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--- Log opened Wed Jul 28 00:00:12 2004 00:00 < owl> madtux: nope. MDK = medizinischer dienst der krankenkassen or something like that 00:00 < madtux> ah.. 00:01 < madtux> for one moment u made me think that u were applying for a job at mandrake "linux" 00:02 < owl> *rofl* nope. my contract will be for one year remainging 00:02 < madtux> phew.. 00:03 < owl> hm? 00:03 < madtux> i would preffer to hear you say that u will become a MSCE than hearing you applied for a job at mdk.. 00:03 < lewellyn> bah. still failing at the same place on gcc3 00:03 < lewellyn> i will look more after lunch 00:04 < owl> hahahahahaha. nah. no MSCE, no mandrake ;) 00:08 < SerWou> bye bye guys 00:08 < SerWou> Gonna sleep 00:08 < SerWou> Catch you late 00:08 < SerWou> r 00:08 < owl> gn8 SerWou 00:09 < madtux> owl: good. 00:10 < madtux> so we will be friends forever then :) 00:10 * daja77 makes a note install mdk on madtux' laptop on c3 00:10 < fake> hm 00:10 < fake> interesing 00:10 < owl> lol :) 00:11 < madtux> daja77: and u actually think i will step away from my box? 00:11 < fake> rock is not setting $CPP 00:11 < fake> but cpp is using builtin defines... 00:11 < daja77> madtux: sure you need someone who is installing that box properly :p 00:12 * daja77 evilly could use yoper instead 00:19 < madtux> interesting... daja77 how did u know all this crappy distro names? 00:19 < madtux> do u actually keep isos of each one of them? 00:19 < daja77> i am reading too much 00:19 < madtux> yeah yeahh 00:19 < daja77> no 00:19 < madtux> :P 00:34 -!- madtux [~mike@200.122.133.176] has quit ["leaving"] 00:57 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:08 < lewellyn> ok. can anyone help me get gcc3 to compile? 01:09 < lewellyn> scripts/Config seems to REALLY want it to have stack smashing protection enabled. 01:09 < lewellyn> changing the value by hand does not help, as it still fails on that same part. 01:10 < lewellyn> is it possibly hardcoded someplace? 01:15 < fake> lewellyn: something's wrong. 01:15 < lewellyn> fake: that's what i feared. 01:15 < fake> lewellyn: what happens if you select gcc32 ? 01:16 < fake> .oO( don't use gcc33. use 32, or 34 if you are brave) 01:16 < lewellyn> btw, should this be 2.0.3 that i'm making? 01:16 < lewellyn> i was aiming at 2.0.2 01:16 < fake> lewellyn: did you use svn to grab your tree? 01:16 < lewellyn> no 01:17 < lewellyn> i used the scripts/Update-src script 01:17 < lewellyn> and where do i select gcc32? 01:17 < fake> aaw. 01:17 < fake> no pkgforking... 01:17 < fake> sorry, about the 2.0 tree you'll have to talk to rxr 01:18 < fake> it's his baby 01:18 * lewellyn pokes rxr 01:18 < lewellyn> you about? 01:19 < lewellyn> fake: would you recommend 2.1 for a production box? 01:29 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.249.192.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:29 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:29 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:29 [Users #rocklinux] 01:29 [ [anders]] [ fake ] [ lewellyn] [ netrunner] [ rxr_ ] [ true ] 01:29 [ blindy ] [ Freak ] [ lowks ] [ owl ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 01:29 [ daja77 ] [ hannes_] [ luckz ] [ pla^net ] [ SMP ] [ valentin_] 01:29 [ dsoul ] [ jsaw ] [ mistik1 ] [ rolla ] [ th ] [ zzoc ] 01:29 [ esden ] [ kasc ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ togg ] 01:29 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 01:29 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:29 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 01:29 < lewellyn> i'm using the "cdrom" controller right now. 01:29 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 11 secs 01:30 < fake> 2.4 kernel headers in /usr/include don't imply you must use 2.4 kernels... 01:30 -!- math [1000@adsl-192-70.38-151.net24.it] has joined #rocklinux 01:30 < lewellyn> i suppose not. 01:31 < lewellyn> ok. so, since i am giving up on this for now, how do i build 2.1? change that 2.0 line to 2.1 in Update-Src? 01:32 < fake> the current 2.6.7 kernel headers break iptables compile - a package you'll need ;) 01:32 < fake> no. 01:32 < fake> you will need subversion to get a current HEAD checkout 01:33 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.220.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:34 < fake> and you may need to apply some patches from submaster - namely to fix jfsutils and xfsutils and ntfsprogs 01:34 < fake> (in case you need them) 01:35 < lewellyn> i suppose i am using jfs :/ 01:36 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.220.115.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 01:36 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 01:36 < lewellyn> and you said i can use the 2.4 headers, right? 01:36 < lewellyn> rather than the borked 2.6.7 headers? 01:37 -!- math [1000@adsl-192-70.38-151.net24.it] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 01:38 -!- You're now known as rxr 01:43 < lewellyn> ok. this Update-Src seems to have given me something borked. :/ 01:43 < lewellyn> how can i make sure that it grabbed 2.0.2 for me? 01:44 < rxr> use svn directoy 01:44 < rxr> tags are in https://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-linux/tags ... 01:44 -!- pla^net [~sack@p5483B160.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["peace yallz ;o)"] 01:45 < lewellyn> mmkay. who was it that told me to use scripts/Update-Src earlier then? 01:45 < lewellyn> rxr: where should i execute that? 01:49 < fake> lewellyn: i did. because i supposed you wanted to update your running system with Update-System, which calls Update-Src. 01:49 < lewellyn> fake: hrm. i am lost and can't backscroll that far back (since that client crashed; damned win32) 01:50 < lewellyn> i was only following instructions 01:50 < lewellyn> but i run svn TAG in rock-src? 01:51 < owl> gn8 01:53 < lewellyn> sleep well, owl 01:53 < fake> lewellyn: you can run it in another directory, not sure if svn can be used on half-ready exports without .svn directories... 01:53 < fake> n8 owl 01:54 < lewellyn> fake: just making sure i'm doing the right things here. i seem to have gotten incomplete and/or misleading information earlier. 