys
13:22 < daja77> re
13:23 < th> oh. mkpkg runs cksum even on devices
13:23 < th> that's bad. cause it might hang
13:23 < th> it does so cause it can put devices into flist
13:26 < th> this happens when a install-process creates device-nodes not under /dev
13:26 < th> (in fact this happens on win4lin install)
13:27 < daja77> win4lin? i thought that was outdated
13:27 < th> outdated?
13:27 < th> you mean discontinued?
13:27 < daja77> or that
13:27 < th> no - it's not.
13:27 < Lorini> toll wir haben nen prof aus chemnitz
13:27 < daja77> :p
13:27 < Lorini> mhr! wrong window
13:28 < owl> hi
13:29 < Lorini> hi owl
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13:31 < fake> win4lin is commercial
13:31 < th> yes it is
13:31 < th> why do you tell us?
13:32 < fake> it costs money
13:32 < th> yes it does
13:32 < th> why do you tell us?
13:32 < Lorini> *g*
13:32 < daja77> is it better than say cedega
13:33 < fake> it does bad things
13:33 < fake> i don't want to pay for software that does bad things...
13:33 < th> fake: what bad things does it do?
13:34 < daja77> running windows ^^
13:34 < th> raising TCO?
13:36 < fake> no, it runs software written for the wrong OS ;)
13:36 < th> that's not a bad thing
13:37 < th> fake: imagine i write a bash script intended to be run on cygwin in windows. so i wrote a script "written for the wrong OS"
13:37 < th> fake: following your theory "bash" does bad things
13:37 < th> fake: cause it runs it
13:37 < fake> th: cygwin is a unixish environment for windows
13:37 < daja77> it does!
13:37  * daja77 hides
13:37 < th> fake: but i wrote my script for windows
13:37 < fake> th: you like discussions, hm?
13:38 < th> fake: sometimes
13:38 < fake> th: running windows emulators/whatever is mostly done to get software to run where no native version exists
13:38 < daja77> he likes evil things *ggg*
13:39 < fake> th: that's something i marked as 'not a nice thing to do' in ma brain
13:39 < fake> writing software for windows exclusively is not a wise stratgey
13:39 < th> fake: emulaters can be used to run things because i want to see how the things work on _their_ native os
13:40 < SMP> fake: it is one that makes money - fast
13:40 < daja77> hehe indeed
13:40 < fake> SMP: in my perception of the world, gathering money is not a favourable goal ;)
13:40 < fake> th: why don't you use wine or qemu?
13:41 < SMP> fake: it is a necessary one
13:41 < th> fake: because they do bad things
13:41 < daja77> we should write rock for windows only, and becoming famous
13:41 < fake> SMP: having s/th to eat is, and being healthy... but having lots of money doens't help anyone...
13:42 < th> fake: how do _you_ get your food?
13:42 < fake> th: and please-apply-this-kernel-patch-win4lin doesn't ?
13:42 < fake> th: me hunt deer in forest. *g*
13:42 < th> fake: i's afraid you'd answer this way
13:43 < th> fake: oh yes - but it does this excelently
13:43 < fake> i think there is a great difference between gathering lots of money and earning a bit money you can save for new hardware...
13:43  * SMP thinks VMware is much better than win4lin
13:43 < fake> *nodnod*
13:43 < SMP> it runs w2k and Solaris ... ;->
13:44 < SMP> and XP (but I don't)
13:44 < owl> and openbsd
13:44 < fake> but i think given the fact that qemu is OSS it is still favourable...
13:44 < th> SMP: win4lin is more leightweight. which i prefer
13:44 < fake> an the rock livecd ;)
13:44 < th> SMP: and less expensive
13:44 < daja77> it runs solaris for sparc?
13:44 < SMP> daja77: no
13:44 < th> fake: i must admit - i don't know qemu
13:44 < fake> qemu runs darwin for mac os ;)
13:45 < daja77> k.
13:45 < daja77> is solaris/x86 wirth anything?
13:45 < SMP> pearPC runs Darwin/PPC, too ;>
13:45 < SMP> daja77: nice to play with at least
13:45 < fake> th: qemu rocks. it's small, and it's fast (but not the rock linux package - not yet - it runs with software emulated mmu..)
13:45 < daja77> qemu will have sparc support in the future if i got that right
13:46 < fake> and arm and stuff...
13:46 < fake> (but no mips on the todo list :( )
13:46 < daja77> sounds like you job :p
13:46 < fake> plus you can run binaries for different arches with it
13:46 < netrunner> arg my build aborted due to disk full.
13:46 < daja77> hi netrunner 
13:46 < fake> forgot to disable damn gcj? ;)
13:46  * netrunner sings 'where have all the gigas gone ... '
13:47 < daja77> who made that broken package ...
13:47  * netrunner kicking an old build's ass over the jordan.
13:49 < SMP> th: does .NET run on win4lin? ;-P
13:49 < th> SMP: does it run on w98?
13:52  * rxr starts to hate this damn old slow broken k62 ...
13:52 < SMP> w98 is listed as supported
13:52  * daja77 wondering if .net runs on reactos
13:52 < th> SMP: so "yes"
13:53 < SMP> whoah
13:53  * netrunner wonders if .NET runs on his toothbrush
13:53 < SMP> "Quake II .NET is a version of the popular Quake II game, ported to native and managed C++ using Microsoft® Visual Studio® .NET 2003"
13:53 < th> SMP: you have a full w98 installation in there
13:53 < SMP> th: .NET might be too low-level, I don't know
13:54 < SMP> netrunner: I thought that's what Java was made for ;>)
13:54 < th> SMP: isn't .NET just a java fork? ;-p
13:54 < netrunner> SMP: ok, that explains the coffee strains.
