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00:08 < mnemoc> i _hate_ bash scoping!!
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01:15 < jsaw> rxr: clifford does not apply stuff w/o repo owner vote pro
01:16 < jsaw> anyway, /me tired, good night all!
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01:33 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:33 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
01:33 [Users #rocklinux]
01:33 [ [anders]] [ fake   ] [ luckz    ] [ rolla ] [ th      ] 
01:33 [ blindy  ] [ Freak  ] [ mistik1  ] [ rxr   ] [ togg    ] 
01:33 [ daja77  ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc   ] [ rxr_  ] [ true    ] 
01:33 [ dsoul   ] [ jsaw   ] [ netrunner] [ SerWou] [ valentin] 
01:33 [ esden   ] [ kasc   ] [ owl      ] [ SMP   ] [ zzoc    ] 
01:33 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 25 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 25 normal]
01:33 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug  4 00:11:35 2003
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01:34 < th> rxr_: what's up are you on backup line?
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02:18 < fake> re hi
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05:22 < fake> hrmpf
05:22 < fake> checking for mipsel-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc... gcc-34
05:35 < fake> daja77: glibc.conf line 252 -> the enable-hackermode stuff - shouldn't that read $arch == hppa and not $arch = hppa ?
05:36 < fake> because $arch = hppa should always be true...
06:24 < fake> aaargh
06:25 < fake> glibc needs to know wether i want to compile for 64 or 32 bit userlands. it does this by setting 'mabi={32,64}' and passing it to the compiler - in stage 0, the host compiler!
06:25 < fake> my x86 compiler does not understand that
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06:39 < lowks> is there like a package manager similar to apt for rocklinux ?
06:40 < fake> daja77: i just noticed - forget that $arch = hppa comment - i need sleep
06:40 < fake> lowks: see /usr/bin/rocket
06:40 < lowks> fake thanks
06:40 < fake> but it's most likely not what you expect.
06:41 < fake> no global binary repositories of packages
06:41 < fake> but it's easy to set up your own and distributing your updates with rocket
06:45 < lowks> fake: just need something to track updates and settle dependancies
06:47 < fake> lowks: rocket will not do that for you - except maybe in the future if you use an official ROCK ISO
06:47 < lowks> fake: what is being used to track updates now ?
06:47 < fake> lowks: depends. are you a distribution creator or a rock linux user?
06:48 < lowks> rock linux noobie user .... refugee from another distro
06:48 < fake> lowks: then you didn't build you ROCK Linux system yourself?
06:48 < lowks> fake: hmmm 
06:49 < fake> lowks: in that case i'd suggest following dist releases.
06:49 < lowks> alright
06:50 < fake> lowks: if you built your own distribution, or are confident with the build system, ./scripts/Update-System might be worth a try
06:50 < lowks> sounds good
06:50 < fake> lowks: there may be a binary update service for officiel ROCK ISOs in the future (will be discussed in 2 weeks)
06:51 < lowks> so far i like rocks installer
06:51 < lowks> easy to understand
06:51 < lowks> a bit like slack
06:51 < fake> but, of course, the best way is to subsribe to the submaster or subversion mailing list, track subversion changes, upgrade regularly and send lots of patches to submaster if something doesn't work ;)
07:01  * fake needs sleep... bbl...
07:04 < luckz> :)
08:13 < blindy> moin
10:14 < owl> moin
10:30 < blindy> moin moin
10:30 < rxr_> re
10:30 -!- You're now known as rxr
10:30 < daja77> moin rxr
10:30 < daja77> <- back from exam
10:32 < owl> hi blindy , rxr , daja77 
10:32 < owl> daja77: how was it?
10:32 < daja77> owl: quite ok i think
10:34 < owl> :)
10:36 < netrunner> moin
10:37 < daja77> moin netrunner 
10:37 < netrunner> seen http://ds.ccc.de/083/obsoc ?
10:37 < netrunner> the rebuild of X without the stacksmashing helped btw.
10:38 < netrunner> now I only need to install the correct linux-drm drivers ...
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10:39 < daja77> erhm why i got this message when trying to rebuild a kernel from rock src on an installed system?
10:39 < daja77> make: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/R.build/generic-2.0.2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/usr/src/linux-2.4.26-rock/include/asm/param.h«,
10:39 < daja77>   benötigt von »/R.build/generic-2.0.2-x86-pentium-mmx-32-generic-expert/root/usr/src/linux-2.4.26-rock/include/linux/sched.h«, zu erstellen.  Schluss.
