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--- Log opened Fri Jul 23 00:00:54 2004 00:06 -!- StefanG [~StefanG@port-212-202-36-165.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:18 < rxr> hm - if I see this synthomps right, there is some bug in 2.1 that prevents gcc from compiling some C++ files here. 00:18 < rxr> for one GCC ICEs when run with the wrappers - and the other never finishes - also not after 30 minutes ... 00:18 < rxr> this also does happen with BYPASS enabled ... 00:18 < rxr> but not with I compile without in the rock chroot and wrappers ... 00:18 < daja77> rxr: that rocknet stuff happens in 2.0.2 too 00:19 < rxr> but well - I just save my nerves and continue compiling it myself ... 00:19 < rxr> daja77: I know ... 00:19 < daja77> k. 00:20 < daja77> can it be fixed by creating an empty file called default? 00:21 < rxr> an empty profile, yes .. 00:21 < rxr> but it should be fixed correctly - later when I feel to ... 00:33 < daja77> sure, i just want to give away that box without producing confusing error messages 00:38 < rxr> ah 00:38 < rxr> just name the card's profile default 00:38 < rxr> or does it not include network cards? 00:38 * rxr off into kitchen ... 00:38 < daja77> it is called eth0 atm iirc 00:40 < mnemoc> eth(eth0) ? 00:41 < daja77> or that 00:42 < mnemoc> that doesn't make much sense considering init.d/network calls only "default" profile 00:42 < mnemoc> using eth0(default) is ugly if you have only one profile :) 00:43 < daja77> indeed 00:43 < daja77> anyway n8 00:43 < mnemoc> n8 daja77 :) 00:43 < owl> gn8 daja77 00:52 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - the profile check need to be improved 00:52 < rxr> eth0(default) is the work around ... 01:02 < rxr> seems one of the next kernels will miss devfs ... 01:03 < mnemoc> what? 01:03 < mnemoc> they will drop it? 01:06 -!- nookie [~nookie@M197P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 01:07 < nookie> rxr: you there? 01:07 < rxr> half asleep 01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems to be very likely 01:07 < nookie> ah, ok 01:07 < rxr> mnemoc: seems they want to delay a 2.7 branch - and merge mayor stuff in 2.6 01:08 < rxr> GKH immediately sent a devfs removal patch 01:08 < rxr> linux-kernel is in flames now - abd IIRC the patch already applied in the -mm tree ... 01:11 < rxr> so /me off into bed ... cu 01:13 < owl> gn8 rxr 01:33 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.245.248.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:33 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:33 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:33 [Users #rocklinux] 01:33 [ [anders]] [ Freak ] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ StefanG ] [ valentin_] 01:33 [ blindy ] [ hannes_] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla] [ th ] 01:33 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 01:33 [ dsoul ] [ kasc ] [ netrunne1] [ rxr_ ] [ true ] 01:33 [ fake ] [ Lorini ] [ nookie ] [ SMP ] [ valentin] 01:33 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 26 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 26 normal] 01:33 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:33 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 01:36 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.223.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:44 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.223.214.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:03 -!- nookie [~nookie@M197P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:03 -!- nookie [~nookie@M197P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:32 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M324P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 03:48 -!- nookie [~nookie@M197P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958FB90.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803A8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 07:12 < netrunne1> when we take existing patches from somewhere, shall we place a note inside? 07:12 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 07:13 < SMP> netrunner: doing so would be good practice anyway 07:14 < netrunner> mk 07:14 * netrunner learning for the last (written) exam this semester: project organisation and -management. 08:26 < netrunner> hm. 1300 builds total, 863 completed fine, 79 with errors. 08:31 < netrunner> hm, jsaw was bored yesterday :) 08:32 < blindy> moin 08:33 < netrunner> hi blindy 08:36 < blindy> moin netrunner 08:40 * blindy not making friends on the mailinglist again :/ 08:43 -!- selam [~timu@212.174.223.163] has joined #rocklinux 08:44 < selam> hii 08:44 < blindy> hi selam 09:06 < blindy> oh 09:09 < blindy> it's sysadmin appreciation day soon 09:50 -!- De_Elsasser_ [~eric@ANancy-110-1-24-167.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 10:09 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: [anders], Freak, true, mistik1, kasc, SMP 10:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc, [anders], Freak, SMP, true, mistik1 10:29 * blindy yawns 11:23 < rxr_> cpuburn sucks 11:24 < rxr_> I have a box where executables fail (segfault produce errors) randomly 11:24 < rxr_> and cpuburn now runs for hours and has not yet noticed an error ... 11:24 < blindy> moin rxr 11:24 -!- You're now known as rxr 11:24 < rxr> moin blindy 11:27 < rxr> this damn msnbot*.search.msn.com - they reindex and reindex my sites 11:27 < rxr> on a nearly daily bases 11:28 < rxr> I think I block those damn hosts soon - they pull ontent GB-wise from my servers ... 11:28 < blindy> daily? 11:28 < blindy> I get google hits on my site BY THE MINUTE 11:29 < rxr> hits be reffering 11:30 < rxr> or "hits" by indexing? 11:30 < blindy> indexing 11:30 -!- nookie [~nookie@M308P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 11:30 < blindy> googlebot visits today: 2686 11:33 < rxr> I also get many googlebot hits - but they do not repull my wohle sites every few days ... 11:34 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M324P030.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:35 < blindy> googlebot used to because I use a text-counter on the site for penis-enlargement reasons 11:35 < rxr> only on dl.rocklinux.... msnbots pulled >1.5GB this month ! 11:35 < blindy> then I reprogrammed it not to display anything if the REMOTE_HOST was .*google.* 11:35 < blindy> rxr: ouch... robots.txt? 11:36 < blindy> rxr: use it for restricting access to the actual download directory 11:36 < rxr> theoretically I want to be indexed - just that the MSN crap his horrible broken and does not seem to notive static content correctly 11:36 < rxr> and the crappy bot should not index binary files ... 11:36 < rxr> as google does nither (AFAIK) 11:37 < blindy> I'm not sure if I want to be indexed on msn :) 11:37 < SMP> MSN might be the next big thing 11:37 < blindy> SMP: yes, right after Duke Nukem Forever is released 11:38 < rxr> and also I really like to sell expensive Linux stuff to M$ customers ... ;-) 11:38 < SMP> MS is really desperate about gaining marked share over Google - and they might just be on the right track 11:39 < SMP> but we're blocking msnbot, too, for the moment :> 11:40 < blindy> hm... I'm not really following the "what's the best searchengine"-debate 11:42 < rxr> ok - new robot.txt - for dump bots that do not recognize binary files ... 11:42 < rxr> SMP: you will not be at the dev-meeting, I guess? 