01:57 < lewellyn> hrm. what do i need to install to get svn? 01:58 < lewellyn> the only binary i see is in /opt/apache/bin 01:58 < lewellyn> or is that what i need 01:58 < lewellyn> ? 02:00 < lewellyn> also, should i run Cleanup -full first? 02:04 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindy, daja77, [anders], lowks, mistik1 02:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: [anders] 02:05 -!- daja77 [[HauYlWbN4@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 02:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mistik1 02:06 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: hannes_ 02:07 < fake> lewellyn: svn in opt/apache/bin is right 02:08 < lewellyn> ok. making sure. again. don't wanna screw things up and lose everything :) 02:10 < lewellyn> and do i need Cleanup -full? 02:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: hannes_ 02:12 * lewellyn hopes not and crosses fingers 02:12 < lewellyn> /opt/apache/bin/svn: error while loading shared libraries: libaprutil-0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 02:12 -!- lowks [~chatzilla@219.93.24.31] has joined #rocklinux 02:12 < lewellyn> i am getting the distinct feeling that i am screwed here. :/ 02:13 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F9DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:13 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 02:18 < rxr> lewellyn: apache is not installed I guess 02:19 < lewellyn> i figured that out. 02:19 < lewellyn> i was going to do a custom compilation. 02:19 < lewellyn> :) 02:19 < lewellyn> anyway. 02:19 < lewellyn> now, i go into the 2.0.2 directory and run scripts/Config? 02:20 < fake> lewellyn: read the handbook... 02:21 < rxr> yes 02:22 < lewellyn> fake: i don't see any pages in the handbook that have to deal with checking out via svn. page 60 says to use Update-Src 02:30 < fake> lewellyn: www.rocklinux.org/submaster.html 02:40 < lewellyn> fake: that looks like a lot of work for something that's going to be blown away in a day or so... 02:49 < rxr> lewellyn: yes - I also can not recommend sm ... 02:53 < lewellyn> rxr: i was just saying that it looked like a waste, since i will be reformatting upon reinstall 02:53 < lewellyn> btw, how come 2.0.2 doesn't support sendmail as default mta? 02:54 < lewellyn> just out of curiosity, as it doesn't affect me at all (i don't think) 02:54 < rxr> hm - I do not know of such a bug ... 02:54 < rxr> sendmail should be possible as default mta - if not using the desktop target ... 02:55 < lewellyn> ah. so i need a different target? 02:56 < lewellyn> how experimental is the server target? 02:56 < lewellyn> and what are the implications of it? 02:56 < rxr> lewellyn: not really used - just a desktop target with different package selection 02:56 < lewellyn> ok. it's flagged quite clearly as experimental. 02:56 < rxr> if you need sendmail as default mta and you know what you do you can disable the exim enforcing in the desktop target ... 02:57 < lewellyn> well, i don't NEED it 02:57 < lewellyn> just would make life easier for administration since i know sendmail, but not exim. 02:57 < lewellyn> plus all of our mail servers are sendmail and this would be the odd man out. 02:58 < lewellyn> (not that it will handle more than local mail, mind you...) 02:58 < rxr> just remove one line in target/desktop/config.in or so then ... 02:58 < rxr> hehe: 02:58 < rxr> * This file implements a fish detector. It is used to see when a 02:58 < rxr> * goldfish passes in front of the camera. It does this by counting 02:58 < rxr> * the number of input pixels that fall within a particular HSV 02:58 < rxr> * range. 02:59 < lewellyn> rxr: um. ok... :) 03:00 < fake> rxr: how about an rsync mirror for 2.1-DEV ? 03:01 < lewellyn> rxr: btw, the build chapter of the handbook could use some fleshing out. :( (i have 0.1.4 printed out in front of me) 03:01 < rxr> fake: what kind fo rsync mirror? 03:02 < rxr> AFAIK clifford's stuff mirror's HEAD ... 03:03 < fake> rxr: interesting... 03:05 < lewellyn> btw, what are the advantages/disadvantages to dietlibc? 03:48 < lewellyn> rxr: is the gcc3 stack smash handler known to be broken? 04:02 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD958F730.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:03 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958F9DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:03 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 04:10 < lewellyn> bah. i think it is time for me to throw in the towel. i am being totally inept at building rock :( 05:05 -!- daja77_ [[5ZIHzSk7f@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:06 -!- daja77 [[HauYlWbN4@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:12 < lewellyn> bah. still can't get rock to build. i think i am really going to give up now :( 08:10 < netrunner> moin 08:10 < netrunner> lewellyn: what is the problem? 08:23 < blindy> moin 08:41 < netrunner> hi blindy 08:42 * netrunner waiting for someone with the nick deafy to join ;) 08:44 < blindy> :P 08:44 < netrunner> it's stupid. now I rebuilt ROCK with the correct optimization, and still most games segfault :/ 08:45 < netrunner> I even already built all sdl stuff with -mmx only 08:45 < netrunner> any idea what could be wrong here? 08:45 < netrunner> (glxgears works now that I rebuilt xorg with -mmx only) 08:45 < blindy> daja77 did a lot of stuff with SDL segfaults IIRC 08:45 < netrunner> daja77_: WAKEUP!! 08:45 < netrunner> :) 08:45 < blindy> btw, why are you compiling for MMX? You have AMD processors, don't you? 08:46 < netrunner> my laptop is pentium-m (centrino) 08:46 < netrunner> this is the one that makes me troubles. 08:46 < blindy> I've compiled for Pentium3 on my centrino 08:46 < blindy> works like a charm 08:47 < netrunner> with gcc34? 08:47 < blindy> 33x 08:48 < netrunner> p3 is less than you can get, the pentium-m is like p3 with sse2. there's also a pentium4m ... 08:48 < netrunner> but it probably does not matter. I'll ask daja when he comes. 