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00:10 < madtux> cya
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00:35 < freed> hi all
00:38 < fake> arrrr
00:38  * fake pulling his hair
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01:29 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:29 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
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01:52 < fake> wow, a hot slut in our channel...
01:52 < fake> *GG*
01:55 < fake> :(
01:55 < fake> hehe
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02:10 < fake> jsaw: i just tested it - -mhard-quad-float is not an option.
02:27 < fake> ...
02:27  * fake still testing
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03:42 < fake> (ROFL*
03:42 < fake> asm/unistd.h on mips, about _syscall5 and _syscall6:
03:42 < fake>  * Using those means your brain needs more than an oil change ;-)
03:42 < fake>  */
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03:46 < fake> hi Freak!
03:46 < Freak> hi
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05:29 < fake> jsaw: seems like i can negate my previous statement about -mhard-quad-float. CC=$CC gets overwritten in dietlibc.conf by CC=gcc, which in turn misses cmd_wrapper -> my option was not really added... boy...
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08:13 < RainbowTSC> mm
08:14 < RainbowTSC> ne1 available for a quick boot prompt question?
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08:32 < RainbowTSC> I've got a pentium 166 with 32 MB of RAM, and I'm trying to boot off the 2.0.0-rc5 minimal iso image... It gets to freeing unused kernel memory then hangs, what should I pass to the boot prompt?
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08:54 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
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09:27 < De_Elsasser> bonjour
10:03 < netrunner> bonjour frenchie :)
10:06 < netrunner> ah, my uml is booting :)
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10:29 < daja77> RainbowTSC: use the the small stage 2, normal stage 2 rewquirees at least 64mb
10:36 < th> uhh - moin
10:37 < th> my ./scripts/Config exits with 127
10:38 < th> (this seems to be since my build-system is a rock-2 itself
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10:45 < th> ahh
10:46 < th> src/rockdialog.bin
10:46 < th> ./src/rockdialog.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libtinfo.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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10:47 < TxD> moin
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10:51 < th> one should really remove src/ when changing build-system
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14:44 < th> re
15:08 < fake> moin.
15:16 < fake> tar 1.14 is out...
15:16 < fake> and i'm still fixing 1.3.94, stoopid fake
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15:47 < fake> == 07/31/04 13:28:55 =[1]=> Finished building package tar.
15:47 < fake> wee.
15:53 < mnemoc> moin!
15:53 < mnemoc> sparc again?
15:53 < fake> yes  - dietlibc quad-fp stuff
15:53 < mnemoc> native or cross?
15:53 < fake> testing wether -mhard-quad-float makes the sparc64-softquadfpu patch obsolete
15:53 < fake> native, this time ;)
15:54 < fake> the machine is already running minimal rock 2.1
15:55 < fake> tar: Unaligned block (5000 bytes) in archive
15:56 < fake> *arghl*
15:56 < mnemoc> s.th happens :\
15:57 < fake> -B is ought to fix this
15:57 < fake> i just read
15:57 < mnemoc> gcc -B?
15:57 < fake> tar -B
15:59  * fake testing
16:09 < mnemoc> that -B is a bit dirty... can you enable it by default for that arch?
16:09 < fake> it doesn't work anyway
16:09 < fake> afaics
16:10 < mnemoc> :|
16:11 < fake> oh
16:12 < fake> there is a bug that hardcodes -B to false ;)
16:16 < fake> a fix for that is in tar cvs.
16:18 < mnemoc> hehe
16:19 < fake> wee. that did it.
16:19 < mnemoc> i guess we can featch it :)
16:19 < fake> it autodetects wether the block-realign is needed... the bug was in buffer.c where that option was overwritten.
16:20 < mnemoc> harcoded or wrong memory usage?
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16:22 < fake> hardcoded
16:23 < fake> there are quite a few weirdos around these days...
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16:55 < madtux> hi.
16:55 < mnemoc> madticox!
16:56 < madtux> hola mnemoc 
16:58 < Lorini> moin
16:58 < mnemoc> moin lorini!