11:43 < SMP> yes, I won't 11:43 < rxr> hm - compiling Qt related stuff on a K6-2@350Mhz is no fun ... 11:44 * rxr off getting rolls and such ... 11:44 < rxr> cu later 11:55 < fake> moin 11:57 < Lorini> moin 11:57 < fake> look what i found: 11:57 < fake> ___________________ 11:57 < fake> < mathilda is back! > 11:57 < fake> ------------------- 11:57 < fake> \ ^__^ 11:57 < fake> \ (oo)\_______ 11:57 < fake> (__)\ )\/\ 11:57 < fake> ||----w | 11:58 < fake> || || 12:02 < fake> yeah, party... 12:14 < blindy> OMG 12:14 < blindy> fake: where did you find her? 12:15 < blindy> brb, gotta play with my V4800 a bit 12:15 -!- nookie [~nookie@M308P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:25 < blindy> re 12:27 < fake> re 12:27 < fake> blindy: https://www.nog.net/~tony/warez/cowsay.shtml 12:28 < rxr> cowsay sucks 12:28 < th> /usr/bin/cowsay 12:28 < th> currently installed 12:29 < th> /usr/src/rock-src/base-config/cowsay <-- and even there ;) 12:30 < SMP> right, cowsay sucks 12:30 < blindy> base-config? 12:30 < th> blindy: yea 12:30 < blindy> oh, 1.6 12:31 < fake> cowsay is a vital part of every linux system. *g* 12:31 < blindy> fake: so why isn't it packaged yet? :P 12:31 < fake> blindy: no idea 12:31 < SMP> blindy: 1.almost-6 12:31 < th> a 1.6-pre3 fork ;) 12:31 < fake> because it sucks ;) 12:31 < SMP> package it and I'll vote 'against' 12:32 < th> SMP: what a package is that? "against"? 12:32 < th> SMP: and how does it correspond to cowsay? 12:32 < SMP> haha 12:32 * fake didn't want to start a riot... 12:33 < th> fake: it's more a holy war 12:33 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: togg 12:47 < th> cowsay should go into sysfiles package... 12:48 < rxr> the time cowsay goes into ROCK I stop using it completely ... 12:49 < blindy> can someone tell me the problem with cowsay? 12:50 < th> some folks quite hypersensitive regarding it 12:52 < SMP> a) it's incredibly annoying to see that cowsay junk pasted on irc 12:53 < SMP> b) it's great fun to fight over 12:54 < rxr> c) especially on #rocklinux huebi already misussed it a lot 12:54 < th> give us anothergive us a d) 12:55 < th> ahhh it's his personal problem with huebi i suppose 12:55 < rxr> ? 12:55 < rxr> no 12:55 < blindy> ok, I can see b) :) 12:55 < rxr> th: just that a) it was incredible annoying to see it pasted over and over ... 12:55 < th> ahh i see 12:55 < th> ok 12:56 < th> ok - i must admit: cowsay could only exist within irc ;) 12:57 < blindy> th: and motd :) 12:59 < fake> ack 13:07 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:08 < SerWou> HELLO GUYS 13:08 < SerWou> I'm a new Rocklinux user since 35min ;) 13:10 < rxr> hi SerWou - nice to hear! 13:10 < SerWou> yes 13:11 < fake> welcome ;) 13:11 < SerWou> So 13:12 < SerWou> i was the RockLinux docs : .Ps, .PDF are only in English, i can translate it to French, is it interesting ? 13:12 < rxr> if you like to, ... 13:12 < rxr> the source is at: 13:12 < fake> c'est bon *g* 13:12 < SerWou> was* = saw ;) 13:12 < rxr> https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/trunk/ 13:13 < rxr> I can warn you that it is quite some work ... - if you start it, please translate the files 1 by 1 and send the result to rene@rocklinux.org 13:13 < SerWou> do you know what is the command to test your 3D perfomanance ? it shows a windows with 3 gears runing 13:13 < SerWou> ok rxr 13:14 < fake> glxgears 13:14 < rxr> glxgears 13:14 < SerWou> ok 13:14 < SerWou> perfect ;) 13:14 < th> SerWou: glxgears 13:14 < SerWou> Thanks 13:14 < SerWou> i'm a Linux newbie ;) 13:15 < rxr> no problem 13:17 < SerWou> ok 13:17 < SerWou> Time to leave my computer 13:17 < SerWou> Gonna work 13:17 < SerWou> See you later guys 13:22 < daja77> re 13:23 < th> oh. mkpkg runs cksum even on devices 13:23 < th> that's bad. cause it might hang 13:23 < th> it does so cause it can put devices into flist 13:26 < th> this happens when a install-process creates device-nodes not under /dev 13:26 < th> (in fact this happens on win4lin install) 13:27 < daja77> win4lin? i thought that was outdated 13:27 < th> outdated? 13:27 < th> you mean discontinued? 13:27 < daja77> or that 13:27 < th> no - it's not. 13:27 < Lorini> toll wir haben nen prof aus chemnitz 13:27 < daja77> :p 13:27 < Lorini> mhr! wrong window 13:28 < owl> hi 13:29 < Lorini> hi owl 13:30 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 13:31 < fake> win4lin is commercial 13:31 < th> yes it is 13:31 < th> why do you tell us? 13:32 < fake> it costs money 13:32 < th> yes it does 13:32 < th> why do you tell us? 13:32 < Lorini> *g* 13:32 < daja77> is it better than say cedega 13:33 < fake> it does bad things 13:33 < fake> i don't want to pay for software that does bad things... 13:33 < th> fake: what bad things does it do? 13:34 < daja77> running windows ^^ 13:34 < th> raising TCO? 13:36 < fake> no, it runs software written for the wrong OS ;) 13:36 < th> that's not a bad thing 13:37 < th> fake: imagine i write a bash script intended to be run on cygwin in windows. so i wrote a script "written for the wrong OS" 13:37 < th> fake: following your theory "bash" does bad things 13:37 < th> fake: cause it runs it 13:37 < fake> th: cygwin is a unixish environment for windows 13:37 < daja77> it does! 13:37 * daja77 hides 13:37 < th> fake: but i wrote my script for windows 13:37 < fake> th: you like discussions, hm? 13:38 < th> fake: sometimes 13:38 < fake> th: running windows emulators/whatever is mostly done to get software to run where no native version exists 13:38 < daja77> he likes evil things *ggg* 13:39 < fake> th: that's something i marked as 'not a nice thing to do' in ma brain 13:39 < fake> writing software for windows exclusively is not a wise stratgey 13:39 < th> fake: emulaters can be used to run things because i want to see how the things work on _their_ native os 13:40 < SMP> fake: it is one that makes money - fast 13:40 < daja77> hehe indeed 13:40 < fake> SMP: in my perception of the world, gathering money is not a favourable goal ;) 13:40 < fake> th: why don't you use wine or qemu? 13:41 < SMP> fake: it is a necessary one 13:41 < th> fake: because they do bad things 13:41 < daja77> we should write rock for windows only, and becoming famous 13:41 < fake> SMP: having s/th to eat is, and being healthy... but having lots of money doens't help anyone... 13:42 < th> fake: how do _you_ get your food? 13:42 < fake> th: and please-apply-this-kernel-patch-win4lin doesn't ? 13:42 < fake> th: me hunt deer in forest. *g* 13:42 < th> fake: i's afraid you'd answer this way 13:43 < th> fake: oh yes - but it does this excelently 13:43 < fake> i think there is a great difference between gathering lots of money and earning a bit money you can save for new hardware... 13:43 * SMP thinks VMware is much better than win4lin 13:43 < fake> *nodnod* 13:43 < SMP> it runs w2k and Solaris ... ;-> 13:44 < SMP> and XP (but I don't) 13:44 < owl> and openbsd 13:44 < fake> but i think given the fact that qemu is OSS it is still favourable... 13:44 < th> SMP: win4lin is more leightweight. which i prefer 13:44 < fake> an the rock livecd ;) 13:44 < th> SMP: and less expensive 13:44 < daja77> it runs solaris for sparc? 13:44 < SMP> daja77: no 13:44 < th> fake: i must admit - i don't know qemu 13:44 < fake> qemu runs darwin for mac os ;) 13:45 < daja77> k. 13:45 < daja77> is solaris/x86 wirth anything? 