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--- Log opened Sat Jul 31 00:00:00 2004 00:10 < madtux> cya 00:10 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has left #rocklinux [] 00:13 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has left #rocklinux ["Leaving"] 00:13 -!- tooly [~tooly@pD9587C24.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux [] 00:18 -!- daja77 [[5ZIHzSk7f@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has left #rocklinux [] 00:18 -!- daja77 [[5ZIHzSk7f@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 00:35 -!- freed [~junix@pD95D0AF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 00:35 < freed> hi all 00:38 < fake> arrrr 00:38 * fake pulling his hair 01:29 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:29 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 01:29 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 01:29 [Users #rocklinux] 01:29 [ [anders]] [ dsoul] [ kasc ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 01:29 [ batok ] [ esden] [ lewellyn_] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr_ ] [ togg ] 01:29 [ blindy ] [ fake ] [ Lorini ] [ netrunner] [ SerWou] [ valentin] 01:29 [ daja77 ] [ freed] [ lowks ] [ owl ] [ SMP ] [ zzoc ] 01:29 [ DieTerkE] [ jsaw ] [ luckz ] [ rolla ] [ tfing ] 01:29 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 29 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 29 normal] 01:29 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 01:29 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 01:29 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 7 secs 01:32 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.222.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:32 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.222.82.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:34 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 01:49 -!- HotSlut [bla@dialin-212-144-086-224.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 01:50 -!- HotSlut [bla@dialin-212-144-086-224.arcor-ip.net] has left #rocklinux [] 01:52 < fake> wow, a hot slut in our channel... 01:52 < fake> *GG* 01:55 < fake> :( 01:55 < fake> hehe 02:10 -!- You're now known as rxr 02:10 < fake> jsaw: i just tested it - -mhard-quad-float is not an option. 02:27 < fake> ... 02:27 * fake still testing 02:58 -!- lowks [~chatzilla@219.93.24.31] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:42 < fake> (ROFL* 03:42 < fake> asm/unistd.h on mips, about _syscall5 and _syscall6: 03:42 < fake> * Using those means your brain needs more than an oil change ;-) 03:42 < fake> */ 03:46 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:46 < fake> hi Freak! 03:46 < Freak> hi 04:07 -!- freed [~junix@pD95D0AF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:07 -!- blindy [~blindcode@pD958FAD0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 04:07 -!- blindcoder [~blindcode@pD9E4F0C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:08 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy 05:29 < fake> jsaw: seems like i can negate my previous statement about -mhard-quad-float. CC=$CC gets overwritten in dietlibc.conf by CC=gcc, which in turn misses cmd_wrapper -> my option was not really added... boy... 06:17 -!- batok [~chatzilla@200.77.37.96] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.35 [Mozilla rv:1.5/20031115]"] 07:43 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-32.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 07:44 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin, SerWou, Lorini, lewellyn_, luckz, kasc 07:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kasc 07:49 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: DieTerkE, fake, tfing_, esden, mnemoc 07:52 -!- lewellyn [~matt@adsl-64-142-12-231.sonic.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:53 -!- valentin [~valentin@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 07:56 -!- esden [~esdentem@62.75.251.252] has joined #rocklinux 07:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc 07:58 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Freak 08:00 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-32.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 08:01 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-25.