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--- Log opened Tue Jul 27 00:00:57 2004 00:08 < mnemoc> i _hate_ bash scoping!! 00:49 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 00:51 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:15 < jsaw> rxr: clifford does not apply stuff w/o repo owner vote pro 01:16 < jsaw> anyway, /me tired, good night all! 01:33 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.220.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:33 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:33 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:33 [Users #rocklinux] 01:33 [ [anders]] [ fake ] [ luckz ] [ rolla ] [ th ] 01:33 [ blindy ] [ Freak ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 01:33 [ daja77 ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr_ ] [ true ] 01:33 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ SerWou] [ valentin] 01:33 [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] [ zzoc ] 01:33 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal] 01:33 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:33 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 01:34 < th> rxr_: what's up are you on backup line? 01:42 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.249.77.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:43 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@p213.54.220.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:50 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.249.77.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:18 < fake> re hi 02:23 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.56.165.232] has joined #rocklinux 03:19 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.56.165.232] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031115]"] 04:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F9DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:02 -!- blindy [~blindcode@p54803B4E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:02 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 05:22 < fake> hrmpf 05:22 < fake> checking for mipsel-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc... gcc-34 05:35 < fake> daja77: glibc.conf line 252 -> the enable-hackermode stuff - shouldn't that read $arch == hppa and not $arch = hppa ? 05:36 < fake> because $arch = hppa should always be true... 06:24 < fake> aaargh 06:25 < fake> glibc needs to know wether i want to compile for 64 or 32 bit userlands. it does this by setting 'mabi={32,64}' and passing it to the compiler - in stage 0, the host compiler! 06:25 < fake> my x86 compiler does not understand that 06:39 -!- lowks [~chatzilla@219.93.24.31] has joined #rocklinux 06:39 < lowks> is there like a package manager similar to apt for rocklinux ? 06:40 < fake> daja77: i just noticed - forget that $arch = hppa comment - i need sleep 06:40 < fake> lowks: see /usr/bin/rocket 06:40 < lowks> fake thanks 06:40 < fake> but it's most likely not what you expect. 06:41 < fake> no global binary repositories of packages 06:41 < fake> but it's easy to set up your own and distributing your updates with rocket 06:45 < lowks> fake: just need something to track updates and settle dependancies 06:47 < fake> lowks: rocket will not do that for you - except maybe in the future if you use an official ROCK ISO 06:47 < lowks> fake: what is being used to track updates now ? 06:47 < fake> lowks: depends. are you a distribution creator or a rock linux user? 06:48 < lowks> rock linux noobie user .... refugee from another distro 06:48 < fake> lowks: then you didn't build you ROCK Linux system yourself? 06:48 < lowks> fake: hmmm 06:49 < fake> lowks: in that case i'd suggest following dist releases. 