13:45 < SMP> pearPC runs Darwin/PPC, too ;> 13:45 < SMP> daja77: nice to play with at least 13:45 < fake> th: qemu rocks. it's small, and it's fast (but not the rock linux package - not yet - it runs with software emulated mmu..) 13:45 < daja77> qemu will have sparc support in the future if i got that right 13:46 < fake> and arm and stuff... 13:46 < fake> (but no mips on the todo list :( ) 13:46 < daja77> sounds like you job :p 13:46 < fake> plus you can run binaries for different arches with it 13:46 < netrunner> arg my build aborted due to disk full. 13:46 < daja77> hi netrunner 13:46 < fake> forgot to disable damn gcj? ;) 13:46 * netrunner sings 'where have all the gigas gone ... ' 13:47 < daja77> who made that broken package ... 13:47 * netrunner kicking an old build's ass over the jordan. 13:49 < SMP> th: does .NET run on win4lin? ;-P 13:49 < th> SMP: does it run on w98? 13:52 * rxr starts to hate this damn old slow broken k62 ... 13:52 < SMP> w98 is listed as supported 13:52 * daja77 wondering if .net runs on reactos 13:52 < th> SMP: so "yes" 13:53 < SMP> whoah 13:53 * netrunner wonders if .NET runs on his toothbrush 13:53 < SMP> "Quake II .NET is a version of the popular Quake II game, ported to native and managed C++ using Microsoft® Visual Studio® .NET 2003" 13:53 < th> SMP: you have a full w98 installation in there 13:53 < SMP> th: .NET might be too low-level, I don't know 13:54 < SMP> netrunner: I thought that's what Java was made for ;>) 13:54 < th> SMP: isn't .NET just a java fork? ;-p 13:54 < netrunner> SMP: ok, that explains the coffee strains. 13:56 < SMP> th: .NET is to keep the promises that Java couldn't 13:57 < daja77> hm being portable? *eg* 13:57 < netrunner> fuck, what happened here? ./scripts/Build-Tools: line 112: cc: command not found 13:58 < netrunner> is it the chroot tools? how can I rebuild them= 13:58 < netrunner> s/=/?/ 14:02 < netrunner> oh, I'd say it got removed by -newdelete. 14:03 < th> fake: so you say qemu should be able to run a recent "bad" OS for using native "bad" software? 14:05 < rxr> yes 14:05 < rxr> although not yet as fast as vmware 14:07 < rxr> damn - why am I alsways the one compiling f*cked up code on non-x86 systems 14:07 < rxr> can't they keep there damn x86ism out of the code ...*sigh* 14:08 < netrunner> rxr: because most people have x86 hw? 14:08 < daja77> because ppc gets less attractive ... 14:08 < th> not as fast as in vmware? uhhh. so i should stay at win4lin 14:11 * netrunner likes those female features. 'oh, I am hungry' - 'ok, I'll cook something' 14:11 < netrunner> hm. now again my usb mouse has x/y reverted. 14:12 < th> which "bad" office version would run in a recent wine? 14:13 < fake> th: yes 14:13 < SMP> netrunner: turn the plug around? ;-> 14:13 < th> fake: i asked "which" 14:14 < fake> th: "yes" as answer to the prev. question 14:14 * fake answers in order ;) 14:14 < fake> th: no idea, i'm absolutely happy with OpenOffice... 14:15 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs1.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:15 < th> fake: it's not ME to be happy 14:15 < th> fake: i'm perfectly happy with vim and my pdf-generator... it's about pleasing customers. 14:15 < fake> th: i c 14:16 < th> fake: so do you have information about wine and office without that crossover commercial wine-office-packs? 14:16 < fake> th: not really 14:16 < th> ok 14:16 < fake> i once tried office 2000 or so 14:16 < fake> excel and word were... okay. 14:16 < fake> didn't really dig deep though 14:16 < th> "... okay" or "okay"? 14:17 < fake> ...... well, to be honest, i started it, and that's it ;) 14:17 < fake> (iirc the splash screen caused some screen buggyness ;) 14:17 < fake> wine is only useful for games (tm) 14:23 < th> so i really don't need wine i suppose 14:24 < th> so there is only qemu left 14:24 < rxr> wine is not only for games ... 14:25 < rxr> many applications run in it ... 14:25 < fake> notepad! 14:25 < rxr> nonsense 14:25 < fake> minesweeper! 14:25 < rxr> IE, Office, Flash* ... 14:25 < rxr> take a look at the homepage ... 14:25 < fake> reliably? usably? 14:25 < rxr> usable 14:25 * fake likes wine 14:25 < rxr> and this was even some years ago ... 14:26 < fake> i'm just saying: if you have an alternative, take it 14:26 < fake> wine is the last resort 14:26 < th> rxr: regarding office the homepage pushes one to crossover 14:26 < th> which is commercial 14:26 < rxr> just e.g. AutoCAD did not run because of too heaviy OLE* s.t. usage 14:26 < rxr> oh - really? That sucks ... 14:26 < rxr> but it used to run in Wine ... 14:26 < th> rxr: which vefrsions? 14:27 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-107.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:28 < th> rxr: i mean: which version did you test and was running "usable" 14:28 < rxr> the 2000 one or so ... 14:28 < th> ok 14:29 < th> so i could reconsider... but it's quite dissapointing that they link to crossover for office 14:29 < fake> https://www.frankscorner.org/winetools/about.html 14:31 < rxr> ack 14:31 < th> fake: uhhh. it's providing native windows applications. i doubt that it's legal 14:31 < th> hmm 14:31 < th> perhaps winmine is free 14:32 < th> or notepad 14:32 < rxr> https://www.winehq.org/site?ss=1 14:32 < daja77> notepad reminds me of a textedit widget sample ... 14:33 < rxr> https://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?catId=0 14:33 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-028.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:33 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:35 < th> ohh there is a Xdialog? 14:35 < th> why is linux kernel using tcl/tk then? 14:36 < fake> th: make xconfig ? 14:36 < th> yes 14:36 < fake> or even make qtconfig or make kconfig (can't remember) 14:37 -!- selam [~timu@212.174.223.163] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 14:37 < daja77> it could be worse, it could use qt... 14:37 < th> xconfig: symlinks 14:37 < th> $(MAKE) -C scripts kconfig.tk 14:37 < th> wish -f scripts/kconfig.tk 14:37 < fake> th: oh 14:37 < SMP> daja77: it _does_ use qt in 2.6 14:38 < daja77> SMP: i know 14:38 < daja77> ok that tk stuff sucks anway 14:38 < SMP> (or gtk) 14:38 < th> hmmm. now wine made the whole screen BLACK 14:38 < th> i just told winetools to install core fonts 14:38 < daja77> yeah make gconfig *puke* 14:38 < fake> th: nice color, hm? ;) 14:39 < rxr> I think I thow this f*cking k62 out of the window - I hope noone is standing under my window 14:39 < rxr> oh - wait - it is valentin's box ... 14:39 < th> /usr/bin/wine-preloader /usr/bin/wine-kthread /home/th/winetools/fonts/andale32.exe 14:39 < th> hmmm 14:39 * rxr pushing the box in a corner to carry it back the next time and pushing it into some corner where it can continue to RIP 14:39 < netrunner> rxr: how can I rebuild the cc that is used by the build tools? 14:40 < th> now it crashed my x 14:40 < fake> ... 14:40 < rxr> netrunner: I would need to look into the code ... 14:41 < netrunner> never mind 14:43 < rxr> 14:08 < netrunner> rxr: because most people have x86 hw? 14:43 < rxr> one can also write portable code - no matter what one has ... 14:44 < rxr> 14:08 < daja77> because ppc gets less attractive ... 14:44 < rxr> g5 are quite attractive ... 14:44 < th> rxr: but this could cost more work 14:45 < daja77> rxr: with waater cooling, no thx 14:45 < rxr> hm - strange this damn user apps crash randomly box 14:45 < rxr> does survive cpuburn and memtest86+ - this get's boring 14:45 < rxr> wonders if there is s.th. in 2.6.7 that does not like this box ... 