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:01 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 08:06 -!- Lorini [~Andrea@stdw-wh-vip63.studentenwerk-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Freak 08:12 -!- DieTerkE [~dieterke@217.71.123.237] has joined #rocklinux 08:12 -!- fake [~fake@rapidnetworks.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:13 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #rocklinux 08:13 < RainbowTSC> mm 08:14 < RainbowTSC> ne1 available for a quick boot prompt question? 08:25 RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] requested CTCP PING from #rocklinux: 1091256773 783601 08:29 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:32 < RainbowTSC> I've got a pentium 166 with 32 MB of RAM, and I'm trying to boot off the 2.0.0-rc5 minimal iso image... It gets to freeing unused kernel memory then hangs, what should I pass to the boot prompt? 08:37 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.229.205.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html 08:54 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004] 08:54 [Users #rocklinux] 08:54 [ [anders]] [ dsoul ] [ Lorini ] [ rolla] [ tfing ] [ zzoc] 08:54 [ blindy ] [ esden ] [ mistik1 ] [ rxr ] [ th ] 08:54 [ daja77 ] [ lewellyn] [ RainbowTSC] [ SMP ] [ valentin] 08:54 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 08:54 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug 4 00:11:35 2003 08:54 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.57] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@149.217.52.158] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-191-130.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CCE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- owl [~owl@aszlig.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- luckz [luckz@luckz.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:54 -!- Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 1 secs 08:57 -!- togg [~togg@213.146.118.69] has joined #rocklinux 09:04 -!- DieTerkE [~dieterke@217.71.123.237] has joined #rocklinux 09:04 -!- fake [~fake@rapidnetworks.de] has joined #rocklinux 09:27 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-10-157.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:27 < De_Elsasser> bonjour 10:03 < netrunner> bonjour frenchie :) 10:06 < netrunner> ah, my uml is booting :) 10:10 -!- Freak [freak@helena.bawue.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:29 < daja77> RainbowTSC: use the the small stage 2, normal stage 2 rewquirees at least 64mb 10:36 < th> uhh - moin 10:37 < th> my ./scripts/Config exits with 127 10:38 < th> (this seems to be since my build-system is a rock-2 itself 10:38 -!- tfing_ [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-1-67.w193-253.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 10:45 < th> ahh 10:46 < th> src/rockdialog.bin 10:46 < th> ./src/rockdialog.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 10:47 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 10:47 < TxD> moin 10:48 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has left #rocklinux [] 10:50 -!- TxD [hans@80.243.38.103] has joined #rocklinux 10:51 < th> one should really remove src/ when changing build-system 10:53 -!- tfing [~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-3-32.w80-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:53 -!- tfing_ is now known as tfing 11:07 -!- TxD [hans@80.243.38.103] has quit ["KVIrc 3.0.0 "Awakening""] 12:51 -!- hannes_ [~hannes@3ffe:bc0:8000:0:0:0:0:3909] has joined #rocklinux 12:58 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-10-157.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:01 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-10-157.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 13:08 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:18 -!- RainbowTSC [~rainbow@k070-137.nv.iinet.net.au] has joined #rocklinux 13:58 -!- De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-10-157.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:44 < th> re 15:08 < fake> moin. 15:16 < fake> tar 1.14 is out... 15:16 < fake> and i'm still fixing 1.3.94, stoopid fake 15:18 -!