09:24 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 09:25 < owl> *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn* 09:25 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Client Quit] 09:25 < owl> *opening one eye* morning 09:25 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 09:25 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Client Quit] 09:37 < blindy> moin owl 09:38 < owl> hi blindy 09:41 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Freak 10:48 * daja77_ wakes up 10:49 < netrunner> hi daja77_ 10:49 -!- daja77_ is now known as daja77 10:57 < owl> hi daja77 10:57 < netrunner> daja77: how did you cure those SDL segfaults? 10:59 < daja77> i did? 10:59 < netrunner> daja77: at least you struggled with it. 11:01 < netrunner> arg, I forgot to sync my nwn savegames before reinstalling :/ 11:02 < daja77> i only fixed compile errors ... 11:02 < netrunner> hm. I compiled sdl and xorg for -mmx only, and most games still give me sdl segfaults. 11:02 < daja77> if you used my first patch for this, maybe that causes trouble, but it is quite old 11:03 < netrunner> do you happen to know what the "parachute deployed" means? does it leave info somewhere? 11:03 < netrunner> daja77: I applied most stuff in submaster ;) 11:03 < daja77> i could play a bit later that day with it 11:03 < netrunner> daja77: I think you can discard your ffmpeg thing, it compiles fine with the gcc34 patch. 11:03 < daja77> do you have a line in .conf which removes the -fPIC switch? 11:03 < daja77> yeah sure 11:04 < daja77> have to revisit all my rock stuff soon 11:04 < netrunner> daja77: which package's .conf? 11:05 < daja77> libsdl 11:05 < netrunner> no 11:05 < daja77> ok 11:06 < daja77> read this parachute stuff some time ago, perhaps you ask in sdl chan 11:08 < blindy> moin daja77 11:08 < daja77> hi blindy 11:18 < th> moin 11:19 < daja77> moin th 11:19 * netrunner refilling his user homepage https://andreas.anvame.net/ :) 11:19 < SMP> *yaaaawwwnnn* 11:19 < th> moin SMP 11:19 < th> hi netrunner 11:20 < th> .oO(anvame.net ... nice domain..) 11:20 < netrunner> *g* 11:21 < netrunner> I think I tested all picture galleries available on freshmeat :) 11:22 < th> netrunner: did you try php gallery? 11:22 < blindy> netrunner: I have one here, size: 6kB + ImageMagick, based on bash :) 11:22 < blindy> security of the gallery... ehm... nada :/ 11:22 < netrunner> th: I use fsphpgallery now. 11:23 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 11:23 < netrunner> I wanted no sql, and I had more dir levels than one. 11:24 < th> netrunner: gallery does not use mysql 11:24 < th> netrunner: and has more dir levels 11:24 < th> netrunner: and it's quite convenient 11:25 < daja77> hm there simple perl/bash scripts which create a gallery 11:26 < blindy> netrunner: ack 11:26 < blindy> netrunner: if you want, I can send you the scripts 11:26 < netrunner> daja77: yes, I had one too. (cthumb). but it was too annoying by the time :) 11:26 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-21-169.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 11:26 < netrunner> blindy: thanks, I have scripts. I wanted something where I don't have to run scripts all the time :) 11:26 < netrunner> aka just dump the dir and basta. 11:26 < blindy> netrunner: yes 11:27 < blindy> netrunner: I just dump the images into a directory, and the CGI-called scripts handle the rest 11:27 < netrunner> blindy: you can send it and I'll try it. 11:34 < rxr> re 11:34 < blindy> moin rxr 11:34 < daja77> hi rxr 11:35 < De_Elsasser> hi daja77 11:36 < daja77> hi De_Elsasser 11:37 < De_Elsasser> how are you? 11:38 < owl> hiiiii De_Elsasserr 11:38 < daja77> De_Elsasser: quite goos atm thx, and you? 11:38 < De_Elsasser> ho, owl, how doo yoo doo? 11:38 < De_Elsasser> thx? 11:39 < owl> De_Elsasser: hm. not o well. thx. 11:39 < De_Elsasser> I am fine 11:39 < daja77> great 11:41 < De_Elsasser> I have a second monitor now a I can you see when I work 11:58 < De_Elsasser> quol 12:11 < netrunner> wtf? !> configurator: cannot connect to X server 12:11 < netrunner> argl. 12:50 < netrunner> can anyone please tell me why my apache does not recognize .htaccess files any more? 12:50 < netrunner> This gave some kid access to my phpMyAdmin :/ 13:00 < th> netrunner: do you have allowoverride set? 13:00 < th> netrunner: have a look at the error log 13:02 < rxr> netrunner: maybe your apache was first hacked to disable those ... 13:02 < th> is it possible to read and/or write a scsi disc with access to the generic device? 13:02 < rxr> sure 13:02 < th> cool 13:02 < rxr> if one implements the direct access protcol in userspace, ... 13:03 < netrunner> th: yes I have. I wondered already yesterday because the access to my private gallery was not restricted any more. 13:03 < th> rxr: so per default every user could edit the whole disc in rock-desktop 13:03 < netrunner> rxr: but the limit's in the httpd.conf still work, only .htaccess is not evaluated. 13:03 < rxr> the sg devices allow abritary custom packets do be send to the device 13:03 < th> # user/group and persmission for the cd and the corespondig generic device 13:03 < th> REGISTER ^(ide|scsi)/host[0-9]+/bus[0-9]+/target[0-9]+/lun[0-9]+/(cd|generic) PERMISSIONS root.users 0664 13:04 < rxr> th: that is not perfect 13:04 < th> does this sound familar? 13:04 < th> it's no matter with ide discs only. 13:04 < th> but with SATA (which appear as scsi) and native scsi discs... 13:05 < rxr> yes - I did not wrote that IIRC, I had a more complex expression and SMP and someone on the list proposed this 13:05 < th> rxr: the intention is for burning CDroms, i suppose? 13:06 < th> rxr: where can i find your more complex version? 13:07 < th> this issue should be worth a hotfix 13:07 < SMP> guys. 13:07 < th> yea? 13:07 < rxr> th I already search for it ... 13:07 < rxr> hi SMP 13:07 < SMP> the intention of the original code was to only chmod 664 the generic if it belonged to a cd 13:07 < th> rxr: thx 13:08 < th> SMP: that would be ok, wouldn't it? 13:08 < SMP> but that produced error messages when the generic dev. did not exist 13:09 < SMP> so Jimmy rewrote it (r1602), but kept it mode 644 13:09 < th> ok - but the current solution is no acceptable replacement. 13:09 < SMP> and then 13:09 < SMP> r2111 | rene | 2004-01-02 20:59:45 +0100 (Fri, 02 Jan 2004) | 2 lines 13:09 < SMP> cdrom devices should be user writeable by default - at least to rip Audio CD .. 