14:45 < th> hmmm winetools don't crash randomly - they crash for sure. 14:45 < rxr> daja77: only the fastest one has water cooling ... 14:45 < daja77> rxr: what I meant is, your ibook works nice with linux, newer ones not, and the prices are still too high 14:46 < rxr> the dual 2.xGhz one ... 14:46 < rxr> the recent ones work, too. Just no Suspend to RAM yet, and no airport extreme 14:47 < rxr> and it is not apples fault that we do not have the Broadcom specs nor the ATI specs for suspend to ram wakeup with recent Radeon chips .. 14:47 < rxr> and iBooks are not expensive 14:48 < rxr> and the top g5 model only has water cooling to be as quite as all g5 boxes ... 14:48 < daja77> it is their fault to ship that stuff 14:48 < daja77> it is their decision 14:49 < daja77> if i want non working hw with linux i could stick to pc hw as well 14:50 < rxr> huh? it is working 14:50 < daja77> hm 14:50 < rxr> and you do not need to plug a Airport extreme into it - just put a USB WiFI adapter in it ... 14:50 < rxr> then only Suspend to RAM is left - and this dos not work on most x86 either 14:50 < daja77> ack 14:51 < rxr> and you still have 5h+ battery life and so on ... 14:51 < daja77> does the small one still has nvidia graphics card? 14:51 < daja77> <- want a small laptop 14:51 < rxr> yep :-( 14:52 < daja77> i'll have a look after exams ... 14:53 < jsaw> does anybody have compile problems of xine with compilers other than 3.4? 14:54 < rxr> oehm - compiled yesterday on a amd k62 ... 14:54 < rxr> w/ gcc-3.2.3 14:54 < jsaw> (3.4 with -Os fails due to wrong register assignment in goom...) 14:55 < daja77> -Os is considered evil 14:56 < jsaw> my system (2.0.something) is compiled with -Os and I have no problems 14:57 < daja77> i was unsure if in 3.4 builds some faults were due 3.4 in general or due -Os 14:57 < jsaw> mainly mmx related... 14:58 < fake> jsaw: yes 14:58 < fake> jsaw: that zoom_filter_xmmx, right? 14:58 < jsaw> right 14:58 < jsaw> I disabled -O.* stuff in CC_WRAPPER_{INSERT,REMOVE}, now it's okay... 14:59 < jsaw> s/disabled/removed/ 14:59 < rxr> jsaw: coould you report that at bugs.gcc... ? 14:59 < rxr> with preprocessed source ... so we get that fixed? 14:59 < jsaw> freebsd and co did it 14:59 < jsaw> already 15:00 < jsaw> rxr: I have a xine.conf file which removes this for gcc 3.4 15:00 < jsaw> hey now even totem builds, *yes* 15:01 < jsaw> 88 open patches, trying hard to get over 100... 15:02 < SMP> oh 15:03 < SMP> jsaw: I didn't look too closely - you're sending Gnome 2.6.2 patches, right? 15:03 < jsaw> yep 15:03 < jsaw> and some stuff along this 15:05 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has joined #rocklinux 15:05 < rxr> damn x86 cpu heatsinks - I nearly destroyed a mainboard due to not getting it from the k62 ... 15:07 < th> rxr: what are x86 heatsinks? 15:08 < rxr> the crappy ones sold for x86 mainboards ... 15:09 < rxr> compared to higher quality products in non-x86 systems .. 15:09 < rxr> ones where one does not destroy the PCB while trying to remove it ... 15:09 < th> and what about comparing to higher quality products in x86 sysmtes? 15:10 < ringo> fujitsu siemens is ok 15:10 < th> you seem to be comparing x86-crap with non-x86-quality 15:10 < th> dell stuff too 15:10 < th> ibm stuff too 15:10 < rxr> I currenty rant about the one in this k62 boars specifically, yes ... ;-) 15:10 < rxr> kicks the box 15:11 < ringo> productive, kicking :) 15:12 * fake entered stage 5... 15:13 < rxr> ok - after much time memtest86+ shows errors on the box ... 15:14 < ringo> c00l :( 15:15 < rxr> hm - the RAM is getting quite hot ... 15:15 < ringo> I must clean up my cable mess ... 15:16 < ringo> dyn ram dissapates quite a lot power. 15:16 < ringo> refresh 15:28 < th> hmm OOo-1.1.2 is not able to read OOo-1.1.1 correctly without messing with positioning 15:28 < th> i think i dislike all WYSIWYG word-processing applications 15:37 -!- De_Elsasser_ [~eric@ANancy-110-1-24-167.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:39 < rxr> ok - with suffled run the box now passes memtest86+ longer ... 15:42 < rxr> s/run/ram/ 15:42 < rxr> so - rebooting the well beloved box into linux again ... 15:50 < ringo> a fan on top of it might help 16:02 < rxr> the box should stay loudless - and attempts to replace the CPU fan with a larger on failed because it is not possible to get the fan from the mainboard easily - it has some ugly "clipps" that need quite some viloence to losse ... 16:04 < daja77> sell that box on ebay and buy a new one ;) 16:06 < rxr> it is not mine - and only used for some testing ... 16:06 < daja77> ic 16:23 < netrunner> jsaw is still bored :) 16:24 < jsaw> ? 16:24 < netrunner> jsaw: so many patches .) 16:25 < jsaw> just trying to hit 100... 16:25 < netrunner> jsaw: it's your fault that my build broke. 16:25 < jsaw> really? 16:25 < jsaw> what broke? 16:25 < netrunner> I ran -newdelete after applying your patches, and something vital got removed. 16:26 < netrunner> jsaw: nothing directly broken by you :) 16:26 < jsaw> I usually delete 0 and 1 stages 16:26 < jsaw> that cures this problem 16:26 < netrunner> maybe it's the -dry-run for -newdelete patch ... 16:26 < netrunner> jsaw: how? just the logs? 16:26 < jsaw> yes 16:27 < jsaw> well, you may still encounter errors: 16:27 < jsaw> [0] base/binutils [0] base/gcc34 16:27 < jsaw> but these were not vital (after this [01]-* delete) 16:28 < jsaw> see 2004072315195223934, that might have been your problem. 16:28 < netrunner> I have a shared from 0-gcc34 anyway iirc 16:28 < jsaw> yes, exactly 16:29 < jsaw> (flist is kept, so...) 16:29 < jsaw> but doesn't matter, as 0-1 stages do not yield packages 16:30 < mnemoc> moin 16:30 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 16:30 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 16:30 < jsaw> anybody knows the difference between openhbci and openhbci2? 16:35 < rxr> nope 16:35 < mnemoc> the trailing '2'? 16:35 < mnemoc> hi rxr 16:35 < jsaw> I mean, if these major versions do make a difference... 16:36 < rxr> hi mnemoc 16:36 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-7-82.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 16:36 < De_Elsasser> hilli halla 16:37 < jsaw> hi De_Elsasser 16:37 < jsaw> <- brb 16:37 < daja77> moin De_Elsasser 16:37 < De_Elsasser> hullu jsaw and daja77 16:38 < De_Elsasser> I found the ultimative window manager 16:38 < De_Elsasser> ratpoison (oder rattengift) 16:39 < daja77> hehe 16:40 < De_Elsasser> it makes take a little time to go, but it goes well 16:43 < De_Elsasser> when rxr is ok, I try to write a "package" 16:43 < th> De_Elsasser: you should try ion and pekwm as well 16:43 < rxr> De_Elsasser: hm ? what is with me? 16:43 < th> De_Elsasser: was ratpoison the splitting one? 16:44 < daja77> ratpoison, ithought we have a package 16:44 < De_Elsasser> th: ion is make, bad 16:44 < th> De_Elsasser: it is "make"? 16:45 < rxr> made I guess 16:45 < th> rxr: then i don't see the reason for "," 16:45 < De_Elsasser> heu, is verified 16:46 < rxr> th: I have not written that ;-) 16:46 < th> rxr: but the "," does not match with your "made" suggestion ;> 16:46 < De_Elsasser> daja77: are you sure? 16:47 < th> De_Elsasser: no he is not 16:47 < rxr> th: I got that - it was just a suggestion ... 