13:56 < SMP> th: .NET is to keep the promises that Java couldn't
13:57 < daja77> hm being portable? *eg*
13:57 < netrunner> fuck, what happened here? ./scripts/Build-Tools: line 112: cc: command not found
13:58 < netrunner> is it the chroot tools? how can I rebuild them=
13:58 < netrunner> s/=/?/
14:02 < netrunner> oh, I'd say it got removed by -newdelete.
14:03 < th> fake: so you say qemu should be able to run a recent "bad" OS for using native "bad" software?
14:05 < rxr> yes
14:05 < rxr> although not yet as fast as vmware
14:07 < rxr> damn - why am I alsways the one compiling f*cked up code on non-x86 systems
14:07 < rxr> can't they keep there damn x86ism out of the code ...*sigh*
14:08 < netrunner> rxr: because most people have x86 hw?
14:08 < daja77> because ppc gets less attractive ...
14:08 < th> not as fast as in vmware? uhhh. so i should stay at win4lin
14:11  * netrunner likes those female features. 'oh, I am hungry' - 'ok, I'll cook something'
14:11 < netrunner> hm. now again my usb mouse has x/y reverted.
14:12 < th> which "bad" office version would run in a recent wine?
14:13 < fake> th: yes
14:13 < SMP> netrunner: turn the plug around? ;->
14:13 < th> fake: i asked "which"
14:14 < fake> th: "yes" as answer to the prev. question
14:14  * fake answers in order ;)
14:14 < fake> th: no idea, i'm absolutely happy with OpenOffice...
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14:15 < th> fake: it's not ME to be happy
14:15 < th> fake: i'm perfectly happy with vim and my pdf-generator... it's about pleasing customers.
14:15 < fake> th: i c
14:16 < th> fake: so do you have information about wine and office without that crossover commercial wine-office-packs?
14:16 < fake> th: not really
14:16 < th> ok
14:16 < fake> i once tried office 2000 or so
14:16 < fake> excel and word were... okay.
14:16 < fake> didn't really dig deep though
14:16 < th> "... okay" or "okay"?
14:17 < fake> ...... well, to be honest, i started it, and that's it ;)
14:17 < fake> (iirc the splash screen caused some screen buggyness ;)
14:17 < fake> wine is only useful for games (tm)
14:23 < th> so i really don't need wine i suppose
14:24 < th> so there is only qemu left
14:24 < rxr> wine is not only for games ...
14:25 < rxr> many applications run in it ...
14:25 < fake> notepad!
14:25 < rxr> nonsense
14:25 < fake> minesweeper!
14:25 < rxr> IE, Office, Flash* ...
14:25 < rxr> take a look at the homepage ...
14:25 < fake> reliably? usably?
14:25 < rxr> usable
14:25  * fake likes wine
14:25 < rxr> and this was even some years ago ...
14:26 < fake> i'm just saying: if you have an alternative, take it
14:26 < fake> wine is the last resort
14:26 < th> rxr: regarding office the homepage pushes one to crossover
14:26 < th> which is commercial
14:26 < rxr> just e.g. AutoCAD did not run because of too heaviy OLE* s.t. usage
14:26 < rxr> oh - really? That sucks ...
14:26 < rxr> but it used to run in Wine ...
14:26 < th> rxr: which vefrsions?
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14:28 < th> rxr: i mean: which version did you test and was running "usable"
14:28 < rxr> the 2000 one or so ...
14:28 < th> ok
14:29 < th> so i could reconsider... but it's quite dissapointing that they link to crossover for office
14:29 < fake> http://www.frankscorner.org/winetools/about.html
14:31 < rxr> ack
14:31 < th> fake: uhhh. it's providing native windows applications. i doubt that it's legal
14:31 < th> hmm
14:31 < th> perhaps winmine is free
14:32 < th> or notepad
14:32 < rxr> http://www.winehq.org/site?ss=1
14:32 < daja77> notepad reminds me of a textedit widget sample ...
14:33 < rxr> http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?catId=0
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14:35 < th> ohh there is a Xdialog?
14:35 < th> why is linux kernel using tcl/tk then?
14:36 < fake> th: make xconfig ?
14:36 < th> yes
14:36 < fake> or even make qtconfig or make kconfig (can't remember)
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14:37 < daja77> it could be worse, it could use qt...
14:37 < th> xconfig: symlinks
14:37 < th>     $(MAKE) -C scripts kconfig.tk
14:37 < th>     wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk
14:37 < fake> th: oh
14:37 < SMP> daja77: it _does_ use qt in 2.6
14:38 < daja77> SMP: i know
14:38 < daja77> ok that tk stuff sucks anway
14:38 < SMP> (or gtk)
14:38 < th> hmmm. now wine made the whole screen BLACK
14:38 < th> i just told winetools to install core fonts
14:38 < daja77> yeah make gconfig *puke*
14:38 < fake> th: nice color, hm? ;)
14:39 < rxr> I think I thow this f*cking k62 out of the window - I hope noone is standing under my window
14:39 < rxr> oh - wait - it is valentin's box ...
14:39 < th> /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-kthread /home/th/winetools/fonts/andale32.exe
14:39 < th> hmmm
14:39  * rxr pushing the box in a corner to carry it back the next time and pushing it into some corner where it can continue to RIP
14:39 < netrunner> rxr: how can I rebuild the cc that is used by the build tools?
14:40 < th> now it crashed my x
14:40 < fake> ...
14:40 < rxr> netrunner: I would need to look into the code ...
14:41 < netrunner> never mind
14:43 < rxr> 14:08 < netrunner> rxr: because most people have x86 hw?
14:43 < rxr> one can also write portable code - no matter what one has ...
14:44 < rxr> 14:08 < daja77> because ppc gets less attractive ...
14:44 < rxr> g5 are quite attractive ...
14:44 < th> rxr: but this could cost more work
14:45 < daja77> rxr: with waater cooling, no thx
14:45 < rxr> hm - strange this damn user apps crash randomly box 
14:45 < rxr> does survive cpuburn and memtest86+ - this get's boring
14:45 < rxr> wonders if there is s.th. in 2.6.7 that does not like this box ...
