--- Log opened Sun Aug 01 00:00:14 2004
00:21  * fake chilling himself to bed
00:23 < mnemoc> n8 fake 
01:20 < fake> damn
01:21 < fake> i need drugs, lots of drugs
01:21 < mnemoc> why?
01:22 < fake> see rock-sm@rocklinux.org ;)
01:22 < mnemoc> are you flooding us?
01:23 < fake> with the nonsense i do when i'm straight, yes
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01:30 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
01:30 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
01:30 [Users #rocklinux]
01:30 [ [anders]] [ esden  ] [ jsaw    ] [ mistik1   ] [ rolla ] [ tfing   ] 
01:30 [ blindy  ] [ fake   ] [ kasc    ] [ mnemoc    ] [ rxr   ] [ th      ] 
01:30 [ daja77  ] [ Freak  ] [ lewellyn] [ netrunner ] [ rxr_  ] [ togg    ] 
01:30 [ DieTerkE] [ FuHr3r_] [ Lorini  ] [ owl       ] [ SerWou] [ valentin] 
01:30 [ dsoul   ] [ hannes_] [ luckz   ] [ RainbowTSC] [ SMP   ] [ zzoc    ] 
01:30 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 30 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 30 normal]
01:30 -!- Channel #rocklinux created Mon Aug  4 00:11:35 2003
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02:33 < mnemoc> *yawn*
02:54 < rxr_> moin mnemoc 
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02:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr
02:56 < mnemoc> btw, my last patch on submaster is for you if you can't sleep and still want to maintain 2.0 :\
02:56 < mnemoc> i have to go home now..
02:57 < mnemoc> and i'm waiting for you comments about the definition of 'distribution' :D
02:57 < mnemoc> gn8 fake,rxr 
03:03 < rxr> I just fixed an ugly PowerPC visible STONE bug in mz private
03:03 < rxr> tree - but unless some official ROCK person says something to the current 2.0 status
03:04 < rxr> I do not commit into it ...
03:04 < rxr> I'm already in bed - and theoretically wanted to sleep - but I ended up polishing the iBook ALSA driver a bit more ...
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08:40 < RainbowTSC> I'm trying to install rocklinux, my first go, and I don't get a first stage boot option menu, is there some boot option I can pass to the kernel to check what's going on?
09:38 < netrunner> RainbowTSC: what version of rock? what is the last thing you see?
10:01 < RainbowTSC> 2.0.0, freeing unused kernel memory
10:02 < RainbowTSC> I got told to load 2nd_stage_small, but I tried that and I get a VFS root error...
10:06 < fake> RainbowTSC: on a 586 MMX?
10:07 < RainbowTSC> pentium 166
10:08 < fake> jep, this is known... the problem is dietlibc related
10:08 < RainbowTSC> maybe I just got the commands around backwards...
10:08 < fake> and only the bootcd is affected
10:08 < RainbowTSC> so is fine via floppies?
10:08 < fake> no, the floopies contain the same code the bootcd does ;)
10:09 < RainbowTSC> is it just 2.0.0?
10:09 < fake> the linuxrc startup script is compiled against dietlibc, which makes it require 686 on *some* machines
10:09 < fake> i have seen pentium's where it booted fine
10:12 < fake> RainbowTSC: no idea about 2.0.x, it's still present in 2.1-DEV, afaics
10:12 < RainbowTSC> ok, I have heard about rocklinux for ages, and I finally got around to put together a test machine, I love the philosophy behind it, and would love to have a play on it, any suggestions about what to do to get it installed?
10:12 < fake> RainbowTSC: is there already linux on the machine?
10:12 < RainbowTSC> slackware
10:14 < RainbowTSC> after I finish install, I put the cover back on it and it becomes a jukebox for my bedroom...
10:14 < fake> RainbowTSC: you could boot the slackware and install it over 
10:15 < RainbowTSC> how would I go about doing that?
10:16 < RainbowTSC> would I have to mount the cd as a loopback device and copy the files across?