13:09 < th> harr! 13:09 < th> so we claim it back to rxr? 13:09 < th> ;-P 13:11 < SMP> what we would probably want to do it leave generic alone in general, and only chmod it if it belongs to a cd dev., but then only if the generic really exists (is a SCSI cdrom, module loaded) 13:12 < th> even with +w on cd|generic a user could remotely blank a cd-rw of another user 13:13 < th> - just a side remark - 13:13 < th> i think users should not get access to cd devices 13:13 < SMP> yeah, this can't be solved with DAC permissions 13:13 < netrunner> or write nasty pictures on it ... 13:13 < th> netrunner: or open,close,open,close,open,close the drive bay 13:13 * netrunner found a db hotsaltycumshots in his sql :/ 13:14 < netrunner> now this strengthens my idea to seperate data server and internet server once again :) 13:15 < netrunner> I already wondered in the morning where my jukebox had gone ... the only application that uses the sql server :) 13:15 < th> what about "security by default"? i think we should NOT give user-access to devices. 13:15 < rxr> th on a desktop system users should be able to burn CDs - that your server environment is diferent is obvious 13:15 < th> rxr: i'm _not_ talking of servers 13:15 < th> rxr: i'm talking of desktops 13:15 < netrunner> rxr: k3b automatically creates a group cdrecording on first start. 13:15 < th> rxr: but i have multiple users on desktops and sshd running 13:16 < th> is this only in desktop target? 13:16 * netrunner thinks it should be secure by default, if somebody want's to change it, he can do so. 13:16 < SMP> it would be possible to have a fixed 'cdwriter' group, or use a 'console' group that users are granted if they log in on the console. the latter does not provide the security it promises on first look, though 13:16 < th> and we could offer stone-mod to change away from the secure default 13:17 < rxr> do whatever you want ... 13:17 * rxr needs to wipe the email address in submaster - damn spamming 13:17 * netrunner proposes chmod +s {,/user}/sbin* for desktop systems 13:17 < th> rxr: that's very dismotivating AND non-constructive. 13:18 < SMP> with the 'cdwriter' group you probably end up putting everyone into it, and then it's just like granting write permissions to the user group 13:18 < netrunner> SMP: but you won't put eg 'http' in it. 13:18 < th> SMP: yea - but it's still better than default +w IMHO 13:19 < th> netrunner: ack 13:19 < netrunner> or I don't want my brother to burn on my pc. ... 13:19 < th> netrunner: but http is not in user, is it? 13:19 < SMP> netrunner: http is not a member of users anyway?! 13:19 < netrunner> th: no. 13:19 < netrunner> yes, I admit. 13:19 < th> perhps we should have a "Hauptbenutzer" group 13:19 < SMP> *brrr* 13:19 < th> *g* 13:19 < netrunner> th: cool, and then rename root->Administrator 13:20 < netrunner> and syslog->eventlog 13:20 < netrunner> and / to c: ... :) 13:20 < th> s/\/\\/g 13:20 < th> s/\//\\/g 13:20 < netrunner> mkdir /c: ; mv /* /c:/; export $root=/c: 13:20 < th> let's keep some foxus 13:20 < th> s,foxus,focus, 13:21 < th> (but i liked foxus) 13:22 < SMP> there is no optimum solutions possible with just UNIX MAC 13:22 < SMP> either it's insecure or inconvenient 13:22 < th> but it could be secure. 13:22 < SMP> and there ain't no such thing as 'a little insecure' 13:22 < th> i'd prefer inconvenient over insecurity as default 13:23 * netrunner nodds 13:23 < th> and we can improve inconvenience by providing cute stone mods 13:24 < th> .oO(personally i'd never thought i would call a stone-mod cute, someday) 13:24 < SMP> ehm. s,MAC,DAC, of course 13:24 < th> rxr: does audio ripping required generic-device access? 13:27 < netrunner> th: I think not, i rip as user. 13:28 < th> but we need write access to generic to burn? 13:28 < netrunner> jup 13:28 < th> and to "cd" on non-scsi? 13:28 < SMP> yes 13:29 < th> well i don't see the problem with non-existent generics. as i understand it, generic is only exitent on scsi 13:29 < netrunner> yes, and with ide-scsi 13:29 < th> we should split ^(ide|scsi) then 13:29 < th> netrunner: ide-scsi, sata-scsi - all this 13:29 < th> netrunner: but it's all scsi 13:30 < th> netrunner: ouhm. you mean we need access to "cd" when scsi-emu is active? 13:30 < th> netrunner: and we don't need on native scsi? 13:31 < th> so we still need a way to identify a "generic" as cd-generic 13:33 < netrunner> netrunner: cannot tell, I never had generic scsi :) 13:33 < netrunner> s/generic/native/ 13:33 < th> th: i see 13:33 < SMP> can only be done with a /bin/test for a "cd" on the same dir 13:33 < th> SMP: perhaps by using the /dev/cdroms/ facility? 13:34 < SMP> huh, how? 13:34 < th> executing chmod on the right devfs hook? 13:34 < th> REGISTER? 13:35 < SMP> yes, you can hook in onto ^.*/cd$ but then you're back to the original problem and need to suppress errors if the generic does not exist 13:36 < SMP> _and_ you don't get your generic chmoded if you insmod sg at a later time 13:36 < th> wouldn't that cause a REGISTER? 13:36 < SMP> can't we just switch to udev? ;-> 13:36 < rxr> SMP: ? 13:37 < SMP> th: yes, for the generic, but not the cd dev. 13:37 < th> REGISTER cdroms PERMISSIONS root.root rw-rw-rw- 13:37 < th> that solves it for the cd dev 13:37 < SMP> eh? 13:39 < th> oh we even have groups in these REs 13:43 < th> REGISTER ^(cdroms/cdrom.)$ EXECUTE chmod 664 $(dirname $(readlink \1))/* 13:43 < th> but we would need a reliable "readlink" 13:43 < th> oh it's in coreutils 13:43 < th> that should suffice 13:44 < SMP> what the hell 13:44 < SMP> just use /cd$ 13:45 < SMP> or rather 13:45 < th> that should make no difference 13:45 < SMP> ^ide/.*/cd$ 13:45 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-224.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 13:45 < SMP> and scsi seperated 13:46 < tfing> hi 13:46 < SMP> th: it's much less complicated 13:46 < th> so show me the devfsd.conf scsi line please 13:47 < SMP> not until we have the policy figured out 13:47 < th> i mean as you did for ide: "^ide/.*/cd$" 13:47 < th> show me the less complicate way to get the generic device 13:47 < th> without using dirname or so 13:48 < SMP> ^(scsi/.