06:49 < lowks> alright 06:50 < fake> lowks: if you built your own distribution, or are confident with the build system, ./scripts/Update-System might be worth a try 06:50 < lowks> sounds good 06:50 < fake> lowks: there may be a binary update service for officiel ROCK ISOs in the future (will be discussed in 2 weeks) 06:51 < lowks> so far i like rocks installer 06:51 < lowks> easy to understand 06:51 < lowks> a bit like slack 06:51 < fake> but, of course, the best way is to subsribe to the submaster or subversion mailing list, track subversion changes, upgrade regularly and send lots of patches to submaster if something doesn't work ;) 07:01 * fake needs sleep... bbl... 07:04 < luckz> :) 08:13 < blindy> moin 10:14 < owl> moin 10:30 < blindy> moin moin 10:30 < rxr_> re 10:30 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:30 < daja77> moin rxr 10:30 < daja77> <- back from exam 10:32 < owl> hi blindy , rxr , daja77 10:32 < owl> daja77: how was it? 10:32 < daja77> owl: quite ok i think 10:34 < owl> :) 10:36 < netrunner> moin 10:37 < daja77> moin netrunner 10:37 < netrunner> seen https://ds.ccc.de/083/obsoc ? 10:37 < netrunner> the rebuild of X without the stacksmashing helped btw. 10:38 < netrunner> now I only need to install the correct linux-drm drivers ... 10:38 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]"] 10:39 < daja77> erhm why i got this message when trying to rebuild a kernel from rock src on an installed system? 10:39 < daja77> make: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/R.build/generic-2.0.2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/usr/src/linux-2.4.26-rock/include/asm/param.h«, 10:39 < daja77> benötigt von »/R.build/generic-2.0.2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/usr/src/linux-2.4.26-rock/include/linux/sched.h«, zu erstellen. Schluss. 10:40 < daja77> I mean there shouldn't be a sandbox ... 10:43 < blindy> rxr: looks good with 5th August. A co-worker will finish the machine if I can't get it done in time 10:43 < daja77> hi blindy 10:44 < blindy> rxr: And most probably I won't because it got delayed by three days and will arrive the day after tomorrow instead of yesterday 10:44 < blindy> hi daja77 10:44 < daja77> strange now it works 10:45 < owl> please "drueckt mir die daumen" have to go to MDK, "psychosoziale beratung" 10:45 < owl> bye 10:45 < blindy> bye owly 11:14 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:14 < SerWou> Hello Guys 11:16 < daja77> hi SerWou 11:17 < SerWou> hello daja77 11:17 < blindy> moin SerWou 11:18 < SerWou> i talked to translate the RockLinux Doc in French 11:18 < daja77> you did? 11:18 < SerWou> not yet 11:19 < SerWou> Do you thing it's a good idea ? 11:19 < SerWou> i'm a linux newbie, but i want to do something for RockLinux 11:19 < daja77> if it helps frech rock users why not 11:20 < daja77> but be aware that it will be a lot of work to do, because they got updated quite frequently 11:20 < SerWou> Who manage the Doc ? 11:21 < daja77> most of it is done by rxr atm 11:21 < SerWou> rxr 11:21 < SerWou> do you know his email ? 11:22 < SerWou> who is : pjotr@rocklinux.org 11:23 < daja77> no not this adress 11:25 < SerWou> Is there a 1 page HTML version of the Rockkinux Doc ? 11:26 < rxr> SerWou: no 11:26 < rxr> there is no one-page versin 11:26 < rxr> my address is: rene@rocklinux.org ... 11:26 < SerWou> hello rene 11:26 < SerWou> i sent you an email 11:27 < SerWou> my email : linuxmasterjedi@free.fr ;) i'm not a Jedi Master ;) 11:27 < SerWou> an One-page Html version can be helpfull 11:28 < daja77> apprentice? 11:28 < SerWou> on Rock : yes 11:30 < SerWou> so rxr, is it interesting for you ? 11:36 < th> moin 11:37 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 11:46 < SerWou> ok 11:46 < SerWou> time to work now 11:47 < SerWou> see you guys 11:47 < th> fake: awake? 11:48 < rxr> damn dvb crap 12:05 < blindy> back 12:12 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:14 < TxD> moin 12:29 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:34 < esden> hi ho everyone 12:38 < rxr> hi esden 12:41 < blindy> moin esden 12:41 < blindy> rxr: read my message to you? 12:41 < blindy> argh 12:42 < blindy> brb 12:48 < esden> hi rxr, blindy 12:54 < blindy> WEE! 12:54 < blindy> The "Wohnung" I looked at yesterday has DSL available :) 13:00 < daja77> flat ... 13:00 < daja77> hi esden :) 13:03 < blindy> thanks 13:08 < rxr> blindy: yes - I hope I read all 13:10 < blindy> rxr: 2 lines. Basically: We will leave on August 5th, probably around 10 AM 13:15 < daja77> https://www.ccc.de/t-hack/stn/inhlt/drartkl.htm 13:16 < daja77> omg 13:18 < th> this is not the full story 13:19 < th> https://ds.ccc.de/083/obsoc/document_view 13:19 < th> or is it just another font seeming much more? 13:20 < daja77> dunno it is quite much 13:20 < th> oh it's both the same length 13:21 < th> it's been on https://www.tagesschau.de/ yesterday 13:21 < daja77> ah nice 13:21 < th> and they put it offline today 13:21 < daja77> so you see why our country is down 13:21 < daja77> siemens can't build trains any longer 13:21 < daja77> the telekom is screwed ... 