10:40 < daja77> I mean there shouldn't be a sandbox ...
10:43 < blindy> rxr: looks good with 5th August. A co-worker will finish the machine if I can't get it done in time
10:43 < daja77> hi blindy 
10:44 < blindy> rxr: And most probably I won't because it got delayed by three days and will arrive the day after tomorrow instead of yesterday
10:44 < blindy> hi daja77 
10:44 < daja77> strange now it works
10:45 < owl> please "drueckt mir die daumen" have to go to MDK, "psychosoziale beratung"
10:45 < owl> bye
10:45 < blindy> bye owly
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11:14 < SerWou> Hello Guys
11:16 < daja77> hi SerWou 
11:17 < SerWou> hello daja77 
11:17 < blindy> moin SerWou 
11:18 < SerWou> i talked to translate the RockLinux Doc in French
11:18 < daja77> you did?
11:18 < SerWou> not yet
11:19 < SerWou> Do you thing it's a good idea ?
11:19 < SerWou> i'm a linux newbie, but i want to do something for RockLinux
11:19 < daja77> if it helps frech rock users why not
11:20 < daja77> but be aware that it will be a lot of work to do, because they got updated quite frequently
11:20 < SerWou> Who manage the Doc ?
11:21 < daja77> most of it is done by rxr atm
11:21 < SerWou> rxr
11:21 < SerWou> do you know his email ?
11:22 < SerWou> who is : pjotr@rocklinux.org
11:23 < daja77> no not this adress
11:25 < SerWou> Is there a 1 page HTML version of the Rockkinux Doc ?
11:26 < rxr> SerWou: no
11:26 < rxr> there is no one-page versin
11:26 < rxr> my address is: rene@rocklinux.org ...
11:26 < SerWou> hello rene
11:26 < SerWou> i sent you an email
11:27 < SerWou> my email : linuxmasterjedi@free.fr   ;)  i'm not a Jedi Master ;)
11:27 < SerWou> an One-page Html version can be helpfull
11:28 < daja77> apprentice?
11:28 < SerWou> on Rock : yes
11:30 < SerWou> so rxr, is it interesting for you ?
11:36 < th> moin
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11:46 < SerWou> ok
11:46 < SerWou> time to work now
11:47 < SerWou> see you guys
11:47 < th> fake: awake?
11:48 < rxr> damn dvb crap
12:05 < blindy> back
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12:14 < TxD> moin
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12:34 < esden> hi ho everyone
12:38 < rxr> hi esden 
12:41 < blindy> moin esden 
12:41 < blindy> rxr: read my message to you?
12:41 < blindy> argh
12:42 < blindy> brb
12:48 < esden> hi rxr, blindy 
12:54 < blindy> WEE!
12:54 < blindy> The "Wohnung" I looked at yesterday has DSL available :)
13:00 < daja77> flat ...
13:00 < daja77> hi esden :)
13:03 < blindy> thanks
13:08 < rxr> blindy: yes - I hope I read all
13:10 < blindy> rxr: 2 lines. Basically: We will leave on August 5th, probably around 10 AM
13:15 < daja77> http://www.ccc.de/t-hack/stn/inhlt/drartkl.htm
13:16 < daja77> omg
13:18 < th> this is not the full story
13:19 < th> http://ds.ccc.de/083/obsoc/document_view
13:19 < th> or is it just another font seeming much more?
13:20 < daja77> dunno it is quite much
13:20 < th> oh it's both the same length
13:21 < th> it's been on http://www.tagesschau.de/ yesterday
13:21 < daja77> ah nice
13:21 < th> and they put it offline today
13:21 < daja77> so you see why our country is down
13:21 < daja77> siemens can't build trains any longer
13:21 < daja77> the telekom is screwed ...
13:30 < blindy> as if that would be news...
13:31 < daja77> erhn no
13:36 < th> perhaps the right time to buy some intershop ;)
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14:02 < netrunner> ah, much better. (had lunch)
14:04 < blindy> hehe
14:05  * blindy is sleepy
14:11 < owl> the IQ from some people is fascinating. 
