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01:12 < esden> hi ho everyone
01:12 < fake> hi esden
01:13 < fake> esden: don't smoke so much, it's not good for your health ;)
01:16 < esden> fake: :P
01:24  * daja77 kicks the parisc-linux.org website
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02:05 < madtux> re.
02:05 < fake> re...
02:05 < madtux> mm... fake up late :)
02:07 < daja77> :D
02:08 < madtux> wtf daja77 too
02:08 < daja77> <- at fake's :)
02:08  * madtux quite happy relaxing at bar near the office.. wireless powered :)
02:08 < daja77> hehe
02:09 < madtux> sexy chicks all over the place, good music, beer... free bandwidth what else can i ask for?
02:09 < madtux> :)
02:09 < daja77> a digicam to let us share your impressions ^^
02:10 < madtux> i'll remeber to bring it next time i come around
02:10 < daja77> ;)
02:10 < madtux> i didn't knew there is wifi.. the set it up today
02:10 < madtux> hehe people already wonder how come connection suddenly slowed down :)
02:11 < daja77> hehe
02:11 < fake> madtux leeching rock sources ;)
02:11 < madtux> ack
02:12 < madtux> -full :)
02:12 < fake> not really?
02:13 < madtux> yeah
02:13 < fake> *rofl*
02:13 < fake> no DSL at home?
02:13 < madtux> daja77, should try the same :)
02:13 < madtux> fake, no beer and beautifull woman at home
02:14 < fake> madtux: is there a power outlet nearby?
02:15 < madtux> fake, 5 hours batery..
02:15 < madtux> do i need a power outlet?
02:15 < madtux> there are some around but i won't bother.
02:15 < fake> how fast is that line?
02:16 < madtux> 512/256
02:16 < madtux> fast enough for what i need right now.
02:16 < madtux> fake, i'll bring u here when u come to .cr
02:20 < fake> madtux: will i?
02:21 < fake> madtux: i have no plans to travel ;)
02:21 < madtux> thats up to u :)
02:21 < daja77> madtux: i use a university conn for downlaod 100mbit :)
02:21 < madtux> but if u _ever_ decide to come.. just let me know :)
02:21 < fake> madtux: maybe one day i'll wake up in CR, then i'll ask you for your gps coordinates in this chan ;))
02:22 < madtux> daja77, stop teasing this is not my main download place.. i'm just hear to have a beer and see girls.. but heck if they got broadband... cool.
02:22 < madtux> fake, np. :)
02:23  * valentin totaly stunned
02:24 < madtux> valentin, how many fingers do i have here?
02:24 < valentin> ahm 11 ?
02:25 < valentin> i just saw a video of a doom II freak playing all 32 levels of this game on nightmare in 14 minutes and 41 seconds
02:25 < madtux> missed. 
02:25 < madtux> 0_o
02:27 < valentin> i got it as avi
02:27 < madtux> can i see?
02:27 < madtux> http://colt45.chemlab.org/In%20the%20Realm%20of%20the%20Hackers.avi <-- by JTS Moore from Revolution OS
02:27 < valentin> http://www.computergames.ro/download.php/optiune-show_download/did-3019/
02:29 < madtux> <click>
02:30 < valentin> this guy uses masses of ugly tricks like rocket jumps and stuff to do that - anyway, its amazing
02:31 < valentin> what is this 'real of hackers movie about ?'
02:33 < madtux> about some australian hackers that went to jail on 93.. some folks that hacked satelitall systems and other important shit
02:33 < madtux> i'm downloading the doom vid
02:34 < valentin> it's about 150 Mb
02:35 < madtux> yeah i realized
02:45 < valentin> oh this movie i saw was only ultra violence
02:45 < valentin> but there is another one for nichtmare
02:45 < valentin> http://doomworld.com/sir_robin/castle/demos/
02:46 < valentin> but its a demo file, you need a running doom to play that one
02:54 < rolla> re
02:55 < madtux> joel!
02:55 < madtux> :)
02:55 < rolla> yeah I live
02:55 < madtux> wow!
02:55 < madtux> :)
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03:07  * fake leeching the doom video
03:07 < SMP> pretty awesome
03:09 < valentin> i wonder how many people will still play doom III in 10 years
03:10  * fake loved duke nukem ][
03:10  * SMP wonders if Commander Keen appears in Doom III ;->
03:12  * owl_ wonders how many people in #rocklinux are addicted to games 
03:12 < owl_> *running away*
03:13 < valentin> owl: doom is not a game
03:14 < owl_> valentin: hoeh? what then? 