- seelop [~power@201.1.43.4] has joined #rocklinux 15:47 < fake> == 07/31/04 13:28:55 =[1]=> Finished building package tar. 15:47 < fake> wee. 15:53 < mnemoc> moin! 15:53 < mnemoc> sparc again? 15:53 < fake> yes - dietlibc quad-fp stuff 15:53 < mnemoc> native or cross? 15:53 < fake> testing wether -mhard-quad-float makes the sparc64-softquadfpu patch obsolete 15:53 < fake> native, this time ;) 15:54 < fake> the machine is already running minimal rock 2.1 15:55 < fake> tar: Unaligned block (5000 bytes) in archive 15:56 < fake> *arghl* 15:56 < mnemoc> s.th happens :\ 15:57 < fake> -B is ought to fix this 15:57 < fake> i just read 15:57 < mnemoc> gcc -B? 15:57 < fake> tar -B 15:59 * fake testing 16:09 < mnemoc> that -B is a bit dirty... can you enable it by default for that arch? 16:09 < fake> it doesn't work anyway 16:09 < fake> afaics 16:10 < mnemoc> :| 16:11 < fake> oh 16:12 < fake> there is a bug that hardcodes -B to false ;) 16:16 < fake> a fix for that is in tar cvs. 16:18 < mnemoc> hehe 16:19 < fake> wee. that did it. 16:19 < mnemoc> i guess we can featch it :) 16:19 < fake> it autodetects wether the block-realign is needed... the bug was in buffer.c where that option was overwritten. 16:20 < mnemoc> harcoded or wrong memory usage? 16:20 -!- FuHr3r_ [~Money@201.1.16.93] has joined #rocklinux 16:22 < fake> hardcoded 16:23 < fake> there are quite a few weirdos around these days... 16:55 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 16:55 < madtux> hi. 16:55 < mnemoc> madticox! 16:56 < madtux> hola mnemoc 16:58 < Lorini> moin 16:58 < mnemoc> moin lorini! 16:58 < mnemoc> buenos días don Miguel 16:59 < madtux> hi Lorini. 16:59 < Lorini> hi mnemoc, madtux 16:59 < fake> hi Lorini! 16:59 < fake> hi mike! 16:59 < madtux> fake: ! 17:00 < Lorini> huhu fake 17:01 < fake> *wink* 17:01 < fake> huhu 17:03 -!- seelop [~power@201.1.43.4] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:04 < Lorini> *wank*? *g* 17:06 < fake> *wunkel* 17:08 < fake> DIETHOME rules. 17:10 -!- seelop [~power@201.1.7.64] has joined #rocklinux 17:11 < mnemoc> fake: yes! 17:11 < mnemoc> i wanted to do the some from long time ago, but.. i never did it :p 17:11 < mnemoc> s/some/same/ 17:12 < madtux> do the some... wtf is that.. 17:13 < fake> do the monkey ;) 17:14 < mnemoc> madtux: dietlibc has it's header's location hardcode as a #define DIETHOME 17:14 < fake> jep. 17:14 < fake> so if you build in chroot it's /usr/dietlibc 17:14 < mnemoc> then, the bootdisk creation needed dietlibc installed on build machine 17:16 < mnemoc> i guess that may produce 'some' problems on cross-buiild 17:16 < mnemoc> jsaw improved it to use an env-var called DIETHOME if it's available 17:17 < fake> it even creates problem is you want to build linuxrc - if there is no dietlibc installed on the build host 17:17 < fake> becuase calling diet gcc linurxrc.c will look for /usr/dietlibc/{include,lib} 17:17 < mnemoc> no arch problems? 17:17 < fake> lib-${CPU} 17:17 < mnemoc> a... ok 17:18 < fake> lib-{$targetCPU} is only in build/$ROCKFG_BUILD_ID/usr/dietlibc/ 17:18 < fake> usually, except your name is fefe and you build dietlibc for all arches by default ;)) 17:19 < daja77> fake: you are not? *ggg* 17:19 < mnemoc> hehe 17:19 < mnemoc> f..e match fefe and fake ;) 17:19 < fake> i noticed yesterday that there are targets for sth like that in dietlibc's Makefile 17:19 < fake> like 'make sparc mips arm' ;) 17:20 < daja77> fake would fit in twice in him ... 17:20 < fake> daja77: never 17:20 < mnemoc> LOL 17:20 < daja77> :D 17:20 < fake> fefe is better compressable than fake 17:20 * daja77 should bunzip fake on devmeeting 17:25 < mnemoc> you think you will be able to bunzip fake to the size of fefe?? 17:25 < fake> how can 'fake' be compressed? 17:25 < fake> byte-packing... ? 17:27 < daja77> i am no expert in human compressions ... 17:27 < fake> oh, i thought you mean just the string 'fake' ;) 17:28 * fake very easily compressable 17:28 < daja77> thought you already are 17:28 < fake> no... 17:28 < daja77> *gg* 17:28 < fake> strip fake 17:28 < fake> ;) 17:28 < daja77> ^^ 17:29 < mnemoc> now we have a fake without symbols :\ 17:30 < fake> well, i am NOT the artist formerly known as prince, so there should be at least _something_ left ;) 17:31 < daja77> this artist is now known again as prince ... 