16:47 < th> ;-) 16:49 < daja77> hm grep found no package, maybe i confused it with sth else 16:50 < De_Elsasser> daja77: I did it, that why I wondered 16:53 < De_Elsasser> th: ratpoison and pekwm are 2 different thinks 16:54 < th> De_Elsasser: i know this 16:54 < th> De_Elsasser: why do you tell me? 16:55 < De_Elsasser> th> De_Elsasser: you should try ion and pekwm as well 16:56 < th> De_Elsasser: i know what i said 16:56 < th> De_Elsasser: does this sentence imply that i think pekwm is the same like ratpoison? 16:57 < th> De_Elsasser: i even did not mention ratpoison 16:57 < De_Elsasser> but ion 16:57 < th> yes 16:57 < th> so? 16:57 < th> i mentioned ion and pekwm. 16:58 < De_Elsasser> ion is ratpoison like 16:58 < th> i know that 16:58 < th> let's stop that - i won't get your point, i'm afraid 17:03 < jsaw> if somebody's interested: gcc 3.3.4 is out 17:03 * jsaw off now 17:03 < jsaw> cu guys! 17:03 < rxr> cu jsaw 17:03 * rxr finally of into the kitchen - eating ... 17:03 < fake> cu jsaw! 17:23 < De_Elsasser> cu all 17:23 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-7-82.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["leaving"] 17:39 < daja77> these damn outlook poster on rtai ml 17:42 < owl> gnarf. 17:42 < owl> Intel Corp.: Unknown device 4220 << someone knows this wlan-card? *grml* 17:44 < daja77> centrino perhaps 17:45 < owl> yeah. centrino... but why such a crappy output from lspci? 17:45 < daja77> perhaps too old 17:46 < owl> hmm. k. 17:47 < owl> thx anyway. might groogle.com gave me the correct hint 17:49 < fake> owl: ipw2100.sf.net 17:49 < owl> fake: nope. i don't think this will work... my notebook - pardon my leihnotebook - has this wlan-dev... but not such a crappy output 17:53 < fake> owl: pci id database too old? 17:54 < owl> fake: dunno... but - how to update it? 17:54 < owl> or better: how is it clalled? 17:55 < fake> owl: update kernel and lspci utility 17:55 < fake> iirc 17:56 < owl> kernel: 2.6.7 17:57 < owl> but lspci.. should be not too old... (slack 10.0) 18:00 -!- ringo [ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4FE5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FB90.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 18:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 18:03 < fake> == 07/23/04 15:48:34 =[5]=> Finished building package glibc23. 18:03 < fake> owl: maybe you find a webpage with a descr. of the notebook 18:03 < fake> (that glibc23 stage 5 is sparc64 ...) 18:04 < owl> fake: hmm. yeah. 18:04 < mnemoc> fake: how many errors until now? 18:05 < fake> 255 builds total, 87 completed fine, 7 with errors. 18:06 < fake> strace, parted, netkit-telnet (?), lvm (2.6 headers in /usr/include) 18:06 < fake> so only 3 important pkgs: netkit-telnet, silo and dietlibc (but only in stage 1 - stage 3 was fine) 18:06 < fake> oh, and gdb 18:07 < mnemoc> that sounds _very_ promising 18:07 < fake> jup... once i added -Wa,-Av9a and -mno-app-regs to gcc-options 18:08 < mnemoc> oh 18:11 < rxr> this damn video playes 19:00 < netrunner> now that I wonder why my 2-gcc34 runs for an hour, I notice that it stopped ... 19:01 < netrunner> /bin/sh: error while loading shared libraries: /bin/sh: undefined symbol: __guard 19:01 < netrunner> weird. 19:01 < netrunner> I think I'll remove the complete build and redo it. 19:03 < owl> baabwaaaah! guys, you have one large problem with rock... the default "konsole"-colors are white!!! 19:03 < owl> *getting eyecancer* 19:03 < true> poor owl ;) 19:03 < owl> true: * 19:03 < owl> *kick* 19:04 < mnemoc> poor blind owl 19:04 < th> owl: you mean kde-konsole background? 19:04 < owl> th: yeah. 19:05 < owl> hmm... and my backspace doesn't work... 19:05 < mnemoc> isn't it cute? 19:05 < owl> mnemoc: white bg? *puke* 19:05 < mnemoc> mine is pink with green letters ;p 19:06 < owl> muahahahaha. i don't believe you ;p 19:06 < mnemoc> :D 19:06 < owl> but a working backsappace would be great *grml* 19:07 < th> owl: just don't strike the wrong keys. you won't need a backspace. 19:07 < owl> haeh???? doesnt dunderstand anything... 19:07 < owl> th: huh? 19:07 < mnemoc> it's your fault to need the backspace, don't blame us 19:07 < th> owl: make no mistakes - don't use backspace 19:08 < owl> th: *kick* 19:08 < owl> i don't want to use "back-cruscursor, and entf" :p 19:09 < th> owl: don't use "entf" either! 19:09 < th> owl: strike your keys and hit enter 19:09 < owl> and: tdefault "call me if you want to config your system tool" is stone? 19:09 < owl> th: *kick* :p 19:10 < owl> if yes (stone is our beloved config-tool, ) then i have to report a bug! 19:11 < th> send patch 19:11 < owl> i wont. 19:11 < th> why? 19:11 < owl> cuz i 'm not willed to do development in rock anymore 19:12 < owl> i saw it asome minutes... see what doesn't work per default and will grab my slackware cds soon to install slack again, in some minutes 19:12 < owl> or: you can help me ;p 19:12 < th> owl: install whatever you want ;) 19:13 < owl> bash-2.05b# stone 19:13 < owl> /usr/sbin/stone: line 68: /dev/fd/62: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden 19:13 < owl> /usr/sbin/stone: line 1: 809 Done grep -h '^# \[MAIN\] [0-9][0-9] ' $SETUPD/mod_*.sh 19:13 < netrunner> hm ... https://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2004-02/msg02539.html 19:13 < owl> 810 Datenübergabe unterbrochen (broken pipe) | sort 19:13 < owl> Error: Expected at least 6 tokens for --menu, have 4. 19:13 < owl> Use --help to list options. 19:13 < th> owl: cd /dev ; ln -s /proc/self/fd 19:13 < th> owl: that bug is fixed already i think. 19:13 < mnemoc> owl: that did you installed there? 19:13 < owl> hm. k. self n/a 19:13 < th> (at least in stable) 19:14 < owl> mnemoc: i installed a it from a "linux intern" -cd my dad gave me 19:14 < owl> 2.0.2-x86-pentiumpro-32-desktop-expert 19:15 < th> who did that build? 19:15 < owl> dunno? 19:15 < owl> guessing - rene? 19:16 < th> not for 2.0.2 19:16 < th> at least no official released bins 19:17 < owl> hmmm. then i have no clue. i just know that erthere is a n interview in the magazine with him... so i'm guessing 19:17 < th> k 19:17 < th> just set the link 19:17 < owl> uf tgere would be a /proc/self, then i would be able to set it 19:18 < owl> aehm. correction. if proc would be mounted , i would be see a /rpproc/self maybe 19:18 < owl> interesting... the /etdcc/fstab is empt y too 19:19 < owl> aeh. 2.0.2 isn't stable, i hope, yeah? 19:19 < th> owl: yes it is 19:19 < th> owl: perhaps you just forgot to mount /proc? 19:19 < owl> ok ... 19:19 < th> owl: did you chroot into it? 19:19 < th> owl: or did you already boot? 19:19 < owl> nope. i did a "confgiure etc/fstab " automatically... when installed it 19:20 < owl> i already booted it... and i'm running kde currently on it... but aehm. yeah. strange behaviouer 19:20 < th> i never touch the /etc/fstab when installing ;) 19:20 < th> owl: kde is up and /proc is not mounted? 19:20 < owl> sorry. i have to got to a shoip, buiying a new brush 19:20 < owl> eahyeah :) 19:20 < owl> till i mounted it... 19:20 < th> owl: so fix your fstab 19:21 < owl> and now i have a strange mtab, too 19:21 < owl> bash-2.05b# cat /etc/mtab 19:21 < owl> /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd /mnt/cdrom iso9660 ro 0 0 19:21 < owl> proc /proc proc rw 0 0 19:21 < th> owl: i never touch fstab when installing 19:21 < owl> hmm. k. 19:21 < owl> nah. i will try maybe rock in another version... 19:21 < owl> but - not toaday. ... might at the dev-meeting, if yosomeone gives me a cds 19:21 < owl> et 19:21 < owl> gnarf. ihating this keyboard. 19:21 < owl> nee dbbrush. bye . (will be back soon) 19:22 < owl> 3~ 19:22 < mnemoc> cu owl 19:22 < owl> arhm. jyeah... now i have schinease letters in my screen... 