03:15 < valentin> competitive sports
03:16 < owl_> *cough*
03:17 < owl_> define sports: something you're doing (mostly outside) and in RL under physical reaction of your body
03:20 < valentin> ok, most doom people are playing at home, but there is physical reaction
03:20 < valentin> btw: i'm not an active doom player
03:21 < valentin> i had been a few years ago
03:22 < owl_> valentin: which? the finger you're using to press the mouse-key down hurts?
03:22 < daja77> chess is an olypic sports iirc
03:22 < valentin> i just think that it is sport if someone trains about 8 years to break a speed running record. and it is an enourmous task for your brain 
03:23 < owl_> chess is also an game. even if it's an "olympic sports"
03:23 < owl_> valentin: hmm. imho not
03:25 < owl_> anyway
03:25 < valentin> owl: i don't mind if you do not share my opinions regarding classic doom. i'm used to the prejudice of outsiders that doom is a game for braindead people
03:25 < owl_> , i'll go sleeping
03:26 < valentin> good night
03:26 < owl_> hehe. ok
03:26 < owl_> gn8
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03:32 < valentin> if anyone is interessted - i found a d2 nightmare runthrough as divX
03:33 < valentin> this time it's realy nightmare modus :)
03:39 < SMP> valentin: sure. url?
03:39 < valentin> hope this one works:
03:39 < valentin> http://www.archive.org/download/Doom2_SS_NM_3159/Doom2_30NM_3159.avi?PHPSESSID=d0404e36264001582c0caee9a24bf6d3
03:40 < valentin> quality of this movie is quite good compared to the first one
03:40 < SMP> yup. thanks
03:42 < SMP> hmm. download took 20 sec. ;->
03:42 < valentin> SMP: huh ?
03:42 < valentin> mine is still downloading - but speed is good enough to what it inbetween
03:45 < SMP> yeah. but it'll take another half hour to transfer over the DSL :-\
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03:58 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: ROCK Linux 2.0.2 released! http://www.rocklinux.org/rock20.html
03:58 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Mon Jun 28 12:17:40 2004]
03:58 [Users #rocklinux]
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03:58 [ anonymous-coward] [ esden  ] [ Lorini   ] [ rxr  ] [ valentin ] 
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03:58 [ daja77          ] [ jsaw   ] [ netrunner] [ th   ] 
03:58 [ DieTerkE        ] [ kasc   ] [ owl      ] [ togg ] 
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04:37 < valentin>  gn8
04:44 < daja77> n8 valentin 
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07:59 < TxD> moin
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08:05 < cutio> 'morgen
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10:10 < owl> moin
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10:24 < totom> hi
10:25 < totom> can someone tell me how to deselect packages with an '=' in the package name? like bdb=bdb41
10:26 < owl> hi totom 
10:26 < totom> if i enter 'bdb41' or 'bdb=bdb41' in the package selection nothing happens
10:29 < owl> aehm... afaik you have to say 'O bdb' then
10:30 < totom> yes - sorry that was what i mean
10:30 < totom> i entered 'O bdb41' 
10:30 < totom> and 'O bdb=bdb41' 
10:30 < owl> hmmmmmmmm... 
10:30 < owl> sorry then :/
10:30 < totom> but the packe is still there
10:30 < owl> <- doesn't use rock... just hat it in mind...
10:31 < totom> the problem seems to be the =
10:32 < totom> in the name
10:32 < owl> dunno. and the dev's are on the meeting
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10:41 < tcr> moin all
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12:29 < owl> how do i enable the locales during compilation of bash?
12:29 < owl> (non-engl)
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12:34 < rxr> totom: maybe just do not use 2.1 ...
12:34 < rxr> *grin*
12:35 < nosfod_> the problem is the translation of the strings i enter in the package selection to the awk file
12:35 < nosfod_> it eats '='
12:38 < rxr> I can imagine - but do not work on ROCK because of 2.1 borkup anymore ...
12:38 < rxr> well - not only because, but that is one reason ...
12:38 < th> grr%$!,(!
12:43 < rxr> th: ?
12:43 < th> rxr: just a bit pissed cause of your 2.0 embargo
12:44 < rxr> what embargo?
