--- Log opened Mon Jul 26 00:00:39 2004
00:01 < rxr> fake: you only use dvb-s, IIRC?
00:01 < fake> rxr: yes
00:01 < fake> 'only' ;)
00:02 < rxr> how long does channel switching take for you?
00:08 < fake> about 1 - 2 sec
00:15 < fake> note: [1] gawk does not build with debugging symbols enabled...
00:15 < rxr> you have most channels values defined then? nearly none on auto?
00:15 < fake> no
00:16 < fake> i have none of that defined
00:16 < fake> only the required ones
00:16 < fake> i'm too lazy ;)
00:19 < daja77> hi esden 
00:29 < rxr> for me it only "kinda works" if I hardcode nearly all channels settings
00:29 < fake> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004072203365200795
00:29 < rxr> otherwise my DVB-T cards nearly never locks on the frequency ...
00:29 < fake> rxr: could you vote 'pro' that?
00:29 < rxr> of course tzap just works
00:29 < rxr> but mythtv is just f*cked up ...
00:29 < fake> rxr: tried VDR?
00:29 < fake> rxr: you can also stream there...
00:29 < rxr> mythtv sarts to show first lifesigns
00:30 < rxr> and I looked into vdr and all it's patch plugins - I do not want to start that patch compile orgy now - now that mythtv shows signs of progress ...
00:32 < rxr> hm - ok - mythtv's network stuff has endianness bugs at least in the audio parts ...
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00:38 < esden> good night everyone
00:38 < daja77> n8 esden 
00:40 < rxr> n8 esden 
00:40 < daja77> <- back to rocklinux stuff after next wednesday *sigh*
00:41 < fake> daja77: test?
00:42 < daja77> hm?
00:42 < daja77> oh exams, yes
00:42 < owl> daja77: good luck
00:42 < fake> good luck!
00:42 < daja77> thx
00:58  * fake -> chillen
01:13 < owl> bye fake 
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01:28 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:28 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
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01:28 [ daja77     ] [ Freak  ] [ mistik1  ] [ rolla ] [ StefanG] [ zzoc     ] 
01:28 [ De_Elsasser] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr   ] [ th     ] 
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02:22 < rxr_> ok
02:23 < rxr_> mythtv big-endian machine sound problem work arounded ...
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03:13 < rxr> mythv is an ugly unmaintainble shit program
03:14 < rxr> I think it I can not resole the remaining major issues tomorrow I start an own application where it is possible to fix bugs in ...
03:14 < rxr> and that is designed endianess safe ...
03:20 < rxr> ok - me off into bed
04:04 < fake> rxr: ack @ugly +bloated
04:04 < fake> rxr: let's do that together...
04:06 < fake> rxr: maybe without Qt...
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04:09 < fake> rxr: and without the need for a rdms *yuck*
04:10 < fake> *rdbms
04:12 < fake> oh, and i need xvmc support ;)
04:12 < fake> and lirc
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06:26 < netrunner> moin
06:29 < netrunner> argl, this ossi guy should get a new mailer. :/
06:30 < netrunner> oh, my builds are ready.
06:31 < netrunner> pentium-m_desktop_gcc34: 885 builds total, 784 completed fine, 101 with errors.
06:31 < netrunner> athlon-mp_generic_gcc34:1302 builds total, 1155 completed fine, 147 with errors.
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08:35 < blindy> moin
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09:50 < netrunner> hi blindy 
09:51 < netrunner> fake/rxr: what about freevo? I liked it so far.
10:01 < esden> hi ho everyone
10:07 < netrunner> hi esdi
10:07 < netrunner> hi sdn :=)
10:15 < esden> ping blindy 
10:49 < owl> moin
10:54 < De_Elsasser> moin
10:55 < owl> hi De_Elsasser 
10:57 < De_Elsasser> a question: how do I make for affect a host number in scsi driver for my usbkey?
10:57 < esden> moin owl, De_Elsasser 
10:57 < De_Elsasser> moin esden, moin owl
10:58 < De_Elsasser> /dev/scsi/host0 1 2 3..
