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--- Log opened Sat Jul 24 00:00:09 2004 00:00 * netrunner wrote an exam about project management in softwareengineering ... interested in script? ;) 00:00 < rxr> we recorded a CD with the pre release <0.0.1 code in 2000 or so - long before gstreamer existed ... 00:02 < rxr> somee howto release explains how to get the channels into the mysql database manually - I would love this is a joke ... 00:02 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:03 < rxr> oh my - already mid-night 00:03 -!- nookie [~nookie@M372P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 00:03 < rxr> and still no video frame displayed by this borked app 00:04 < netrunner> rxr: I played with mythtv a long time ago. then did it again and even packaged it. but I cannot remember it showing me any frame of a movie ;) 00:04 * netrunner staied with freevo 00:06 < rxr> "I mean that setting DVB is far more complicated than it should/needs to be. There is no reason to 00:06 < rxr> have to manually type in piles of channels when the dvb system is sending all of the information 00:06 < rxr> you need to set it up already." 00:06 < rxr> this is unbeliebable - the list is full of complaints ... 00:06 < rxr> the only missing piece is getting my channel data into the damn database .. 00:06 < rxr> *"PIOJEPIOSDJHfglskdhjgvü+w90asPIRÜV1 o2piuqjrlIC 00:07 < rxr> netrunner: I have not seen a mythtv package, am I blinded? 00:07 < rxr> no there is none in head ... 00:07 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:07 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:08 < netrunner> oups. must have gotten lost in one of my endles trunk recreations. this was last year. I added something to qt.conf (iirc) that was especially needed for it. 00:09 < netrunner> and this is still in qt.conf... 00:10 < netrunner> hm, found it in a backup. I assume you don't need it any more anyway ;) 00:11 < rxr> hm - it needs python and python imaging s.th. 00:11 < rxr> this smells like more mess 00:11 < rxr> I more likely continue to get my channel info into the database ... 00:11 < rxr> after some bits of food 00:15 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:15 < rxr> I think I start DVB support in the gsmp framework this weekend ... 00:15 < fake> rxr: i could send you a db dump but it would be for dvb-s... 00:15 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:15 < fake> rxr: tried vdr? 00:17 < fake> rxr: i did a mythtv package, but it's not finished yet 00:17 < rxr> doesn't vdr only work with OSD on full-featured cards? 00:17 < fake> rxr: wait a sec 00:19 < fake> home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/ 00:19 < fake> that's a xine output plugin 00:19 < fake> www.lucke.in-berlin.de 00:20 < fake> -> softdevice: xv, xvmc, directfb, fb 00:20 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:21 < fake> for setting up the IR you will need to use the softdevice thing 00:21 < fake> xine plugin doesn't show that initical config screen iirc 00:21 < rxr> hm? what design is that ... 00:21 < fake> those are plugins.... for vdr-1.3.11 00:21 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:22 < fake> there is even a streamdev plugin, so you can stream the stuff over network... 00:22 < rxr> if you use mythtv, you might be able to tell me if it is really possible to stream with native mythtv from a server to client devices? 00:22 < fake> rxr: yes, absolutely 00:22 < rxr> how did you got your "channel.conf" into the database? 00:22 < fake> rxr: even if you don't need that, it's strictly backend-frontend 00:22 < fake> rxr: by a script 00:22 < rxr> slefmade? 00:22 < fake> rxr: do you have a 'tzap' compatible channel list? 00:23 < rxr> selfmade even 00:23 < rxr> yep 00:23 < fake> wait a second 00:23 < rxr> cool! 00:23 < rxr> and yes - I need the backend server architecture 00:24 < fake> https://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/48756?do=post_view_threaded#48756 00:25 < fake> get the 'insertchannels.pl' 00:25 < rxr> thanks! 