12:44 < th> rxr: you stopped applying.
12:44 < rxr> I do not feel I have the right
12:44 < rxr> if all the response I get from leaving ROCK is nearly nothing from the copyright holding person ...
12:45 < th> rxr: you got the right to do as you became maintainer
12:46 < rxr> th: I do not got any response from core developers and as such I feel I should rather do nothing anymore anyway ...
12:46 < th> rxr: but then you should say this on ML!
12:46 < rxr> I think I posted the relevant information to the mailing list
12:47 < rxr> that people do not care is the main problem of ROCK ..
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12:47 < th> rxr: you might be right in that
12:47 < th> rxr: i'm just pissed cause 2.0 is frozen because of this
12:48 < rxr> th: I can give you access to my ROCK successor that has already quite some work in it ... if that makes you feel better ...
12:49 < rxr> it is not that I do not want to do work, ...
12:49 < th> yes - i got your point - i think
12:52 < rxr> and one aspect of this fictive project is that other people will get cooperative write access ...
12:53 < th> but it's still fictive.
12:53 < th> and i suppose it's quite a long way to get a set of developers
12:54 < rxr> I started dRock as a one person project - so currently I already have more ...
12:54 < rxr> ,-)
12:54 < th> ;>
12:55 < rxr> but the ROCK linux scripts will be complete replaced - and quite differently reimplemented as well as quite an different feature set implemented ... so yes, it will take some time to have this fully production ready ...
12:56 < th> the difference between what i need and what ROCK offers is not big enough to justify such a big step for me
12:57 < rxr> I did not want to poach you from ROCK ;-)
13:14 < tcr> rxr: You're using firefox, right?
13:18 < rxr> tcr: only barely - I packaged it and start it from time to time ...
13:18 < th> i do use firefox
13:18 < rxr> tcr: I'm a KDE addict - but feel free to ask nevertheless ...
13:19 < tcr> rxr: Well, I'm talking about the pkg anyway.
13:19  * SMP now has stable Java again in firefox thanks to j2sdk 1.5 ..
13:20 < th> SMP: something special about it? or just installing j2sdk an linking the plugin?
13:20 < th> s,an,and,
13:20 < SMP> nothing special, just easy
13:21 < tcr> rxr: I had to temporally chown /opt/firefox to tcr, then run firefox once which created some files and directories within /opt/firefox (which it didn't have the permission for before chowning).
13:21 < rxr> yes this is a known firefox design bug
13:21 < rxr> I already spend a wohle day tracking it, this can not be elegantly solved yet
13:21 < rxr> the mozilla people need to rewrite some parts of it
13:22 < SMP> try this:
13:22 < rxr> it does need to run one to execute some javascript ...
13:22 < tcr> Uh, I can't remember I had similiar problems with mozilla
13:22 < SMP> dist_bin=`pwd`
13:22 < SMP> MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=$dist_bin
13:22 < SMP> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$dist_bin
13:22 < SMP> export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME LD_LIBRARY_PATH
13:22 < SMP> $dist_bin/regxpcom
13:22 < SMP> $dist_bin/regchrome
13:22 < SMP> touch $dist_bin/chrome/user-skins.rdf $dist_bin/chrome/user-locales.rdf
13:22 < rxr> jups - mozilla does not need it ...
13:22 < th> tcr: oh yes there where problems with it in mozilla - ages ago
13:22 < valentin> hm, some moron tried to log into my server as user test,admin and root. this guy started 3:51 and gave up a few hours later...
13:22 < rxr> SMP: nope - this will not work
13:22 < rxr> SMP: the package already does it - for firefox this is different
13:23 < rxr> the stuff seem to be crate due to startup javascript ...
13:23 < SMP> oh. too bad
13:23 < th> valentin: i think you missed "guest"
13:23 < valentin> th: yes - some kind of worm ?
13:23 < th> some kinda
13:23 < th> perhaps
13:24 < SMP> valentin: the whole 'Net is being scanned since at least last week
13:24 < SMP> the exact origin is still unknown
13:24 < rxr> the only solution I came up to is to shortly run it in this virtual test X server - Xvfb I think - but this is dirty ...
13:25 < rxr> so run it once as root - and hope those mozilla folks fix it in the future ...
