--- Log opened Sat Jul 24 00:00:09 2004
00:00  * netrunner wrote an exam about project management in softwareengineering ... interested in script? ;)
00:00 < rxr> we recorded a CD with the pre release <0.0.1 code in 2000 or so - long before gstreamer existed ...
00:02 < rxr> somee howto release explains how to get the channels into the mysql database manually - I would love this is a joke ...
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00:03 < rxr> oh my - already mid-night
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00:03 < rxr> and still no video frame displayed by this borked app
00:04 < netrunner> rxr: I played with mythtv a long time ago. then did it again and even packaged it. but I cannot remember it showing me any frame of a movie ;)
00:04  * netrunner staied with freevo
00:06 < rxr> "I mean that setting DVB is far more complicated than it should/needs to be.  There is no reason to
00:06 < rxr> have to manually type in piles of channels when the dvb system is sending all of the information
00:06 < rxr> you need to set it up already."
00:06 < rxr> this is unbeliebable - the list is full of complaints ...
00:06 < rxr> the only missing piece is getting my channel data into the damn database ..
00:06 < rxr> *"PIOJEPIOSDJHfglskdhjgvü+w90asPIRÜV1 o2piuqjrlIC
00:07 < rxr> netrunner: I have not seen a mythtv package, am I blinded?
00:07 < rxr> no there is none in head ...
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00:08 < netrunner> oups. must have gotten lost in one of my endles trunk recreations. this was last year. I added something to qt.conf (iirc) that was especially needed for it.
00:09 < netrunner> and this is still in qt.conf...
00:10 < netrunner> hm, found it in a backup. I assume you don't need it any more anyway ;)
00:11 < rxr> hm - it needs python and python imaging s.th.
00:11 < rxr> this smells like more mess
00:11 < rxr> I more likely continue to get my channel info into the database ...
00:11 < rxr> after some bits of food
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00:15 < rxr> I think I start DVB support in the gsmp framework this weekend ...
00:15 < fake> rxr: i could send you a db dump but it would be for dvb-s...
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00:15 < fake> rxr: tried vdr?
00:17 < fake> rxr: i did a mythtv package, but it's not finished yet
00:17 < rxr> doesn't vdr only work with OSD on full-featured cards?
00:17 < fake> rxr: wait a sec
00:19 < fake> home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/
00:19 < fake> that's a xine output plugin
00:19 < fake> www.lucke.in-berlin.de
00:20 < fake> -> softdevice: xv, xvmc, directfb, fb
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00:21 < fake> for setting up the IR you will need to use the softdevice thing
00:21 < fake> xine plugin doesn't show that initical config screen iirc
00:21 < rxr> hm? what design is that ...
00:21 < fake> those are plugins.... for vdr-1.3.11
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00:22 < fake> there is even a streamdev plugin, so you can stream the stuff over network...
00:22 < rxr> if you use mythtv, you might be able to tell me if it is really possible to stream with native mythtv from a server to client devices?
00:22 < fake> rxr: yes, absolutely
00:22 < rxr> how did you got your "channel.conf" into the database?
00:22 < fake> rxr: even if you don't need that, it's strictly backend-frontend
00:22 < fake> rxr: by a script
00:22 < rxr> slefmade?
00:22 < fake> rxr: do you have a 'tzap' compatible channel list?
00:23 < rxr> selfmade even
00:23 < rxr> yep
00:23 < fake> wait a second
00:23 < rxr> cool!
00:23 < rxr> and yes - I need the backend server architecture
00:24 < fake> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/48756?do=post_view_threaded#48756
00:25 < fake> get the 'insertchannels.pl'
00:25 < rxr> thanks!
00:25 < fake> it basically maps xmltv channel names to dvb channel names and inserts the channels.conf info ...
00:25 < fake> good luck ;)
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00:41 < rxr> my fh is in TV
00:41 < rxr> in the film on ZDF
00:41 < rxr> if you hurry you might see it until the scene is over ...
00:41 < rxr> ok - over
00:41 < rxr> :-(
00:42 < mnemoc> uhm?
00:42 < mnemoc> what's fh?
00:42 < rxr> some form of university
00:43 < mnemoc> technical college?