00:25 < fake> it basically maps xmltv channel names to dvb channel names and inserts the channels.conf info ... 00:25 < fake> good luck ;) 00:26 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:26 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:34 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Client Quit] 00:35 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:40 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:41 < rxr> my fh is in TV 00:41 < rxr> in the film on ZDF 00:41 < rxr> if you hurry you might see it until the scene is over ... 00:41 < rxr> ok - over 00:41 < rxr> :-( 00:42 < mnemoc> uhm? 00:42 < mnemoc> what's fh? 00:42 < rxr> some form of university 00:43 < mnemoc> technical college? 00:43 < rxr> I currently zap thru the channels of my new DVB card - and eat "night lunch" nearby 00:43 < rxr> accidently one plot played in a lecture room of my university 00:44 < rxr> mnemoc: no "university of apllied science" 00:46 < mnemoc> here the same institutions teach theology, medicine, laws, engineering and nursery 00:46 -!- zzoc [~zzoc@ACB37BB1.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 00:46 < zzoc> abend 00:46 < rxr> moin 00:48 < zzoc> hier sind die alle;) 00:48 < zzoc> keiner da? 00:48 < mnemoc> zzoc: english please 00:48 * fake is not here 00:48 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 00:49 < zzoc> fake: ru "the" fake 00:49 < zzoc> the old fake i mean 00:49 < mnemoc> :D 00:49 * fake _is_ "the" fake 00:49 < fake> at least i never met anyone else calling himself fake 00:49 < mnemoc> aren't you a fake of fake? 00:49 < fake> .oO( who wants to be called 'fake' ?) 00:50 < mnemoc> i wanted to use that nick, but it was taken :'( 00:54 < Lorini> fake: you can see Freak in here? he is calling himself freak. fake is much cooler *g* 00:54 < zzoc> Lorini: :-)))))))) *knuddel* 00:54 < Lorini> hi 00:54 < rxr> Lorini: freak is here from time to time 00:55 < rxr> but I have not seen him at least the last hours ... 00:55 * fake would have called himself 'idiot', but that's bad on an application or so 00:58 < mnemoc> you write 'fake' when you do a test or application? 00:58 < daja77> re 00:59 < zzoc> daja77: hi:) 00:59 < fake> mnemoc: sure ^^ 01:00 < mnemoc> hi daja77 01:00 < daja77> hi mnemoc 01:02 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.50] has quit ["Changing server"] 01:04 < zzoc> Lorini: ping 01:04 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has left #RockLinux ["Was ist los, hat euch jemand gebügelt? Ihr seht so geplättet aus!"] 01:06 < daja77> zzoc: so sie ist weg, du kannst nun gehen 01:07 < zzoc> daja77: bin net wegen lorini hier 01:08 * fake -> chillen 01:08 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.50] has joined #rocklinux 01:09 -!- zzoc [~zzoc@ACB37BB1.ipt.aol.com] has quit ["leaving"] 01:09 < daja77> and stay out° 01:09 < daja77> ! 01:11 -!- zzoc [zzoc@62.80.25.188] has joined #rocklinux 01:11 < zzoc> back 01:13 < rxr> fake: /me back from the night supper ... 01:13 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Network is unreachable] 01:14 < rxr> fake: the script still needs the channels to be present ... this is not perfect ... 01:14 < daja77> <- back from watching monty python 01:19 < zzoc> wer holt mir ne mate annen tisch? 01:20 < daja77> nobody 01:21 * rxr follows mnemoc style and writes mythtv on a can and kicks it in a high bow thru the windows 01:21 < rxr> -s 01:21 < rxr> damn crap 01:21 -!- menomc [~amery@200.75.27.57] has joined #rocklinux 01:28 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.253.194.