10:59 < De_Elsasser> for edit fstab
10:59 < owl> hi esden 
10:59 < owl> De_Elsasser: ?
10:59 < De_Elsasser> owl: it's not clear?
11:00 < De_Elsasser> auf deutsch?
11:00 < owl> aaaaaaaaah. i'm blind. sorry. did not see the line "a question..." 
12:14 < th> moin
12:15 < th> De_Elsasser: you could use /dev/discs/disc1/part1 instead of scsi-dev
12:16 < De_Elsasser> I'm going to try it
12:16 < De_Elsasser> moin th
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12:18 < De_Elsasser> yes good...
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12:52 < rxr> moin
12:53 < netrunner> hi rxr
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13:04 < th> moin rxr
13:04 < owl> hi th , rxr , netrunner 
13:04 < th> rxr: had you have few minutes time to review qt-static patch?
13:10 < rxr> ok - vote set
13:11 < th> rxr: thanks a lot.
13:23 < rxr> fake: the on-air EPG is not used in MythTV with your DVB-S use-case?
13:33 < netrunner> hm, pic coredumps :/
13:33 < netrunner> (while compiling 3-groff)
13:36 < rxr> fake: and yet another question: do you patched vdr with a softdevice (aka X11)? If yes, which patch did you use=
13:36 < rxr> ? even
13:55 < rxr> ok - the better "softdevices" for vdr seem to be:
13:55 < rxr> http://home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/
13:55 < rxr> and
13:55 < rxr> http://www.lucke.in-berlin.de/
13:55 < rxr> me back later
14:06 < th> rxr: could you please "backmerge" package/stf/dhcpcd i just tested it in 2.0-stable. (see r2857); this should be last thing needed for our rescue-target
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15:13 < mnemoc> moin!
15:14 < netrunner> hi mnemoc 
15:16 < mnemoc> netrunner, i was about to ask for you :D
15:17 < mnemoc> in your clip-patch.tar.gz, can you see what number there is inside clip/seq_no.txt ?
15:19 < mnemoc> uhm... Unable to determine IP address from host name for www.rocklinux.net 
15:19 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:19 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: I wrot them a mail complaining they should add version numbers :)
15:20 < mnemoc> they claim they don't want to confuse their dos-users :\
15:20 < netrunner> 144
15:20 < mnemoc> that's why they release file-replace-patches and always with the same fscking name :|
15:20 < mnemoc> uhm....
15:21 < netrunner> filename is -130
15:22 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tbz2: 4139912734
15:23 < mnemoc> -130 was the previous patch...
15:23 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/clip-patch-1.1.10-130.tbz2: 1312991748
15:24 < netrunner> hm, then it was the other host ... download/mirror/c/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tgz.cksum-err (2414118841) 
15:24 < mnemoc> uhm.... let me check older files...
15:25 < mnemoc> download/mnemoc/clip/patch-1.1.10-79.tbz2: 3306161017 .... uhm...
15:25 < mnemoc> can you mail me the one you fetched to diff them?
15:26 < netrunner> hm. my clip.desc has the updated [V], but the old download. something's mixed again here.
15:27 < netrunner> oh, I _also_ had the -130 cksum-err
15:27 < netrunner> ok, now I redownloaded it and got Cksum ERROR: download/mirror/c/clip-patch-1.1.10-144.tgz.cksum-err (2414118841)
15:28 < netrunner> and seq_no says 172
15:28 < mnemoc> :)
15:28 < mnemoc> they release quite fast 
15:29 < mnemoc> and always with the same filename :(
15:29 < netrunner> yeah, stupid. I'll send an incremental as cliffi already test-applied it.
15:29 < mnemoc> thanks
15:29 < netrunner> mnemoc: maybe someone should fetch them and save them versioned.
15:31 < mnemoc> i have a routine to do that
15:31 < mnemoc> only if i could upload it to the mirrors....