*/)cd$ -> \1/generic 13:49 < th> ok. this is a good one 13:49 < th> yes - it was too complicated ;> 13:49 < th> no 13:49 < th> stop 13:49 < th> this won't work... 13:50 < th> this won't be called on generic-device's REGISTER 13:50 < SMP> arrrgh 13:50 < th> neither would mine i suppose 13:50 < SMP> 13:35| < SMP> yes, you can hook in onto ^.*/cd$ but then you're back to the original problem and need to suppress errors if the generic does not exist 13:50 < SMP> 13:36| < SMP> _and_ you don't get your generic chmoded if you insmod sg at a later time 13:50 < SMP> so either: 13:50 < th> REGISTER ^(scsi/.*/)cd$ EXECUTE chmod 664 \1/* 13:51 < SMP> a) hook into the REGISTER scsi/.*/cd and also chmod generic, if it exists, or 13:52 < SMP> b) hook into the /generic$ REGISTER and test if a corresponding cd exists 13:52 < th> and this test could be done with readlink and dirname using /dev/cdroms/ 13:53 < SMP> what the hell 13:54 < SMP> ^(scsi/.*/)generic$ EXECUTE [ -b \1/cd ] && chmod 664 \1/generic 13:54 < SMP> or something like that 13:54 < SMP> but leave /dev/cdroms/ alone ... 13:54 < fake> moin 13:55 < th> SMP: using [] won't work in devfsd.conf 13:55 < th> moin fake 13:55 < netrunner> what world is this where the ./configure first tries to start a graphical configure, and then calls make by itself? 13:55 < SMP> th: why not? 13:55 < th> SMP: Jul 28 13:55:14 ws12 devfsd[502]: error execing: "["^INo such file or directory 13:55 < th> perhaps we should execute a bash 13:56 < th> and give it as command 13:56 < SMP> then make it test -b ... && chmod ... 13:56 < th> netrunner: should we guess tha package now? 13:56 < netrunner> th: qdvdauthor 13:57 < th> netrunner: you screwed up the game by giving the solution to fast. 13:57 < fake> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH 13:57 < SMP> but there should be a /usr/bin/[ -> test - why don't we have it ... 13:57 < fake> DAMN DEBIAN CRAP 13:57 * fake compiled glibc in 4-5 hours on an old Mac 13:57 < fake> Created file outside basedir: /var/backups/infodir.bak 13:57 < fake> ARGH ARGH ARGH 13:58 < th> SMP: even && does not seem to work correctly we need to wrap this in some bash -c '...' 13:58 < SMP> crap 14:01 < th> using && in devfsd.conf does not work. that's crappy. 14:02 < th> so how would you want to circumvent? 14:02 < SMP> call and external script 14:02 < SMP> s,and,an, 14:02 < th> uhhh 14:02 < SMP> damnit 14:02 < th> external script? 14:02 < th> hmmm :-/ 14:03 < th> bash -c "" would not work either.. 14:05 < th> i dislike to have an external script for that :-( 14:08 < SMP> can't have your cake and eat it, too ... 14:12 < netrunner> https://akiba.sorobangeeks.com/news_8437.html 14:15 < th> netrunner: tres practique 14:16 < th> SMP: so where is a good place for such a scritp? 14:17 < th> SMP: /usr/bin? 14:20 < SMP> more like /usr/lib/devfsd/ ? 14:20 < netrunner> /etc/devfsd.d/ ? 14:21 < SMP> no! 14:21 < th> netrunner: hehe. that would cause inclusion bye devfsd.conf 14:22 < netrunner> oh .) 14:25 < th> hmmm kernel 2.6 makes me migrate from ps2 to usb :-/ 14:26 < SMP> which is a really good move ;-> 14:26 < th> not reaaly 14:26 < th> there dont seem to be good kvm's 14:29 < daja77> what's wrong with usb mice? 14:31 -!- kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-189-228.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < th> daja77: it's the problem finding apropriate kvm switches 14:33 < rxr> netrunner: you packaged rtsp, may I ask where you used it for? 14:34 < SMP> it's used by xine or mplayer 14:35 < daja77> to play realmedia in full screen ... 14:35 < rxr> SMP: of course I know that 14:42 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-082-083-047-081.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:42 -!- kasc_ is now known as kasc 14:49 < netrunner> rxr: there were some streams I looked at. don't know exactly, but now and then one comes by and I watch it :) 14:50 < netrunner> rxr: ah, iirc I originally wanted to listen to chaosradio, but they used a proprietarized version of rtsp or so, which was not compatible with the linux rtsp. 14:50 < rxr> netrunner: so only normal use, no set up servers on your side? 14:51 < netrunner> rxr: no, client use. 14:51 < rxr> ok 14:51 < SMP> uhhh 14:51 < SMP> I doubt running an RTSP server with that code is going to be a rewarding thing 14:52 * netrunner didn't know it was possible :) 14:53 < rxr> SMP: you mean you think the code is shit? 14:54 < SMP> I don't know about the quality of the code - I did some experiments and it did not interop 14:54 < rxr> do you even use s.th. in production? 14:54 < SMP> nope 14:54 < SMP> what do you want to do? 14:55 < rxr> in the beginning I only wanted to use my new DVB card - but all the apps sucks majorly ... 14:55 < rxr> currently I play around with video streaming - but guess what ... ? 14:55 < rxr> SMP: did you found server code that was better than the live stuff? 14:56 < SMP> QTSS, though I have only limited experience with it 14:57 < SMP> but that leaves the problem of getting the video feed from the DVB card to the server 14:58 < rxr> do you used the commercial Apple version - or the OpenDawring Streaming Server? 14:58 < SMP> yes, actually the DSS 14:58 < SMP> should not make any difference though 14:59 < rxr> on Linux then, I guess? 14:59 < SMP> yes 15:00 < SMP> to stream a live feed you would probably want to write a DVB backend for mp4live (mpeg4ip.sf.net) 15:00 < SMP> which means you'd have to do on-the-fly mpeg4 compression 15:01 < SMP> what's wrong with using vlc? 15:01 < rxr> does not work for me ... 15:02 < SMP> the DVB input? 15:02 < rxr> I do not want it to use DVB directly 15:02 < SMP> but? 15:02 < rxr> I tried to stream ts and ps - but it does not want to use either 15:04 < rxr> did you stream s.th. with vlc? 15:04 < rxr> IIRC it worked last night with a normal mpeg2 file ... 15:05 < rxr> but not with a PS or TS 15:06 < SMP> I only used vlc streaming not in connection with DVB 15:06 < SMP> but I have watched a DVB network stream with vlc 15:07 < rxr> locally accessing the card? Or how? 15:07 < [anders]> narf.. 15:07 < SMP> no, it was some proprietary windows software streaming it 15:07 < [anders]> oh well, only two and a half day left.. 15:10 < rxr> SMP: ah - and the latest vlc does core dump preparing to stream a mpeg2 which worked with the previous version ... :( 15:12 < SMP> someone please blow up all that crappy Linux video / audio patchwork 15:13 < rxr> yeah - I guess you know why I rant so much about that stuff the last days ... 