14:45 < th> hmmm winetools don't crash randomly - they crash for sure.
14:45 < rxr> daja77: only the fastest one has water cooling ...
14:45 < daja77> rxr: what I meant is, your ibook works nice with linux, newer ones not, and the prices are still too high
14:46 < rxr> the dual 2.xGhz one ...
14:46 < rxr> the recent ones work, too. Just no Suspend to RAM yet, and no airport extreme 
14:47 < rxr> and it is not apples fault that we do not have the Broadcom specs nor the ATI specs for suspend to ram wakeup with recent Radeon chips ..
14:47 < rxr> and iBooks are not expensive
14:48 < rxr> and the top g5 model only has water cooling to be as quite as all g5 boxes ...
14:48 < daja77> it is their fault to ship that stuff
14:48 < daja77> it is their decision
14:49 < daja77> if i want non working hw with linux i could stick to pc hw as well
14:50 < rxr> huh? it is working
14:50 < daja77> hm
14:50 < rxr> and you do not need to plug a Airport extreme into it - just put a USB WiFI adapter in it ...
14:50 < rxr> then only Suspend to RAM is left - and this dos not work on most x86 either
14:50 < daja77> ack
14:51 < rxr> and you still have 5h+ battery life and so on ...
14:51 < daja77> does the small one still has nvidia graphics card?
14:51 < daja77> <- want a small laptop
14:51 < rxr> yep :-(
14:52 < daja77> i'll have a look after exams ...
14:53 < jsaw> does anybody have compile problems of xine with compilers other than 3.4?
14:54 < rxr> oehm - compiled yesterday on a amd k62 ...
14:54 < rxr> w/ gcc-3.2.3
14:54 < jsaw> (3.4 with -Os fails due to wrong register assignment in goom...)
14:55 < daja77> -Os is considered evil
14:56 < jsaw> my system (2.0.something) is compiled with -Os and I have no problems
14:57 < daja77> i was unsure if in 3.4 builds some faults were due 3.4 in general or due -Os
14:57 < jsaw> mainly mmx related...
14:58 < fake> jsaw: yes
14:58 < fake> jsaw: that zoom_filter_xmmx, right?
14:58 < jsaw> right
14:58 < jsaw> I disabled -O.* stuff in CC_WRAPPER_{INSERT,REMOVE}, now it's okay...
14:59 < jsaw> s/disabled/removed/
14:59 < rxr> jsaw: coould you report that at bugs.gcc... ?
14:59 < rxr> with preprocessed source ... so we get that fixed?
14:59 < jsaw> freebsd and co did it
14:59 < jsaw> already
15:00 < jsaw> rxr: I have a xine.conf file which removes this for gcc 3.4
15:00 < jsaw> hey now even totem builds, *yes*
15:01 < jsaw> 88 open patches, trying hard to get over 100...
15:02 < SMP> oh
15:03 < SMP> jsaw: I didn't look too closely - you're sending Gnome 2.6.2 patches, right?
15:03 < jsaw> yep
15:03 < jsaw> and some stuff along this
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15:05 < rxr> damn x86 cpu heatsinks - I nearly destroyed a mainboard due to not getting it from the k62 ...
15:07 < th> rxr: what are x86 heatsinks?
15:08 < rxr> the crappy ones sold for x86 mainboards ...
15:09 < rxr> compared to higher quality products in non-x86 systems ..
15:09 < rxr> ones where one does not destroy the PCB while trying to remove it ...
15:09 < th> and what about comparing to higher quality products in x86 sysmtes?
15:10 < ringo> fujitsu siemens is ok
15:10 < th> you seem to be comparing x86-crap with non-x86-quality
15:10 < th> dell stuff too
15:10 < th> ibm stuff too
15:10 < rxr> I currenty rant about the one in this k62 boars specifically, yes ... ;-)
15:10 < rxr> kicks the box
15:11 < ringo> productive, kicking :)
15:12  * fake entered stage 5...
15:13 < rxr> ok - after much time memtest86+ shows errors on the box ...
15:14 < ringo> c00l :(
15:15 < rxr> hm - the RAM is getting quite hot ...
15:15 < ringo> I must clean up my cable mess ... 
15:16 < ringo> dyn ram dissapates quite a lot power.
15:16 < ringo> refresh 
15:28 < th> hmm OOo-1.1.2 is not able to read OOo-1.1.1 correctly without messing with positioning
15:28 < th> i think i dislike all WYSIWYG word-processing applications
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15:39 < rxr> ok - with suffled run the box now passes memtest86+ longer ...
15:42 < rxr> s/run/ram/
15:42 < rxr> so - rebooting the well beloved box into linux again ...
15:50 < ringo> a fan on top of it might help 
16:02 < rxr> the box should stay loudless - and attempts to replace the CPU fan with a larger on failed because it is not possible to get the fan from the mainboard easily - it has some ugly "clipps" that need quite some viloence to losse ...
16:04 < daja77> sell that box on ebay and buy a new one ;)
16:06 < rxr> it is not mine - and only used for some testing ...
16:06 < daja77> ic
16:23 < netrunner> jsaw is still bored :)
16:24 < jsaw> ?
16:24 < netrunner> jsaw: so many patches .)
16:25 < jsaw> just trying to hit 100...
16:25 < netrunner> jsaw: it's your fault that my build broke.
16:25 < jsaw> really?
16:25 < jsaw> what broke?
16:25 < netrunner> I ran -newdelete after applying your patches, and something vital got removed.
16:26 < netrunner> jsaw: nothing directly broken by you :)
16:26 < jsaw> I usually delete 0 and 1 stages
16:26 < jsaw> that cures this problem
16:26 < netrunner> maybe it's the -dry-run for -newdelete patch ...
16:26 < netrunner> jsaw: how? just the logs?