14:11 < owl> every "misthaufen" has an higher IQ
14:11 < owl> *pointing to my doctor*
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14:15 < netrunner> owl: did you get bad results?
14:16 < owl> netrunner: nope. but i know now why i had to go to the MDK. and this result was - aufschlussreich
14:17 < owl> extrem aufschlussreich '*grtz*
14:17 < netrunner> owl: do you happen to know dict.leo.org?
14:18 < owl> netrunner: have no browser on this machine, sorry.
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14:32 < blindy> owl: in which way?
14:32 < blindy> owl: what were the results?
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14:33 < esden> hi Nicks 
14:33 < esden> ;)
14:34 < Nicks> Hi also
14:34 < daja77> esden: will you be at devmeeting?
14:34 < esden> daja77: I think so ...
14:35 < esden> when is the date?
14:35 < blindy> esden: you HAVE to be or I'll kick your lazy ass
14:35 < daja77> cool :)
14:35 < esden> blindy: uuups
14:35 < esden> that hurts ;)
14:35 < blindy> yes, yes it does
14:35 < esden> ok ... so I WILL!!! be there ;)
14:35 < blindy> esden: good boy *pat*
14:35 < daja77> :D
14:35 < esden> blindy: *GG*
14:36 < blindy> esden: Fri 6th to Mon 9th of August
14:36 < blindy> valentin, rxr and I will be in IN from late Thursday to late Sunday
14:36 < Nicks> esden: lets go
14:37 < daja77> hm could show up thursday too i think
14:37 < esden> Nicks: let's go? where? ;)
14:37 < Nicks> esden: workin ? , what else ?
14:37 < esden> blindy: ohh that is good news
14:38 < esden> Nicks: :P
14:38 < blindy> daja77: it is mostly a question of a 6-hour travel by car
14:38 < esden> ok guys ... I think I have to continue working ;)
14:38 < blindy> esden: Work? YOU?
14:38 < daja77> 3.5h from here, perhaps less
14:38 < blindy> that's news
14:38 < esden> blindy: *GRR*
14:38  * blindy hides
14:38 < esden> blindy: that is the same thing that you are supposed to do ;)
14:39 < Nicks> esden: it doesnt help anything else
14:39 < blindy> esden: no, because the system I'm supposed to work on got delayed by three days and will arrive on Thursday
14:39 < esden> blindy: you lucky boy
14:39 < blindy> ^^
14:39 < esden> blindy: what are you planning to do during the the weekend ;)
14:40 < esden> blindy: we could do something together ;)
14:40 < blindy> this weekend?
14:40 < blindy> or next?
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14:40 < esden> blindy: the one you are in IN
14:40 < daja77> esden: yeah you wanted to drink with me ...
14:41 < blindy> esden: hmm... well... DevMeeting is what I was planning
14:41 < esden> daja77: *sigh* ... you do not forget anything ... don't you?
14:41 < daja77> lol nope
14:41 < daja77> you drink and i'll laugh ^^
14:42 < esden> urm ... ok
14:42 < daja77> *ggg*
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14:43 < esden> ok ... so I will probably be there on friday ... as early as I can manage it ...
14:43 < esden> because of my work ...
14:43 < blindy> where are you right now?
14:45 < esden> in Eching at work
14:45 < esden> trying to work ;)
14:46 < esden> and installing my new shiny develmachine ;)
14:46 < blindy> i see
15:17 < mnemoc> moin!
15:17 < blindy> moin moin
15:18 < mnemoc> hi blindy, esden & daja
15:19 < esden> hi mnemoc 
15:22 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:23  * daja77 rolling on the floor laughing
15:27 < mnemoc> uhm?
15:28 < daja77> I am egtting rid of that rt stuff this week
15:28 < daja77> we sell an unfinished product
15:28 < daja77> the customer comes on thursday
15:28 < daja77> will be a great show
15:29 < mnemoc> oh
15:31 < blindy> hehe
15:31 < blindy> daja77: send pics :D
15:32 < daja77> hehe
15:32 < mnemoc> pictures? and mpg ;)
15:32 < daja77> they just planned what to say
15:33 < daja77> it was funny
15:33 < blindy> daja77: and? what is the general consens?
15:34 < daja77> hehe they'll what much work we've done and stuff, not mentioning that most stuff is broken ..
15:34 < mnemoc> weren't you fired on that work?
15:35 < daja77> yep, got some additional payment to continue  ...