15:50 < fake> moin
15:50 < mnemoc> moin fake 
15:54 < fake> rxr: mythtv does not use EPG
15:55 < fake> rxr: there is a tv_grav_dvb, but it didn't work for me
15:55 < fake> rxr: VDR uses EPG by default
15:55 < fake> rxr: and no, i didn't need to patch vdr, just added the plugin in the PLUGIN/src directory
15:56 < fake> rxr: untar it in PLUGINS/src, ln -s vdr-xyz-version vdr-xyz
15:56 < fake> rxr: go into vdr's src dir and do make plugins
15:57 < fake> rxr: configuration is done in the makefile (you have to select which soft device to use for the softdevice plugin)
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16:07 < rxr> fake: thanks for your feedback
16:10 < fake> rxr: you're welcome (it seems, we're both in the same boat)
16:10 < fake> netrunner: freevo has only very limited dvb support (only ivtv driver based cards)
16:11 < rxr> I think I do not use mythtv any longer
16:11 < rxr> it does often fail to tune to the frequency
16:11 < rxr> the frontend nearly hangs then - no way to change the channels then
16:11 < blindy> moin
16:12 < fake> rxr: one cause of that may be bad signal wuality
16:12 < rxr> bad sound quality when the machine barely manages to decompress the mpeg2 (e.g. my iBook)
16:12 < rxr> tzap manages to tune to them
16:12 < rxr> I looked at the mythtv tuning code - it is ugly
16:12 < fake> rxr: ack.
16:12 < fake> rxr: let alone that DiSeq cruft
16:12 < rxr> no EPG (show stopper) - the backend even crashes (IIRC) when I select EPG (the xml web thing I guess)
16:13 < rxr> and so on ...
16:13 < rxr> I now review vdr
16:13 < SMP> wtf. why do we still have gimp 2.0pre3 in 2.0 ..
16:13 < fake> xmltv tv_grab_de_tvtoday is ugly, btw
16:13 < rxr> SMP: because all the DVB apps suck a bit - and I waste so much time on them ..
16:14 < SMP> only a bit? ;>
16:14 < fake> rxr: as i said, if you'd like to start a lean, mean, fast dvb watching app, i'm at your service. i'm not satisifed with either solution
16:15 < rxr> vdr looks better (from the source and first impressions side)
16:15 < rxr> if it works better I'll now in some minutes ...
16:15 < fake> rxr: but it's plugin hell
16:15 < rxr> yes ...
16:15 < fake> rxr: you can forget the vdr-plugins for movie playback, etc
16:16 < rxr> even to find the softdecode plugin that is suppost to work
16:16 < fake> rxr: my favoured solution was freevo in combination with vdr and the vdr-xine plugin
16:16 < fake> that way vdr runs in bg and can record and stuff, but you can use freevo for music playback and videos and stuff
16:16 < fake> if you want to watch tv, just let freevo start xine on the vdr socket
16:17 < rxr> I do not need the later - I only want record and watch via network solution for TV, no music and video center ...
16:17 < fake> (you need to patch the mrl support into xine, though)
16:17 < rxr> some "dvb-t card in the RS/6k" recording and streaming to clients ...
16:17 < rxr> vital features:
16:17 < fake> rxr: found the streamdev plugin? i wrote a patch for it to work with 1.3.11 vdr
16:17 < rxr> - fast channel switching
16:18 < rxr> - recording and wathcing multple program stream on the same transponder
16:18 < rxr> - EPG
16:18 < rxr> - network streaming
16:18 < rxr> yep - found the plugin ...
16:18 < rxr> I test it later - when the basic stuff does work locally ...
16:18 < fake> i need some more stuff
16:18 < fake> - client has to support lirc
16:19 < fake> - no special file formats, just plain MPEG2 ts
16:19 < fake> - should be integratable into freevo or some other set-top-box-style program
16:20 < fake> (though that's easy, you can start arbitrary programs with freevo)
16:20 < fake> rxr: maybe some solution with {t,c,s}zap + dvbstream + mplayer (at least the code from those)
16:21 < fake> - extendable OSD -> so i can put arbitrary notifications on my tv
16:22 < fake> ("ROCK Build on $HOST finished: .. total, .. built, .. errors")
16:23 < rxr> why the hell does the vdr startup always restart learnign keycodes ??