13:25 < tcr> chown -R $user /opt/firefox && su -c firefox tcr && chown -R root /opt/firefox -- did it
13:25 < th> chowning /opt/firefox instead of running it as root sounds ... better
13:25 < rxr> btw, the "RedHat" RPM does not do a attempt to package it right - and gentoo added a tar with the created files to the ebuild (no comment on that ...)
13:26 < SMP> but the scanner software has the interesting quirk of sending a 'bye, bye' message before closing the connection, which is nothing any known ssh client does
13:26 < th> SMP: does it scan for any ssh security problems?
13:26 < tcr> rxr: I don't care anymore. You could add a note to be echo'd to firefox.conf though. Same goes to the Xfree and expat thingy.
13:27 < rxr> tcr: post a patch and hope it get's applie by 2.1 people
13:27 < SMP> th: apparently not. just regular login attemps to these accounts with a few weak passwords
13:27 < rxr> I'm no longer on that ...
13:28 < rxr> tcr: btw, if you have some spare minutes, feel free to feed my inbox with your ideas of a distribution built kit if you feel so ...
13:32 < tcr> rxr: I didn't know that you retired. Unsubbed from -devel some time ago. I'll see that I collect some stuff together and send it to you during Voyager. 
13:34 < SMP> *LOL*
13:34 < SMP> "There exists a finite state machine that, given any program less than a gigabyte long, immediately returns whether the program will halt (we do not know that finite state machine however?see below for why)."
13:34 < tcr> rxr: My sine curve of interest in this particular stuff is momentarily at the local minimum, howsoever. :)
13:35 < rxr> tcr: how comes?
13:35 < valentin> SMP: this state machine is possible for each constant maximum lenght, isn't it ?
13:36 < valentin> SMP: URL ?
13:37 < tcr> rxr: I suspended it and lost interest because I didn't bother anymore. Though I tend to gain new interests in stuff as quickly as I lose it... ;)
13:37 < SMP> valentin: I think it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
13:53  * SMP wonders if it's so silent in here because everybody is busy solving the halting problem ;-)
13:54 < th> certainly not ;-p
13:54 < valentin> i foud out that you can actually solve it, if you are able to write a program that prints out all programs that are not able to printout themselves
13:56 < SMP> valentin: that's true. however, the problem of writing that program is equivalent to the halting problem
13:57 < valentin> SMP: the question of interesst is, will this program print it's own code or not ?
14:00 < valentin> I prefer the incompleteness theorem to the halting problem.
14:02  * SMP off to solve the shower problem
14:02 < SMP> (how to take a shower and not get your feet wet)
14:02 < owl> take "plastiktueten" *cough*
14:03 < th> SMP: stand on your hands
14:04 < SMP> that partial solution works under some circumstances, yes
14:17 < owl> well at least taking "plastiktueten" worked quite well, when my achilles tendon was slightly ripped 
14:19 < owl> http://thenull.funpic.de//forum/viewforum.php?f=12
14:21 < rxr> ?
14:22 < owl> ??
14:22 < owl> link to a vote...
14:31 < rxr> where can I vote ?
14:31 < owl> when you're registered
14:31 < owl> (trying to change it to anonymousvogint... )
14:33 < rxr> ehrm - owl - do you think I register at everones weblog?
14:33 < rxr> +y
14:33 < owl> nah ;)
14:33 < owl> but you should have access now - to vote
14:34 < rxr> hm - where to click?
14:35 < owl> hmm. normally you should have the options "neue rechtschreibung" , "alte r." or "dunno"... hmm
14:36 < owl> hmm. 
14:37 < rxr> hmm - not there - at least not here on my SPARCs Konqui ...
14:38 < nosfod_> there is also no button with mozilla and opera
14:38 < owl> well... it seems to be a bug... the sw resets the "poll"-rights to "registered only" :(
14:45 < daja77> moin
14:45 < owl> user: guest, passwd: guest -> ... 
14:45 < daja77> it is silent because everybody is still sleeping ...
14:50 < rxr> owl: hm - now I have voted and no other "guest" can vote again?