16:26 < jsaw> yes
16:27 < jsaw> well, you may still encounter errors:
16:27 < jsaw>  [0] base/binutils                       [0] base/gcc34
16:27 < jsaw> but these were not vital (after this [01]-* delete)
16:28 < jsaw> see 2004072315195223934, that might have been your problem.
16:28 < netrunner> I have a shared from 0-gcc34 anyway iirc
16:28 < jsaw> yes, exactly
16:29 < jsaw> (flist is kept, so...)
16:29 < jsaw> but doesn't matter, as 0-1 stages do not yield packages
16:30 < mnemoc> moin
16:30 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
16:30 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
16:30 < jsaw> anybody knows the difference between openhbci and openhbci2?
16:35 < rxr> nope
16:35 < mnemoc> the trailing '2'?
16:35 < mnemoc> hi rxr
16:35 < jsaw> I mean, if these major versions do make a difference...
16:36 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
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16:36 < De_Elsasser> hilli halla
16:37 < jsaw> hi De_Elsasser 
16:37 < jsaw> <- brb
16:37 < daja77> moin De_Elsasser 
16:37 < De_Elsasser> hullu jsaw and daja77
16:38 < De_Elsasser> I found the ultimative window manager
16:38 < De_Elsasser> ratpoison (oder rattengift)
16:39 < daja77> hehe
16:40 < De_Elsasser> it makes take a little time to go, but it goes well
16:43 < De_Elsasser> when rxr is ok, I try to write a "package"
16:43 < th> De_Elsasser: you should try ion and pekwm as well
16:43 < rxr> De_Elsasser: hm ? what is with me?
16:43 < th> De_Elsasser: was ratpoison the splitting one?
16:44 < daja77> ratpoison, ithought we have a package
16:44 < De_Elsasser> th: ion is make, bad
16:44 < th> De_Elsasser: it is "make"?
16:45 < rxr> made I guess
16:45 < th> rxr: then i don't see the reason for ","
16:45 < De_Elsasser> heu, is verified
16:46 < rxr> th: I have not written that ;-)
16:46 < th> rxr: but the "," does not match with your "made" suggestion ;>
16:46 < De_Elsasser> daja77: are you sure?
16:47 < th> De_Elsasser: no he is not
16:47 < rxr> th: I got that - it was just a suggestion ...
16:47 < th> ;-)
16:49 < daja77> hm grep found no package, maybe i confused it with sth else
16:50 < De_Elsasser> daja77: I did it, that why I wondered
16:53 < De_Elsasser> th: ratpoison and pekwm are 2 different thinks
16:54 < th> De_Elsasser: i know this
16:54 < th> De_Elsasser: why do you tell me?
16:55 < De_Elsasser>  th> De_Elsasser: you should try ion and pekwm as well
16:56 < th> De_Elsasser: i know what i said
16:56 < th> De_Elsasser: does this sentence imply that i think pekwm is the same like ratpoison?
16:57 < th> De_Elsasser: i even did not mention ratpoison
16:57 < De_Elsasser> but ion
16:57 < th> yes
16:57 < th> so?
16:57 < th> i mentioned ion and pekwm.
16:58 < De_Elsasser> ion is ratpoison like
16:58 < th> i know that
16:58 < th> let's stop that - i won't get your point, i'm afraid
17:03 < jsaw> if somebody's interested: gcc 3.3.4 is out
17:03  * jsaw off now
17:03 < jsaw> cu guys!
17:03 < rxr> cu jsaw 
17:03  * rxr finally of into the kitchen - eating ...
17:03 < fake> cu jsaw!
17:23 < De_Elsasser> cu all 
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17:39 < daja77> these damn outlook poster on rtai ml
17:42 < owl> gnarf.
17:42 < owl> Intel Corp.: Unknown device 4220 << someone knows this wlan-card? *grml*
17:44 < daja77> centrino perhaps
17:45 < owl> yeah. centrino... but why such a crappy output from lspci?
17:45 < daja77> perhaps too old
17:46 < owl> hmm. k. 
17:47 < owl> thx anyway. might groogle.com gave me the correct hint
17:49 < fake> owl: ipw2100.sf.net
17:49 < owl> fake: nope. i don't think this will work... my notebook - pardon my leihnotebook - has this wlan-dev... but not such a crappy output
17:53 < fake> owl: pci id database too old?
17:54 < owl> fake: dunno... but - how to update it?
17:54 < owl> or better: how is it clalled?
17:55 < fake> owl: update kernel and lspci utility
17:55 < fake> iirc
17:56 < owl> kernel: 2.6.7
17:57 < owl> but lspci.. should be not too old... (slack 10.0)
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18:03 < fake> == 07/23/04 15:48:34 =[5]=> Finished building package glibc23.
18:03 < fake> owl: maybe you find a webpage with a descr. of the notebook
18:03 < fake> (that glibc23 stage 5 is sparc64 ...)
18:04 < owl> fake: hmm. yeah. 
18:04 < mnemoc> fake: how many errors until now?
18:05 < fake> 255 builds total, 87 completed fine, 7 with errors.
18:06 < fake> strace, parted, netkit-telnet (?), lvm (2.6 headers in /usr/include)
18:06 < fake> so only 3 important pkgs: netkit-telnet, silo and dietlibc (but only in stage 1 - stage 3 was fine)
18:06 < fake> oh, and gdb
18:07 < mnemoc> that sounds _very_ promising
18:07 < fake> jup... once i added -Wa,-Av9a and -mno-app-regs to gcc-options
18:08 < mnemoc> oh
18:11 < rxr> this damn video playes
19:00 < netrunner> now that I wonder why my 2-gcc34 runs for an hour, I notice that it stopped ...
19:01 < netrunner> /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: /bin/sh: undefined symbol: __guard
19:01 < netrunner> weird.
19:01 < netrunner> I think I'll remove the complete build and redo it.
19:03 < owl> baabwaaaah! guys, you have one large problem with rock... the default "konsole"-colors are white!!!