16:23 < blindy> because it's learnresistant
16:25 < rxr> fake: ah - _and_ most important _native_ channels scanning !!!
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16:25 < fake> ack!
16:25 < rxr> why the hell does mythtv need to make such a fucked up database filling out of it ... ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
16:25 < fake> rxr: only for a few seconds... no idea
16:25 < fake> rxr: but that's only in the softdevice
16:26 < fake> rxr: xine-out doesn't do that
16:26 < rxr> fake: do you mean it foes away automaically?
16:26 < rxr> or what do I need to do to start the real vdr?
16:26 < fake> rxr: it should, if it doesn't get any keys?
16:26 < rxr> hm
16:27 < fake> rxr: have you read the INSTALL file and passed the specific make options for KEYBOARD remote?
16:28 < rxr> I read the files - but do not remeber s.th. about remote stuff ...
16:28 < fake> rxr: you can pass vdr's make i.e. REMOTE=LIRC or something like that
16:28 < fake> there is also a REMOTE=KEYBOARD - or the like (not that straightforward)
16:29 < fake> rxr: if you press no keys, it should go away after a minute or so...
16:29 < rxr> after a minute ?!?!?
16:29 < rxr> ok ...
16:29 < rxr> my vdr Makefile has REMOTE_KBD ...
16:29 < rxr> which should be ok for me ..
16:29 < fake> jop
16:30 < fake> make REMOTE_KBD=1 ..
16:30 < rxr> the annoying "Learning Remote Control Keys (softdevice-xv) does only happen the first startup?
16:31 < fake> rxr: it should... not sure if it did, though
16:32 < fake> rxr: press some keys
16:32 < fake> rxr: then it should read "Learning Remote Control Keys (Keyboard) or so
16:32 < fake> rxr: and then the config begins after some more time
16:32 < fake> rxr: just be patient
16:32 < fake> rxr: i tried to "fix" that a whole day until i noticed the long timeouts...
16:33  * blindy gone
16:34 < rxr> i went thru it once and safed
16:34 < rxr> but then it starts again ...
16:38 < fake> rxr: okay, then it does present it at every startup
16:38 < fake> rxr: it should go away after a few secs...
16:39 < rxr> hm - no - not here
16:40 < fake> rxr: try the xine output plugin.. it works there...
16:42 < fake> rxr: is there a reason you don't want to vote pro '2004072203365200795' ?
16:43 < rxr> yes - that I skip 2.1 and submaster for now ... - other things to do ..
16:43 < rxr> fake: this one:
16:43 < rxr> http://home.vr-web.de/~rnissl/vdr-xine-0.4.3.tgz
16:43 < rxr> ?
16:43 < fake> rxr: yep
16:43 < fake> rxr: you will need to rebuilt xine-libs and xine-ui from cvs...
16:44 < rxr> I feared that ..
16:44 < fake> rxr: c'mon
16:44 < fake> rxr: the minimal-desktop is b0rken, that simple patch fixes it. move your ass (mouse) and click 'vote pro'
16:45 < rxr>  (clifford) or (stefanp) could vote pro, too ;-)
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16:46 < rxr> clicked ..
16:47 < fake> Real Networks Hacks iPod; .rm & Real Store for iPod
16:47 < fake> wooho.
16:47 < fake> rxr: thanks
16:47 < fake> minimal-desktop is your baby ;)
16:48 < rxr> The next step should be to build the VDR plugin. The current release needs a
16:48 < rxr> little modification of VDR's file "transfer.c".
16:48 < rxr> huh ?
16:48 < rxr> I even need to patch vdr for it ...
16:49 < fake> rxr: only change a #define
16:50 < rxr> recompiling earch pkg after another get's boring
16:53 < fake> jep
16:54 < fake> we need a SOAP bases J2EE web service for DVB streaming
16:54 < fake> *g*
16:56 < daja77> .oO (fake sound like those losers on easterhegg)
16:58 < fake> HEY!
