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[00:17] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAA380.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] <SMP> daja77: can you check if your qt33 installed a broken bin/qmake symlink, too? [00:20] <daja77> not atm [00:20] <daja77> i don't have that build anymore :/ [00:21] <SMP> d'oh [00:21] <daja77> sm recreate is evil ... [00:23] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) left irc: "leaving" [04:07] blindy_ (~blindcode@p54803F18.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:07] blindy (~blindcode@pD958FE98.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:07] Nick change: blindy_ -> blindy [04:44] Freak (freak@helena.bawue.de) left irc: Excess Flood [04:44] Freak (freak@helena.bawue.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:04] valentin (~valentin@port-212-202-42-20.dynamic.qsc.de) got netsplit. [06:05] valentin (~valentin@port-212-202-42-20.dynamic.qsc.de) returned to #rocklinux. [07:59] BoS (~BoS@dialin-145-254-076-113.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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(*.iso) [10:36] <[anders]> I think I spelled most of it right. not sure if it should be 'den' or 'der' or 'die' [10:36] <kraftwerk> [anders]: it should be "der" ;-) [10:37] <[anders]> kraftwerk: uhm.. been a while since I used ROCK (like version 1.5.13 and 1.4.0) [10:37] <th> kraftwerk: you should checkout the 2.0-stable head [10:37] <[anders]> there no links from rocklinux.org to the download? [10:38] <th> kraftwerk: what are you looking for? rock-source or some kind of binary? [10:38] <kraftwerk> source, but i wan't the iso-images [10:39] <kraftwerk> source, but i want the iso-images -- sorry ;-) [10:39] Action: [anders] makes mental note that Autobahn is male.. [10:39] <th> kraftwerk: source but iso-images? [10:39] <th> kraftwerk: there are no images in the source [10:40] <kraftwerk> [anders]: no, "Autobahn" is female ;-) "Die Autobahn" but in the grammatical form of this sentence is the right form "Der Autobahn"... hm german suckt ;-) [10:40] <th> and there are no binaries for a long time [10:40] <kraftwerk> th: hm... [10:40] <kraftwerk> th: i would build rock linux for me from source [10:41] <[anders]> kraftwerk: /me is confuddled now.. it should be Die Autobahn, but in the sentence in the song, you'd have to treat it as if it were male.. [10:41] DeElsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-222.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [10:41] <th> [anders]: in fact it's the 3rd decline [10:41] <th> aehm [10:41] <th> fall [10:41] <th> case? [10:41] <th> dunno [10:42] <th> [anders]: you know about declining in german grammer? [10:42] <[anders]> th: que-va-what? [10:42] <th> [anders]: 1st to 4th decline [10:42] <[anders]> I guess that should be a 'no'.. [10:42] <[anders]> I didn't do too well in german in school.. [10:42] <[anders]> :-) [10:43] <kraftwerk> th: i'd like to BUILD rock linux. (aren't the sources on the disk?) [10:43] <th> [anders]: a noun has to be decline (article adoption) for different grammatical forms [10:43] <th> kraftwerk: there is no disc! [10:43] <kraftwerk> th: ok... [10:43] <th> kraftwerk: but there are sources [10:43] <kraftwerk> th: other possible ways? [10:43] <kraftwerk> th: yes the sources but my computers hd is empty [10:43] <kraftwerk> there is no OS yet. [10:43] <th> kraftwerk: either get an old binary, or request newer ones and wait some time [10:44] <dsoul> kraftwerk get old iso [10:44] <kraftwerk> ok, i take the 2.0.1 iso's. [10:44] <th> ok [10:44] <dsoul> update rock-sources [10:44] Action: th makes a note to release some bianries capable of building. [10:44] <dsoul> and build own [10:49] <kraftwerk> ok. is it easy to build rock from the 2.0.1-cd's? [10:49] <[anders]> kraftwerk: should be [10:50] <dsoul> yes [10:50] <kraftwerk> well, i will see ;-) [10:50] <[anders]> you'd have all you need to do the build [10:50] <kraftwerk> ok. [10:50] <dsoul> handbook is very helpfull :) [10:50] <[anders]> just grab the 2.0.2 build sources, tell it to download the source packages and build them. :) [10:50] <kraftwerk> yes, i will download it. [10:51] <kraftwerk> [anders]: ok that's very good. [10:51] <th> kraftwerk: and do a ./scripts/Update-Src before building [10:51] <kraftwerk> th: ok thx [10:51] <[anders]> kraftwerk: compared to when I was using ROCK, things might be a little different, but the basics should be the same. :) [10:51] <th> kraftwerk: that way you get the most recent sources. [10:51] <th> you don't need to download 2.0.2 sources separately [10:52] Action: [anders] been using Debian for the last year or so.. [10:52] <kraftwerk> ok thats cool [10:52] Action: kraftwerk is using debian, too. but he wants to test something new. [10:53] <[anders]> last ROCK box I admined was replaced with Debian when the hard-drive died. Had no ROCK install CD's so grabbed the sarge Cd's and used them. [10:53] <kraftwerk> ok [10:53] <[anders]> been meaning to take a look at ROCK again.. but need more RAM and faster CPU first [10:54] <kraftwerk> debian is very big, with many unwanted packages, like python2.1/2.3... so i thought, rock could be the right for me. [10:54] <dsoul> [anders] you can build on fast box and install on slower [10:54] <[anders]> dsoul: my fastest box is a 1900+ that currently is dead.. [10:55] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-12-4.w81-53.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] <dsoul> i'm building on c633 [10:55] <dsoul> for c366 laptop :P [10:55] Action: kraftwerk will build it on a 1.8ghz P4m - processor, with 512mb. hopes it goes faster than gentoo :P [10:55] <[anders]> it also runs smtp, dns, mysql, apache, samba and a few other bits that _has_ to be there. :) [10:56] <[anders]> building ROCK on that box would impare the services I run, so not really an option at the moment [10:56] <kraftwerk> is there some GNUstep support for ROCK? [10:56] <[anders]> I do have a spare 800MHz Athlon box in Sweden, but can't get to it at the moment.. [10:57] <dsoul> [anders] use nice ;) [10:57] <[anders]> nice -20 ./scripts/Build all :-) [10:58] <dsoul> (; [10:59] <[anders]> Better to have a separate box for that type stuff.. [11:00] <[anders]> The box in Sweden is a full tower.. and I could use a SCSI tapedrive in that.. Perfect to run all my services on, and do backups etc. [11:00] <dsoul> :) [11:01] <[anders]> the box I am fixing up, could take a 3200+ and 2GB RAM plus 2x250GB SATA drives mirrored to run builds and various other stuff on. ;-) [11:02] <DeElsasser> == 11:01:19 =[0]=> Building base/glibc=glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV]. [11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. [11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Preparing build in src.glibc23.1093424479.1905.3535334687 [11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc23.out [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> [ writing debug log to /home/rock/trunk/src.glibc23.1093 .. [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> create symbolic link `/home/rock/trunk/src.glibc23.10934 .. [11:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ... [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Extracting glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01.tar.bz2 (--use-compres .. [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Fixing ownership and permissions ... [11:02] <DeElsasser> !