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:28 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:28 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:28 [Users #rocklinux] 01:28 [ [anders]] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 01:28 [ blindy ] [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ rxr_ ] [ true ] 01:28 [ daja77 ] [ kasc ] [ nookie ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ] 01:28 [ dsoul ] [ luckz ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] [ valentin_] 01:28 [ fake ] [ menomc] [ rolla ] [ StefanG] [ zzoc ] 01:28 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal] 01:28 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:28 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 01:28 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 01:28 -!- _Lewellyn [discharg@c-24-4-235-168.client.comcast.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:30 < _Lewellyn> hoi. time for a lame faq, i'm sure: are there iso's of 2.0.2 yet? i didn't see any in any of the usual places. 01:30 < _Lewellyn> (which leads me to believe there are none :) ) 01:31 < daja77> you are right 01:31 < daja77> at least not on the net 01:32 < menomc> i'm using one as marker on a book :) 01:32 < _Lewellyn> ok. was curious to play with it ;) 01:33 < daja77> menomc: hehe 01:33 < daja77> the ones i have are not good for upload, too many annoying bugs in it 01:33 < menomc> _Lewellyn: i have a minimal but it use runit instead of sysvinit, socklog instead of sysklog, etc... 01:34 < _Lewellyn> ya. figured it was still too soon :) 01:34 < _Lewellyn> i'll be patient. 01:34 < menomc> build one :D 01:34 < _Lewellyn> menomc: can i do it from windows within an hour? 01:34 < _Lewellyn> ;) 01:34 < _Lewellyn> or freesd? 01:34 < menomc> i guess not 01:34 < daja77> erhm not really ;) 01:34 < _Lewellyn> the fileserver is kinda idle right now 01:35 < daja77> we should build dev meeting 2.1 isos ;) 01:35 < _Lewellyn> we're not a linux shop here, as a rule 01:35 < daja77> we? 01:35 < _Lewellyn> where i work 01:35 < daja77> at that is where? 01:35 < _Lewellyn> i'd love to ditch windows, but since we publish windows software... 01:35 < _Lewellyn> www.selectsoft.com 01:36 < _Lewellyn> our servers are all freebsd and windows, with the exception of the rock linux router/gateway i'm trying to find time to finish. 01:36 < _Lewellyn> and all desktops are either windows or mac 01:36 < daja77> hm freebsd and windows, like hgotmail ... 01:37 < daja77> hotmail* 01:37 < _Lewellyn> the windows is there for legacy applications, mainly. 01:37 < daja77> ic 01:37 < _Lewellyn> i've been migrating us off windows servers as much as possible as time permits. 01:39 < daja77> the windows is for hotmal to proof that a micrsosft company works with windows and using freebsd in the background ... 01:42 < daja77> btw how did you find us? 01:44 * menomc is hidden in the jungle 01:44 < _Lewellyn> i started using rock linux years ago (before i wandered off to bsd-land) and it fits my needs for a couple of projects :) 01:44 < rxr_> _Lewellyn: it has nothign to do with earliness - I simply did not scheduled a full ISO release for 2.0.2 - the will be one for 2.0.3 01:44 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.245.248.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:45 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@p213.54.245.248.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:45 < daja77> rxr_: we really should setup this bittorrent stuf and have isos for the releases, i got many requests for them ... 01:49 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: oh. so just wait until 2.0.3 then? 01:49 < _Lewellyn> is 2.0.2 a pressing upgrade? 01:50 < rxr_> as written in the announcement - only some fixes and scurity updates ... 01:51 < daja77> n8 01:52 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: so, since i didn't see anything specific to me, i'll skip it :) 01:53 < menomc> s/^/[SPAM]/ 01:56 -!- You're now known as rxr 01:59 < menomc> gn8 * 01:59 < menomc> office is closing :| 02:02 * rxr poluting my test box with tons of Perl / CPAN crap just to get tv_grab_de 02:02 < rxr> CPAN is a dependency hell 02:02 < rxr> good that it is just a test box ... 