15:35 < mnemoc> not enough money and blah blah blah?
15:35 < mnemoc> ic
15:35 < daja77> but I hate it
15:36 < daja77> and i'll have a small privare party when this shit is over
15:36 < mnemoc> your universitgy will be very happy with this PR ;)
15:38 < daja77> not the university
15:42 < mnemoc> .oO( i thought that was a project of a teacher of you :\ )o
15:44 < daja77> no
15:44 < daja77> i do mac programming for universtity
15:44 < daja77> and writing a paper ;)
15:44 < mnemoc> :p
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16:02 < madtux> hello.
16:02 < daja77> hi madtux!
16:02 < madtux> hello dany boy
16:06 < th> cli ftp client needed. must be capable of recursive directory fetch.. ncftp does not seem to work here..
16:07 < daja77> wget
16:08 < th> daja77: does wget do ftp "ls" or "dir" commands to get files in dir?
16:09 < daja77> dunno
16:09 < th> seems so
16:10 < th> didn't know that
16:15 < mnemoc> madtux!
16:15 < madtux> mnemoc!
16:15 < mnemoc> how is your master?
16:16 < madtux> been re-constructed..
16:16 < madtux> current in pieces over a table
16:16 < mnemoc> outch
16:16 < madtux> its ok.. it will be back to live soon
17:00 < mnemoc> madtux: btw, we stink in soccer, but we defeated uk on polo yesterday ;)
17:01 < madtux> mnemoc: wee!
17:01 < madtux> i played some soccer last night at my gf's house with my brothers in law and cousins
17:02 < madtux> they can hardly walk *G*
17:02 < mnemoc> arquero?
17:02 < daja77> it only counts when you beat them in cricket ^^
17:02 < blindy> moin madtux 
17:02 < mnemoc> daja77: :(
17:02 < daja77> mnemoc: just joking
17:02 < madtux> well my team won 8-4.. i made 6 of our 8 goals
17:02 < mnemoc> Coronation Cup is a very important cup
17:02 < madtux> hello blindy !
17:02 < daja77> the australians do quite frequently and making fun of it
17:03 < mnemoc> daja77: =)
17:05 < fake> th: yes, now i am ;)
17:05 < blindy> hi fake 
17:05 < fake> hiho
17:05 < blindy> fake: can I "dump" rxr and valentin at your house on the 5th already?
17:06 < fake> blindy: that's thursday, right?
17:06 < blindy> correct
17:07 < blindy> around 17:00, maybe later
17:07 < fake> that should be o.k.
17:08 < blindy> good
17:08 < blindy> because we will leave here early Thursday already
17:08 < fake> mkay
17:08 < fake> ride carefully...
17:09 < blindy> sure do
17:09 < daja77> fake: hm we should talk when i should come too ...
17:09 < blindy> I don't want to wreck two cars within one year
17:13 < fake> daja77: friday? at least that's the official start ;)
17:14 < daja77> <- off
17:14 < fake> *someone* should arrive on friday, so it can 'officially start' ;))
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17:23 < blindy> fake: I will :)
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17:24 < armijn> 'lo
17:24 < blindy> moin
17:24 < armijn> fake awake?
17:24 < mnemoc> hi armijn 
17:24 < armijn> I had some problems with e2fsprogs
17:25 < armijn> and I googled and saw that you had a patch in submaster
17:25 < mnemoc> fake is awake and kicking ;)
17:25 < armijn> hmmkay
17:25 < armijn> as in, a patch for e2fsprogs and kernel 2.6.7
17:25 < armijn> I sent an e-mail to the maintainer and got a reply...
17:25 < armijn> with 2.6.8 the patch is not necessary anymore
17:26 < armijn> and just wanted to say that...that's all
17:26 < armijn> oh, and of course prod owl...
17:26  * armijn prods owl
17:31 < madtux> armijn: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:31  * madtux grabs a bier and pass another one to armijn 
17:33 < armijn> heh
17:33 < armijn> it's madtux...
17:34 < netrunner> what can I do against a multiline char[] definition in c?
17:34 < madtux> gott... you forgot about me.
17:35 < netrunner> ah, \n\ at the end of the lines helped.