19:22 < owl> O_o 19:46 < netrunner> clip gives cksum error 19:58 < rxr> re 20:30 -!- Lorini_ [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #RockLinux 20:35 -!- daja77 [[kA+IDnS+R@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:35 -!- daja77 [[V62UQWDgu@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:36 < rxr> cool - now I distcc my stuff from the K6-2 box to my Athlon-XP 2500 - this feels better 20:36 < rxr> no boring tee nipping while waiting for C++ code to get compiled ... 20:38 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:42 < netrunner> rxr: you won't write a howto, will you? 20:48 < fake> 255 builds total, 93 completed fine, 7 with errors. 20:48 < fake> wee 20:49 * netrunner is the neverending source of weird build problems: i686-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc-34: 5-01/objdir/linuxthreads: No such file or directory 20:51 < fake> netrunner: wipe your tree and start again - you are having very strange problems 20:52 < netrunner> fake: I just did so. transferred the tree to another comp. :/ 20:52 < fake> get a new checkout and apply the several fixes in sm... 20:53 < netrunner> may I quote the petunia? 20:53 < fake> petunia? isn't that some kind of flower? 20:53 < fake> ;) 20:53 < netrunner> you don't know it? 20:54 < fake> depends what 'it' referrs to 20:55 < netrunner> OSDN : SourceForge - Shop ThinkGeek - freshmeat - Newsletters - TechJobs - Slashdot Broadband Search » X 20:55 < netrunner> Login 20:55 < netrunner> Why Login? 20:55 < netrunner> Why Subscribe? 20:55 < netrunner> Sections 20:55 < netrunner> Main 20:55 < netrunner> Apache 20:55 < netrunner> Apple 20:55 < netrunner> Askslashdot 20:55 < netrunner> 1 more 20:55 < netrunner> Books 20:55 < netrunner> BSD 20:56 < netrunner> Developers 20:56 < netrunner> Games 20:56 < netrunner> 11 more 20:56 < netrunner> Interviews 20:56 < netrunner> Science 20:56 < netrunner> 3 more 20:56 < netrunner> YRO 20:56 < netrunner> 20:56 < netrunner> Help 20:56 < netrunner> FAQ 20:56 < netrunner> Bugs 20:56 < netrunner> Stories 20:56 < netrunner> Old Stories 20:56 < netrunner> Old Polls 20:56 < netrunner> Topics 20:56 < netrunner> Hall of Fame 20:56 < netrunner> Submit Story 20:56 < netrunner> About 20:56 < netrunner> Supporters 20:56 < netrunner> Code 20:56 < netrunner> Awards 20:56 < netrunner> Services 20:56 < netrunner> Broadband 20:56 < netrunner> Online Books 20:57 < netrunner> PriceGrabber 20:57 < netrunner> Product News 20:57 < netrunner> Tech Jobs 20:57 < fake> netrunner: we are not doing stats anymore ... 20:57 < netrunner> IT Research 20:57 < netrunner> New Cast Information For 'Hitchhiker's' Movie 20:57 < netrunner> Posted by timothy on Sun Feb 22, '04 04:18 PM 20:57 < netrunner> from the movie-with-a-heart-of-gold dept. 20:57 < netrunner> Kathleen writes "I was listening to the old Hitchiker's radio plays, and feeling nostalgic, I decide to check out how the movie version was going along. Well, they've filled out some important parts, Zaphod and Marvin have been cast. Zaphod is played by Sam Rockwell who's most recently been in Matchstick Men and Confessions of a Dangerous Mind. Marvin is being played by Warwick Davis (Who was Willow Ufgood in Willow). Slartibartfast wil 20:57 < netrunner> 20:57 < netrunner> Slashdot Login 20:57 < netrunner> Nickname: 20:57 < netrunner> Password: 20:57 < netrunner> Public Terminal 20:57 < netrunner> [ Create a new account ] 20:57 < netrunner> Related Links 20:57 < netrunner> · Online Multimedia Books 20:57 < netrunner> · Kathleen 20:57 < netrunner> · Sam Rockwell 20:57 < netrunner> · Warwick Davis 20:57 < netrunner> · Bill Nighy 20:57 < fake> STOP IT 20:57 < netrunner> · Stephen Moore 20:58 < netrunner> · More Movies stories 20:58 < netrunner> · Also by timothy 20:58 < netrunner> < Remember The Heathkit HERO? 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We are not responsible for them in any way. 20:58 < netrunner> More information (Score:5, Informative) 20:58 < netrunner> by ankit (70020) * on Sunday February 22, @04:19PM (#8357291) 20:58 < netrunner> (https://lucis.net/ | Last Journal: Monday December 22, @12:57AM) 20:58 < netrunner> here/a [slashdot.org] 20:58 < netrunner> Burn Hollywood Burn (Score:3, Insightful) 20:58 < netrunner> by Alan Partridge (516639) on Sunday February 22, @04:28PM (#8357350) 20:58 < netrunner> (Last Journal: Monday February 16, @04:04PM) 20:58 < netrunner> another American atrocity this way comes 20:58 < netrunner> Re:Burn Hollywood Burn (Score:2) 20:58 < netrunner> by HTH NE1 (675604) on Monday February 23, @07:29PM (#8368342) 20:58 < netrunner> I worry that they don't even know the real Ultimate Question and will screw that up, or that they'll try to correct the math in the wrong Question. (That not many people know the real Question, nor that it was stated twice in the third book doesn't bode well.) 20:58 < owl> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. better. much better. having backspace again. 20:58 < netrunner> It would be a pity not to have Stephen Moore. He's been the voice of Marvin for the radio series, the TV series, the song Marvin I Love You, and even did an edition of the books on tape (seek them out if you want to hear him sing "How I Hate The Night"). 20:58 < netrunner> The only other person I think I could accept as Marvin is a male voice actor who has done the voice of Eeyore, like Peter Cullen or Ralph Wright. A deep voice of depression. Warwick Davis I fear would need too much electronic manipulation to get the tone needed which would get in the way of his acting ability as heavy alien makeup gets in the way for actors in front of cameras. (See Paul Blake's (uncredited) portrayal of Greedo, later t 20:58 < netrunner> Though I confess I haven't heard his work lately. The last thing I saw him in that I liked, he was an Ewok (I did not like Willow). 20:58 < fake> SMP: can you kick him please? 20:59 < netrunner> Just a reminder (Score:5, Insightful) 20:59 < netrunner> by rblancarte (213492) on Sunday February 22, @04:50PM (#8357475) 20:59 < netrunner> (https://www.blancarte.com/ron | Last Journal: Friday November 07, @03:58AM) 20:59 < netrunner> Not that you /.ers can be trusted to actually read a page BEFORE commenting on it, but IMDB.com does add this note to projects that are still in the planning stages (like HhGTTG): 20:59 < netrunner> Note: Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely. 20:59 < netrunner> Re:Just a reminder (Score:5, Informative) 20:59 < netrunner> by gbulmash (688770) on Monday February 23, @12:05AM (#8359910) 20:59 < netrunner> (https://www.bulmash.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday December 09, @05:33PM) 20:59 < netrunner> Not that you /.ers can be trusted to actually read a page BEFORE commenting on it, but IMDB.com does add this note to projects that are still in the planning stages (like HhGTTG): "Note: Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change or could be removed completely." 20:59 < netrunner> Worth noting, though, is that if you subscribe to their IMDbPro [imdb.com] web site, they have news items (subscription required) [imdb.com] available from The Hollywood Reporter that confirm the casting of Martin Freeman (Dent), Mos Def (Prefect), Rockwell (Zaphod), and others. It may still not be written in stone, but when it comes from The Hollywood Reporter, it can be considered pretty reputable. 