> chown: failed to get attributes of `/home/rock/trunk/src .. [11:02] <DeElsasser> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc23.out -> 0-glibc23.err [11:02] <DeElsasser> == 08/25/04 11:01:23 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc23. [11:02] <DeElsasser> what's this [11:02] <DeElsasser> hi all [11:02] <th> DeElsasser: trunk i suppose [11:02] <[anders]> DeElsasser: a build error [11:02] <DeElsasser> yes [11:02] <[anders]> :-) [11:03] <DeElsasser> dont it work? [11:03] <th> DeElsasser: perhaps this is a a-bit-too-bleeding-edge for you? [11:03] <[anders]> ok, from that, it looks like chown failed to find the directory/files to chown [11:03] <DeElsasser> hm? [11:03] <th> DeElsasser: what exactly did you do prior to running your build? [11:04] <[anders]> look in the debug log if there are more details about what chown failed on [11:04] <th> DeElsasser: are you root? [11:04] <DeElsasser> no [11:04] <th> DeElsasser: you must be root to build rock [11:04] <DeElsasser> it's the same [11:04] <th> (non root build is on the roadmap) [11:04] <th> i assume "failed to get attributes" is due to lacking permissions [11:06] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABEF0.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [11:07] <DeElsasser> it's the same and I can't find "0-glibc23.err" [11:07] <th> src.gl*/R.src/ERROR-LOG [11:10] <th> DeElsasser: is your build/*/root/var/adm/logs/ empty? [11:11] <DeElsasser> th: no I have it [11:12] <[anders]> if you have sudo set up on your build box, you can run the build-script via sudo.. [11:13] <[anders]> easier to su - to root and run the build that way as there are always something you need to check out that required root permissions... [11:17] <tcr> hey [anders]. How are you? [11:18] <[anders]> lo tcr.. I am alright, you? [11:18] <tcr> Had to have a haircut yesterday.. :-/ [11:19] Action: [anders] is going for coffee - biab.. :) [11:19] <tcr> I had hairs roughly to my chest... now just enough to still have a small ponytail. I feel so impotent ;) [11:20] <kraftwerk> rofl [11:20] <kraftwerk> ;-) [11:22] <clifford> tcr: military service? [11:22] <tcr> clifford, Nope, diagnosed loss of hair when I'm 30. [11:23] <th> clifford: have a second to talk abour scripts/functions:get_unique() ? [11:23] <clifford> I'm already losing my hair - but I'd do anyways (as every men in my family) [11:23] <clifford> th: yep. [11:23] <th> clifford: it depends on ifconfig a bit to hard i think [11:24] <th> get_unique() { [11:24] <th> date "+%s.$$.`/sbin/ifconfig -a | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`" [11:24] <th> } [11:24] <th> how about the following: [11:24] <th> get_unique() { [11:24] <th> uniqueness_cmd="/sbin/ifconfig -a" [11:24] <th> [ ! -x /sbin/ifconfig ] && uniqueness_cmd="/sbin/ip a" [11:24] <th> date "+%s.$$.`$uniqueness_cmd | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`" [11:24] <th> } [11:24] <th> it would at least offer same service when there is no ifconfig [11:25] <tcr> clifford, Yeah, it'll happen for me anyway. I'm losing hairs already either, but I am notably younger than you last I checked. :P [11:25] <clifford> how about "{ /sbin/ifconfig -a; /sbin/ip a; } 2>&1" [11:25] <clifford> tcr: how old are you? [11:26] <th> clifford: how about set -e? [11:26] <tcr> clifford, too young for losing hairs.. born '87 [11:27] <th> clifford: perhaps some || /bin/true added? [11:27] <clifford> th: doesn't come thru a command substitution [11:27] <th> clifford: but it's ugly [11:27] <th> clifford: ahh isee [11:28] <clifford> tcr: ok - you are to young to lose hair. [11:28] <th> i like the test -x a bit more [11:29] <th> clifford: anyhow it should go upstream first and merged back to 2.0 [11:29] <th> clifford: would you fix this in trunk? [11:44] <clifford> yup. unfortunately I can't connect to my box at home right now... [11:45] <clifford> I'll send myself a mail about it and implement it today evening. [11:45] DeElsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-222.