13:30 < blindy> as if that would be news... 13:31 < daja77> erhn no 13:36 < th> perhaps the right time to buy some intershop ;) 13:41 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:02 < netrunner> ah, much better. (had lunch) 14:04 < blindy> hehe 14:05 * blindy is sleepy 14:11 < owl> the IQ from some people is fascinating. 14:11 < owl> every "misthaufen" has an higher IQ 14:11 < owl> *pointing to my doctor* 14:12 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:15 < netrunner> owl: did you get bad results? 14:16 < owl> netrunner: nope. but i know now why i had to go to the MDK. and this result was - aufschlussreich 14:17 < owl> extrem aufschlussreich '*grtz* 14:17 < netrunner> owl: do you happen to know dict.leo.org? 14:18 < owl> netrunner: have no browser on this machine, sorry. 14:31 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-082-083-047-081.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:32 < blindy> owl: in which way? 14:32 < blindy> owl: what were the results? 14:33 -!- Nicks [~bla@p5080473A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:33 < esden> hi Nicks 14:33 < esden> ;) 14:34 < Nicks> Hi also 14:34 < daja77> esden: will you be at devmeeting? 14:34 < esden> daja77: I think so ... 14:35 < esden> when is the date? 14:35 < blindy> esden: you HAVE to be or I'll kick your lazy ass 14:35 < daja77> cool :) 14:35 < esden> blindy: uuups 14:35 < esden> that hurts ;) 14:35 < blindy> yes, yes it does 14:35 < esden> ok ... so I WILL!!! be there ;) 14:35 < blindy> esden: good boy *pat* 14:35 < daja77> :D 14:35 < esden> blindy: *GG* 14:36 < blindy> esden: Fri 6th to Mon 9th of August 14:36 < blindy> valentin, rxr and I will be in IN from late Thursday to late Sunday 14:36 < Nicks> esden: lets go 14:37 < daja77> hm could show up thursday too i think 14:37 < esden> Nicks: let's go? where? ;) 14:37 < Nicks> esden: workin ? , what else ? 14:37 < esden> blindy: ohh that is good news 14:38 < esden> Nicks: :P 14:38 < blindy> daja77: it is mostly a question of a 6-hour travel by car 14:38 < esden> ok guys ... I think I have to continue working ;) 14:38 < blindy> esden: Work? YOU? 14:38 < daja77> 3.5h from here, perhaps less 14:38 < blindy> that's news 14:38 < esden> blindy: *GRR* 14:38 * blindy hides 14:38 < esden> blindy: that is the same thing that you are supposed to do ;) 14:39 < Nicks> esden: it doesnt help anything else 14:39 < blindy> esden: no, because the system I'm supposed to work on got delayed by three days and will arrive on Thursday 14:39 < esden> blindy: you lucky boy 14:39 < blindy> ^^ 14:39 < esden> blindy: what are you planning to do during the the weekend ;) 14:40 < esden> blindy: we could do something together ;) 14:40 < blindy> this weekend? 14:40 < blindy> or next? 14:40 -!- Nicks [~bla@p5080473A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 14:40 < esden> blindy: the one you are in IN 14:40 < daja77> esden: yeah you wanted to drink with me ... 14:41 < blindy> esden: hmm... well... DevMeeting is what I was planning 14:41 < esden> daja77: *sigh* ... you do not forget anything ... don't you? 14:41 < daja77> lol nope 14:41 < daja77> you drink and i'll laugh ^^ 14:42 < esden> urm ... ok 14:42 < daja77> *ggg* 14:43 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-197-187.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:43 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:43 < esden> ok ... so I will probably be there on friday ... as early as I can manage it ... 14:43 < esden> because of my work ... 