19:03 < owl> *getting eyecancer*
19:03 < true> poor owl ;)
19:03 < owl> true: *
19:03 < owl> *kick* 
19:04 < mnemoc> poor blind owl
19:04 < th> owl: you mean kde-konsole background?
19:04 < owl> th: yeah. 
19:05 < owl> hmm... and my backspace doesn't work... 
19:05 < mnemoc> isn't it cute?
19:05 < owl> mnemoc: white bg? *puke*
19:05 < mnemoc> mine is pink with green letters ;p
19:06 < owl> muahahahaha. i don't believe you ;p 
19:06 < mnemoc> :D
19:06 < owl> but a working backsappace would be great *grml*
19:07 < th> owl: just don't strike the wrong keys. you won't need a backspace.
19:07 < owl> haeh???? doesnt dunderstand anything... 
19:07 < owl> th: huh?
19:07 < mnemoc> it's your fault to need the backspace, don't blame us
19:07 < th> owl: make no mistakes - don't use backspace 
19:08 < owl> th: *kick*
19:08 < owl> i don't want to use "back-cruscursor, and entf" :p
19:09 < th> owl: don't use "entf" either!
19:09 < th> owl: strike your keys and hit enter
19:09 < owl> and: tdefault "call me if you want to config your system tool" is stone?
19:09 < owl> th: *kick* :p
19:10 < owl> if yes (stone is our beloved config-tool, ) then i have to report a bug! 
19:11 < th> send patch
19:11 < owl> i wont.
19:11 < th> why?
19:11 < owl> cuz i 'm not willed to do development in rock anymore
19:12 < owl> i saw it asome minutes... see what doesn't work per default and will grab my slackware cds soon to install slack again, in some minutes
19:12 < owl> or: you can help me ;p
19:12 < th> owl: install whatever you want ;)
19:13 < owl> bash-2.05b# stone
19:13 < owl> /usr/sbin/stone: line 68: /dev/fd/62: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
19:13 < owl> /usr/sbin/stone: line 1:   809 Done                    grep -h '^# \[MAIN\] [0-9][0-9] ' $SETUPD/mod_*.sh
19:13 < netrunner> hm ... http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2004-02/msg02539.html
19:13 < owl>        810 Datenübergabe unterbrochen (broken pipe)                | sort
19:13 < owl> Error: Expected at least 6 tokens for --menu, have 4.
19:13 < owl> Use --help to list options.
19:13 < th> owl: cd /dev ; ln -s /proc/self/fd
19:13 < th> owl: that bug is fixed already i think.
19:13 < mnemoc> owl: that did you installed there?
19:13 < owl> hm. k. self n/a
19:13 < th> (at least in stable)
19:14 < owl> mnemoc: i installed a it from a "linux intern" -cd my dad gave me
19:14 < owl> 2.0.2-x86-pentiumpro-32-desktop-expert
19:15 < th> who did that build?
19:15 < owl> dunno?
19:15 < owl> guessing - rene?
19:16 < th> not for 2.0.2
19:16 < th> at least no official released bins
19:17 < owl> hmmm. then i have no clue. i just know that erthere is a n interview in the magazine with him... so i'm guessing
19:17 < th> k
19:17 < th> just set the link
19:17 < owl> uf tgere would be a /proc/self, then i would be able to set it
19:18 < owl> aehm. correction. if proc would be mounted , i would be see a /rpproc/self maybe
19:18 < owl> interesting... the /etdcc/fstab is empt y too
19:19 < owl> aeh. 2.0.2 isn't stable, i hope, yeah?
19:19 < th> owl: yes it is
19:19 < th> owl: perhaps you just forgot to mount /proc?
19:19 < owl> ok ... 
19:19 < th> owl: did you chroot into it?
19:19 < th> owl: or did you already boot?
19:19 < owl> nope. i did a "confgiure etc/fstab " automatically... when installed it
19:20 < owl> i already booted it... and i'm running kde currently on it... but aehm. yeah. strange behaviouer
19:20 < th> i never touch the /etc/fstab when installing ;)
19:20 < th> owl: kde is up and /proc is not mounted?
19:20 < owl> sorry. i have to got to a shoip, buiying a new brush
19:20 < owl> eahyeah :)
19:20 < owl> till i mounted it... 
19:20 < th> owl: so fix your fstab
19:21 < owl> and now i have a strange mtab, too
19:21 < owl> bash-2.05b# cat /etc/mtab
19:21 < owl> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0
19:21 < owl> proc /proc proc rw 0 0
19:21 < th> owl: i never touch fstab when installing
19:21 < owl> hmm. k. 
19:21 < owl> nah. i will try maybe rock in another version... 
19:21 < owl> but - not toaday. ... might at the dev-meeting, if yosomeone gives me a cds
19:21 < owl> et
19:21 < owl> gnarf. ihating this keyboard.
19:21 < owl> nee dbbrush. bye . (will be back soon)
19:22 < owl> 3~
19:22 < mnemoc> cu owl
19:22 < owl> arhm. jyeah... now i have schinease letters in my screen... 
19:22 < owl> O_o
19:46 < netrunner> clip gives cksum error
19:58 < rxr> re
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20:36 < rxr> cool - now I distcc my stuff from the K6-2 box to my Athlon-XP 2500 - this feels better
20:36 < rxr> no boring tee nipping while waiting for C++ code to get compiled ...
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20:42 < netrunner> rxr: you won't write a howto, will you?
20:48 < fake> 255 builds total, 93 completed fine, 7 with errors.
20:48 < fake> wee
20:49  * netrunner is the neverending source of weird build problems: i686-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc-34: 5-01/objdir/linuxthreads: No such file or directory
20:51 < fake> netrunner: wipe your tree and start again - you are having very strange problems
20:52 < netrunner> fake: I just did so. transferred the tree to another comp. :/
20:52 < fake> get a new checkout and apply the several fixes in sm...
20:53 < netrunner> may I quote the petunia?
20:53 < fake> petunia? isn't that some kind of flower?