20:59 < netrunner> - Greg 20:59 < netrunner> What's Important (Score:4, Insightful) 20:59 < netrunner> by rpeh (691577) on Sunday February 22, @06:11PM (#8357880) 20:59 < netrunner> It really doesn't matter who plays whom. What's more worrying is that Adams' script is being rewritten. HHGTTG is probably the finest comedy written thus far in human history and the idea that somebody could do better than DNA is tantamount to heresy. 20:59 < netrunner> The main reason the film has never been made is that Adams was never happy with what Hollywod was offering. Do we really thing he'd be happy with some droid scriptwriter massacring his work? 20:59 < netrunner> If The Powers That Be didn't like DNA's script, they don't deserve to benefit from it. 20:59 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1) 20:59 < netrunner> by Threni (635302) on Sunday February 22, @06:44PM (#8358072) 20:59 < netrunner> > The main reason the film has never been made is that Adams was never happy with 21:00 < netrunner> > what Hollywod was offering. Do we really thing he'd be happy with some droid 21:00 < netrunner> > scriptwriter massacring his work? 21:00 < netrunner> I just know this film will suck, but i'll probably go and see it anyway. Well, i'll be checking here and the movies usenet group first. 21:00 < netrunner> But the issue is simply whether or not it'll make money for the people making it. That's the only criterion these days. 21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:5, Insightful) 21:00 < netrunner> by Alan Partridge (516639) on Sunday February 22, @09:12PM (#8358971) 21:00 < netrunner> (Last Journal: Monday February 16, @04:04PM) 21:00 < netrunner> Hollywood depends on idiots like you. You consistently go and see films that you don' t want to see. Have you ever thought about voting with your wallet? 21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1) 21:00 < netrunner> by Threni (635302) on Monday February 23, @03:27AM (#8360614) 21:00 < netrunner> > You consistently go and see films that you don' t want to see. Have you ever 21:00 < netrunner> > thought about voting with your wallet? 21:00 < netrunner> Incorrect. 21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:2) 21:00 < netrunner> by benjymous (69893) on Monday February 23, @04:42AM (#8360792) 21:00 < netrunner> (https://www.grapefruitopia.com/) 21:00 < netrunner> I've often thought it'd be cool if somebody took all the original radio recordings and used them to make an animated version (thinking adult anime, not cutsey kids cartoon) 21:00 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:2) 21:00 < netrunner> by HTH NE1 (675604) on Monday February 23, @07:05PM (#8368084) 21:00 < fake> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH 21:00 < netrunner> Funny, I've thought of actually doing it, but first using stills from the TV series as storyboards for the first six fits. Maybe referencing the comic book edition of the story as well. 21:00 < netrunner> I just wish I had the time and skill to do it. And the more people you try to get organized to do it, the more likely you'll get shut down by the rights holders, even if it is just for your own personal entertainment and not for public consumption. 21:01 < netrunner> Re:What's Important (Score:1) 21:01 < netrunner> by dogbertsd (251551) on Monday February 23, @11:04PM (#8370251) 21:01 < netrunner> While I agree that no real liberties should be taken with the script, you have to consider that the "script" was in about fourteen different versions in various states of revision and written over many years. Each had different bits in different places, conflicting plotlines, and few if any of the scripts were near completion. The whole thing was in serious need of editing and smoothing out. 21:01 < netrunner> His favorite way to write was under extreme pressure, such as the editor was in the sitting room and DNA was typing like a mad man handing over each chapter as it was done for review and editing. Each of his books was a combination of DNA's wit and an editor's wringing. 21:01 < netrunner> DNA was a funny man and a great writer, but punctual and organized (as a writer at least) he was not. 21:01 < netrunner> Dear God ... (Score:1) 21:01 < netrunner> by rholliday (754515) on Sunday February 22, @04:20PM (#8357293) 21:01 < netrunner> (https://www.slashdot.org/~rholliday/ | Last Journal: Sunday February 22, @10:54AM) 21:01 < netrunner> n Speed? 21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:2) 21:01 < netrunner> by ConceptJunkie (24823) on Monday February 23, @08:03PM (#8368702) 21:01 < netrunner> (https://www.zycha.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 25, @10:22PM) 21:01 < netrunner> I'll take mediocrity and the Costner-level of emoting (i.e., he'd have to get worked up to look bored) over the thick, slimy, festering mess that is Jim Carrey. Just reading a review of "The Cable Guy" scarred me for life. Reeves may be a lame actor, but at least he's been in movies I would actually want to watch. 21:01 < netrunner> And let's not even get into how they're completely raping the works of our poor, beloved, late Dr. Seuss. I don't know what's worse, the reptilian smarminess of Jim Carrey or the crushing, leaden unfunniness of Mike Myers, who makes Walter Cronkite look like Robin Williams. 21:01 < fake> CAN SOMEONE PLEASE KICK HIM?? 21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:4, Funny) 21:01 < netrunner> by UserGoogol (623581) on Sunday February 22, @04:44PM (#8357443) 21:01 < netrunner> Be fair. Jim was good in The Cable Guy. 21:01 < netrunner> Re:Missing Data! (Score:5, Funny) 21:01 < netrunner> by focitrixilous P (690813) <psychofarmer0@wackiness.org> on Sunday February 22, @04:55PM (#8357496) 21:02 < netrunner> (https://fred.wackiness.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 07, @09:12PM) 21:02 < netrunner> Jim was good in The Cable Guy. 21:02 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C910.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux [] 21:02 < fake> that's it? 21:04 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C910.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:04 -!- Lorini_ is now known as Lorini 21:04 < netrunner> is it over? 21:06 < fake> yes 21:06 < th> wow 21:06 < fake> it stopped the momen you left 21:06 < th> what was that? 21:06 < netrunner> I must have slipped after copying the line in mozilla so he marked the whole page. 21:06 < fake> a very intelligent client that ciruments flood kick / ignore by sleeping between lines *grml* 21:07 < th> a good moment to test the op 21:07 * fake not op 21:07 < netrunner> it was all sent within a minute. I only heard fake scream but couldn't do anything. 21:07 < fake> and SMP didn't react 21:07 < fake> netrunner: it really stopped the moment you left. 21:07 < fake> your client must have paused it in between 21:07 < netrunner> I think the lines were at the server and were sent from a buffer. when the server realized that I leaved he discarded my lines 21:08 < fake> it doesn't go that slow if i paste s/th 21:08 < netrunner> fake: or in the client, whatever. but I had all my lines and then yours below. 21:08 < fake> _____ 21:08 < fake> < see > 21:08 < fake> ----- 21:08 < fake> \ ^__^ 21:08 < fake> \ (oo)\_______ 21:08 < fake> (__)\ )\/\ 21:08 < fake> ||----w | 21:08 < fake> || || 21:08 * netrunner planning to go back to ircii 21:08 -!- mode/#rocklinux [+o th] by ChanServ 21:08 -!