14:43 < blindy> where are you right now? 14:45 < esden> in Eching at work 14:45 < esden> trying to work ;) 14:46 < esden> and installing my new shiny develmachine ;) 14:46 < blindy> i see 15:17 < mnemoc> moin! 15:17 < blindy> moin moin 15:18 < mnemoc> hi blindy, esden & daja 15:19 < esden> hi mnemoc 15:22 < daja77> hi mnemoc 15:23 * daja77 rolling on the floor laughing 15:27 < mnemoc> uhm? 15:28 < daja77> I am egtting rid of that rt stuff this week 15:28 < daja77> we sell an unfinished product 15:28 < daja77> the customer comes on thursday 15:28 < daja77> will be a great show 15:29 < mnemoc> oh 15:31 < blindy> hehe 15:31 < blindy> daja77: send pics :D 15:32 < daja77> hehe 15:32 < mnemoc> pictures? and mpg ;) 15:32 < daja77> they just planned what to say 15:33 < daja77> it was funny 15:33 < blindy> daja77: and? what is the general consens? 15:34 < daja77> hehe they'll what much work we've done and stuff, not mentioning that most stuff is broken .. 15:34 < mnemoc> weren't you fired on that work? 15:35 < daja77> yep, got some additional payment to continue ... 15:35 < mnemoc> not enough money and blah blah blah? 15:35 < mnemoc> ic 15:35 < daja77> but I hate it 15:36 < daja77> and i'll have a small privare party when this shit is over 15:36 < mnemoc> your universitgy will be very happy with this PR ;) 15:38 < daja77> not the university 15:42 < mnemoc> .oO( i thought that was a project of a teacher of you :\ )o 15:44 < daja77> no 15:44 < daja77> i do mac programming for universtity 15:44 < daja77> and writing a paper ;) 15:44 < mnemoc> :p 16:01 -!- madtux [~mike@200.122.133.176] has joined #rocklinux 16:02 < madtux> hello. 16:02 < daja77> hi madtux! 16:02 < madtux> hello dany boy 16:06 < th> cli ftp client needed. must be capable of recursive directory fetch.. ncftp does not seem to work here.. 16:07 < daja77> wget 16:08 < th> daja77: does wget do ftp "ls" or "dir" commands to get files in dir? 16:09 < daja77> dunno 16:09 < th> seems so 16:10 < th> didn't know that 16:15 < mnemoc> madtux! 16:15 < madtux> mnemoc! 16:15 < mnemoc> how is your master? 16:16 < madtux> been re-constructed.. 16:16 < madtux> current in pieces over a table 16:16 < mnemoc> outch 16:16 < madtux> its ok.. it will be back to live soon 17:00 < mnemoc> madtux: btw, we stink in soccer, but we defeated uk on polo yesterday ;) 17:01 < madtux> mnemoc: wee! 17:01 < madtux> i played some soccer last night at my gf's house with my brothers in law and cousins 17:02 < madtux> they can hardly walk *G* 17:02 < mnemoc> arquero? 17:02 < daja77> it only counts when you beat them in cricket ^^ 17:02 < blindy> moin madtux 17:02 < mnemoc> daja77: :( 17:02 < daja77> mnemoc: just joking 17:02 < madtux> well my team won 8-4.. i made 6 of our 8 goals 17:02 < mnemoc> Coronation Cup is a very important cup 17:02 < madtux> hello blindy ! 17:02 < daja77> the australians do quite frequently and making fun of it 17:03 < mnemoc> daja77: =) 17:05 < fake> th: yes, now i am ;) 17:05 < blindy> hi fake 17:05 < fake> hiho 17:05 < blindy> fake: can I "dump" rxr and valentin at your house on the 5th already? 17:06 < fake> blindy: that's thursday, right? 17:06 < blindy> correct 17:07 < blindy> around 17:00, maybe later 17:07 < fake> that should be o.k. 17:08 < blindy> good 17:08 < blindy> because we will leave here early Thursday already 17:08 < fake> mkay 17:08 < fake> ride carefully... 17:09 < blindy> sure do 17:09 < daja77> fake: hm we should talk when i should come too ... 17:09 < blindy> I don't want to wreck two cars within one year 17:13 < fake> daja77: friday? at least that's the official start ;) 17:14 < daja77> <- off 17:14 < fake> *someone* should arrive on friday, so it can 'officially start' ;)) 17:19 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:23 < blindy> fake: I will :) 17:24 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 17:24 < armijn> 'lo 17:24 < blindy> moin 17:24 < armijn> fake awake? 17:24 < mnemoc> hi armijn 17:24 < armijn> I had some problems with e2fsprogs 17:25 < armijn> and I googled and saw that you had a patch in submaster 17:25 < mnemoc> fake is awake and kicking ;) 17:25 < armijn> hmmkay 17:25 < armijn> as in, a patch for e2fsprogs and kernel 2.6.7 17:25 < armijn> I sent an e-mail to the maintainer and got a reply... 17:25 < armijn> with 2.6.8 the patch is not necessary anymore 17:26 < armijn> and just wanted to say that...that's all 17:26 < armijn> oh, and of course prod owl... 17:26 * armijn prods owl 17:31 < madtux> armijn: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 17:31 * madtux grabs a bier and pass another one to armijn 17:33 < armijn> heh 17:33 < armijn> it's madtux... 