00:43 < rxr> I currently zap thru the channels of my new DVB card - and eat "night lunch" nearby
00:43 < rxr> accidently one plot played in a lecture room of my university
00:44 < rxr> mnemoc: no "university of apllied science"
00:46 < mnemoc> here the same institutions teach theology, medicine, laws, engineering and nursery
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00:46 < zzoc> abend
00:46 < rxr> moin
00:48 < zzoc> hier sind die alle;)
00:48 < zzoc> keiner da?
00:48 < mnemoc> zzoc: english please
00:48  * fake is not here
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00:49 < zzoc> fake: ru "the" fake
00:49 < zzoc> the old fake i mean
00:49 < mnemoc> :D
00:49  * fake _is_ "the" fake
00:49 < fake> at least i never met anyone else calling himself fake
00:49 < mnemoc> aren't you a fake of fake?
00:49 < fake> .oO( who wants to be called 'fake' ?)
00:50 < mnemoc> i wanted to use that nick, but it was taken :'(
00:54 < Lorini> fake: you can see Freak in here? he is calling himself freak. fake is much cooler *g*
00:54 < zzoc> Lorini: :-)))))))) *knuddel*
00:54 < Lorini> hi
00:54 < rxr> Lorini: freak is here from time to time
00:55 < rxr> but I have not seen him at least the last hours ...
00:55  * fake would have called himself 'idiot', but that's bad on an application or so
00:58 < mnemoc> you write 'fake' when you do a test or application?
00:58 < daja77> re
00:59 < zzoc> daja77: hi:)
00:59 < fake> mnemoc: sure ^^
01:00 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
01:00 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
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01:04 < zzoc> Lorini: ping
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01:06 < daja77> zzoc: so sie ist weg, du kannst nun gehen
01:07 < zzoc> daja77: bin net wegen lorini hier
01:08  * fake -> chillen
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01:09 < daja77> and stay out°
01:09 < daja77> !
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01:11 < zzoc> back
01:13 < rxr> fake: /me back from the night supper ...
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01:14 < rxr> fake: the script still needs the channels to be present ... this is not perfect ...
01:14 < daja77> <- back from watching monty python
01:19 < zzoc> wer holt mir ne mate annen tisch?
01:20 < daja77> nobody
01:21  * rxr follows mnemoc style and writes mythtv on a can and kicks it in a high bow thru the windows
01:21 < rxr> -s
01:21 < rxr> damn crap
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01:28 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:28 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
01:28 [Users #rocklinux]
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01:28 [ dsoul   ] [ luckz ] [ owl      ] [ SMP    ] [ valentin_] 
01:28 [ fake    ] [ menomc] [ rolla    ] [ StefanG] [ zzoc     ] 
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01:30 < _Lewellyn> hoi. time for a lame faq, i'm sure: are there iso's of 2.0.2 yet? i didn't see any in any of the usual places.
01:30 < _Lewellyn> (which leads me to believe there are none :) )
01:31 < daja77> you are right
01:31 < daja77> at least not on the net
01:32 < menomc> i'm using one as marker on a book :)
01:32 < _Lewellyn> ok. was curious to play with it ;)
01:33 < daja77> menomc: hehe
01:33 < daja77> the ones i have are not good for upload, too many annoying bugs in it
01:33 < menomc> _Lewellyn: i have a minimal but it use runit instead of sysvinit, socklog instead of sysklog, etc...
01:34 < _Lewellyn> ya. figured it was still too soon :)
01:34 < _Lewellyn> i'll be patient.
01:34 < menomc> build one :D
01:34 < _Lewellyn> menomc: can i do it from windows within an hour?
01:34 < _Lewellyn> ;)
01:34 < _Lewellyn> or freesd?
01:34 < menomc> i guess not
01:34 < daja77> erhm not really ;)
01:34 < _Lewellyn> the fileserver is kinda idle right now
01:35 < daja77> we should build dev meeting 2.1 isos ;)
01:35 < _Lewellyn> we're not a linux shop here, as a rule
01:35 < daja77> we?
01:35 < _Lewellyn> where i work
01:35 < daja77> at that is where?
01:35 < _Lewellyn> i'd love to ditch windows, but since we publish windows software...
01:35 < _Lewellyn> www.selectsoft.com
01:36 < _Lewellyn> our servers are all freebsd and windows, with the exception of the rock linux router/gateway i'm trying to find time to finish.
01:36 < _Lewellyn> and all desktops are either windows or mac
01:36 < daja77> hm freebsd and windows, like hgotmail ...