10:16 < fake> RainbowTSC: mkdir /mnt/{target,cdrom} ; mount <cd_device> /mnt/cdrom ; cd /mnt/cdrom 
10:16 < fake> no loopback device needed
10:17 < fake> RainbowTSC cd 2.0.0-* (not the dir containing bootdisk, the other)
10:17 < RainbowTSC> yes
10:17 < fake> RainbowTSC for i in ./*.gem ; do echo "installing $i..." ; mine -i -R /mnt/target $i ; done
10:17 < fake> (you will need mine for this - you can compile it from source beforehand on you slack)
10:18 < RainbowTSC> sweet
10:18 < fake> then your new root is in /mnt/target
10:18 < fake> if you have more than one disk in it, you could mount a small spare one there, depending on how much you install
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10:19 < fake> if you habe just one disk, use a static shell to move over the individual directories
10:19 < fake> like /mnt/target/bin/kiss
10:20 < fake> sorry for the mess, i just discovered this dietlibc weirdness maybe 2 days ago
10:21 < RainbowTSC> that's about when I discovered the bug, although I didn't know what it was...
10:23 < RainbowTSC> how big would a small rocklinux install need, no X or fancy stuff, just base, compile, and ssh, sound?
10:26 < RainbowTSC> I think I'll repartition the system, and mount the then old / slackware as /home...
10:28 < RainbowTSC> thanks for the help
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11:12 < fake> hi De_Elsasser 
11:13 < De_Elsasser> hi fake, nice to see you ;)
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11:23 < fake> the pleasure is mine ;)
11:23 < De_Elsasser> fake: oh no, mine :)
11:26 < De_Elsasser> are you today alone of the waid web wannel?
11:32 < fake> it seems so ;)
11:33 < fake> i'm going to leave soon
11:33 < fake> (as soon as i understood wtf they did to tar 1.14.1)
11:33 < De_Elsasser> oh no I am affraid
11:34 < De_Elsasser> ?
11:34 < fake> i will leave the light on when i leave ;))
11:34 < De_Elsasser> oh good
11:44  * fake votes for renaming of -stable and -DEV to -stalled and -BROKEN ;)
11:45 < fake> j/k
11:45  * netrunner notes his existence
11:45 < De_Elsasser> yes, na
11:45 < De_Elsasser> opsalah
11:46 < fake> netrunner: we want proof!
11:46 < De_Elsasser> netrunner is here, yes sir
11:47 < De_Elsasser> hi netrunner
11:47 < fake> netrunner: long night? ;-)
11:48 < netrunner> hi fake :)
11:48 < netrunner> hi De_Elsasser 
11:48 < netrunner> everybody satisfied now? :)
11:48 < De_Elsasser> mmh
11:48 < netrunner> fake: no, not really. have to work on this stupid thesis :(
11:49 < fake> netrunner: so stupid you have to confirm you exist when you get up? boy...
11:50 < daja77> I do exist after that nice cup of coffee
11:52 < De_Elsasser> daja77 ist auch hier? ne ?
11:52 < De_Elsasser> hi daja77
11:52 < daja77> hi De_Elsasser 
11:52 < fake> daja77: schwarz und lekka?
11:53 < daja77> schwarz + milch
11:53 < De_Elsasser> lekka?
11:53 < fake> tasty
11:53 < fake> daja77: blasphemic
11:53  * netrunner ran out of coffee yesterday. still my coffee machine is on repair.
11:53 < daja77> fake: huh?
11:54 < netrunner> when I come back from my trip to moldova I call them and tell them to give me my money back.
11:54 < fake> daja77: if you add milk, it's no longer schwarz und lekka!
11:54 < De_Elsasser> :))
11:54 < daja77> stimmt, weiss und lekka *gg*
11:54 < De_Elsasser> :))
11:57 < netrunner> anybody remember the link to the page that revealed hidden passages in word documents?
11:58 < daja77> i know what you mean but can't remember the url
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11:58 < daja77> hm wait checking bookmarks
11:59 < De_Elsasser> check check ...
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12:01 < daja77> don't have it
12:02 < netrunner> hm, it's hard to find it in google.
12:04 < De_Elsasser> I am going miam-miam
12:13  * fake -> shower
13:09 < th> moin
13:13 < dsoul> hi th 
13:13 < De_Elsasser> heidiho
13:13 < dsoul> gcl needs update to 2.6.3-1
13:25 < netrunner> hi th
13:27 < dsoul> pegasus too :)
13:27 < dsoul> hi netrunner 
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13:33 < netrunner> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996209 
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13:54 < netrunner> what is wrong with the following?
13:54 < netrunner>  if [ "$xpkg"="linux24" ] ; then echo "Including linux24 stuff since xpkg='$xpkg'"; fi
13:54 < netrunner> I get: Including linux24 stuff since xpkg='linux26'
13:56 < netrunner> oh, the space around the = is mandatory?
14:02 < th> anyone knows where to find a firefox changelog?