15:56 < rxr> YEAH !!! 15:56 < rxr> I'm able to stream with ffmpeg only 15:56 < rxr> crazzy 15:57 < rxr> wow - even on the fly recompressed to mpeg4 15:57 < rxr> although my test k6-2@350 is obviously to slow for that 15:57 < rxr> nice - the first thing I did not need to hack hours on to get a bit thru the network ... 16:00 < th> the devfsd.d/hardware issue is solved in 2004072815592412743 - please review. 16:00 < daja77> ffmpeg is from the same guy who wrote qemu iirc 16:00 < th> rxr: what things can ffmpeg capture and stream them? 16:01 < th> rxr: could i use it to stream from my old bttv card? 16:02 < rxr> yes - seem so ... if you have enough CPU power to compress ... 16:02 < th> rxr: what clients are capable of viewing this streaming? 16:03 < rxr> mplayer at least 16:03 < th> ok 16:04 < th> *adding this to my to-look-at list* 16:04 < rxr> but most other too I guess, xine and the M$ player should do - the doc at least list those. 16:04 < rxr> it is the normal http streaming stuff ... 16:05 < th> cool 16:05 < th> rxr: and i could use it to record it to disc, i suppose... 16:05 < SMP> "normal http streaming"? 16:05 < th> lol 16:05 < th> hehe 16:07 < rxr> SMP: ? 16:07 -!- A-Tui [~atui@87.Red-81-35-63.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:08 < th> rxr: it's not normal at all to stream http ;) 16:09 < rxr> I do not care as long as it works .. 16:09 < blindy> d'oh 16:09 < blindy> damn 16:09 < blindy> sh*t 16:09 < blindy> fsck 16:10 < blindy> looks like the machine my attendange at DevMeeting depends on will be... interesting 16:10 < blindy> I can't give the project someone else and it is already delayed by four days 16:10 < blindy> so in effect I have to finish the machine in <4 days >_< 16:11 < blindy> well... it just _might_ work 16:12 < rxr> th: SMP: ffserver is an HTTP (RTSP is being developped) multimedia streaming server for live broadcasts. Time shifting of live broadcast is also supported. 16:12 < netrunner> blindy: according to the schedule the devmeeting is next week, no? 16:13 < netrunner> blindy: so you have 1,5 weeks 16:14 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 16:15 < TxD> moin 16:17 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Client Quit] 16:17 < blindy> netrunner: the machine arrives at Friday 16:18 < blindy> netrunner: and I want to be in IN at the 5th 16:25 < netrunner> ah. 16:29 < blindy> netrunner: bad omen: the machine should have arrived on monday :l 16:29 < blindy> :/ 16:35 * blindy gone 16:48 < mnemoc> moin 16:48 < th> hi mnemoc 16:48 < mnemoc> have you seen madtux? 16:48 < mnemoc> hi th 16:55 < mnemoc> three chilean diplomatics were murdered inside the embasy at .cr by a local policy who had been working in the embasy for 5 years :\ 16:55 < daja77> huh 16:56 < mnemoc> .cr people is insane :\ madtux!! 17:18 < mnemoc> daja77: how has the meeting with the rt's customer? 17:23 < daja77> it is tomorrow 17:41 -!- A-Tui [~atui@87.Red-81-35-63.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:45 -!- A-Tui [~atui@87.Red-81-35-63.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 -!- madtux [~mike@200.122.133.176] has joined #rocklinux 17:46 < madtux> hello. 17:48 < th> how to read the bad-block list from ide drive? 17:49 < th> or is this a filesystem information? 17:50 < mnemoc> hi costaricense 17:51 < madtux> hi chilito 17:51 < madtux> mnemoc: costarricense = tico 17:52 < mnemoc> hi madticox then :) 18:01 < rxr> yes it is fs specific 18:01 < rxr> ^- th 18:01 < th> rxr: thanks. 18:02 < th> rxr: so i have to run badblocks on the block device if i don't know where the underlying software has stored information 18:02 < th> (has been part of raid5) 18:04 < rxr> depends what you want to do later with the info 18:04 < rxr> if you want to format ext* it is better to use the badblock option of mkext* since otherwise you must pass some exact values to the badblock app ... 18:05 < SMP> drives with bad blocks really should just be thrown away 18:05 < th> i want to know if i should sent it for RMA 18:05 < th> or if i could put it back into RAID 18:06 < th> the raid5 just disabled the drive due to error. i don't know nothing about the error. 18:13 -!- hannes__ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Client Quit] 18:13 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 18:19 -!- A-Tui [~atui@87.Red-81-35-63.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:20 -!- DieTerkE [~dieterke@217.71.123.237] has joined #rocklinux 18:25 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@80.146.91.53] has joined #rocklinux 18:26 < dzafez> hi who has ever tried to run mysqld on Rock? 18:26 * madtux raises hand. 18:26 * mnemoc use pg 18:27 * madtux didn't know pg was the same saying mSQL 18:27 < DieTerkE> so yes, i am trying the coolness of rock 18:29 < madtux> DieTerkE: glad to hear 18:29 < DieTerkE> i'm trying to enlighten my company aswell 18:29 < mnemoc> madtux use the pimpness of G* ;) 18:30 < madtux> thats a good thing DieTerkE 18:30 < madtux> mnemoc: ? 18:30 < mnemoc> sorry :( 18:37 < DieTerkE> madtux: true true 18:37 < DieTerkE> rock appears to be an excellent thing to 18:37 < DieTerkE> - create live-rescue cds 18:38 < DieTerkE> - create pxe-boot-install-server-thing :-) 18:38 < DieTerkE> - create yer own custom distro 18:39 < madtux> and a lot more :) 18:40 < mnemoc> that's what's makes a distribution build kit a unique and without comparison tool :) 18:40 < DieTerkE> true, but those three are my main reasons 18:41 < DieTerkE> now excuse me, i got a handbook to read :-) 18:41 < madtux> DieTerkE: so what does your company do? 18:41 < DieTerkE> we deliver broadband over sattelite accross europe 18:41 < DieTerkE> satellite is kinda cool 18:42 < mnemoc> any question you get, just ask :) we are here to help 18:42 < DieTerkE> i'm not asking yet dude :-) 18:43 < DieTerkE> first read @ random 18:43 < DieTerkE> i got my rock allready running, that was easy 18:43 < madtux> mnemoc: i have a question... how could brasil beat chile at the copa america? 