20:53 < fake> ;)
20:53 < netrunner> you don't know it?
20:54 < fake> depends what 'it' referrs to
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20:57 < netrunner> New Cast Information For 'Hitchhiker's' Movie
20:57 < netrunner> Posted by timothy on Sun Feb 22, '04 04:18 PM
20:57 < netrunner> from the movie-with-a-heart-of-gold dept.
20:57 < netrunner> Kathleen writes "I was listening to the old Hitchiker's radio plays, and feeling nostalgic, I decide to check out how the movie version was going along. Well, they've filled out some important parts, Zaphod and Marvin have been cast. Zaphod is played by Sam Rockwell who's most recently been in Matchstick Men and Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Marvin is being played by Warwick Davis (Who was Willow Ufgood in Willow). Slartibartfast wil
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20:58 < netrunner> by ankit (70020) * on Sunday February 22, @04:19PM (#8357291)
20:58 < netrunner> (http://lucis.net/ | Last Journal: Monday December 22, @12:57AM)
20:58 < netrunner> here/a [slashdot.org]
20:58 < netrunner> Burn Hollywood Burn (Score:3, Insightful)
20:58 < netrunner> by Alan Partridge (516639) on Sunday February 22, @04:28PM (#8357350)
20:58 < netrunner> (Last Journal: Monday February 16, @04:04PM)
20:58 < netrunner> another American atrocity this way comes
20:58 < netrunner> Re:Burn Hollywood Burn (Score:2)
20:58 < netrunner> by HTH NE1 (675604) on Monday February 23, @07:29PM (#8368342)
20:58 < netrunner> I worry that they don't even know the real Ultimate Question and will screw that up, or that they'll try to correct the math in the wrong Question. (That not many people know the real Question, nor that it was stated twice in the third book doesn't bode well.)
20:58 < owl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. better. much better. having backspace again. 
20:58 < netrunner> It would be a pity not to have Stephen Moore. He's been the voice of Marvin for the radio series, the TV series, the song Marvin I Love You, and even did an edition of the books on tape (seek them out if you want to hear him sing "How I Hate The Night").
20:58 < netrunner> The only other person I think I could accept as Marvin is a male voice actor who has done the voice of Eeyore, like Peter Cullen or Ralph Wright. A deep voice of depression. Warwick Davis I fear would need too much electronic manipulation to get the tone needed which would get in the way of his acting ability as heavy alien makeup gets in the way for actors in front of cameras. (See Paul Blake's (uncredited) portrayal of Greedo, later t
20:58 < netrunner> Though I confess I haven't heard his work lately. The last thing I saw him in that I liked, he was an Ewok (I did not like Willow).
20:58 < fake> SMP: can you kick him please?
20:59 < netrunner> Just a reminder (Score:5, Insightful)
20:59 < netrunner> by rblancarte (213492) on Sunday February 22, @04:50PM (#8357475)
20:59 < netrunner> (http://www.blancarte.com/ron | Last Journal: Friday November 07, @03:58AM)
20:59 < netrunner> Not that you /.ers can be trusted to actually read a page BEFORE commenting on it, but IMDB.com does add this note to projects that are still in the planning stages (like HhGTTG):
20:59 < netrunner> Note: Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely.
20:59 < netrunner> Re:Just a reminder (Score:5, Informative)
20:59 < netrunner> by gbulmash (688770) on Monday February 23, @12:05AM (#8359910)
20:59 < netrunner> (http://www.bulmash.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 09, @05:33PM)
20:59 < netrunner>     Not that you /.ers can be trusted to actually read a page BEFORE commenting on it, but IMDB.com does add this note to projects that are still in the planning stages (like HhGTTG): "Note: Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely." 
20:59 < netrunner> Worth noting, though, is that if you subscribe to their IMDbPro [imdb.com] web site, they have news items (subscription required) [imdb.com] available from The Hollywood Reporter that confirm the casting of Martin Freeman (Dent), Mos Def (Prefect), Rockwell (Zaphod), and others. It may still not be written in stone, but when it comes from The Hollywood Reporter, it can be considered pretty reputable.
20:59 < netrunner> - Greg
20:59 < netrunner> What's Important (Score:4, Insightful)
20:59 < netrunner> by rpeh (691577) on Sunday February 22, @06:11PM (#8357880)
20:59 < netrunner> It really doesn't matter who plays whom. What's more worrying is that Adams' script is being rewritten. HHGTTG is probably the finest comedy written thus far in human history and the idea that somebody could do better than DNA is tantamount to heresy.
20:59 < netrunner> The main reason the film has never been made is that Adams was never happy with what Hollywod was offering. Do we really thing he'd be happy with some droid scriptwriter massacring his work?
20:59 < netrunner> If The Powers That Be didn't like DNA's script, they don't deserve to benefit from it.
20:59 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1)
20:59 < netrunner> by Threni (635302) on Sunday February 22, @06:44PM (#8358072)
20:59 < netrunner> > The main reason the film has never been made is that Adams was never happy with
21:00 < netrunner> > what Hollywod was offering. Do we really thing he'd be happy with some droid
21:00 < netrunner> > scriptwriter massacring his work?
21:00 < netrunner> I just know this film will suck, but i'll probably go and see it anyway. Well, i'll be checking here and the movies usenet group first.
21:00 < netrunner> But the issue is simply whether or not it'll make money for the people making it. That's the only criterion these days.
21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:5, Insightful)
21:00 < netrunner> by Alan Partridge (516639) on Sunday February 22, @09:12PM (#8358971)
21:00 < netrunner> (Last Journal: Monday February 16, @04:04PM)
21:00 < netrunner> Hollywood depends on idiots like you. You consistently go and see films that you don' t want to see. Have you ever thought about voting with your wallet?
21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1)
21:00 < netrunner> by Threni (635302) on Monday February 23, @03:27AM (#8360614)
21:00 < netrunner> > You consistently go and see films that you don' t want to see. Have you ever
21:00 < netrunner> > thought about voting with your wallet?