16:58 < fake> SOAP is the future ;)
16:59 < daja77> they wanted to implement realtime voip in java ...
16:59 < fake> SMP could write .NET support so we can watch TV in the browser natively...
16:59 < fake> daja77: that's already done (and even open source, iirc)
17:00 < daja77> well ...
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17:07  * fake wants some more stuff in the .cache file
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17:09 < madtux> hello.
17:14 < fake> hi mike
17:15 < madtux> hey fake :)
17:19 < netrunner> mnemoc: the guy from clip wrote one should not use the patch.tgz. And he'll create a new release now.
17:19  * netrunner was fallen asleep for 2h. cooking coffee now.
17:22 < mnemoc> netrunner: and what should we use then?
17:23 < mnemoc> madtux!
17:23 < mnemoc> netrunner: 1.1.11-1 released :)
17:24 < madtux> hello mnemocy
17:25 < netrunner> the ftp://ftp.itk.ru/pub/clip/clip-prg-1.1.11-1.tgz ... the patch.tgz is only for developers as he said.
17:26 < fake> hehe: http://www.purgatory.net/mp3/darkmateria_the_picard_song.mp3
17:29 < fake> http://www.mdstud.chalmers.se/~md1gavan/mips64emul/index.html
17:29 < fake> cool!
17:29 < fake> a mips emulator! finally
17:30 < netrunner> the song sounds funny.
17:31 < fake> it's cut together from original picard's sayings
17:31 < fake> moving from sentence to sentence... *g*
17:33 < fake> topic to topic
17:35 < SMP> hmm. I thought almost "everyone" wrote a MIPS emulator at one time
17:36 < SMP> but mips64emul sound like the one to emulator a system with peripheals
17:37 < rxr> fake: does vdr give you a better runtime performance over mythtv ?
17:40 < fake> rxr: as in cpu load?
17:41 < fake> rxr: yes
17:41 < fake> SMP: yep
17:41 < netrunner> mnemoc: I have the same problem with mkdvd, they seem to release frequently, and always with the same name :/
17:41 < fake> SMP: it looks very promising
17:42 < netrunner> damn, I think I shot my build again by using -newdelete :((
17:43 < mnemoc> netrunner: i'll sent the update patch as soon as the tarball get in their mirror
17:43 < mnemoc> official site is a bit slow
17:44 < netrunner> mnemoc: what is this btw? I read something about corba ...
17:44 < mnemoc> a clipper compiler :)
17:45 < fake> omg
17:45 < fake> clipper
17:46 < netrunner> ? wasn't that a movie series with a dolphin?
17:46 < fake> that's flipper
17:46 < netrunner> oh :)
17:46 < mnemoc> fake: they provide gtk2 intergace too :)
17:46 < fake> *rofl*
17:47 < mnemoc> netrunner: clipper, dbase and foxpro were xbase compilers
17:47 < mnemoc> currently i use it to migrate the apps of a company to linux, with postgres instead of dbf/ntx
17:48 < SMP> *brr*
17:49 < fake> okay, rock compile for sparc64 without nssdb and pam finished... this one's ought to work perfectly...
17:50 < fake> 254 builds total, 214 completed fine, 25 with errors.
17:50 < fake> not that bad
18:02 < netrunner> what can be the cause of build/black-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-m-32-desktop-expert/bin/bash: relocation error: build/black-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-m-32-desktop-expert/bin/bash: undefined symbol: __guard ?
18:03 < netrunner> I just enforced a rebuild on the stages 0 and 1 by removing their logs. it won't enter stage2 now with this error
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18:18 < SMP> netrunner: that has something to do with the stack-protector I suppose
18:22 < fake> aaaah...
18:22 < fake> finally. the sparc64 bootet up like a charm.
18:22 < fake> (despite the init messages being not really serial terminal compatible...)
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18:37 < rxr> wow - the pathed cvs xine does not work - solid filled window with Xv ...