18:43 < DieTerkE> seems to me configuring/building it is a hard bugger 18:44 < mnemoc> madtux: because they are lucky and score on 'after-time' :( .... i wonder how .cr beat .cl on copa america 18:44 < mnemoc> DieTerkE: uhm? 18:47 < madtux> mnemoc: oh well thats because even that crappy team we took there with non of the stars is much better than .cl 18:48 < mnemoc> madtux: that's why you murdered our dipomatics last night? 18:49 < fake> DieTerkE: you could sponsor some downlinks ;) 18:49 < madtux> shut the fsck up! don't crtitizace all of us for a dump jerk that went crazy.. i feel quite pissed at it.. but what pisses me even more is how now all of u think that all costarricans are murderers 18:49 < fake> hey you two 18:49 < fake> it's just soccer 18:49 < mnemoc> madtux: relax pal 18:49 < madtux> DieTerkE: can u sponsor me and mnemoc some satelital broadband? :) 18:50 < madtux> fake: hello :) 18:50 < fake> madtux: he said "Europe" *g* 18:50 < madtux> fake: i know.. but PLEASE don't blame me for trying :) 18:50 < mnemoc> can u sponson me and madtux a fly to europe to test your satelital broadband? :) 18:50 < fake> hehe 18:51 * fake needs coffee 18:51 < fake> mnemoc: was it you i talked to about the dietlibc problem yesterday? 18:51 < fake> mnemoc: it was late and i was drunk (birthday party of a friend) 18:51 * madtux saw fake talking to armijn yesterday.. even several minutes after he had left the chan.. 18:52 < fake> *GG* 18:52 < fake> the party is still going 18:53 < DieTerkE> madtux: fake: mnemoc: www.aramiska.net 18:53 < DieTerkE> kinda expensive if you ask me :-) 18:53 < madtux> DieTerkE: you do realize that this comment was logged on the net for eternity right? 18:53 < madtux> ;-) 18:54 < DieTerkE> uhm :- 18:54 * DieTerkE runs, hides, crawls into the depths of the night and 'smoothly' hits madtux on the face with a hammer 18:54 < madtux> oh thank you so much. 18:54 < fake> 1,7 Mbps ? 18:54 < DieTerkE> u kinda needed that true 18:55 < fake> mnet sdsl goes up to 4,6 Mbps with a real flat rate as 900 EUR/month 18:55 < fake> *at 18:56 < dzafez> see u later rocklinux.org 18:56 -!- dzafez [~dzafez@80.146.91.53] has quit ["Verlassend"] 18:56 < DieTerkE> cmon, u do faster in the air fake :-) 18:56 < fake> DieTerkE: i am astonished by the bandwith they can send useless TV fluff down 19:00 < mnemoc> what 'servus' means? i don't understand this 'hi, bye' translation 19:02 < DieTerkE> agreed fake :-) 19:04 < fake> mnemoc: both 19:04 < fake> mnemoc: like 'ciao' 19:04 < fake> mnemoc: in italy, chiao means hello, in germany it's 'see you' 19:06 < mnemoc> ic, it can be used in both situations 19:06 < fake> yes. so it mostly depends on pronounciation 19:07 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:07 < mnemoc> i thought it was like a "hi and goodbye" 19:07 < fake> if you make it sound like the start of a sentence it's hello, if it sounds like the end of a sentence it's good bye 19:07 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has left #rocklinux ["No boundaries on the net"] 19:07 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:07 < TxD> re 19:12 < rxr> hi TxD 19:19 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:21 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 19:34 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0 "Awakening""] 19:36 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8C92B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:36 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:39 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 19:43 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D386.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:49 < fake> huh 19:49 * fake wondering 19:49 < madtux> ...? 19:50 < fake> the minimal-desktop is predicted to have a size of 1200MB (acc. to cache files) 19:50 < fake> the livecd image i get is only 404 MB big... 19:50 < rxr> is this for or after compression? 19:51 < fake> this is the compressed suqashfs 19:51 < fake> that means the installed packages in a compressed filesystem 19:51 < rxr> and what is the uncompressed size? 19:51 < fake> counting... 19:51 < th> fake: what us a suqashfs? 19:51 < th> s,us,is, 19:52 < rxr> squash even IIRC 19:52 < fake> th: cloop rethought 19:52 < fake> rxr: 1.3 G 19:52 < th> fake: any url for further info? 19:52 < rxr> th google ;-) 19:52 < fake> th: package/fake/suqashfs-tools 19:54 < th> thanks to both of you ;) 19:54 < fake> th: i'd have to look it up in the desc file myself. squashfs.sf.net or so 19:56 * fake used glibc -static now to create an un-optimized livecd 19:56 < rxr> hm? 19:56 < fake> the dietlibc linuxrc's didn't work on 2 pentium-mmxen 19:56 < fake> i mean, glibc -static linuxrc on an un-optimized livecd (generic) 19:57 < rxr> not the sysenter thing? 19:57 < fake> not sure. 19:57 < fake> it's just a general test. 19:57 < fake> not a solution ;) 20:02 -!- wschlich [nobody@wschlich.developer.gentoo] has joined #rocklinux 20:03 < fake> jo, with glibc -static it works. 20:05 < fake> argh 20:05 < rxr> ? 20:05 < fake> /bin/su : cannot open shared library: libpam.so.0 20:05 < fake> >_< 20:05 < fake> why isn't it there *cry* 20:06 < fake> libpam.so and libpam.so.0.77 is there 20:06 < fake> na, however, i have to leave. see you tomorrow! 20:21 -!- wschlich [nobody@wschlich.developer.gentoo] has left #rocklinux [] 20:41 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-21-169.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["leaving"] 21:05 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-24-35.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 21:29 < owl> hi... 21:29 < owl> someone has tipps what to do with "ein/aus/umgerengten rueckenwirbeln"? 21:35 < madtux> i could try if i actually what does all that mean :) 21:35 < madtux> actually understood* 21:35 < madtux> hi owly btw 21:39 < owl> madtux: hi. sorry. have no browser here atm 21:39 < owl> and have to try to have a shower. which me luck that i will survive it. thx 21:41 < [anders]> lo madtux 21:41 < [anders]> madtux: bad news from me I am afraid, IBM terminated my contract two months early. I am leaving Hursley on Friday 21:47 < madtux> owl: i can join you if u are too scared 21:47 * madtux hides quickly 21:47 < madtux> [anders]: WHAT?! 21:48 < [anders]> madtux: yeah.. I found outtuesday morning 21:48 < madtux> [anders]: query please 21:48 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-24-35.