14:05 < tfing> th: http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/ if you want a selective changelog
14:05 < th> tfing: thanks
14:05 < th> i just want to get the mozill -remote behaviour working
14:06 < th> but 0.9.0 tells me about no running window found
14:06 < tfing> replace it by mozilla -a mozilla --remote ...
14:08 < th> i thought 177996 would be related
14:08 < th> there is no -a mentioned in --help
14:08 < th> ahhh
14:08 < th> you mean i should run mozilla binary to trigger this in firefox?
14:09 < tfing> for firefox, i have firefox -a firefox --remote ...
14:09 < th> what does the -a do?
14:09 < tfing> it makes it work :)
14:09 < th> it isn't documented
14:10 < th> firefox -a firefox --remote http://www.rocklinux.org
14:10 < th> Error: Failed to send command: 500 command not parsable: http://www.rocklinux.org
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14:40 < tfing> th: --remote "openURL(http://www.rocklinux.org)"
14:47 < th> tfing: but this chooses one existing tab
14:47 < th> tfing: and replaces it's content
14:47 < th> tfing: i need new-tab
14:47 < th> and this does not work
14:47 < th> (got it working for without newtab already)
14:50 < tfing> th: --remote "openURL(http://www.rocklinux.org,new-tab)"
14:54 < th> Error: No running window found
14:54 < th> UHHH
14:54 < th> this works with -a
14:54 < th> ehm..
14:55 < th> this DID NOT work 5 minutes ago
14:55  * th is confused.
14:55 < th> tfing: but: "thanks!"
14:56 < tfing> it works only if there is a running firefox
14:56 < th> of course
14:56 < th> thats no problem
14:56 < th> my firefox uptime is some days..
14:56 < SMP> th: that's gotta make it chew up huge amounts of memory ...
14:57 < th> SMP: i know. that's why it's uptime is not "some months"
14:57 < th> SMP: gimme some url into my jabber please..
15:01 < th> SMP: thanks. works again
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17:24 < RainbowTSC> I have a problem trying to compile mine0.18, who should I speak to / email?
17:25 < tfing> RainbowTSC: to clifford
17:25 < tfing> clifford @ clifford . at
17:27 < RainbowTSC> clifford.at   at is a domain group?
17:27 < th> RainbowTSC: .at is the austrian top-level-domain
17:28 < th> RainbowTSC: what problem is that?
17:29 < RainbowTSC> didn't know
17:30 < RainbowTSC> I like it
17:31 < SMP> mailing rock-devel@rocklinux.org might be better, though
17:31 < RainbowTSC> ok, will do
17:32 < SMP>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
17:32 < SMP>  2827 stefanp   15   0  247m 110m  37m S  0.7 10.9  52:18.62 kdeinit: kicker
17:32 < SMP> this is SO incredible
17:36 < De_Elsasser> I have a little problem by compiling xmms-midi, can you help me?
17:37 < SMP> you'll never find out if you don't ask
17:38 < De_Elsasser> fcreating libtool
17:38 < De_Elsasser> loading cache ./config.cache
17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for gtk-config... (cached) no
17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for GTK - version >= 0.99.7... no
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** The gtk-config script installed by GTK could not be found
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** If GTK was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** your path, or set the GTK_CONFIG environment variable to the
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** full path to gtk-config.
17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for glib-config... (cached) no
17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for GLIB - version >= 0.99.7... no
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the
17:38 < De_Elsasser> *** full path to glib-config.
17:38 < De_Elsasser> checking for XMMS include files... yes
17:38 < De_Elsasser> here it is
17:39 < De_Elsasser> --with-gtk-prefix=/opt/gnome/  doesn't work
17:40 < SMP> running "glib-config --prefix" outputs what?
17:47 < De_Elsasser> /opt/gnome
17:49 < SMP> remove config.cache, re-run configure, then browse through config.log and try to find output related to running gtk-config or glib-config
17:54 < RainbowTSC> is mine-0.18 considered stable?
18:02 < netrunner> RainbowTSC: no problem so far, why?
18:03 < RainbowTSC> trying to compile it under slackware, and I'm running into function errors...
18:04 < RainbowTSC> too few arguments to function 'init_dialog'
18:05 < De_Elsasser> fconfigure:1361: checking for gtk-config
18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1396: checking for GTK - version >= 0.99.7
18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1632: checking for glib-config
18:05 < De_Elsasser> configure:1667: checking for GLIB - version >= 0.99.7
18:05 < De_Elsasser> and now?
18:10 < netrunner> De_Elsasser: have you updated your gnome? could it be that it searches gnome in a different directory?