17:34 < netrunner> what can I do against a multiline char[] definition in c? 17:34 < madtux> gott... you forgot about me. 17:35 < netrunner> ah, \n\ at the end of the lines helped. 17:35 < madtux> armijn: ah well even though u forget about old friends.. its nice to see you around.. alive. :) 17:43 < fake> i'm here 17:46 < fake> armijn: the fd.h stuff 17:50 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:02 < armijn> fake: yeh 18:03 < armijn> fake: I'll forward it 18:10 * netrunner 2cm before working swsusp 18:10 < netrunner> and only using it because the hibernate partition accidently got 5mb to small 18:11 < netrunner> hm. now that I use old style devname it comes back up, trying with X... 18:14 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.labs.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux [] 18:14 < netrunner> wow, works. I am astonished. 18:17 < fake> armijn: that's settled... 18:17 < fake> armijn: it's fixed in 2.6.8-rc1 18:18 < madtux> fake: armijn left the chan.. 18:18 < mnemoc> hehe 18:20 < fake> hrmpg 18:21 < rxr> re 18:21 < fake> rxr: hi 18:21 < madtux> rxr hello. 18:21 < fake> rxr: the benh kernel patches - are they needed for an old world powermac? 18:25 < fake> rxr: i see. that whole stuff is not in HEAD. hrmpf. 18:25 < mnemoc> hi rxr 18:25 < rxr> I never had a old world powermac in my hands 18:26 < rxr> a vanilla kernel should do 18:28 < fake> jep 18:28 < fake> a 7200 with no graphical OF output and no serial cable around ... ;) 18:56 < fake> argh 18:59 < fake> mips glibc install-headers sets mabi=32 - on the host compiler 18:59 < fake> and it doesn't work without it, it seems 19:16 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:16 < netrunner> any experience how I should send 2004072718452707436 upstream? 19:16 < netrunner> (the window was only viewable with xinerama ;) 19:17 < TxD> moin 19:17 < netrunner> hi txd 19:36 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8D386.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 < fake> ha, fixed it 19:37 < netrunne1> fake: what? 19:38 < netrunne1> world order? 19:38 < fake> no, more important stuff 19:38 < fake> mips glibc cross 19:38 < netrunne1> :) 19:42 < netrunne1> hm, booting into a new kernel after swsusp shouldn't be a good idea, hm? 19:42 < fake> err... no. 19:44 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D825.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:49 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:04 < netrunne1> args. the kernel disagrees about version of symbol struct_module 20:04 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 20:06 -!- _Lewellyn [~lewellyn@adsl-64-142-12-231.sonic.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:21 < rxr> THIS UNBELIEVABLE DAMN CRAPPY SHIT !!!! 20:21 < rxr> now I fixed _some_ endianess bugs in CVS and streamdev - now even the IP address mask is not endianess safe ... 20:21 * rxr heavy headshake against the wall 20:22 < rxr> even after entering it in the gui, it is show in the reversed order 20:22 < rxr> and it is also transmitted byteswapped on the inet ... 20:22 < rxr> HOW THE HELL CAN PEOPLE WRITE THAT BROKEN CODE ... 20:22 < rxr> any damn command line tool is able to do this right ... 20:23 * rxr now entering the IP reversed to see what the shit damn crappy codes does then ... 20:23 * rxr 2mm away starting an own video player and DVB system ... 20:24 < fake> rxr: oh my 20:25 < fake> rxr: the x86 virus 20:25 < rxr> I never stumbled over an app that broken 20:25 < rxr> not to mention all the stuff did not worked flawlessly on x86 even ... 20:26 < fake> rxr: dvbstream with a simple socket-based app to tzap ? 20:27 < rxr> anything but all those borked GUI crap 20:27 < rxr> and you know what? I even found a huge bug in the Radeon X driver ... 20:28 < rxr> on the way thru this DVB madness ... 20:28 < fake> rxr: it's just TV, remember that 20:28 < rxr> TV i'm not able to watch due to all that crap 20:29 < fake> rxr: you're missing nothing, i mean ;) 20:29 < rxr> and this is why you use those? 20:29 < rxr> to see nothing? 20:30 < rxr> I even had to fix grave template oddities in the streamdev code - because those people tried to be smart reimplementing the STL::List ... 