- mode/#rocklinux [-o th] by th 21:09 < netrunner> fake: well, all I wanted to say basically is that the quote is from adam douglas' hitchhickers guide to the galaxy. 21:09 < th> netrunner: my irssi asks me if i really want to paste this, if it's more than 5 lines 21:10 < netrunner> "Oddly enough, the only thought that went through the bowl of petunia's mind was, 'Oh no, not again.'" 21:10 < netrunner> th: not mine. but I'll search for that. 21:10 < th> Irssi 0.8.9 (20031210) - https://irssi.org/ 21:10 < th> netrunner: you should upgrade 21:10 < th> you are at 0.8.6 21:11 < fake> netrunner: oh 21:17 < netrunner> th: *building* 21:18 < th> netrunner: remember: you don't need to exit irssi to change to the new version 21:18 < th> netrunner: no need to reconnect etc 21:18 < th> netrunner: /help upgrade 21:18 < netrunner> ah :) 21:18 < netrunner> well, I am disconnected anyway in an hour or so iirc. 21:19 < th> oh... smells like mandatory disconnect ;) 21:19 < th> .oO(without vpn) 21:20 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C910.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:21 < th> fake: in fact your pasting was delayed. 21:21 < th> fake: 5 lines at once next 3 lines with 2 seconds delay 21:21 < th> (each) 21:38 < rxr> 20:42 < netrunner> rxr: you won't write a howto, will you? 21:38 < rxr> ^- ? 21:38 * rxr is also op - but was away ... 21:42 < rxr> hm - I start to like the distcc 21:43 < rxr> it is a pleasant recovery after all those non or at best half functional Linux DVB application crap .. 22:00 < SMP> d'oh 22:02 < SMP> at least that means a lot new keywords for spiders in the irclogs ;-> 22:03 < fake> rxr: wich dvb apps? 22:07 < mnemoc> rehi 22:14 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C910.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:14 < netrunner> yeah well, the /upgrade only works if you don't install a package linked against a newer glibc than exists on the executing host ;) 22:16 < rxr> fake: do you use some? 22:21 < netrunner> aha, just when I disable this fancy smart optimization my build advances to stage 1 22:25 < netrunner> https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/49377 (german) 22:25 < mnemoc> :( 22:25 -!- luckz is now known as luckzy 22:26 < owl> is it possible to compile qemu with an gui? 22:26 -!- luckzy is now known as luckz 22:27 < netrunner> mnemoc: the site reports from the fight between netfilter and sitecom 22:27 < netrunner> mnemoc: sitecom sells wlan routers that use netfilter (GPL) code in their roms. 22:27 < luckz> mee 22:28 -!- alcyon [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < mnemoc> netrunner: oh 22:28 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has left #rocklinux [] 22:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: netfilter now got an affirmation for the injuction they got in the first run. 22:28 < netrunner> mnemoc: value of the struggle is 100kEur 22:28 < netrunner> s/struggle/law suit/ ;) 22:29 -!- alcyon is now known as luckz 22:29 < mnemoc> i guess i could have been more money 22:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: https://www.netfilter.org/news/2004-04-15-sitecom-gpl.html is english :) 22:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: the new thing is only that it got affirmed in the 2nd run. 22:45 < mnemoc> netrunner: if they start including a copy of GPL with their routers the case is closed? 22:49 < rxr> fake: do you use DVB stuff? 22:53 < SMP> mnemoc: no, they need to either cease selling or start complying with the GPL, which means offering the source 22:53 < mnemoc> the full source of their roms? 22:54 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CDEA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:54 < SMP> the source of anything they linked against or derived from GPL software, as the GPL requires 22:55 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 22:56 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:00 < th> mnemoc: it's on /. too 23:00 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Client Quit] 23:07 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8C910.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:09 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 23:11 < mnemoc> th: there are very interesting comments 23:19 < fake> rxr: sure 23:20 < th> mnemoc: it's /. ;) 23:25 < rxr> fake: and what applications? and what DVB-* variant? 23:28 < jsaw> re 23:28 < jsaw> 1291 builds total, 1184 completed fine, 107 with errors 23:28 < fake> DVB-S with dvb-kernel cvs from linuxtv.org / 2.6.7, mythtv 23:28 < netrunner> hm, everybody want's to be like germany? mnemoc? 23:29 < rxr> fake: how did you fill the channel data into mythtv? 23:32 < rxr> ah - mythchannels seems to be what I want like to have ... 23:32 * netrunner taking advantage of his wlan, lying in bed, watching final fantasy. 23:32 < rxr> the vanilla channel editor can not be called channel "editor" 23:34 < rxr> "one with mythtv CVS at 05/08/2003 - This code is here just for reference, is not longer maintained!! " 23:35 < rxr> ??? - haeh? I have no scan facility, what is he speaking about ... ?!?! 23:39 < jsaw> mythfilldatabase --manual? 23:43 < rxr> jsaw: do you also use mythtv? 23:43 < netrunner> my dog (sleeping between my legs) dreams that it's running, cute :) 23:43 < netrunner> ouch, it's kicking me! 23:43 < rxr> "mythfilldatabase --manual" does only try to download files from the inet ... 23:44 < jsaw> jsaw: nope, just ran across an arcticle a couple of weeks ago... 23:44 < rxr> jsaw: they even got a patch to add a useful channel editor nearly 1 year ago!!! 23:44 < rxr> even with scan support 23:44 < rxr> the included channel editor is just pure crap 23:45 < rxr> every value needs to be entered in 23:45 < rxr> as if I want to specify 10 23:45 < jsaw> sounds strange... but the fact that mythfilldatabase is mainly for north america says it all, doesn't it 23:45 < rxr> + values for all of the ~19 stations ... 23:45 < jsaw> ? 23:45 < rxr> yes 23:45 < rxr> jsaw: there was a stray \n in my last /msg ... 23:45 < jsaw> :) 23:46 < rxr> https://www.elserrat.com/MythTV/MythChannels/ 23:46 < rxr> ^- this is what I want - and was availble in Aug last year! 23:46 < jsaw> (btw, I'm not even using xawtv, PC is b0rken...) 23:46 < rxr> I do not think it will apply to current releases ... 23:48 < netrunner> damn. could somebody please invent a remote cd changer? 23:48 < jsaw> just buy one 23:48 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has left #rocklinux ["Me Be Gone!"] 23:48 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 23:49 < rxr> ok - the mythtv devels are morons 23:50 * rxr making note ot nver patch a feature into mythtv ... 23:50 * rxr adding "adding video streaming and DVB support into gsmp" to the TODO 23:50 < rxr> how can people develop a DVB applications over serveral years without a convieneient way to edit the channels - leave alone simple scanning ... 23:51 < rxr> even a 80 line command line app does do this ... 23:57 < jsaw> rxr: ever looked at gstreamer? 23:58 < rxr> yes, no comment ... 23:58 < jsaw> ? 23:58 < rxr> ugly crappy seg-faulting C code ... 23:58 < mnemoc> your beloved ansi-C? 23:58 < rxr> oh - that was a comment ... 23:58 < jsaw> might be, however the concept is nice 23:59 < rxr> mnemoc: C can be used for some rare things ... 23:59 < rxr> GSMP was similar conectps - in high level C++ ... 23:59 < rxr> it is just that the authors do everything but just do not find time for coding ... --- Log closed Sat Jul 24 00:00:09 2004