17:32 < daja77> cos nobody understood this symbol nonsense 17:32 < fake> ;) 17:32 < mnemoc> hehe 17:34 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:36 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 17:56 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:57 < TxD> moin 17:57 < mnemoc> moin TxD 18:07 < fake> boy this powermac is SLOOOW 18:07 < fake> == 13:10:05 =[5]=> Building base/glibc=glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV]. 18:07 < fake> == 07/31/04 20:16:45 =[5]=> Finished building package glibc23. 18:07 * fake notices time offset +2h 18:20 -!- TxD [hans@mab-host-38-103.mab.km3.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 18:24 < tfing> sweet, mine -r on a package created by mkpkg just removed my /opt ... 18:25 < fake> tfing: was /opt empty besides the remove pkg? 18:25 < tfing> there was *only* e16, e17, gnome2, apache, postfix in it 18:26 < fake> tfing: that should never happen... 18:26 < fake> tfing: mine -r should only remove empty directories, that's crucial! 18:27 < tfing> well, it did not 18:27 < fake> tfing: mine --version ? 18:28 < tfing> 0.18 18:28 < fake> tfing: bug report... 18:28 < fake> to ml 18:29 < fake> i guess you don't have the flist for the just-removed package anymore... ? 18:32 < tfing> i have it in /var/adm/backup 18:32 < tfing> oh sweet, i haven't lost anything in fact 18:33 < tfing> my /opt was a link to /usr/opt 18:33 < tfing> only the symlink has been removed 18:33 * tfing breathes again 18:35 < mnemoc> hehe 18:35 < mnemoc> mine -r _only_ remove empty dirs and unmodified files 18:35 < tfing> anyway, it's strange that the symlink has been removed 18:35 < tfing> but maybe it was removed by the mkpkg make install 18:35 < mnemoc> it was considered an unmodified file :) 18:37 < fake> tfing: you shocked me ;) 18:37 * fake closing mine source vim again ;) 18:37 < tfing> :) 18:37 < fake> jsaw: ping 18:41 -!- seelop [~power@201.1.7.64] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:42 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has joined #rocklinux 18:43 < SerWou> putain 18:43 < SerWou> sorry, wrong chan ;) 18:44 < tfing> SerWou: rudeness is only accepted in english here ;P 18:44 < SerWou> lol 18:44 < SerWou> Damned* 18:44 < fake> it is much too hot... 18:44 < fake> *sweats* 18:45 < SerWou> me too 18:45 < SerWou> 32°C here 18:45 < Lorini> fake: indeed 19:36 -!- uppo [~uppo@pcmath208.unice.fr] has quit ["Leaving"] 19:45 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8CCE4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 19:46 -!- netrunner [~andreas@pD9E8D8FD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:47 < fake> hi netrunner 19:49 < netrunner> re 19:49 < netrunner> hi fake 19:50 < Lorini> hi netrunner! 19:52 < netrunner> hi lorini ;) 19:53 < Lorini> :) 19:54 < netrunner> hot here. just shut down the epia, it cannot handle the heat with its poor cooling 19:57 < fake> netrunner: install an active cooler... 19:57 < fake> oh boy, how i hate it. 19:58 < fake> binutils failed because of an error in gawk 19:58 < fake> now i rebuilt gawk with debugging symbols, and now it works! *pulling his hair* 20:02 < netrunner> fake: it has one. but quite a small. and the 2 on the back of the case. but they are not that effective as the case is quite small. 20:03 < netrunner> fake: have you checked if your memory is fine? 20:04 < fake> netrunner: it's a sparc64 with ecc ram... 20:06 < netrunner> I only remember once I had weird build errors that made no sense at all I had a defect ram. 20:08 < fake> netrunner: i am pretty confident the ram is alright. 20:08 < netrunner> okok, I believe you, just wanted to add an idea. 20:10 < fake> i suspect it's more likely the sparc64 hard quad floating point assembler instructions cause Bus Errors 20:10 < netrunner> interesting. starting sshd in my uml causes a kernel panic 20:26 < fake> hrmpf. 20:26 < fake> dietlibc failing after my nice patch ;) 20:26 < fake> on i386 un-optimized, and onlu diet-dyn 20:26 < fake> *only 20:52 < fake> ARGH 20:52 < fake> again, this problem vanished. 21:00 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has quit ["leaving"] 21:43 * fake bored 21:44 * fake Spock - Dr. McCoy 21:45 -!- panku [~junk@wbar6.wdc2-4.14.74.44.wdc2.dsl-verizon.