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:50] <th> clifford: great - thanks. [12:14] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^afk [12:28] <[anders]> aaah.. nice cup of espresso.. makes one wake up properly [12:30] Action: daja77 having coffee too [12:49] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-174.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [12:51] DeElsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-174.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [13:38] <th> does anyone know of a mirror of https://capi4linux.thepenguin.de/. the site is down and i need the capi4linux files [13:40] <th> ahh. ftp.in-berlin.de - thanks! [13:41] <daja77> :D [14:20] <daja77> this damn kde-i18n package >_< [14:20] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-174.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:20] DeElsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-23-174.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] <daja77> koffice--i18n [14:21] <daja77> we should just set the cksum to zero and accept any package >_< [14:22] <th> daja77: i asked you for a ack on a cksum two times. [14:23] <th> daja77: it was the same cksum both times [14:23] <th> daja77: i think we could use taht cksum [14:24] <daja77> yeah i just saw that the cksum patch for 2.1 is not applied yet, that's why it makes trouble [14:24] <daja77> th: i'll prepare and test yet another kde 3.2.3 security fix for 2.0 [14:24] <th> daja77: fine. [14:24] <th> daja77: i should release some binary soon... [14:25] <daja77> indeed [14:25] <th> daja77: we need a small iso that is suitable for building 2.0 [14:25] <th> daja77: i think about releasing a generic build with minimal package selection [14:25] <daja77> yep and a huge one to have a usable desktop system again [14:26] <th> and i'm not talking of the minum pkgsel thats currently in [14:26] <th> daja77: the desktop target should do that [14:26] <daja77> yep [14:26] <th> in fact i'm using desktop target builds all over here.. [14:26] <th> 5 machines or so [14:27] <daja77> desktop generic whatever, it should have less bugs than 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 that's all i need atm :) [14:28] <th> yes [14:28] <th> would you help me releasing some minmal binary? [14:28] <th> i would need you to test the installation prgress [14:28] <daja77> yep [14:28] <daja77> if testing in qemu is fine for you too [14:29] <th> ok. so i would send you my proposal for a minimal pkgsel for building rock [14:29] <th> should be no problem [14:29] <daja77> that would be nice [14:29] <daja77> the build could take a bit longer since i plan to run 2.1 builds at the same time [14:30] <th> ok [14:31] <daja77> need it to get some hppa things done, which won't work with 2.0 [14:32] <th> daja77: i think there should be at least about 10 packages or more we can and should drop in that pkgsel [14:32] <daja77> the desktop one? [14:33] <th> the minmal one [14:33] <daja77> i'd like to have the nvidia package in [14:33] <th> daja77: https://thzn.de/rock/ [14:34] <daja77> to be honest i think minimal package selection is not a good name and no goal that can be achieved reasonable [14:34] <th> daja77: the name for the pkgsel i'm talking about is still to be considered [14:35] <th> daja77: suggestions? [14:35] <daja77> oh mom [14:36] <daja77> erh replacing bdb41 by 42? [14:37] <th> daja77: we would loose default links [14:37] <daja77> ah that should be the required