16:58 < mnemoc> buenos días don Miguel
16:59 < madtux> hi Lorini.
16:59 < Lorini> hi mnemoc, madtux
16:59 < fake> hi Lorini!
16:59 < fake> hi mike!
16:59 < madtux> fake: !
17:00 < Lorini> huhu fake
17:01 < fake> *wink*
17:01 < fake> huhu
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17:04 < Lorini> *wank*? *g*
17:06 < fake> *wunkel*
17:08 < fake> DIETHOME rules.
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17:11 < mnemoc> fake: yes!
17:11 < mnemoc> i wanted to do the some from long time ago, but.. i never did it :p 
17:11 < mnemoc> s/some/same/
17:12 < madtux> do the some... wtf is that..
17:13 < fake> do the monkey ;)
17:14 < mnemoc> madtux: dietlibc has it's header's location hardcode as a #define DIETHOME
17:14 < fake> jep.
17:14 < fake> so if you build in chroot it's /usr/dietlibc
17:14 < mnemoc> then, the bootdisk creation needed dietlibc installed on build machine
17:16 < mnemoc> i guess that may produce 'some' problems on cross-buiild
17:16 < mnemoc> jsaw improved it to use an env-var called DIETHOME if it's available
17:17 < fake> it even creates problem is you want to build linuxrc - if there is no dietlibc installed on the build host
17:17 < fake> becuase calling diet gcc linurxrc.c will look for /usr/dietlibc/{include,lib}
17:17 < mnemoc> no arch problems?
17:17 < fake> lib-${CPU}
17:17 < mnemoc> a... ok
17:18 < fake> lib-{$targetCPU} is only in build/$ROCKFG_BUILD_ID/usr/dietlibc/
17:18 < fake> usually, except your name is fefe and you build dietlibc for all arches by default ;))
17:19 < daja77> fake: you are not? *ggg*
17:19 < mnemoc> hehe
17:19 < mnemoc> f..e match fefe and fake ;)
17:19 < fake> i noticed yesterday that there are targets for sth like that in dietlibc's Makefile
17:19 < fake> like 'make sparc mips arm' ;)
17:20 < daja77> fake would fit in twice in him ...
17:20 < fake> daja77: never
17:20 < mnemoc> LOL
17:20 < daja77> :D
17:20 < fake> fefe is better compressable than fake
17:20  * daja77 should bunzip fake on devmeeting
17:25 < mnemoc> you think you will be able to bunzip fake to the size of fefe??
17:25 < fake> how can 'fake' be compressed?
17:25 < fake> byte-packing... ?
17:27 < daja77> i am no expert in human compressions ...
17:27 < fake> oh, i thought you mean just the string 'fake' ;)
17:28  * fake very easily compressable
17:28 < daja77> thought you already are
17:28 < fake> no...
17:28 < daja77> *gg*
17:28 < fake> strip fake 
17:28 < fake> ;)
17:28 < daja77> ^^
17:29 < mnemoc> now we have a fake without symbols :\
17:30 < fake> well, i am NOT the artist formerly known as prince, so there should be at least _something_ left ;)
17:31 < daja77> this artist is now known again as prince ...
17:32 < daja77> cos nobody understood this symbol nonsense
17:32 < fake> ;)
17:32 < mnemoc> hehe
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17:57 < TxD> moin
17:57 < mnemoc> moin TxD 
18:07 < fake> boy this powermac is SLOOOW
18:07 < fake> == 13:10:05 =[5]=> Building base/glibc=glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV].
18:07 < fake> == 07/31/04 20:16:45 =[5]=> Finished building package glibc23.
18:07  * fake notices time offset +2h
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18:24 < tfing> sweet, mine -r on a package created by mkpkg just removed my /opt ...
18:25 < fake> tfing: was /opt empty besides the remove pkg?
18:25 < tfing> there was *only* e16, e17, gnome2, apache, postfix in it
18:26 < fake> tfing: that should never happen...
18:26 < fake> tfing: mine -r should only remove empty directories, that's crucial!