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:45 < fake> hi panku 21:46 < panku> hi fake 21:46 < panku> just starting with rocklinux 21:50 < panku> I'm building a distribution and I keep getting an error that says line 308: /etc/profile: no such file or directory 21:50 < panku> Should I add the file to the build directory? 21:50 < fake> where? while building? 21:50 < panku> Yes.. while building. 21:50 < fake> in which stage of the build? 21:50 < panku> stage 5 21:51 < fake> did sysfiles build? 21:51 < fake> the package 'sysfiles', stage 1 21:52 < fake> that's where etc/profile is created inside of the chroot 21:54 < panku> Nope... I started with a generic target and minimal template. Perhaps sysfiles got left out. 21:54 < fake> that's unlikely... 21:54 < panku> I also see chown root.root errors. Bet that's in the same file that didn't get built. 21:54 < panku> hmm. 21:55 < fake> are you building as root? 21:55 < panku> yes as root 21:55 < fake> well, sysfiles is crucial. 21:55 < fake> ls build/<your_build_id>/var/adm/logs/*-sysfiles.* , please 21:56 < panku> No such file. That's how I determined that sysfiles didn't get built. 21:56 < fake> hrm 21:57 < fake> grep '^X.*sysfiles.*' config/<yourconfigname>/packages 21:57 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 21:59 < fake> or just grep sysfiles config/<configname>/packages 22:00 < panku> hmm.. don't see it in there. let me poke around 22:00 < fake> interesting... 22:00 < fake> if it's not in the packages file, not even as O'ed package, it has benn pkgdeleted 22:00 < fake> *been 22:03 < panku> When I built the config, I choose generic target, minimal package and elected NOT to build linux26 using - linux26 under package selection rules. 22:04 < panku> Think that might have stripped out the sysfiles? 22:04 < fake> hm, if you just want to disable a package, use 'O linux26' 22:05 < fake> i can not imagine how that could have influenced sysfiles, but you may give it a try 22:05 < fake> if you finsihed scripts/Config, do the grep thing again 22:11 < netrunner> wonderful. now if I take the latest uml patch, I get infinite loop wise scrolling NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0 22:24 * fake again thinking of updating dietlibc... 22:34 -!- demian [allyourbas@p5487260C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:34 < demian> hi 22:34 < fake> hi demian 22:47 -!- madtux [~mike@ip176-133-122-200.ct.co.cr] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:47 < panku> fake, figured out what removed sysfiles. I checked 'Disable packages which are marked as broken' 22:48 < fake> panku: yeah, i hate that option 22:49 < panku> Guess that begs the question: how does one know when the package is broken? I thought it was a result of the build. 22:52 < panku> should I stop the build, reconfigure and restart? Will everything have to recompile? 22:52 < fake> panku: there is a reference build that's being run from time to time. the results are used... 22:52 < fake> nonono. 22:52 < fake> just re-start ./scripts/Build-Target 22:52 < fake> if your build-id didn't change, the missing packages should be droppen in... 22:52 < panku> cool! 22:53 < fake> *dropped 22:53 < panku> Thanks for your help, BTW. I really like the rocklinux concept. 22:54 < fake> glad to hear ;) 22:56 < demian> bye 22:56 -!- demian [allyourbas@p5487260C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 23:13 < mnemoc> moin 23:13 < fake> hi mnemoc 23:14 < mnemoc> hi fake 23:18 < fake> mnemoc: why does dietlibc use CC=gcc ? is that cmd_wrapper-evasive-setting intentional? 23:18 < mnemoc> CC=gcc will use the wrapper too 23:18 < fake> nope... 23:18 < fake> at least, it doesn't in my case 23:19 < mnemoc> tools.cross shall have precedence on PATH 23:19 < fake> hm, easy test: if i do 'which gcc' 23:20 < fake> debug-dietlibc:[dietlibc-0.27]# which gcc 23:20 < fake> /usr/bin/gcc 23:20 < mnemoc> that's bad 23:20 < fake> ack ^^ 23:20 < fake> stage 1... 