21:00 < netrunner> Incorrect.
21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:2)
21:00 < netrunner> by benjymous (69893) on Monday February 23, @04:42AM (#8360792)
21:00 < netrunner> (http://www.grapefruitopia.com/)
21:00 < netrunner> I've often thought it'd be cool if somebody took all the original radio recordings and used them to make an animated version (thinking adult anime, not cutsey kids cartoon)
21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:2)
21:00 < netrunner> by HTH NE1 (675604) on Monday February 23, @07:05PM (#8368084)
21:00 < fake> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
21:00 < netrunner> Funny, I've thought of actually doing it, but first using stills from the TV series as storyboards for the first six fits. Maybe referencing the comic book edition of the story as well.
21:00 < netrunner> I just wish I had the time and skill to do it. And the more people you try to get organized to do it, the more likely you'll get shut down by the rights holders, even if it is just for your own personal entertainment and not for public consumption.
21:01 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1)
21:01 < netrunner> by dogbertsd (251551) on Monday February 23, @11:04PM (#8370251)
21:01 < netrunner> While I agree that no real liberties should be taken with the script, you have to consider that the "script" was in about fourteen different versions in various states of revision and written over many years. Each had different bits in different places, conflicting plotlines, and few if any of the scripts were near completion. The whole thing was in serious need of editing and smoothing out.
21:01 < netrunner> His favorite way to write was under extreme pressure, such as the editor was in the sitting room and DNA was typing like a mad man handing over each chapter as it was done for review and editing. Each of his books was a combination of DNA's wit and an editor's wringing.
21:01 < netrunner> DNA was a funny man and a great writer, but punctual and organized (as a writer at least) he was not.
21:01 < netrunner> Dear God ... (Score:1)
21:01 < netrunner> by rholliday (754515) on Sunday February 22, @04:20PM (#8357293)
21:01 < netrunner> (http://www.slashdot.org/~rholliday/ | Last Journal: Sunday February 22, @10:54AM)
21:01 < netrunner> n Speed?
21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:2)
21:01 < netrunner> by ConceptJunkie (24823) on Monday February 23, @08:03PM (#8368702)
21:01 < netrunner> (http://www.zycha.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 25, @10:22PM)
21:01 < netrunner> I'll take mediocrity and the Costner-level of emoting (i.e., he'd have to get worked up to look bored) over the thick, slimy, festering mess that is Jim Carrey. Just reading a review of "The Cable Guy" scarred me for life. Reeves may be a lame actor, but at least he's been in movies I would actually want to watch.
21:01 < netrunner> And let's not even get into how they're completely raping the works of our poor, beloved, late Dr. Seuss. I don't know what's worse, the reptilian smarminess of Jim Carrey or the crushing, leaden unfunniness of Mike Myers, who makes Walter Cronkite look like Robin Williams.
21:01 < fake> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE KICK HIM??
21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:4, Funny)
21:01 < netrunner> by UserGoogol (623581) on Sunday February 22, @04:44PM (#8357443)
21:01 < netrunner> Be fair. Jim was good in The Cable Guy.
21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:5, Funny)
21:01 < netrunner> by focitrixilous P (690813) <psychofarmer0@wackiness.org> on Sunday February 22, @04:55PM (#8357496)
21:02 < netrunner> (http://fred.wackiness.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 07, @09:12PM)
21:02 < netrunner> Jim was good in The Cable Guy.
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21:02 < fake> that's it?
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21:04 < netrunner> is it over? 
21:06 < fake> yes
21:06 < th> wow
21:06 < fake> it stopped the momen you left
21:06 < th> what was that?
21:06 < netrunner> I must have slipped after copying the line in mozilla so he marked the whole page.
21:06 < fake> a very intelligent client that ciruments flood kick / ignore by sleeping between lines *grml*
21:07 < th> a good moment to test the op
21:07  * fake not op
21:07 < netrunner> it was all sent within a minute. I only heard fake scream but couldn't do anything.
21:07 < fake> and SMP didn't react
21:07 < fake> netrunner: it really stopped the moment you left.
21:07 < fake> your client must have paused it in between
21:07 < netrunner> I think the lines were at the server and were sent from a buffer. when the server realized that I leaved he discarded my lines
21:08 < fake> it doesn't go that slow if i paste s/th
21:08 < netrunner> fake: or in the client, whatever. but I had all my lines and then yours below.
21:08 < fake>  _____
21:08 < fake> < see >
21:08 < fake>  -----
21:08 < fake>         \   ^__^
21:08 < fake>          \  (oo)\_______
21:08 < fake>             (__)\       )\/\
21:08 < fake>                 ||----w |
21:08 < fake>                 ||     ||
21:08  * netrunner planning to go back to ircii
21:08 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o th] by ChanServ
21:08 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o th] by th
21:09 < netrunner> fake: well, all I wanted to say basically is that the quote is from adam douglas' hitchhickers guide to the galaxy.
21:09 < th> netrunner: my irssi asks me if i really want to paste this, if it's more than 5 lines
21:10 < netrunner> "Oddly enough, the only thought that went through the bowl of petunia's mind was, 'Oh no, not again.'"
21:10 < netrunner> th: not mine. but I'll search for that.
21:10 < th> Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - http://irssi.org/
21:10 < th> netrunner: you should upgrade
21:10 < th> you are at 0.8.6
21:11 < fake> netrunner: oh
21:17 < netrunner> th: *building*
21:18 < th> netrunner: remember: you don't need to exit irssi to change to the new version
21:18 < th> netrunner: no need to reconnect etc
21:18 < th> netrunner: /help upgrade
21:18 < netrunner> ah :)
21:18 < netrunner> well, I am disconnected anyway in an hour or so iirc.
21:19 < th> oh... smells like mandatory disconnect ;)
21:19 < th> .oO(without vpn)
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21:21 < th> fake: in fact your pasting was delayed.