20:31 < rxr> ahaha, streamdev ChangeLog: 20:31 < rxr> Implemented an IP-Editor for the setup menu 20:31 < rxr> ^- yeah what a nice broken thing ... 20:36 < fake> rxr: i use x86, i was not completely motivated to reimplement it, because it somehow works there, and 'it's just tv' 20:37 < _Lewellyn> fake: with comments like that, i almost expect you to be a disillusioned american ;) 20:39 < fake> _Lewellyn: not quite - german - but i guess the tv program doesn't differ that much 20:42 < _Lewellyn> i figured you were german, based on your host. but have you seen the crap that passes for entertainment here? :( 20:42 < _Lewellyn> (luckily, i don't usually) 20:43 < netrunner> ARG. since when is my kernel so picky about symbols? he still 'disagrees' about my versions :/ 20:47 < rxr> hm - the streamdev does not work a bit - it does not really respond to packets on port 3000 20:48 < rxr> even tested to fill with telnet ... damn 20:48 < netrunner> arg. know what I dislike with our setup procedure? the usage of /boot/vmlinuz :/ 20:49 < rxr> fake: do you use vdr-1.2 or -1.3 ? 20:52 < _Lewellyn> so, how would one go about upgrading a system from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2? 21:06 < _Lewellyn> anyone? i didn't see anything useful on the site. 21:10 < mnemoc> *yawn* 21:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: first update your source at /usr/src/rock 21:11 < netrunner> is this my first time? now I cannot use my keyboard :/ 21:11 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: just waking up? 21:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: then copy your config from /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/ to config/default/ 21:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: nope, i just lunched :) 21:12 < _Lewellyn> before i wander over to that machine, are there directions in that tree? 21:12 < mnemoc> a couple of scripts 21:13 < _Lewellyn> mmm. lunch. i should do that before long. 21:14 < mnemoc> go =) i'll be here when you get back 21:16 < _Lewellyn> nah. too early yet 21:17 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]"] 21:20 < _Lewellyn> so, i need to update /usr/src/rock-src? 21:21 < _Lewellyn> which i assume i can do by running scripts/Update-Src? 21:22 < mnemoc> i hope so 21:22 * _Lewellyn crosses his fingers 21:26 < fake> re 21:26 < fake> rxr: i used 1.3.11 21:27 < fake> rxr: i had to adopt a few interface things in the streamdev-plugin 21:29 < rxr> did you ever used 1.2? 21:30 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:30 -!- lewellyn [~matt@adsl-64-142-12-231.sonic.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:31 < lewellyn> ok. 21:31 < fake> rxr: no. why? stable versions are for users ;) 21:31 < lewellyn> @ERROR: Unknown module 'rocklinux-snapshot' 21:31 < lewellyn> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (56 bytes read so far) 21:31 < lewellyn> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(189) 21:32 < SerWou> Hello the Chan 21:32 < lewellyn> what would be causing that with scripts/Update-src? 21:32 < fake> lewellyn: do you use stable 2.0.? or 2.1-DEV ? 21:32 < lewellyn> i'm trying to upgrade 2.0.1 to 2.0.2 21:33 < lewellyn> so, i suppose the answer would be 2.0.1, at the moment. 21:34 < fake> then adopt the first non-comment line in scripts/Update-Src to: 21:35 * [anders] has had his contract terminated two months early by IBM. Leaving on Friday. 21:35 < lewellyn> [anders]: :( 21:35 < fake> srcroot="rsync://www.rocklinux.org/rock-2.0" (IIRC) 21:35 < fake> or was it rock-stable ? 21:35 < [anders]> lewellyn: indeed.. bit short notice as I didn't get to know until this morning 21:35 < fake> [anders]: :( 21:36 < lewellyn> [anders]: even suckier. 21:36 < [anders]> fake: yeah 21:36 < lewellyn> fake: thanks. it's updating now. 21:38 < lewellyn> ok. now Update-Src is done, and i've backed up /etc/ROCK-CONFIG 21:39 < lewellyn> now what? :) 21:39 < lewellyn> (and why do there appear to be no docs on this procedure?) 21:41 < mnemoc> ROCK-CONFIG/ == rock-src/config/default/ ? 