02:02 < fake> rxr: see my discarded xmltv package 02:02 < fake> rxr: they're all in there ;) 02:02 < fake> except those allready packaged, of course 02:04 < rxr> just running for x in * ; do 02:04 < rxr> cpan install $x 02:04 < rxr> done 02:04 < rxr> is faster 02:04 < rxr> execpt the compile time on the old K6-2 ... 03:57 < zzoc> fake: ? 04:03 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F971.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:03 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD9E4FE5F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:03 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:08 < rxr> hm - now I see why it works less then before, my kernel just oopsed silently in the background: 04:08 < rxr> [<caa9a75b>] dvb_dmxdev_filter_start+0x11b/0x3c0 [dvb_core] 04:08 < rxr> [<caa9adbe>] dvb_dmxdev_pes_filter_set+0x3e/0x80 [dvb_core] 04:08 < rxr> [<caa9b232>] dvb_demux_do_ioctl+0x272/0x280 [dvb_core] 04:08 < rxr> [<caa9fe7a>] dvb_usercopy+0x7a/0x120 [dvb_core] 04:08 < rxr> [<c0120488>] run_timer_softirq+0x108/0x1a0 04:08 < rxr> [<c011c6bc>] __do_softirq+0x7c/0x80 04:08 < rxr> too bad 04:35 < rxr> damn shit fucking program 04:35 < rxr> I really shoudl write my own one ... 04:35 < rxr> damn 04:35 * rxr crawls into bed - and hopefully does not dream from this ugly piece of crap ... 06:08 -!- nookie [~nookie@M372P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:08 -!- nookie [~nookie@M372P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 06:11 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ASte-Genev-Bois-102-1-4-45.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 07:36 -!- luckz_ [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:01 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M258P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 08:18 -!- nookie [~nookie@M372P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:08 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 10:06 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M258P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [""Will administrate your UNIX servers for a woman.""] 10:28 < netrunner> ouch 885 builds total, 381 completed fine, 183 with errors. 10:28 < netrunner> waah 1302 builds total, 395 completed fine, 77 with errors. 10:29 < De_Elsasser> moin netrunner 10:29 < netrunner> moin frenchman 10:30 < De_Elsasser> wouah 10:30 < netrunner> xorg didn't build on the first, no wonder ... 10:31 < netrunner> neither on the second. damn 11:13 < zzoc> moin 11:13 < De_Elsasser> moin zzoc 11:13 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 14400 seconds] 11:13 -!- luckz_ is now known as luckz 11:21 < owl> moin 11:21 < owl> huh? zzoc ??? 11:31 < zzoc> hey owl 11:31 < zzoc> :)) 11:31 < owl> hi zzoc. 11:32 < owl> you're the only and one zzoc??? the zzoc where i have the icq-uin from, or someone who stole the "original zzoc"'s nick? 11:34 < zzoc> no the one and only zzoc 11:40 < owl> how did you find #rocklinux ? ;) 11:41 < zzoc> owl: i known that some of the "old" peopels i known are here located 11:42 < owl> huh? O_o "old people"? who!?! 11:43 < zzoc> owl: from #discordia z.B. 11:45 < owl> hmm. k. 12:04 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit ["leaving"] 12:05 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 12:29 < zzoc> ppPP/c 12:33 < zzoc> damn 12:33 < zzoc> lag 12:51 < netrunner> can somebody tell me why xorg does not build? 12:53 < netrunner> ah, build order problem 13:02 < netrunner> Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/l/libdvdread-0.9.4.tar.bz2.cksum-err (284701479) 13:17 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit ["leaving"] 13:17 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 13:50 < owl> ipw2200 is not yet usable with linux, is it? 14:30 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-204-028.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:34 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-107.