21:21 < th> fake: 5 lines at once next 3 lines with 2 seconds delay
21:21 < th> (each)
21:38 < rxr> 20:42 < netrunner> rxr: you won't write a howto, will you?
21:38 < rxr> ^- ?
21:38  * rxr is also op - but was away ...
21:42 < rxr> hm - I start to like the distcc 
21:43 < rxr> it is a pleasant recovery after all those non or at best half functional Linux DVB application crap ..
22:00 < SMP> d'oh
22:02 < SMP> at least that means a lot new keywords for spiders in the irclogs ;->
22:03 < fake> rxr: wich dvb apps?
22:07 < mnemoc> rehi
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22:14 < netrunner> yeah well, the /upgrade only works if you don't install a package linked against a newer glibc than exists on the executing host ;)
22:16 < rxr> fake: do you use some?
22:21 < netrunner> aha, just when I disable this fancy smart optimization my build advances to stage 1
22:25 < netrunner> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49377 (german)
22:25 < mnemoc> :(
22:25 -!- luckz is now known as luckzy
22:26 < owl> is it possible to compile qemu with an gui?
22:26 -!- luckzy is now known as luckz
22:27 < netrunner> mnemoc: the site reports from the fight between netfilter and sitecom
22:27 < netrunner> mnemoc: sitecom sells wlan routers that use netfilter (GPL) code in their roms.
22:27 < luckz> mee
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22:28 < mnemoc> netrunner: oh
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22:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: netfilter now got an affirmation for the injuction they got in the first run.
22:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: value of the struggle is 100kEur
22:28 < netrunner> s/struggle/law suit/ ;)
22:29 -!- alcyon is now known as luckz
22:29 < mnemoc> i guess i could have been more money
22:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: http://www.netfilter.org/news/2004-04-15-sitecom-gpl.html is english :)
22:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: the new thing is only that it got affirmed in the 2nd run.
22:45 < mnemoc> netrunner: if they start including a copy of GPL with their routers the case is closed?
22:49 < rxr> fake: do you use DVB stuff?
22:53 < SMP> mnemoc: no, they need to either cease selling or start complying with the GPL, which means offering the source
22:53 < mnemoc> the full source of their roms?
22:54 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CDEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:54 < SMP> the source of anything they linked against or derived from GPL software, as the GPL requires
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23:00 < th> mnemoc: it's on /. too
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23:11 < mnemoc> th: there are very interesting comments
23:19 < fake> rxr: sure
23:20 < th> mnemoc: it's /. ;)
23:25 < rxr> fake: and what applications? and what DVB-* variant?
23:28 < jsaw> re
23:28 < jsaw> 1291 builds total, 1184 completed fine, 107 with errors
23:28 < fake> DVB-S with dvb-kernel cvs from linuxtv.org / 2.6.7, mythtv
23:28 < netrunner> hm, everybody want's to be like germany? mnemoc?
23:29 < rxr> fake: how did you fill the channel data into mythtv?
23:32 < rxr> ah - mythchannels seems to be what I want like to have ...
23:32  * netrunner taking advantage of his wlan, lying in bed, watching final fantasy.
23:32 < rxr> the vanilla channel editor can not be called channel "editor"
23:34 < rxr> "one with mythtv CVS at 05/08/2003 - This code is here just for reference, is not longer maintained!! "
23:35 < rxr> ??? - haeh? I have no scan facility, what is he speaking about ... ?!?!
23:39 < jsaw> mythfilldatabase --manual?
23:43 < rxr> jsaw: do you also use mythtv?
23:43 < netrunner> my dog (sleeping between my legs) dreams that it's running, cute :)
23:43 < netrunner> ouch, it's kicking me!
23:43 < rxr> "mythfilldatabase --manual" does only try to download files from the inet ...
23:44 < jsaw> jsaw: nope, just ran across an arcticle a couple of weeks ago...
23:44 < rxr> jsaw: they even got a patch to add a useful channel editor nearly 1 year ago!!!
23:44 < rxr> even with scan support
23:44 < rxr> the included channel editor is just pure crap
23:45 < rxr> every value needs to be entered in
23:45 < rxr> as if I want to specify 10
23:45 < jsaw> sounds strange... but the fact that mythfilldatabase is mainly for north america says it all, doesn't it
23:45 < rxr> + values for all of the ~19 stations ...
23:45 < jsaw> ?
23:45 < rxr> yes
23:45 < rxr> jsaw: there was a stray \n in my last /msg ...
23:45 < jsaw> :)
23:46 < rxr> http://www.elserrat.com/MythTV/MythChannels/
23:46 < rxr> ^- this is what I want - and was availble in Aug last year!
23:46 < jsaw> (btw, I'm not even using xawtv, PC is b0rken...)
23:46 < rxr> I do not think it will apply to current releases ...
23:48 < netrunner> damn. could somebody please invent a remote cd changer?
23:48 < jsaw> just buy one
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23:49 < rxr> ok - the mythtv devels are morons 
23:50  * rxr making note ot nver patch a feature into mythtv ...
23:50  * rxr adding "adding video streaming and DVB support into gsmp" to the TODO
23:50 < rxr> how can people develop a DVB applications over serveral years without a convieneient way to edit the channels - leave alone simple scanning ...
23:51 < rxr> even a 80 line command line app does do this ...
23:57 < jsaw> rxr: ever looked at gstreamer?
23:58 < rxr> yes, no comment ...
23:58 < jsaw> ?
23:58 < rxr> ugly crappy seg-faulting C code ...
23:58 < mnemoc> your beloved ansi-C?
23:58 < rxr> oh - that was a comment ...
23:58 < jsaw> might be, however the concept is nice
23:59 < rxr> mnemoc: C can be used for some rare things ...
23:59 < rxr> GSMP was similar conectps - in high level C++ ...
23:59 < rxr> it is just that the authors do everything but just do not find time for coding ...
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