01:37 < daja77> hotmail*
01:37 < _Lewellyn> the windows is there for legacy applications, mainly.
01:37 < daja77> ic
01:37 < _Lewellyn> i've been migrating us off windows servers as much as possible as time permits.
01:39 < daja77> the windows is for hotmal to proof that a micrsosft company works with windows and using freebsd in the background ...
01:42 < daja77> btw how did you find us?
01:44  * menomc is hidden in the jungle
01:44 < _Lewellyn> i started using rock linux years ago (before i wandered off to bsd-land) and it fits my needs for a couple of projects :)
01:44 < rxr_> _Lewellyn: it has nothign to do with earliness - I simply did not scheduled a full ISO release for 2.0.2 - the will be one for 2.0.3
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01:45 < daja77> rxr_: we really should setup this bittorrent stuf and have isos for the releases, i got many requests for them ...
01:49 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: oh. so just wait until 2.0.3 then?
01:49 < _Lewellyn> is 2.0.2 a pressing upgrade?
01:50 < rxr_> as written in the announcement - only some fixes and scurity updates ...
01:51 < daja77> n8
01:52 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: so, since i didn't see anything specific to me, i'll skip it :)
01:53 < menomc> s/^/[SPAM]/
01:56 -!- You're now known as rxr
01:59 < menomc> gn8 *
01:59 < menomc> office is closing :|
02:02  * rxr poluting my test box with tons of Perl / CPAN crap just to get tv_grab_de
02:02 < rxr> CPAN is a dependency hell
02:02 < rxr> good that it is just a test box ...
02:02 < fake> rxr: see my discarded xmltv package
02:02 < fake> rxr: they're all in there ;)
02:02 < fake> except those allready packaged, of course
02:04 < rxr> just running for x in * ; do
02:04 < rxr> cpan install $x
02:04 < rxr> done
02:04 < rxr> is faster
02:04 < rxr> execpt the compile time on the old K6-2 ...
03:57 < zzoc> fake: ?
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04:08 < rxr> hm - now I see why it works less then before, my kernel just oopsed silently in the background:
04:08 < rxr> [<caa9a75b>] dvb_dmxdev_filter_start+0x11b/0x3c0 [dvb_core]
04:08 < rxr>  [<caa9adbe>] dvb_dmxdev_pes_filter_set+0x3e/0x80 [dvb_core]
04:08 < rxr>  [<caa9b232>] dvb_demux_do_ioctl+0x272/0x280 [dvb_core]
04:08 < rxr>  [<caa9fe7a>] dvb_usercopy+0x7a/0x120 [dvb_core]
04:08 < rxr>  [<c0120488>] run_timer_softirq+0x108/0x1a0
04:08 < rxr>  [<c011c6bc>] __do_softirq+0x7c/0x80
04:08 < rxr> too bad
04:35 < rxr> damn shit fucking program
04:35 < rxr> I really shoudl write my own one ...
04:35 < rxr> damn
04:35  * rxr crawls into bed - and hopefully does not dream from this ugly piece of crap ...
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10:28 < netrunner> ouch 885 builds total, 381 completed fine, 183 with errors.
10:28 < netrunner> waah 1302 builds total, 395 completed fine, 77 with errors.
10:29 < De_Elsasser> moin netrunner
10:29 < netrunner> moin frenchman
10:30 < De_Elsasser> wouah
10:30 < netrunner> xorg didn't build on the first, no wonder ...
10:31 < netrunner> neither on the second. damn
11:13 < zzoc> moin
11:13 < De_Elsasser> moin zzoc
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11:21 < owl> moin
11:21 < owl> huh? zzoc ???
11:31 < zzoc> hey owl
11:31 < zzoc> :))
11:31 < owl> hi zzoc.
11:32 < owl> you're the only and one zzoc??? the zzoc where i have the icq-uin from, or someone who stole the "original zzoc"'s nick?
11:34 < zzoc> no the one and only zzoc
11:40 < owl> how did you find #rocklinux ? ;)
11:41 < zzoc> owl:  i known that  some of the "old" peopels i known are here located
11:42 < owl> huh? O_o "old people"? who!?!
11:43 < zzoc> owl: from #discordia z.B.
11:45 < owl> hmm. k. 
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12:29 < zzoc> ppPP/c
12:33 < zzoc> damn
12:33 < zzoc> lag
12:51 < netrunner> can somebody tell me why xorg does not build?