selection to compile rock hm [14:37] <th> daja77: compare 41.conf and 42.conf [14:38] <daja77> what about nfs? [14:38] <th> daja77: yes. i'm only talking about a pkgsel providing the bare necessity for building [14:38] <th> daja77: what do you need to do nfs? [14:38] <th> daja77: talking of nfs server? [14:39] <daja77> you need it to mount nfs shares where packages are provided, you need it for cross-native compile and stuff [14:39] <daja77> no i meant client [14:39] <daja77> server would be nice too [14:40] <daja77> and for cluster builds [14:40] <th> daja77: i know what i need nfs for. i asked what you need to do nfs [14:40] <daja77> oops git you wrong [14:40] <th> daja77: you have "mount" you have nfs enabled kernel if you want. [14:40] <th> where is the problem? [14:40] kraftwerk (~alex@fire1.4synergy.com) left #rocklinux ("segmentation fault"). [14:42] <daja77> I'll have a look ... [14:46] <daja77> nfs-utils [14:47] <th> daja77: thats for exporting only, isn't it? [14:47] <th> and lockd [14:47] <daja77> it is, can be very useful in a build environment [14:48] <th> ok. so add it [14:48] <daja77> you'll commit it? [15:09] De_Elsasser (~eric@ANancy-110-1-1-173.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [15:10] <daja77> wb De_Elsasser [15:20] <th> grmpf - re [15:20] <th> daja77: yes i'll commit pkgsels.. but we need a good name for them [15:20] <daja77> rock-kickstart ;) [15:21] <th> daja77: (sorry my line is dead. i'm on isdn backup now.) [15:21] <th> kickstart hmm... [15:21] <th> bootstrap [15:21] <th> buildstrap [15:21] <daja77> yeah [15:21] <th> build-bootstrap.in? [15:22] <daja77> yes sounds ok [15:22] <th> daja77: ok. so please take a 2nd look at the pkgsel. add your nfs-utils and find few other improvements. [15:23] <th> then we should commit it; build it; and release it in binary form [15:23] <daja77> ok [15:27] <daja77> th: habt ihr die bagger in der stadt oder warum geht halb md offline? [15:27] <th> daja77: wer is noch offline? [15:27] <th> daja77: ines? [15:27] <daja77> die uni [15:27] <th> ohh [15:28] <daja77> kann aber an derem umzug liegen [15:28] <th> daja77: die fin lebt [15:28] <daja77> ;) [15:28] <th> daja77: naja - kind of... [15:28] <th> daja77: naja nein - sie ist ziemlich tot [15:28] <daja77> ic [15:46] [anders] (~snafu@blueice1n1.uk.ibm.com) left #rocklinux ("Client exiting"). [16:08] <mnemoc> moin [16:08] <daja77> moin mnemoc [16:09] <mnemoc> moin daja77 [16:14] <daja77> it takes ages to build mozilla [16:15] <daja77> mnemoc: do you like that new package selection name and the selection itself? [16:15] <mnemoc> i don't know the _new_ pkgsel :\ [16:16] <daja77> https://thzn.de/rock/ + nfs-utils [16:16] Action: mnemoc think he has to try 2.1 someday [16:16] <mnemoc> let's see [16:16] <daja77> this is for 2.0 even :) [16:17] <mnemoc> uhm? what do you mean by new then? [16:18] <daja77> we don't call it minimal [16:18] <daja77> because that makes no sense [16:18] <mnemoc> aa... the template [16:18] <mnemoc> i think 'base' is more proper [16:20] <daja77> we'll call it rock-build-bootstrap, cos that fits best i think [16:20] <daja77> you could argue about base or not base the same way like arguing about minimal [16:21] <daja77> what do you think? [16:21] Action: mnemoc reading [16:23] <mnemoc> ash? gnupg? mmv? talk? [16:23] <mnemoc> nssdb??!! [16:24] <daja77> to add or to remove? [16:24] <mnemoc> to _please_remove_that_crap_from_build_bootstrap_ [16:25] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) joined #rocklinux. [16:25] <madtux> hi [16:31] <mnemoc> hi baby-tux :) [16:31] <madtux> hello mny-chan [16:32] <th> mnemoc: yea - we shoudl remove ash, gnupg, mmv and talk [16:33] <th> daja77: do you maintain the pkgsel before commitment? [16:34] <th> daja77: else i could just adapt the online version [16:34] <mnemoc> nssdb makes any machine without bdb33 _crash_ [16:35] <th> mnemoc: under what conditions? [16:37] <mnemoc> a bdb 'hard linked' to glibc makes anything using a different version of bdb segfault [16:38] <mnemoc> nssdb creates that 'hard link' [16:38] <th> where is that link? [16:38] <mnemoc> glibc <-> nss -> nssdb -> bdb33 [16:39] <th> mnemoc: how can i reproduce the "crash" you are talking of? [16:39] <mnemoc> i don't mean 'filesystem hardlink' just a semantic 'hard link' [16:39] <th> mnemoc: in fact all my desktops here have nssdb and bdb33 isntalled [16:40] <mnemoc> build... php against bdb4x, or subversion, or any other package which need bdb [16:41] <th> mnemoc: i think i had nssdb already dropped and added it back into, cause there was some trouble i forget about [16:41] <th> s,forget,forgot, [16:41] <mnemoc> i even vote for _dropping_ nssdb from 2.1 [16:42] <daja77> th: maintain what? /me puzzled [16:42] <th> daja77: forget about it. [16:42] <daja77> ok [16:42] <th> daja77: i just meant collecting the ideas [16:42] <daja77> ok [16:42] <th> daja77: and gathering it all together [16:42] <th> daja77: but i'll do it [16:42] <daja77> :) [16:43] <th> i think we don't need rsh and routed either, do we? [16:43] <daja77> nope [16:43] <th> telnet could be of help [16:43] <th> do diagnose network trouble [16:43] <daja77> yep [16:44] <th> what about prelink? [16:44] <daja77> hm ... [16:44] <th> setserial [16:44] <mnemoc> modems? [16:45] <th> for building rock? [16:45] <mnemoc> :p [16:45] <mnemoc> telnet for building rock? [16:45] <th> mnemoc: for network diagnostics [16:45] <th> mnemoc: yes - for building rock. [16:46] <th> mnemoc: imagine you want to get sources from somewhere [16:46] <th> mnemoc: and want to check whether some httpd / ftpd is alive [16:46] <th> what about "gperf" and "disktype" [16:46] <mnemoc> disktype is needed by stone install [16:46] <th> ok [16:47] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) left #rocklinux. [16:48] <th> daja77: did you already start the minimal build? [16:48] <daja77> no [16:48] <th> good [16:50] <th> https://thzn.de/rock/build-bootstrap.in [16:50] <th> have a look again [16:53] <daja77> mom [16:55] <mnemoc> why bdb33? [16:56] <daja77> hm the rest looks ok so far [16:56] Action: mnemoc rewinding.... what is this pkgsel for? replace stage-1? or some kind of build-cd? [16:57] <mnemoc> indent? [16:57] <mnemoc> s/lynx/links/ [16:57] <daja77> to have a small system rock can be built from that [16:58] <daja77> btw do we want to have disc rescue tools in it? [16:58] <mnemoc> a kind of 'base' then [16:59] <th> mnemoc: i want to release some binaries that should enable people to build rock on [16:59] <th> mnemoc: some sort of "bootstrap" [17:00] <mnemoc> man-pages is junk then [17:00] <th> removed indent [17:01] <mnemoc> what about tcp_wrappers? [17:01] <th> removed tcp_wrappers [17:02] <th> removed man-pages [17:02] Action: daja77 now testing new kdelibs patch [17:02] <th> mnemoc: are you sure we can live without bdb33? [17:02] <daja77> will take hours ... [17:03] <mnemoc> i don't have bdb33 in any machine ,) [17:04] <th> mnemoc: i'll sue you for regessions ;-] [17:04] <th> what about "acl"? [17:04] <th> and "at" [17:04] <daja77> acl is for ext3 [17:04] <daja77> at is somewhat base afaik [17:04] <th> at is just the atd and it's clients [17:05] <mnemoc> i don't have acl neither [17:05] <th> oh. we can remove "dump" hmm? [17:05] <mnemoc> if it's bootstrap only, yes [17:07] <th> updated the online version once again [17:08] <mnemoc> s/lynx/links/ s/telnet/netcat/ ? [17:08] <daja77> th: will you send this upstream for 2.1 too? [17:08] <th> daja77: i see no reason in not doing so [17:08] <mnemoc> this pkgsel doesn't use '2.1-forks' [17:08] <th> daja77: in fact, i think i will send it to sm first [17:08] <daja77> me neither, i just want to know if you do it ;) [17:09] <daja77> it was on 2.1 roadmap anyway [17:09] <mnemoc> th: what about adding the nice pstree? [17:10] <th> pstree? is that something like "ps -axfo user,pid,cmd"? [17:10] <mnemoc> - uudeview? [17:10] <mnemoc> similar but nicer [17:12] <th> removed uudeview [17:13] <th> added psmisc [17:13] <th> hmmm [17:13] <th> osmisc is already in. so we already have pstree [17:13] <th> s,os,ps, [17:13] <mnemoc> :) [17:14] <th> netcat added [17:14] <th> telnet removed [17:14] <th> new version online [17:14] <th> mailx? [17:15] <th> minicom? [17:15] <fake> moin [17:15] <th> moin fake [17:16] <mnemoc> minicom<->setserial [17:16] <mnemoc> if your build machine will connect via modem, yes [17:17] <mnemoc> in that case remember pcmcia-cs and wireless-tools [17:17] <daja77> minicom is nice, could be used to control hppa machines or others [17:17] <fake> what are you talking about? [17:17] Action: fake too lazy to read backlog [17:17] <th> fake: a pkgsel [17:17] <mnemoc> fake: a 'bootstrap' pkgsel th is doing [17:18] <th> fake: we need to release binaries [17:18] <fake> a 'real' minimal ? ;) [17:18] <daja77> no [17:18] <daja77> a real minimal is stupid [17:18] <fake> stupid is a real minimal [17:18] <daja77> kernel + bash, that's minimal ^^ [17:18] <th> fake: i want to have binaries that people can download and build rock with [17:18] <fake> ah, ok [17:18] <mnemoc> daja77: bash-static? [17:18] <fake> we talked about that [17:18] <th> fake: did we? [17:18] <daja77> mnemoc: erhm yes :) [17:18] <fake> didn't we? [17:19] <fake> someone was against it, tcr i guess [17:19] <th> fake: ahh - that talk.. [17:19] <fake> jep [17:19] <daja77> *shrug* who cares [17:19] <fake> th: ref finished [17:19] <th> fake: cool [17:19] <daja77> if tcr doesn't want to use it, it is perfectly fine with me [17:20] <fake> 2190 builds total, 2168 completed fine, 22 with errors. [17:20] <th> added setserial again [17:20] <th> fake: list some of the 22 i don't know of [17:20] <daja77> sounds hard :) [17:20] <th> daja77: what you mean? [17:20] <fake> that would be 2xkoffice-i18n (checksum error) [17:21] <th> fake: do you think we can change cksum to 0? [17:21] <th> fake: or should we give a correct cksum a try again? [17:21] <fake> th: has it changed so often? [17:21] Action: mnemoc have to go... cu [17:21] <fake> cu mnemoc! [17:21] <daja77> cu mnemoc [17:21] <daja77> and thx [17:21] <th> mnemoc: yea - thanks - cya [17:22] <th> fake: have a look at https://thzn.de/rock/build-bootstrap.in [17:22] <th> fake: that's the pkgsel we are currently talking about. [17:22] <fake> # ROCK Linux: rock-src/misc/pkgsel/minimal.in [17:22] <th> fake: propose changes. [17:22] <fake> hehe [17:22] <th> fake: still old ;) [17:23] <th> fake: Create-Copy-Patch should fix that ;> [17:24] <fake> th: that pksel will only work reliably for x86 [17:25] <th> fake: should i rename it to build-bootstrap-x86.in ? [17:25] <th> ;-] [17:26] <fake> th: portmap needs tcp_wrappers [17:26] <th> i see [17:26] <th> mnemoc: tcp_wrappers readded [17:27] <fake> th: you could group out bin86, nasm and grub and disable architecture specific bootloaders below [17:27] <fake> *enable [17:27] <th> fake: can you send patch? [17:28] <th> fake: or gimme detailed instructions? ;-> [17:29] <fake> th: see the bootdisk pkgsel.in [17:30] <fake> in target/bootdisk/default.pkgsel (or so) [17:33] <th> target/bootdisk/config.in, i suppose [17:33] spisaacs (~spisaacs@dpc674486166.direcpc.com) joined #rocklinux. [17:36] <spisaacs> Hi, yesterday I discovered ROCK Linux and need to ask a guru a question. I am currently