14:53 < owl> rxr: we will see ;)
14:54 < owl> .oo( manual resetting shoul be possible *thinking*)
14:55 < rxr> owl: your voting should get some rework ... ;-)
14:55 < owl> rxr: yeah... *cough*
14:57 < daja77> hi rxr & owl 
14:57 < rxr> hi daja77 
14:57 < rxr> owl: otherwise with this 3 votes the old writing will win ;-)
14:59 < daja77> 52 builds total, 49 completed fine, 3 with errors. <- the result of yesterday's hppa crossbuild :)
15:00 < owl> jep *hrhr* 
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15:13 < fake> moin
15:13 < th> moin fake
15:14 < daja77> moin th
15:22 < owl> hi fake , th 
15:23 < togg> moin fake, th, owl
15:24 < togg> & daja77 
15:24 < Lorini> hi
15:24 < fake> hi Lorini ;)
15:24 < Lorini> .. :)
15:24 < daja77> hi Lorini & togg
15:24 < togg> :)
15:39 < mnemoc> moin!
15:39 < fake> hi mnemoc!
15:39  * fake getting teamspeak
15:39 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
15:40 < mnemoc> hi ^fake|daja77$
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15:40  * daja77 kicks mnemoc 
15:41 < mnemoc> :<
15:41 < daja77> :D
15:41 < mnemoc> i forgot the () 
15:42 < owl> well... board fixed. anonymous posting possible (whitou guest)
15:43 < mnemoc> hi owl
15:45 < owl> hi mnemoc 
15:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:47 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:48 < owl> rxr: works now? 
15:49 < rxr> timeout on server
15:49 < rxr> hm - nope
15:50 < owl> oaeh? O_o
15:50 < rxr> when I clock on "stimme absenden" I get a screen full of garbage ...
15:50 < th> rxr: so you got your job as php-board tester?
15:50 < rxr> AND vote_user_ip = 'd536d2bd' 
15:50 < rxr> and so on ...
15:50 < rxr> th: nope
15:51 < owl> aaaaaargh. damnit. thx :(
15:51 < rxr> older Konqueror - 3.1.x 
15:52 < owl> .oO( don't trust sourcecode you didn't write by yourself... )
15:52 < owl> hrm. k.
15:52 < daja77> could be a konqui bug
15:53 < owl> i'm confused... even crating an poll without beint logged in works... 
15:55 < th> perhaps we could even delete everything without being logged in?
15:57 < owl> nope. deleting is just for admins
15:58 < fake> hehe
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16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
16:31 < mnemoc> anyone insterest in reviewing a simple script to replace ISC's dhclient-script with one rewritten to use iproute2?
16:31 < th> what does this dhclient-script do?
16:32 < mnemoc> dhclient (from ISC's dhcp) calls it to set stuff
16:32 < th> i see
16:32 < mnemoc> currently it only does what ISC's does, i.e. set ip, route and nameserver
16:32 < th> mnemoc: why bother using ISC dhcp client at all?
16:33 < mnemoc> that's a good question :)
16:33 < th> for me dhcpcd works very well as a replacement
16:33 < th> and for me it's even FASTER.
16:33 < th> dhclient always took about a second or two
16:34 < mnemoc> how does dhcpcd work with windows' dhcp server?
16:35 < th> never tried.
16:35 < th> windows' dhcp server?
16:35 < th> *shiver*
16:35 < mnemoc> :\ my univ use that s.th
16:36 < th> so give it a try
16:36 < th> i don't see a reason why it shouldn't work
16:37 < mnemoc> udhcp doesn't ;)
16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, pong
16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: it was about the dhclient thing
16:42 < rxr> ok
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16:58 -!- fake_ is now known as clifford
17:00 < mnemoc> th: do you have rocknet module for dhcpcd?
17:00 < mnemoc> hi clifford 
17:01 < th> mnemoc: no and i suppose i'll never have
17:01 < mnemoc> :p
17:01 < th> mnemoc: for the moment i dislike rocknet.
17:02 < th> mnemoc: i prefer the old style /etc/conf/network start_net() stop_net() functions
17:03  * mnemoc is lazy :)
17:03  * th is lazy too. in fact that's the reason i dislike (to learn about) rocknet
17:16  * fake has got teamspeak installed
17:17  * th has no headset here...
17:19 < fake> th: you can still just listen ;)
17:19 < th> right
17:19 < th> i would do that
17:20 < th> i'm already connected
17:20 < th> no one's here.
17:20 < rxr> cu
17:20 < fake> th: connected? on my server? it's not running right now, is it??
17:20 < fake> rxr: bye
17:20 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.210.189.tisdip.tiscali.de] has left #rocklinux []
--- Log closed Sat Aug 07 17:21:21 2004