21:46 < lewellyn> i don't have a rock-src/config 21:48 < fake> lewellyn: mkdir rock-src/config && cp -r /etc/ROCK-CONFIG rock-src/config/default 21:49 < lewellyn> ah. i didn't catch that 21:50 < lewellyn> but, it is done now 21:50 < fake> ./scripts/Update-System - and pray it still works, i didn't test it for a long time 21:50 * lewellyn prays to his diety 21:51 < lewellyn> is it safe to play nethack while updating? ;) 21:51 < fake> lewellyn: the linux kernel is capable of multi-tasking ;) 21:51 < lewellyn> == 07/27/04 12:56:24 =[9]=> Aborted building package linux24-header. 21:51 < lewellyn> is that normal? 21:51 < fake> woohoo. 21:51 < fake> does it sound normal? 21:52 < lewellyn> no. but, as i haven't done this before, i defer to those who know. 21:52 < lewellyn> crap. everything is aborting. 21:52 < fake> hehe. 21:52 < lewellyn> you sound entertained :( 21:52 < fake> might be easy to fix. look into src.linux24-header*/ERROR-LOG 21:52 < lewellyn> ;) 21:53 < fake> the last few lines might give you a hint. 21:53 < lewellyn> doh 21:53 < lewellyn> tar (child): Cannot open archive /usr/src/rock-src-2.0.1/download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2: No such file or directory 21:53 < fake> *ROFL* 21:53 < lewellyn> that would do it :) 21:54 < fake> oh - that should be fixed 21:54 < fake> Update-System should Emerge-Pkg a package, not just Build-Pkg it 21:54 < lewellyn> ok. 21:54 < fake> let me see... 21:54 < lewellyn> ya. the download dir only has an INDEX file 21:55 < fake> scripts/Update-System - line 52 - 21:55 < fake> change ./scripts/Build-Pkg to ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg 21:55 < lewellyn> ya. i was doing it already :) 21:56 < lewellyn> woo! now i'm getting a usage error from Emerge-Pkg! progress! 21:56 < fake> it *should* work - Emerge-Pkg tries to download missing packages. 21:56 < fake> remove the -update 21:56 < fake> it's default behaviour 21:56 < fake> sorry. 21:57 < lewellyn> doh. ok. 21:58 < lewellyn> ok. it's working on linux26-src now 21:58 < lewellyn> it seems to not care about 24 21:59 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A5A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:02 < lewellyn> bah. still tar cannot find the archives. 22:04 < madtux> ping [anders] 22:04 < daja77> re 22:05 < fake> lewellyn: did it download anything? 22:05 < lewellyn> fake: it appeared to. 22:05 < lewellyn> letting it download 2.4 now to see 22:05 < fake> lewellyn: are you aware that Update-System is experimental? 22:05 < lewellyn> maybe 2.6 was just something odd 22:05 < lewellyn> fake: then what is the "proper" way to upgrade to 2.0.2? 22:06 < fake> lewellyn: a) build it or b) download it 22:06 < fake> err - there are no 2.0.2 ISOs 22:06 < lewellyn> since b) isn't an option 22:06 < lewellyn> ya 22:06 < daja77> b) is no option 22:06 < lewellyn> ;) 22:06 < fake> so, build it 22:06 < lewellyn> that is what i am attempting to do, i thought. 22:07 < fake> lewellyn: Update-System updates the packages in your running system, it does not build a distribution 22:07 < fake> may i suggest you read the ROCK Linux Handbook? ;) 22:08 < fake> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html 22:08 < lewellyn> i have hardcopy 22:08 < lewellyn> what section should i be looking at? 22:09 < fake> woo - noble ;) 22:09 < lewellyn> i'm no newbie ;) 22:09 < lewellyn> i just haven't touched rock linux since 1999 or so. 22:09 < fake> Section II ? 22:09 < lewellyn> maybe a bit earlier 22:22 -!- demian [allyourbas@pD9E0A5A5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 22:23 * fake puzzled 22:24 < madtux> 0_o 22:24 < madtux> oldest rock linux user? 22:25 < fake> i am searching glibc, gcc specs file, linux header files for the definition of MIPS_SIM 22:25 < fake> _MIPS_SIM 22:25 < fake> it defines the ABI Level used 22:25 < fake> and it's not set 22:25 < fake> this should not happen (tm) 22:26 < daja77> me older than fake :p 22:27 * madtux remembers when he was the younguest rock dev.. 22:28 < madtux> then damn blindy turned to be 1 day younger than me 22:29 < daja77> hehe 22:29 < daja77> old boy 22:29 < madtux> woot? ur fat ass is way older than i am! 22:30 < daja77> my face looks younger :p 22:30 < madtux> you have never seem me in person :) 22:30 < daja77> i got a photo ^^ 22:31 * madtux has lost ALOT of weight 22:31 < madtux> so that has helped. 22:31 < madtux> :) 22:31 < daja77> i got a recent photo ^^ 22:31 < madtux> i insist.. 