17:35 < madtux> armijn: ah well even though u forget about old friends.. its nice to see you around.. alive. :)
17:43 < fake> i'm here
17:46 < fake> armijn: the fd.h stuff
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18:02 < armijn> fake: yeh
18:03 < armijn> fake: I'll forward it
18:10  * netrunner 2cm before working swsusp
18:10 < netrunner> and only using it because the hibernate partition accidently got 5mb to small
18:11 < netrunner> hm. now that I use old style devname it comes back up, trying with X...
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18:14 < netrunner> wow, works. I am astonished.
18:17 < fake> armijn: that's settled...
18:17 < fake> armijn: it's fixed in 2.6.8-rc1
18:18 < madtux> fake: armijn left the chan..
18:18 < mnemoc> hehe
18:20 < fake> hrmpg
18:21 < rxr> re
18:21 < fake> rxr: hi
18:21 < madtux> rxr hello.
18:21 < fake> rxr: the benh kernel patches - are they needed for an old world powermac?
18:25 < fake> rxr: i see. that whole stuff is not in HEAD. hrmpf.
18:25 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:25 < rxr> I never had a old world powermac in my hands
18:26 < rxr> a vanilla kernel should do
18:28 < fake> jep
18:28 < fake> a 7200 with no graphical OF output and no serial cable around ... ;)
18:56 < fake> argh
18:59 < fake> mips glibc install-headers sets mabi=32 - on the host compiler
18:59 < fake> and it doesn't work without it, it seems
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19:16 < netrunner> any experience how I should send 2004072718452707436  upstream?
19:16 < netrunner> (the window was only viewable with xinerama ;)
19:17 < TxD> moin
19:17 < netrunner> hi txd
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19:36 < fake> ha, fixed it
19:37 < netrunne1> fake: what?
19:38 < netrunne1> world order?
19:38 < fake> no, more important stuff
19:38 < fake> mips glibc cross
19:38 < netrunne1> :)
19:42 < netrunne1> hm, booting into a new kernel after swsusp shouldn't be a good idea, hm?
19:42 < fake> err... no.
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20:04 < netrunne1> args. the kernel disagrees about version of symbol struct_module
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20:21 < rxr> THIS UNBELIEVABLE DAMN CRAPPY SHIT !!!!
20:21 < rxr> now I fixed _some_ endianess bugs in CVS and streamdev - now even the IP address mask is not endianess safe ...
20:21  * rxr heavy headshake against the wall
20:22 < rxr> even after entering it in the gui, it is show in the reversed order
20:22 < rxr> and it is also transmitted byteswapped on the inet ...
20:22 < rxr> HOW THE HELL CAN PEOPLE WRITE THAT BROKEN CODE ...
20:22 < rxr> any damn command line tool is able to do this right ...
20:23  * rxr now entering the IP reversed to see what the shit damn crappy codes does then ...
20:23  * rxr 2mm away starting an own video player and DVB system ...
20:24 < fake> rxr: oh my
20:25 < fake> rxr: the x86 virus
20:25 < rxr> I never stumbled over an app that broken
20:25 < rxr> not to mention all the stuff did not worked flawlessly on x86 even ...
20:26 < fake> rxr: dvbstream with a simple socket-based app to tzap ?
20:27 < rxr> anything but all those borked GUI crap
20:27 < rxr> and you know what? I even found a huge bug in the Radeon X driver ...
20:28 < rxr> on the way thru this DVB madness ...
20:28 < fake> rxr: it's just TV, remember that
20:28 < rxr> TV i'm not able to watch due to all that crap
20:29 < fake> rxr: you're missing nothing, i mean ;)
20:29 < rxr> and this is why you use those?
20:29 < rxr> to see nothing?
20:30 < rxr> I even had to fix grave template oddities in the streamdev code - because those people tried to be smart reimplementing the STL::List ...
20:31 < rxr> ahaha, streamdev ChangeLog:
20:31 < rxr> Implemented an IP-Editor for the setup menu
20:31 < rxr> ^- yeah what a nice broken thing ...