18:37 < rxr> this is all a shit damn f*cked up crap ...
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19:16 < mnemoc> Google     
19:16 < mnemoc> Error 
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19:16 < mnemoc> Server Error
19:16 < mnemoc> The service you requested is not available at this time.
19:16 < mnemoc> Service error -27.
19:16 < mnemoc> heheheh
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19:43 < fake> ls
19:43 < fake> >_<
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19:45 < netrunne1> arg, my server cored :/
19:45 < fake> the whole server?
19:45 < fake> core.linux ?
19:45 < fake> ;)
19:45 < mnemoc> kernel produced a core instead of panic? ;)
19:46 < netrunne1> ok, paniced would be better spoken.
19:46 < netrunne1> argh, I hate when that happens.
19:47 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/mem make it panic quite fast ;)
19:48 < fake> captain - jean picard - uss - enterprise *sing*
19:48 < mnemoc> bbl
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20:34  * fake sm created trunk on the sparc64 *wee*
20:44  * fake off to munich
20:46  * netrunner installing current rock, before the rest of this build also jumps the jordan
21:06 < netrunner> damn, there is no gcc :/
21:17 < netrunner> arg, now I installed another, and this one has no stacksmashing
21:18 < netrunner> hope that it at least can rebuild a new gcc
21:19 < netrunner> no, it doesnt :(
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21:41 < rxr> tell me - what are you trying on your systems?
21:45 < jsaw> re
21:45 < jsaw> netrunner: what are you optimization settings?
21:47 < netrunner> jsaw: pentium-m with stack smashing. but somehow now my build recovered.
21:47 < jsaw> no, i mean "size" or?
21:47 < netrunner> size. smart didn't leave stage 1 
21:47 < jsaw> size is evil with stack smashing.
21:48 < netrunner> why? are the symbols stripped away?
21:48 < jsaw> -s may delete those __guard and other stack-smashing symbols.
21:48 < jsaw> yes
21:48 < jsaw> sometimes.
21:48 < netrunner> argl.
21:48 < jsaw> don't know why and when. 
21:48 < jsaw> for sure the stripped .a libs don't keep the symbols.
21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: you could have told me before :)
21:49 < jsaw> (-> X server might not run properly, e.g. at least that's what happend to me a few months ago.)
21:49 < mnemoc> are .lo and .la files needed?
21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: this is why I am rebuilding xorg atm.
21:49 < jsaw> I thought it was only X, that had problems (and I said this on IRC!!!)
21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: shall I just build xorg optimized for speed?
21:49 < netrunner> jsaw: maybe I was offline :)
21:50 < netrunner> jsaw: what did you do against it?
21:52 < jsaw> at that time, using gcc instead of ld cured the problems, however I didn't know how to fix it for X, and so reported on irc...
21:54 < jsaw> and the stripped .a files did not seem to be a problem, as proper linking also cured the problem. Now, i wonder if the brand (too) new gcc 3.4 might do things different...
21:54 < netrunner> have you tried simply not stripping X
21:55 < jsaw> nope, I've been to new to rock - and had no idea how to do that..., since then i never tried stack protector again... :(
21:57 < netrunner>  XFree86 as of 4.3.0-r2 no longer strips the -fstack-protector flag.
21:57 < netrunner> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/hardened/propolice.xml
21:58 < netrunner> oh, wrong direction :)
21:58 < mnemoc> SSP sounds better than 'propolice'
21:59 < jsaw> no, good hint. Seems like it should be working now.
21:59 < netrunner> yeah, except the video modules. which are where I get the unresolved symbols.
22:00 < jsaw> If it finds that we are, it will then explicitely add -fno-stack-protector to the module building
22:00 < jsaw> (XFree86)
22:00 < jsaw> that can't be the way to fix it...
22:01 < jsaw> There must be a way to keep the ssp symbols around.
22:04 < netrunner> maybe http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/patches/downloads/XFree86/XFree86-4.3.0-ssp-1.patch is a solution
22:15  * netrunner trying to build with it.
22:15 < jsaw> does it still apply?