12:53 < netrunner> ah, build order problem
13:02 < netrunner> Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/l/libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.bz2.cksum-err (284701479)
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13:50 < owl> ipw2200 is not yet usable with linux, is it?
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15:35 < netrunner> owl: I use the ipw2100 and it works great.
15:35  * netrunner back from 'carcinema' ... found a nice car.
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16:02 < zzoc> moin nookie_
16:17 < menomc> moin
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16:57 < fake> moin
16:58 < mnemoc> fi fake 
16:58 < mnemoc> hi too
16:58 < fake> rxr: writing a lean, mean dvb tv watching app using EPG that's softdevice-capable and does *not* use Qt? i'm at your service...
16:58 < fake> mi menmoc ;)
17:01 < mnemoc> *g*
17:04 < fake> ah... nice rain...
17:06 < fake> chroot . /bin/kiss
17:06 < fake> Illegal instruction (core dumped)
17:06 < fake> hrmpf
17:06 < fake> i have a suspect...
17:07 < fake> nssdb. i knew it.
17:07 < fake> same cruft as on mips
17:07 < mnemoc> wasn't nssdb droped?
17:07 < fake> obviously not
17:07 < fake> == 07/23/04 23:28:43 =[5]=> Finished building package nssdb.
17:08 < fake> == 23:28:49 =[5]=> Building base/dhcp [3.0pl2 2.1.0-DEV].
17:08 < fake> !> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: 28317 Illegal instruction   ..
17:09 < mnemoc> _please_ drop that damn package
17:09 < fake> mnemoc: i'd love to
17:19 < rxr> re
17:20 < rxr> only a short visit ...
17:21 < mnemoc> hi short-visiting-rxr
17:34 < zzoc> hi fake
17:34 < mnemoc> hi zzoc 
17:54 < netrunner> hm, my desktop build is going quite fine. 885 builds total, 416 completed fine, 10 with errors.
18:28 < zzoc> anyone here, who's running rocklinux on alpha?
18:31 < fake> == 07/24/04 16:16:20 =[7]=> Finished building package perl5.
18:31 < fake> the end is near...
18:32 < zzoc> hi fake
18:44 < fake> 254 builds total, 212 completed fine, 27 with errors.
18:44 < fake> not bad !
18:48 < netrunner> fake: need a new job? http://www.heise.de/heisejobs/anzeigen/gez-teamleiter_1/Anzeige.htm
18:49 < fake> netrunner: you must be kidding me
18:50 < netrunner> no way ;)
18:51 < fake> netrunner: i will not work for the establishment ;)
19:18 < fake> sh-2.05b# passwd
19:18 < fake> Illegal instruction
19:18 < fake> grzt
19:24 < mnemoc> passwd or pam?
19:24 < fake> pam
19:24 < fake> passwd --help works
19:25 < fake> now if only i knew which module...
19:25  * fake suspects bdb again
19:25 < mnemoc> remove nssdb for nsswtich
19:26 < fake> nssdb is not installed...
19:27 < mnemoc> is it named at nsswitch.conf
19:27 < mnemoc> ?
19:27 < fake> no
19:27 < fake> only 'db' and 'files'
19:28 < fake> or is it the 'db' ?
19:28 < mnemoc> db = nssdb
19:28 < fake> muhaha
19:28 < fake> still illegal instruction
19:29 < mnemoc> strace :)
19:29 < mnemoc> gdb :)
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19:58 < fake> mnemoc: both didn't build
19:58 < fake> i'm gonna bbq now
19:58 < mnemoc> bbq?
19:59 < mnemoc> Barbecue
20:39  * netrunner just had a cookie flash... from a quote on tv "I'll bring you cookies and milk upstairs"
20:43 < netrunner> well, I went down and baked some :) in summer :)
20:47 < owl> rofl. :) 
20:47 < owl> <- wants some cookies too :)
20:47 < owl> even in summer
20:49 < netrunner> then hurry, there are only few left :)
20:50 < owl> hah. send it via post ;)
20:51 < zzoc> hehe owl ist cooking 
20:51 < owl> wait. i will send you my adress via query :p
20:51 < owl> zzoc: haeh??? cooking? /me? O_o
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22:13 < mnemoc> *yawn*
22:37 < mnemoc> yahooo... apply-flood again :)
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