20:36 < fake> rxr: i use x86, i was not completely motivated to reimplement it, because it somehow works there, and 'it's just tv'
20:37 < _Lewellyn> fake: with comments like that, i almost expect you to be a disillusioned american ;)
20:39 < fake> _Lewellyn: not quite - german - but i guess the tv program doesn't differ that much
20:42 < _Lewellyn> i figured you were german, based on your host. but have you seen the crap that passes for entertainment here? :(
20:42 < _Lewellyn> (luckily, i don't usually)
20:43 < netrunner> ARG. since when is my kernel so picky about symbols? he still 'disagrees' about my versions :/
20:47 < rxr> hm - the streamdev does not work a bit - it does not really respond to packets on port 3000
20:48 < rxr> even tested to fill with telnet ... damn
20:48 < netrunner> arg. know what I dislike with our setup procedure? the usage of /boot/vmlinuz :/
20:49 < rxr> fake: do you use vdr-1.2 or -1.3 ?
20:52 < _Lewellyn> so, how would one go about upgrading a system from 2.0.1 to 2.0.2?
21:06 < _Lewellyn> anyone? i didn't see anything useful on the site.
21:10 < mnemoc> *yawn*
21:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: first update your source at /usr/src/rock
21:11 < netrunner> is this my first time? now I cannot use my keyboard :/
21:11 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: just waking up?
21:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: then copy your config from /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/ to config/default/
21:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: nope, i just lunched :)
21:12 < _Lewellyn> before i wander over to that machine, are there directions in that tree?
21:12 < mnemoc> a couple of scripts
21:13 < _Lewellyn> mmm. lunch. i should do that before long.
21:14 < mnemoc> go =) i'll be here when you get back
21:16 < _Lewellyn> nah. too early yet
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21:20 < _Lewellyn> so, i need to update /usr/src/rock-src?
21:21 < _Lewellyn> which i assume i can do by running scripts/Update-Src?
21:22 < mnemoc> i hope so
21:22  * _Lewellyn crosses his fingers
21:26 < fake> re
21:26 < fake> rxr: i used 1.3.11
21:27 < fake> rxr: i had to adopt a few interface things in the streamdev-plugin
21:29 < rxr> did you ever used 1.2?
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21:31 < lewellyn> ok.
21:31 < fake> rxr: no. why? stable versions are for users ;)
21:31 < lewellyn> @ERROR: Unknown module 'rocklinux-snapshot'
21:31 < lewellyn> rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (56 bytes read so far)
21:31 < lewellyn> rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(189)
21:32 < SerWou> Hello the Chan
21:32 < lewellyn> what would be causing that with scripts/Update-src?
21:32 < fake> lewellyn: do you use stable 2.0.? or 2.1-DEV ?
21:32 < lewellyn> i'm trying to upgrade 2.0.1 to 2.0.2
21:33 < lewellyn> so, i suppose the answer would be 2.0.1, at the moment.
21:34 < fake> then adopt the first non-comment line in scripts/Update-Src to:
21:35  * [anders] has had his contract terminated two months early by IBM. Leaving on Friday.
21:35 < lewellyn> [anders]: :(
21:35 < fake> srcroot="rsync://www.rocklinux.org/rock-2.0" (IIRC)
21:35 < fake> or was it rock-stable ?
21:35 < [anders]> lewellyn: indeed.. bit short notice as I didn't get to know until this morning
21:35 < fake> [anders]: :(
21:36 < lewellyn> [anders]: even suckier.
21:36 < [anders]> fake: yeah
21:36 < lewellyn> fake: thanks. it's updating now.
21:38 < lewellyn> ok. now Update-Src is done, and i've backed up /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
21:39 < lewellyn> now what? :)
21:39 < lewellyn> (and why do there appear to be no docs on this procedure?)
21:41 < mnemoc> ROCK-CONFIG/ == rock-src/config/default/ ?
21:46 < lewellyn> i don't have a rock-src/config
21:48 < fake> lewellyn: mkdir rock-src/config && cp -r /etc/ROCK-CONFIG rock-src/config/default
21:49 < lewellyn> ah. i didn't catch that
21:50 < lewellyn> but, it is done now
21:50 < fake> ./scripts/Update-System - and pray it still works, i didn't test it for a long time
21:50  * lewellyn prays to his diety
21:51 < lewellyn> is it safe to play nethack while updating? ;)
21:51 < fake> lewellyn: the linux kernel is capable of multi-tasking ;)
21:51 < lewellyn> == 07/27/04 12:56:24 =[9]=> Aborted building package linux24-header.
21:51 < lewellyn> is that normal?
21:51 < fake> woohoo.
21:51 < fake> does it sound normal?
21:52 < lewellyn> no. but, as i haven't done this before, i defer to those who know.