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:34 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:46 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: true, mistik1, SMP 14:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: true 14:48 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1 14:57 -!- SMP_ [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:00 -!- togg [~togg@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de] has joined #rocklinux 15:02 -!- nookie [~nookie@M258P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 15:04 -!- zzoc [zzoc@62.80.25.188] has quit ["leaving"] 15:35 < netrunner> owl: I use the ipw2100 and it works great. 15:35 * netrunner back from 'carcinema' ... found a nice car. 15:53 -!- zzoc [zzoc@62.80.25.188] has joined #rocklinux 16:02 -!- nookie_ [~nookie@M361P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 16:02 < zzoc> moin nookie_ 16:17 < menomc> moin 16:20 -!- nookie [~nookie@M258P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:30 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 16:57 < fake> moin 16:58 < mnemoc> fi fake 16:58 < mnemoc> hi too 16:58 < fake> rxr: writing a lean, mean dvb tv watching app using EPG that's softdevice-capable and does *not* use Qt? i'm at your service... 16:58 < fake> mi menmoc ;) 17:01 < mnemoc> *g* 17:04 < fake> ah... nice rain... 17:06 < fake> chroot . /bin/kiss 17:06 < fake> Illegal instruction (core dumped) 17:06 < fake> hrmpf 17:06 < fake> i have a suspect... 17:07 < fake> nssdb. i knew it. 17:07 < fake> same cruft as on mips 17:07 < mnemoc> wasn't nssdb droped? 17:07 < fake> obviously not 17:07 < fake> == 07/23/04 23:28:43 =[5]=> Finished building package nssdb. 17:08 < fake> == 23:28:49 =[5]=> Building base/dhcp [3.0pl2 2.1.0-DEV]. 17:08 < fake> !> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: 28317 Illegal instruction .. 17:09 < mnemoc> _please_ drop that damn package 17:09 < fake> mnemoc: i'd love to 17:19 < rxr> re 17:20 < rxr> only a short visit ... 17:21 < mnemoc> hi short-visiting-rxr 17:34 < zzoc> hi fake 17:34 < mnemoc> hi zzoc 17:54 < netrunner> hm, my desktop build is going quite fine. 885 builds total, 416 completed fine, 10 with errors. 18:28 < zzoc> anyone here, who's running rocklinux on alpha? 18:31 < fake> == 07/24/04 16:16:20 =[7]=> Finished building package perl5. 18:31 < fake> the end is near... 18:32 < zzoc> hi fake 18:44 < fake> 254 builds total, 212 completed fine, 27 with errors. 18:44 < fake> not bad ! 18:48 < netrunner> fake: need a new job? https://www.heise.de/heisejobs/anzeigen/gez-teamleiter_1/Anzeige.htm 18:49 < fake> netrunner: you must be kidding me 18:50 < netrunner> no way ;) 18:51 < fake> netrunner: i will not work for the establishment ;) 19:18 < fake> sh-2.05b# passwd 19:18 < fake> Illegal instruction 19:18 < fake> grzt 19:24 < mnemoc> passwd or pam? 19:24 < fake> pam 19:24 < fake> passwd --help works 19:25 < fake> now if only i knew which module... 19:25 * fake suspects bdb again 19:25 < mnemoc> remove nssdb for nsswtich 19:26 < fake> nssdb is not installed... 19:27 < mnemoc> is it named at nsswitch.conf 19:27 < mnemoc> ? 19:27 < fake> no 19:27 < fake> only 'db' and 'files' 19:28 < fake> or is it the 'db' ? 19:28 < mnemoc> db = nssdb 19:28 < fake> muhaha 19:28 < fake> still illegal instruction 19:29 < mnemoc> strace :) 19:29 < mnemoc> gdb :) 19:30 -!- pla^net [~sack@dynadsl-080-228-94-016.ewetel.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 < fake> mnemoc: both didn't build 19:58 < fake> i'm gonna bbq now 19:58 < mnemoc> bbq? 19:59 < mnemoc> Barbecue 20:39 * netrunner just had a cookie flash... from a quote on tv "I'll bring you cookies and milk upstairs" 20:43 < netrunner> well, I went down and baked some :) in summer :) 20:47 < owl> rofl. :) 20:47 < owl> <- wants some cookies too :) 20:47 < owl> even in summer 20:49 < netrunner> then hurry, there are only few left :) 20:50 < owl> hah. send it via post ;) 20:51 < zzoc> hehe owl ist cooking 20:51 < owl> wait. i will send you my adress via query :p 20:51 < owl> zzoc: haeh??? cooking? /me? 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