18:27 < tfing> well, it did not
18:27 < fake> tfing: mine --version ?
18:28 < tfing> 0.18
18:28 < fake> tfing: bug report...
18:28 < fake> to ml
18:29 < fake> i guess you don't have the flist for the just-removed package anymore... ?
18:32 < tfing> i have it in /var/adm/backup 
18:32 < tfing> oh sweet, i haven't lost anything in fact
18:33 < tfing> my /opt was a link to /usr/opt
18:33 < tfing> only the symlink has been removed
18:33  * tfing breathes again
18:35 < mnemoc> hehe
18:35 < mnemoc> mine -r _only_ remove empty dirs and unmodified files
18:35 < tfing> anyway, it's strange that the symlink has been removed
18:35 < tfing> but maybe it was removed by the mkpkg make install
18:35 < mnemoc> it was considered an unmodified file :)
18:37 < fake> tfing: you shocked me ;)
18:37  * fake closing mine source vim again ;)
18:37 < tfing> :)
18:37 < fake> jsaw: ping
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18:43 < SerWou> putain
18:43 < SerWou> sorry, wrong chan ;)
18:44 < tfing> SerWou: rudeness is only accepted in english here ;P
18:44 < SerWou> lol
18:44 < SerWou> Damned*
18:44 < fake> it is much too hot...
18:44 < fake> *sweats*
18:45 < SerWou> me too
18:45 < SerWou> 32°C here
18:45 < Lorini> fake: indeed
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19:47 < fake> hi netrunner 
19:49 < netrunner> re
19:49 < netrunner> hi fake
19:50 < Lorini> hi netrunner!
19:52 < netrunner> hi lorini ;)
19:53 < Lorini> :)
19:54 < netrunner> hot here. just shut down the epia, it cannot handle the heat with its poor cooling
19:57 < fake> netrunner: install an active cooler...
19:57 < fake> oh boy, how i hate it.
19:58 < fake> binutils failed because of an error in gawk
19:58 < fake> now i rebuilt gawk with debugging symbols, and now it works! *pulling his hair*
20:02 < netrunner> fake: it has one. but quite a small. and the 2 on the back of the case. but they are not that effective as the case is quite small.
20:03 < netrunner> fake: have you checked if your memory is fine?
20:04 < fake> netrunner: it's a sparc64 with ecc ram...
20:06 < netrunner> I only remember once I had weird build errors that made no sense at all I had a defect ram.
20:08 < fake> netrunner: i am pretty confident the ram is alright. 
20:08 < netrunner> okok, I believe you, just wanted to add an idea.
20:10 < fake> i suspect it's more likely the sparc64 hard quad floating point assembler instructions cause Bus Errors
20:10 < netrunner> interesting. starting sshd in my uml causes a kernel panic
20:26 < fake> hrmpf.
20:26 < fake> dietlibc failing after my nice patch ;)
20:26 < fake> on i386 un-optimized, and onlu diet-dyn
20:26 < fake> *only
20:52 < fake> ARGH
20:52 < fake> again, this problem vanished.
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21:43  * fake bored
21:44  * fake Spock - Dr. McCoy
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21:45 < fake> hi panku
21:46 < panku> hi fake
21:46 < panku> just starting with rocklinux
21:50 < panku> I'm building a distribution and I keep getting an error that says line 308: /etc/profile: no such file or directory
21:50 < panku> Should I add the file to the build directory?
21:50 < fake> where? while building?
21:50 < panku> Yes.. while building.
21:50 < fake> in which stage of the build?
21:50 < panku> stage 5
21:51 < fake> did sysfiles build?
21:51 < fake> the package 'sysfiles', stage 1
21:52 < fake> that's where etc/profile is created inside of the chroot
21:54 < panku> Nope... I started with a generic target and minimal template. Perhaps sysfiles got left out.
21:54 < fake> that's unlikely...
21:54 < panku> I also see chown root.root errors. Bet that's in the same file that didn't get built.
21:54 < panku> hmm.
21:55 < fake> are you building as root?