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 21:48 < zzoc> owl: lol;) 21:49 < zzoc> owl: wtf? you has got an "ausgeraenkter rueckenwirbel" 22:42 < daja77> re 22:45 < madtux> ra. 22:49 < daja77> :p 22:59 < owl> zzoc: yes 23:00 < owl> hamster is a little rat 23:01 < owl> hamster eating windows-key O_o 23:01 < owl> hamster running under linux? 23:01 < true> the right key ;) 23:01 * mnemoc wants to eat roaster hamster 23:01 * owl wants to kick mnemoc 23:02 * netrunne1 wants more beer. 23:02 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 23:02 < netrunner> got a bit too cold in the beergarden ;) 23:02 < mnemoc> *g* 23:03 * owl wants a new backside 23:05 < madtux> would u like to trade ur "backside" with mnemoc ? 23:05 < owl> ??? 23:06 * netrunner drank too much beer. checking flights to chile ;) 23:06 < netrunner> ouch ... EUR 2186,53 23:06 < owl> O_o 23:07 < netrunner> those stupid flight search engines don't have an option for "i don't care which day exactly" :( 23:07 < madtux> netrunner: u promissed to come to .cr! 23:07 < madtux> arrg 23:07 < netrunner> oh, messed up the order :) 23:07 < netrunner> madtux: is it cheaper to fly to you? :) 23:07 < madtux> netrunner: MUCH cheaper.. 23:08 < madtux> u would save more than EUR 1000 23:08 < netrunner> madtux: I guess you won :) 23:08 < netrunner> for the same date ... EUR 2470,36 ** 23:08 < mnemoc> hehehe 23:08 < madtux> what? 23:09 < netrunner> this is stupid. I bet a few days earlier or later there are cheaper flights. 23:09 < madtux> what airline are u actually trying to fly with? 23:09 < netrunner> just this engine is not capable searching them. 23:09 < netrunner> dunno, I am trying opodo.de, it searches multiple... 23:09 < madtux> netrunner: which dates are those? 23:09 < madtux> even to me flying on the last week of december would mean $1200 .. 23:09 < mnemoc> netrunner: there are days for business people and there are days for normal people 23:09 < netrunner> madtux: incl back? 23:10 < madtux> roundtrip yes 23:11 < madtux> heck last year some friends came from munich and they spend $800 roundtrip each with british ariways 23:11 < madtux> airways* 23:11 < mnemoc> madtux: how many days was he at .cr ? 23:11 < madtux> 2 weeks. 23:11 < mnemoc> short trips are considered business and pay double 23:12 < madtux> she was 2 weeks here with her sister 23:12 < mnemoc> ^^ 23:12 < netrunner> _she_ must have had fun with her sister at yours *g* 23:13 < netrunner> damn, I'd like to kick this guy's *** who deliberately dropped all my mysql db's by abusing my apache to access my sql. 23:16 < netrunner> hm, what countryside/people is nicer, chile or cr? 23:16 < netrunner> I mean, they are quite close, what about a roundtrip? 23:20 < madtux> netrunner: what are u actually willing to do when u vist .cr or/and .cl? 23:21 < netrunner> dunno. what does one do in holidays? haven't had one for about 2 years :/ 23:21 < netrunner> and I think those plans will only work out in about next feb or so :( 23:23 < madtux> next feb... u mean toursim high season.. 23:23 < netrunner> hm. 23:25 < madtux> netrunner: its ok.. just that lets say from may to november u can often get prices at half the cost between dec - april 23:27 < netrunner> hm. maybe I try to take 2 weeks sept/oct ... I think lectures start on oct 11th anyway. 23:29 < netrunner> how about visa, does one need one for cr/chile? 23:29 < madtux> no visa needed for u in .cr 23:29 < madtux> as far as i know 23:29 < mnemoc> neither here 23:30 < madtux> btw i will be in brazil from october 3rd - 17th. 23:30 < netrunner> ... for not eu citicen? 23:30 < madtux> ack 23:30 < mnemoc> netrunner: what are you? 23:30 < netrunner> mnemoc: I'd travel with my ... better half :) 23:31 < netrunner> she's moldovan. 23:31 < mnemoc> :) 23:31 < mnemoc> i guess she won't need 23:32 < netrunner> I 23:33 < madtux> wtf is moldovan? 23:33 < netrunner> I've been longing to make a far-journey for a long time now. iirc my last trip was in 2000 or so. 23:33 < netrunner> madtux: www.moldova.md 23:33 < madtux> okis 23:33 < netrunner> between romania and ukraine 23:34 < madtux> netrunner: well u will always be welcome here.. and i think the same in .cl 23:34 < netrunner> yeah, have to finally find a date that works ;) 23:34 < netrunner> you guys are always welcome at my house, but I hope I don't have to mention that. 23:35 < madtux> well thanks for mentioning it :) 23:37 < mnemoc> netrunner: https://www7.lan.com/vacaciones/promociones/frankfurt_madrid_129.html <--- is this cheap or expensive? 23:39 < mnemoc> just to have an idea of how expensive or cheap is 'our' airline 23:39 < netrunner> mnemoc: my spanish is not so fluent, this sounds cheap, but you have to make sure all airport fees, taxes etc are included. 23:39 < netrunner> compare the cheapest munich-berlin-munich I heard of was 100eur 23:39 < mnemoc> netrunner: on the right-upper-corner you choose language 23:42 < netrunner> hm, so it's about 190 eur ... this sounds ok. 23:43 < mnemoc> travel tips -> chile 23:43 < mnemoc> only new zelanders need visa o_O 23:45 < madtux> mnemoc: what about people from irak? 23:45 < mnemoc> free pass ;) 23:45 < mnemoc> saddam is welcomed 23:45 < daja77> hehe you don't like hobbits eh? 23:45 < madtux> what about Osama Bin Mery? 23:46 < madtux> i mean Ladden 23:46 < daja77> can't get in with his new zealand pass 23:46 < mnemoc> madtux: uhm 23:46 < mnemoc> daja77: hobbits are new zelanders? 23:46 < madtux> i though they were from the shire.. 23:47 < mnemoc> me too 23:47 < owl> *yawns* 23:47 < daja77> mnemoc: the movies were made there 23:47 < mnemoc> ic, the shire is at new zealand :) 23:47 < madtux> oh cool.. so is mordor there too? 23:48 < madtux> owl: hi. 23:48 < madtux> owl: you still live in the woods right? 23:48 < mnemoc> madtux: it must be at .cr, they murder the embassadors too 23:48 < mnemoc> (jk) 23:49 < madtux> i love /ignore :) 23:50 < owl> madtux: yep :) 23:50 < madtux> owl nice :) 23:50 < owl> why? 23:50 < mnemoc> why nice? uhmm... --- Log closed Thu Jul 29 00:00:27 2004