18:10 < De_Elsasser> no
18:14 < RainbowTSC> netrunner: found the problem, using dialog-1.0 - seems it declares init_dialog(FILE *input, FILE *output);
18:14 < RainbowTSC> not init_dialog (void)
18:21 < De_Elsasser> ok it's good, ./configure under root :]
18:51 < De_Elsasser> yes but, it install the libraries in /usr/(local)/bin/Input/libmid... and I can find they with ldconfig?
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19:10 < true> hi
19:12 < De_Elsasser> hihi true
19:16 < RainbowTSC> ok, stuck again
19:17 < RainbowTSC> selector.c:538: undefined reference to 'put_backtitle' 
19:21 < th> RainbowTSC: can't you just use a mine.static from a rock target?
19:24 < RainbowTSC> I got told yesterday to download the tarball and compile it...
19:24 < th> i see
19:25 < th> RainbowTSC: perhaps you should assert the correct versions for some requirements
19:25 < RainbowTSC> it's my first crack at rocklinux, and I'm trying to install it on a P166 with 32 MB ram...
19:26 < SMP> compiling on that box is not gonna be fun
19:26 < RainbowTSC> the only version that was off was dialog...
19:27 < RainbowTSC> SMP: it's better then my original target, a 486SX laptop with 8MB...
19:27 < SMP> you should seriously consider getting a Rock binary build
19:28 < RainbowTSC> I got the 2.0.0 CD, burnt it, and discovered I can't boot off it, something to do with dietlibc...
19:28 < SMP> how far does it boot?
19:28 < RainbowTSC> freeing unused kernel memory, then hangs
19:29 < th> RainbowTSC: what is the exact name of the target on the 2.0.0 cds?
19:29 < th> RainbowTSC: whats it's optimization?
19:30 < RainbowTSC> 2.0.0-rc5-x86-pentium-mmx-32
19:30 < RainbowTSC> is that the right info?
19:31 < owl> moin
19:31 < th> moin owl
19:34 < owl> hi th 
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19:57 < owl> esden: !!! 
19:58 < th> RainbowTSC: yes
19:58 < th> RainbowTSC: and i suspect your machine has no mmx
20:04 < RainbowTSC> th: where would I find binaries for my machine?
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20:09 < th> RainbowTSC: might be that there aren't
20:09 < th> RainbowTSC: you could use a faster machine to build some
20:10 < RainbowTSC> th: I thought you had to have rock installed to correctly build rock binaries...
20:14 < th> you could install rock to a faster machine that has mmx
20:15 < th> brb
20:15 < RainbowTSC> what if I shoved the HD in a faster machine, could I then cross compile it down?
20:15 < SMP> RainbowTSC: yes
20:16 < SMP> RainbowTSC: that would not even be a cross-build
20:16 < RainbowTSC> but if all the hardware but the HD changes, won't It need to be recompiled?
20:17 < SMP> certainly not
20:20 < RainbowTSC> ok, I'll go try that now, thanks for the help :)
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20:47 < Aztecnodreams> hola
20:48 < Aztecnodreams> mmmta esta madre está muerta
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21:39 < netrunner> re
22:13 < netrunner> what does btee do?
22:14 < netrunner> ah sshd under 2.6 works :)
22:25 < SMP> btee is a buffering tee that delays opening the output file until signalled so in the input stream
22:30 < netrunner> ah. it must be used from fsck or so. because when booting into uml I get tons of buffer full, dropped data from this btee.
22:30 < netrunner> it seems that we use an implementation from clifford.
22:31 < netrunner> my uml runs now :) it is obviously better to compile without modules.
22:34 < SMP> haha
22:35 < SMP> well, all our init scripts run under btee
22:37 < netrunner> could it be an issue that they run in a terminal? because usually fsck shows no btee errors ...
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23:10 < SMP> netrunner: ehm - nope
23:11 < SMP> you usually get a btee overrun from fsck's progressbar
23:12 < netrunner> ah, could be this then.
23:13 < netrunner> some time ago I heard of a system to run fsck later in background, wouldn't that be a nice feature to have? (optional maybe)
23:15 < SMP> background fsck is an ugly hack used by BSD systems
23:16 < SMP> it's not possible on Linux and neither does it make sense
23:16 < daja77> to avoid to have real journalling?
23:16 < SMP> daja77: well, "avoid" is an extremely positive way to put it
23:16 < SMP> they just don't _have_ it
23:17 < daja77> hehe ok :)
23:17 < SMP> (well they do have softupdates, but they still think they need to do an fsck, so)
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