21:55 < panku> yes as root
21:55 < fake> well, sysfiles is crucial.
21:55 < fake> ls build/<your_build_id>/var/adm/logs/*-sysfiles.* , please
21:56 < panku> No such file. That's how I determined that sysfiles didn't get built.
21:56 < fake> hrm
21:57 < fake> grep '^X.*sysfiles.*' config/<yourconfigname>/packages
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21:59 < fake> or just grep sysfiles config/<configname>/packages
22:00 < panku> hmm.. don't see it in there. let me poke around
22:00 < fake> interesting...
22:00 < fake> if it's not in the packages file, not even as O'ed package, it has benn pkgdeleted
22:00 < fake> *been
22:03 < panku> When I built the config, I choose generic target, minimal package and elected NOT to build linux26 using - linux26 under package selection rules. 
22:04 < panku> Think that might have stripped out the sysfiles?
22:04 < fake> hm, if you just want to disable a package, use 'O linux26'
22:05 < fake> i can not imagine how that could have influenced sysfiles, but you may give it a try
22:05 < fake> if you finsihed scripts/Config, do the grep thing again
22:11 < netrunner> wonderful. now if I take the latest uml patch, I get infinite loop wise scrolling NET4: Linux TCP/IP 1.0 for NET4.0
22:24  * fake again thinking of updating dietlibc...
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22:34 < demian> hi
22:34 < fake> hi demian
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22:47 < panku> fake, figured out what removed sysfiles. I checked 'Disable packages which are marked as broken'
22:48 < fake> panku: yeah, i hate that option
22:49 < panku> Guess that begs the question: how does one know when the package is broken? I thought it was a result of the build.
22:52 < panku> should I stop the build, reconfigure and restart? Will everything have to recompile?
22:52 < fake> panku: there is a reference build that's being run from time to time. the results are used...
22:52 < fake> nonono.
22:52 < fake> just re-start ./scripts/Build-Target
22:52 < fake> if your build-id didn't change, the missing packages should be droppen in...
22:52 < panku> cool!
22:53 < fake> *dropped
22:53 < panku> Thanks for your help, BTW. I really like the rocklinux concept.
22:54 < fake> glad to hear ;)
22:56 < demian> bye
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23:13 < mnemoc> moin
23:13 < fake> hi mnemoc 
23:14 < mnemoc> hi fake 
23:18 < fake> mnemoc: why does dietlibc use CC=gcc ? is that cmd_wrapper-evasive-setting intentional?
23:18 < mnemoc> CC=gcc will use the wrapper too
23:18 < fake> nope...
23:18 < fake> at least, it doesn't in my case
23:19 < mnemoc> tools.cross shall have precedence on PATH
23:19 < fake> hm, easy test: if i do 'which gcc'
23:20 < fake> debug-dietlibc:[dietlibc-0.27]# which gcc
23:20 < fake>  /usr/bin/gcc
23:20 < mnemoc> that's bad
23:20 < fake> ack ^^
23:20 < fake> stage 1...
23:20 < fake> hrm.
23:20 < mnemoc> cc,gcc,gcc-34 should be wrappers
23:21 < fake> nope. only $archprefix-{g,}cc{3,34}
23:22 < mnemoc> that might be wrong
23:22 < mnemoc> or new stuff on 2.1
23:23 < fake> new? ;)
23:23 < mnemoc> last time i fighted gcc wrappers gcc _was_ a wrapper
23:23 < fake> i know, it should. my question was ironical, i consider that a bug, not 'new stuff' ;)
23:24 < daja77> bug or feature, what's the difference
23:24 < mnemoc> lot of 2.1 stuff i currently kind of buggy :\
23:24 < fake> mnemoc: that's why it's called -DEV ;)
23:25 < fake> but its not thaaat bad, i constantly get nice running builds.
23:25 < mnemoc> -dev has sense if you have an -stable instead of -stalled
23:25 < daja77> mnemoc: ack
23:25 < mnemoc> me wanted a -test :(
23:26 < fake> mnemoc: what is a -test ?