22:17 < owl> remoin
22:18 < jsaw> hi owl
22:18 < jsaw> remember, we were talking about horses, and I said: "comes time comes daughter wants horse..."
22:18 < netrunner> jsaw: yup.
22:18 < jsaw> ... time came faster than expected ...
22:18 < owl> jsaw: huh? O_o
22:18 < jsaw> she sat on a horse this weekend. 
22:19 < owl> hehehehehehehehehe
22:19 < true> o_O
22:19 < owl> jsaw: how old is she? ;) and which horse? where?
22:20 < jsaw> we were just watching "aufzaeumen", a bit of small-talk... and then the man invited Marlene to sit on the  horse during "aufwaermen"
22:20 < jsaw> 2.5 years
22:20 < jsaw> in the village (~3000ppl) I grew up, ppl my mum knows
22:20 < owl> :) i c. 
22:21 < owl> and she liked it? ;)
22:21 < jsaw> O-Ton Marlene: "Und morgen kaufen wir ein Pferd fuer mich, fuer Mama und fuer Papa"
22:21 < owl> *lol* cool!
22:21 < owl> how tall is she?
22:21 < jsaw> oh, she loved it. not a single bit anxiety
22:22 < jsaw> wild guess: between 80 and 100cm
22:23 < owl> :))) well - then --> http://thenull.funpic.de/weblog/index.php?op=Template&blogId=1&show=links --> "pferde". some URLs about where you can buy horses *vbeg*
22:23 < owl> jsaw: hmmm. a wels B would be ok *guessing*
22:23 < owl> maybe a welsh C, too
22:23 < jsaw> Ctrl-D
22:24 < owl> huh?
22:24 < jsaw> (bookmarked)
22:24 < owl> hrhr. k. 
22:25 < jsaw> (my brain is like a sieve, nothing is kept unless there's some external note taken :)
22:26 < owl> hehe. well - or you can just ask /me for the url again 
22:29 < jsaw> well, right.
22:30 < netrunner> small girls always want animals, and discard them after a short time.
22:32 < owl> hmmm. depends. imho
22:32 < jsaw> right. I won't take my daughters wish serious until, a) she's really old enough, meaning, she devolops some basic sense of resposibility or b) I have time and want a horse myself :)))))
22:32 < owl> hm. if i were you, i would enable her to take riding lessons... 
22:33 < jsaw> not easy to find for below 5 years
22:33 < owl> yeah, i know. hm. or maybe a "voltigier gruppe". that should be easier. 
22:34 < owl> but afaik there are some "staelle" who have only ponys etc. - and also teaching smaller < 5 years old children ...
22:34 < jsaw> <- keeps that in mind for another year until I finish my education and earn a bit more money
22:35 < owl> hehe. or so
22:37 < jsaw> clifford applied my create-cksumpatch patch without discussion...
22:37 < jsaw> everything okay with him?
22:38 < jsaw> <- reasonalby puzzled
22:38 < jsaw> reasonably
22:46 < jsaw> rxr: would you consider checking sm for what needs your vote?
22:49 < jsaw> okay, have to do some experiments now, cu later
23:01 < rxr> no
23:01 < rxr> people can apply it without vote - I do not track 2.1 anymore
23:03 < mnemoc> rxr: what about 2.0?
23:16 < th> rxr: yea - what about the 2.0 policy? i always thought it should go in 2.1 first and you merge it
23:16 < th> rxr: do you accept patches for stable tree directly?
23:17 < mnemoc> a submaster for 2.0? ;)
23:17 < th> lol
23:18 < netrunner> jsaw: the interesting thing with it is that I fixed the original, and my patches also got applied.
23:39 < rxr> th: yes
23:39 < rxr> mnemoc: NACK
23:39 < mnemoc> :p
23:39 < th> rxr: ok. so i'm going to send patches instead of asking for merge
23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: can you take a look into the 'merge requests' i sent you (cc/ML)?
23:41 < owl> <- sleeping. gn8
23:42 < mnemoc> gn8 owl 
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