21:52 < lewellyn> crap. everything is aborting.
21:52 < fake> hehe.
21:52 < lewellyn> you sound entertained :(
21:52 < fake> might be easy to fix. look into src.linux24-header*/ERROR-LOG
21:52 < lewellyn> ;)
21:53 < fake> the last few lines might give you a hint.
21:53 < lewellyn> doh
21:53 < lewellyn> tar (child): Cannot open archive /usr/src/rock-src-2.0.1/download/base/linux24/linux-2.4.26.tar.bz2: No such file or directory
21:53 < fake> *ROFL*
21:53 < lewellyn> that would do it :)
21:54 < fake> oh - that should be fixed
21:54 < fake> Update-System should Emerge-Pkg a package, not just Build-Pkg it
21:54 < lewellyn> ok.
21:54 < fake> let me see...
21:54 < lewellyn> ya. the download dir only has an INDEX file
21:55 < fake> scripts/Update-System - line 52 - 
21:55 < fake> change ./scripts/Build-Pkg to ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg
21:55 < lewellyn> ya. i was doing it already :)
21:56 < lewellyn> woo! now i'm getting a usage error from Emerge-Pkg! progress!
21:56 < fake> it *should* work - Emerge-Pkg tries to download missing packages.
21:56 < fake> remove the -update
21:56 < fake> it's default behaviour
21:56 < fake> sorry.
21:57 < lewellyn> doh. ok.
21:58 < lewellyn> ok. it's working on linux26-src now
21:58 < lewellyn> it seems to not care about 24
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22:02 < lewellyn> bah. still tar cannot find the archives.
22:04 < madtux> ping [anders] 
22:04 < daja77> re
22:05 < fake> lewellyn: did it download anything?
22:05 < lewellyn> fake: it appeared to.
22:05 < lewellyn> letting it download 2.4 now to see
22:05 < fake> lewellyn: are you aware that Update-System is experimental?
22:05 < lewellyn> maybe 2.6 was just something odd
22:05 < lewellyn> fake: then what is the "proper" way to upgrade to 2.0.2?
22:06 < fake> lewellyn: a) build it or b) download it
22:06 < fake> err - there are no 2.0.2 ISOs
22:06 < lewellyn> since b) isn't an option
22:06 < lewellyn> ya
22:06 < daja77> b) is no option
22:06 < lewellyn> ;)
22:06 < fake> so, build it
22:06 < lewellyn> that is what i am attempting to do, i thought.
22:07 < fake> lewellyn: Update-System updates the packages in your running system, it does not build a distribution
22:07 < fake> may i suggest you read the ROCK Linux Handbook? ;)
22:08 < fake> http://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbook.html
22:08 < lewellyn> i have hardcopy
22:08 < lewellyn> what section should i be looking at?
22:09 < fake> woo - noble ;)
22:09 < lewellyn> i'm no newbie ;)
22:09 < lewellyn> i just haven't touched rock linux since 1999 or so.
22:09 < fake> Section II ?
22:09 < lewellyn> maybe a bit earlier
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22:23  * fake puzzled
22:24 < madtux> 0_o
22:24 < madtux> oldest rock linux user?
22:25 < fake> i am searching glibc, gcc specs file, linux header files for the definition of MIPS_SIM
22:25 < fake> _MIPS_SIM
22:25 < fake> it defines the ABI Level used 
22:25 < fake> and it's not set
22:25 < fake> this should not happen (tm)
22:26 < daja77> me older than fake :p
22:27  * madtux remembers when he was the younguest rock dev..
22:28 < madtux> then damn blindy turned to be 1 day younger than me
22:29 < daja77> hehe
22:29 < daja77> old boy
22:29 < madtux> woot? ur fat ass is way older than i am!
22:30 < daja77> my face looks younger :p
22:30 < madtux> you have never seem me in person :)
22:30 < daja77> i got a photo ^^
22:31  * madtux has lost ALOT of weight
22:31 < madtux> so that has helped.
22:31 < madtux> :)
22:31 < daja77> i got a recent photo ^^
22:31 < madtux> i insist..
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: ping
22:56 < daja77> madtux: hm?