23:26 < fake> is it somewhere between -stalled and -dev ?
23:26 < mnemoc> not restricted as -stable but only with almost-stable stuff from -dev
23:28 < mnemoc> consider we will have to wait _three_? years to have gnome 2.6 on an usable branch?
23:28 < fake> that's what i consider a good stable.
23:28 < fake> not too far away from dev, but thoroughly tested.
23:28 < mnemoc> -stable, -testing, -devel
23:29 < mnemoc> -stable for production where you can't risk anything
23:29 < mnemoc> -testing for production when you can your as far as the stuff work
23:29 < daja77> I understood stable in a different way, stable means, no changes on the scripts iirc, not stalling the packages
23:29 < mnemoc> -devel to express our dreams :)
23:30 < mnemoc> daja77: gnome2.4 -> gnome2.6 can't be done on an -stable branch because to API change
23:30 < daja77> damn
23:30 < mnemoc> the API change*
23:30  * fake doesn't need -stable nor -testing
23:31 < fake> just drop a buildable, well tested export somewhere once a month
23:31 < mnemoc> when you earn money with rock you need someting you can trust
23:31 < mnemoc> fake: that is an 'snapshot' of -testing
23:32 < mnemoc> -testing is always buildable, but doesn't warranty background compatibility as -stable
23:33 < fake> hm.. what's all that abi fluff @gnome26 about?
23:33 < mnemoc> no idea :)
23:33 < fake> if i update gnome26, i have to update all relevant packages, i'm confident of that
23:34 < mnemoc> i guess so
23:34 < fake> but who uses the personalized library-hell? ;)
23:34 < mnemoc> i want too
23:34 < fake> if i update kde from kde2 to kde3 i don't expect to run it with my old qt either
23:35 < mnemoc> i.e. i want something nice without another graphic lib, i already need gtk+, then i'll will not add qt
23:35 < daja77> yep you have to updtae all, which is no problem at least for me
23:35 < mnemoc> fake: that's why that kind of updates don't go to -stable branches
23:35 < fake> why??
23:35 < mnemoc> $$
23:36 < mnemoc> at home there is no problem
23:36 < mnemoc> on business the risk is to high
23:36 < fake> the only thing that _I_ care about wrt. to customer pc's is, i.e. if kmail changes it's default mail folder
23:36 < mnemoc> he
23:37 < fake> so, if i'd need to change anything in /home, that's a show stopper
23:37 < fake> but how frequent is that?
23:38 < mnemoc> frequence*amount_of_boxes*amount_of_accounts*night_time_needed_to_fix_it
23:39 < netrunner> hm, my clock shows 23:42
23:39 < fake> mnemoc: use rocket to propagate updates...
23:39 < mnemoc> people who care about this _need_ an -stable branch to trust on an open source project
23:39 < fake> netrunner: *scared* ;)
23:40 < panku> fake, thanks again for your help. I rebuilt the config file and all the 'broken' packages are now compiling.
23:40 < panku> CU later.
23:41 < mnemoc> fake: propagate the updates is not a problem with ROCK ;) ... to be _available_ to fix posible problems and do monkey jumps if the problems happen is the real problem
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23:43 < netrunner> fake: have you looked at rocket?
23:43 < fake> netrunner: vague
23:43 < mnemoc> .oO( i hate the name of that vaporware )o
23:44 < fake> when i last looked, it seemed usable
23:44 < netrunner> fake: well ... do a vi /usr/sbin/rocket
23:44 < fake> netrunner: yes?
23:44 < fake> 117 lines of very smart bash ;)
23:45 < mnemoc> :)
23:45 < netrunner> oh, mine is only 26 lines long, what have I missed?
23:45 < fake> and awk magic.
23:45  * fake marks netrunner as deprecated
23:45 < mnemoc> no `m4`?
23:45 < mnemoc> (jk)
23:55  * netrunner goes to bed.
23:58 < mnemoc> gn8 netrunner 
23:59  * daja77 goes too
23:59 < mnemoc> gn8 daja77 
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