23:20 < fake> hrm. 23:20 < mnemoc> cc,gcc,gcc-34 should be wrappers 23:21 < fake> nope. only $archprefix-{g,}cc{3,34} 23:22 < mnemoc> that might be wrong 23:22 < mnemoc> or new stuff on 2.1 23:23 < fake> new? ;) 23:23 < mnemoc> last time i fighted gcc wrappers gcc _was_ a wrapper 23:23 < fake> i know, it should. my question was ironical, i consider that a bug, not 'new stuff' ;) 23:24 < daja77> bug or feature, what's the difference 23:24 < mnemoc> lot of 2.1 stuff i currently kind of buggy :\ 23:24 < fake> mnemoc: that's why it's called -DEV ;) 23:25 < fake> but its not thaaat bad, i constantly get nice running builds. 23:25 < mnemoc> -dev has sense if you have an -stable instead of -stalled 23:25 < daja77> mnemoc: ack 23:25 < mnemoc> me wanted a -test :( 23:26 < fake> mnemoc: what is a -test ? 23:26 < fake> is it somewhere between -stalled and -dev ? 23:26 < mnemoc> not restricted as -stable but only with almost-stable stuff from -dev 23:28 < mnemoc> consider we will have to wait _three_? years to have gnome 2.6 on an usable branch? 23:28 < fake> that's what i consider a good stable. 23:28 < fake> not too far away from dev, but thoroughly tested. 23:28 < mnemoc> -stable, -testing, -devel 23:29 < mnemoc> -stable for production where you can't risk anything 23:29 < mnemoc> -testing for production when you can your as far as the stuff work 23:29 < daja77> I understood stable in a different way, stable means, no changes on the scripts iirc, not stalling the packages 23:29 < mnemoc> -devel to express our dreams :) 23:30 < mnemoc> daja77: gnome2.4 -> gnome2.6 can't be done on an -stable branch because to API change 23:30 < daja77> damn 23:30 < mnemoc> the API change* 23:30 * fake doesn't need -stable nor -testing 23:31 < fake> just drop a buildable, well tested export somewhere once a month 23:31 < mnemoc> when you earn money with rock you need someting you can trust 23:31 < mnemoc> fake: that is an 'snapshot' of -testing 23:32 < mnemoc> -testing is always buildable, but doesn't warranty background compatibility as -stable 23:33 < fake> hm.. what's all that abi fluff @gnome26 about? 23:33 < mnemoc> no idea :) 23:33 < fake> if i update gnome26, i have to update all relevant packages, i'm confident of that 23:34 < mnemoc> i guess so 23:34 < fake> but who uses the personalized library-hell? ;) 23:34 < mnemoc> i want too 23:34 < fake> if i update kde from kde2 to kde3 i don't expect to run it with my old qt either 23:35 < mnemoc> i.e. i want something nice without another graphic lib, i already need gtk+, then i'll will not add qt 23:35 < daja77> yep you have to updtae all, which is no problem at least for me 23:35 < mnemoc> fake: that's why that kind of updates don't go to -stable branches 23:35 < fake> why?? 23:35 < mnemoc> $$ 23:36 < mnemoc> at home there is no problem 23:36 < mnemoc> on business the risk is to high 23:36 < fake> the only thing that _I_ care about wrt. to customer pc's is, i.e. if kmail changes it's default mail folder 23:36 < mnemoc> he 23:37 < fake> so, if i'd need to change anything in /home, that's a show stopper 23:37 < fake> but how frequent is that? 23:38 < mnemoc> frequence*amount_of_boxes*amount_of_accounts*night_time_needed_to_fix_it 23:39 < netrunner> hm, my clock shows 23:42 23:39 < fake> mnemoc: use rocket to propagate updates... 23:39 < mnemoc> people who care about this _need_ an -stable branch to trust on an open source project 23:39 < fake> netrunner: *scared* ;) 23:40 < panku> fake, thanks again for your help. I rebuilt the config file and all the 'broken' packages are now compiling. 23:40 < panku> CU later. 23:41 < mnemoc> fake: propagate the updates is not a problem with ROCK ;) ... to be _available_ to fix posible problems and do monkey jumps if the problems happen is the real problem 23:41 -!- panku [~junk@wbar6.wdc2-4.14.74.44.wdc2.dsl-verizon.net] has left #rocklinux [] 23:43 < netrunner> fake: have you looked at rocket? 23:43 < fake> netrunner: vague 23:43 < mnemoc> .oO( i hate the name of that vaporware )o 23:44 < fake> when i last looked, it seemed usable 23:44 < netrunner> fake: well ... do a vi /usr/sbin/rocket 23:44 < fake> netrunner: yes? 23:44 < fake> 117 lines of very smart bash ;) 23:45 < mnemoc> :) 23:45 < netrunner> oh, mine is only 26 lines long, what have I missed? 23:45 < fake> and awk magic. 23:45 * fake marks netrunner as deprecated 23:45 < mnemoc> no `m4`? 23:45 < mnemoc> (jk) 23:55 * netrunner goes to bed. 23:58 < mnemoc> gn8 netrunner 23:59 * daja77 goes too 23:59 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 --- Log closed Sun Aug 01 00:00:14 2004