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23:04 < lewellyn> hrm. no wonder this is seeming to take so long. only getting like 250KBps
23:04 < lewellyn> and the router is acting funny
23:05 < lewellyn> (as evidenced by my desktop timing out)
23:06  * mnemoc needs some guide from someone how knows perl _and_ sm.pl code
23:08 < rxr> mnemoc: pong
23:09 < rxr> oh - nah I do not know that ...
23:09 < mnemoc> you know svn :)
23:10 < rxr> yes - that one I konw
23:11 < lewellyn> hrm. ok. since i am sitting here waiting for these files to download...
23:11 < lewellyn> i have another set of questions :)
23:12 < lewellyn> 1) why does the 2.0.1 boot cd hang on my laptop when loading the second stage? :)
23:13 < mnemoc> lewellyn: a bug on dietlibc which affects your laptop
23:13 < lewellyn> 1a) is there a way to show diagnostics?
23:13 < lewellyn> mnemoc: ah
23:13 < lewellyn> so i have to make my own iso?
23:13 < mnemoc> lewellyn: the bug will still be there
23:13 < lewellyn> or is it altogether a lost cause?
23:13 < lewellyn> bah
23:15 < mnemoc> there is a fix on trunk which have not yet merged into 2.0
23:16 < lewellyn> so, if i attempt to build a 2.1 iso it should work?
23:18 < mnemoc> i hope so
23:18 < lewellyn> ok. once i successfully build this iso, i will try that one :)
23:18 < fake> mnemoc: what bug?
23:22 < mnemoc> fake: i can't find the id :\
23:22 < fake> mnemoc: it's working fine with the livecd's linuxrc
23:23 < fake> mnemoc: do you mean the sysenter support?
23:23 < mnemoc> i got frozes every bootdisk boot on one particular machine, just as lewellyn until i merged dietlibc stuff
23:23 < mnemoc> fake: yes
23:23 < fake> menmoc: yep, well, should only happen if modules are tried to load
23:24 < mnemoc> yes?
23:24 < mnemoc> uhm.. then i guess that didn't fix it. what was it then?
23:25 < fake> no, it's possible that that has been fixed by the systenter support
23:25 < fake> hwscan / modprobe is called as autoload_modules in linuxrc
23:25 < fake> it some hardware is detected that a loadable module exists for (may be the case on some machines) it may hang.
23:25 < fake> s,^it,is,
23:26 < fake> argh
23:26 < fake> s,^is,if,
23:42 < th> fake: as i said yesterday - the main problem is that the 2.6 psaux tries to speak mouse protocol
23:42 < th> fake: that's about implementing policy in kernel instead of userspace
23:43 < th> uhh how can i make mozilla stop doing AA?
23:49 < th> uhh  -  export GDK_USE_XFT=0  - that was an easy one.
23:52 < lewellyn> crap. gcc3 is failing. :(
23:52 < lewellyn> ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:2093: warning: no previous prototype for `__stack_smash_handler'
23:52 < lewellyn> make[1]: *** [libgcc/./_stack_smash_handler.o] Error 1
23:52 < lewellyn> is the stack smash handler experimental?
23:52 < fake> lewellyn: have you enabled it?
23:53 < lewellyn> yes
23:53 < fake> lewellyn: it's hackish ;)
23:53 < lewellyn> well. who needs gcc anyway? ;)
23:53 < lewellyn> so, i should disable it and try my build again?
23:53 < fake> jep
23:53 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup
23:53 < lewellyn> gar.
23:54 < lewellyn> can i clean up just that package? :(
23:55 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup cleans up only failed pkfs
23:55 < fake> pkgs
23:55 < lewellyn> and linux24 failed. but i can deal with that, since i will be using 26
23:55 < lewellyn> ah. ok
23:55 < fake> ./scripts/Cleanup -full is the thing you fear ;)
23:56 < lewellyn> gar. i can't deselect the *
23:57 < lewellyn> export ROCKCFG_PKG_GCC3_STACKPRO='0'
23:57 < lewellyn> that is what i should have now, correct?
23:57 < owl> remoin
23:59 < madtux> owlita!!!!!!!
23:59 < th> wb owl
23:59 < owl> blindy: the results are that the person from the MDK said, that i'm still not able to work. and: my doctor said when he was asked by the MDK (some days ago), that he doesn't know "what she's doing or if she is doing a theraphy or whatever"
23:59 < owl> hi madtux !
23:59 < owl> th: :)
23:59 < madtux> mdk = mandrake?
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