22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: ping 22:56 < daja77> madtux: hm? 23:04 -!- _Lewellyn [~lewellyn@adsl-64-142-12-231.sonic.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:04 < lewellyn> hrm. no wonder this is seeming to take so long. only getting like 250KBps 23:04 < lewellyn> and the router is acting funny 23:05 < lewellyn> (as evidenced by my desktop timing out) 23:06 * mnemoc needs some guide from someone how knows perl _and_ sm.pl code 23:08 < rxr> mnemoc: pong 23:09 < rxr> oh - nah I do not know that ... 23:09 < mnemoc> you know svn :) 23:10 < rxr> yes - that one I konw 23:11 < lewellyn> hrm. ok. since i am sitting here waiting for these files to download... 23:11 < lewellyn> i have another set of questions :) 23:12 < lewellyn> 1) why does the 2.0.1 boot cd hang on my laptop when loading the second stage? :) 23:13 < mnemoc> lewellyn: a bug on dietlibc which affects your laptop 23:13 < lewellyn> 1a) is there a way to show diagnostics? 23:13 < lewellyn> mnemoc: ah 23:13 < lewellyn> so i have to make my own iso? 23:13 < mnemoc> lewellyn: the bug will still be there 23:13 < lewellyn> or is it altogether a lost cause? 23:13 < lewellyn> bah 23:15 < mnemoc> there is a fix on trunk which have not yet merged into 2.0 23:16 < lewellyn> so, if i attempt to build a 2.1 iso it should work? 23:18 < mnemoc> i hope so 23:18 < lewellyn> ok. once i successfully build this iso, i will try that one :) 23:18 < fake> mnemoc: what bug? 23:22 < mnemoc> fake: i can't find the id :\ 23:22 < fake> mnemoc: it's working fine with the livecd's linuxrc 23:23 < fake> mnemoc: do you mean the sysenter support? 23:23 < mnemoc> i got frozes every bootdisk boot on one particular machine, just as lewellyn until i merged dietlibc stuff 23:23 < mnemoc> fake: yes 23:23 < fake> menmoc: yep, well, should only happen if modules are tried to load 23:24 < mnemoc> yes? 23:24 < mnemoc> uhm.. then i guess that didn't fix it. what was it then? 23:25 < fake> no, it's possible that that has been fixed by the systenter support 23:25 < fake> hwscan / modprobe is called as autoload_modules in linuxrc 23:25 < fake> it some hardware is detected that a loadable module exists for (may be the case on some machines) it may hang. 23:25 < fake> s,^it,is, 23:26 < fake> argh 23:26 < fake> s,^is,if, 23:42 < th> fake: as i said yesterday - the main problem is that the 2.6 psaux tries to speak mouse protocol 23:42 < th> fake: that's about implementing policy in kernel instead of userspace 23:43 < th> uhh how can i make mozilla stop doing AA? 23:49 < th> uhh - export GDK_USE_XFT=0 - that was an easy one. 23:52 < lewellyn> crap. gcc3 is failing. :( 23:52 < lewellyn> ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:2093: warning: no previous prototype for `__stack_smash_handler' 23:52 < lewellyn> make[1]: *** [libgcc/./_stack_smash_handler.o] Error 1 23:52 < lewellyn> is the stack smash handler experimental? 23:52 < fake> lewellyn: have you enabled it? 23:53 < lewellyn> yes 23:53 < fake> lewellyn: it's hackish ;) 23:53 < lewellyn> well. who needs gcc anyway? ;) 23:53 < lewellyn> so, i should disable it and try my build again? 23:53 < fake> jep 23:53 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup 23:53 < lewellyn> gar. 23:54 < lewellyn> can i clean up just that package? :( 23:55 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup cleans up only failed pkfs 23:55 < fake> pkgs 23:55 < lewellyn> and linux24 failed. but i can deal with that, since i will be using 26 23:55 < lewellyn> ah. ok 23:55 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup -full is the thing you fear ;) 23:56 < lewellyn> gar. i can't deselect the * 23:57 < lewellyn> export ROCKCFG_PKG_GCC3_STACKPRO='0' 23:57 < lewellyn> that is what i should have now, correct? 23:57 < owl> remoin 23:59 < madtux> owlita!!!!!!! 23:59 < th> wb owl 23:59 < owl> blindy: the results are that the person from the MDK said, that i'm still not able to work. and: my doctor said when he was asked by the MDK (some days ago), that he doesn't know "what she's doing or if she is doing a theraphy or whatever" 23:59 < owl> hi madtux ! 23:59 < owl> th: :) 23:59 < madtux> mdk = mandrake? --- Log closed Wed Jul 28 00:00:12 2004