working on an embedded project which will boot from compact flash. Can ROCK be installed on a compact flash? [17:37] <th> spisaacs: in fact i have some rock rescue systems on CF on servers [17:37] <th> spisaacs: (with ide adapter) [17:37] Action: fake installed a soekris engineering board once [17:40] <th> fake: do we need lilo if we have grub? [17:40] <fake> th: no [17:40] <spisaacs> hmm.... I would like to use an USB interface to initialize the compact flash. [17:40] <th> fake: do we need aboot twice as in bootdisk? [17:40] <th> ;-] [17:40] <fake> th: koffice-i18n checksum is 171886703 for me, can you copy that? [17:41] <fake> spisaacs: usb card reader, i assume [17:41] <th> fake: 398396891 [17:42] <fake> *sigh* [17:42] <fake> th: from what mirror? [17:42] <th> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.3.1/src/koffice-i18n-1.3.1.tar.bz2 [17:42] <th> wget -O - ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.3.1/src/koffice-i18n-1.3.1.tar.bz2 | bzip2 -dc|cksum [17:43] <spisaacs> (sorry I start this conversation and the phone rings -- twice) Yes, a USB card reader. I've done this before with some fancy script foot work but am wondering if ROCK has it or if I would have to build a script again. [17:44] <fake> spisaacs: what do you expect? [17:44] <th> spisaacs: plug your CF and cardreader, then create a filesystem on it, mount it, copy some files [17:45] <th> fake: have a look at the pkgsel again [17:45] <fake> th: jop [17:46] <fake> linux24benh - KICK IT [17:46] <th> fake: done. [17:46] <th> fake: should i remove it too? [17:46] <spisaacs> th: fake: Well, not that big a deal. I can do that. Thanks. [17:46] <fake> you're welcome ;) [17:47] <fake> th: does it still compile? [17:47] <fake> noone testing stable ppc... [17:47] <th> fake: that's gone with rene i suppose. [17:48] <th> fake: can we remove pdksh? [17:48] <fake> i will get a new world mac sometime soon... [17:48] <fake> th: it fails in current builds for me... [17:48] <th> and what about prelink? [17:48] <valentin> fake: /me using stable ppc [17:49] <fake> prelink? you don't want that [17:49] <th> fine [17:49] <fake> valentin: can you do test builds? [17:49] <th> can we dare removing perl? [17:49] <daja77> no [17:49] <valentin> the only ppc i have is my ibook and i would need to free some resources :( [17:49] <th> daja77: why not? [17:50] <fake> no [17:50] <fake> automake needs perl [17:50] <daja77> and coreutils [17:51] Action: fake downloading koffice-i18n again [17:51] <valentin> fake: maybe i can in a few days if noone else is able to do so. but i carry my notebook around all days so running regulary testbuilds will be hard... [17:52] <fake> valentin: i see [17:58] <fake> th: 398396891 is correct for today [17:58] <daja77> did i already mentioned that this package sucks [17:59] <fake> *nodnod* [17:59] <fake> th: remove prelink *usestheforce* [18:02] tfing_ (~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-5-91.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [18:05] <tcr> fake: Yeah, I don't like buildstrap isos. Once they are there, one _tends to_ point people there to use them to build Rock. [18:06] <daja77> tcr: not live cds, meant to be installed and used for building [18:07] <tcr> daja77, That's in some way even more a hassle. :) [18:07] <daja77> huh? [18:07] <fake> tcr: we had a case yesterday where someone wanted exactly that [18:07] <netrunner> https://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/business/9482450.htm [18:08] <netrunner> I really don't think they have the correct focus. [18:08] <tcr> fake: Yeah, I'm not against it, but against what it could become :) I think we agree that the way gentoo does it, sucks badly. [18:08] <daja77> sure :) [18:09] <fake> agreed. [18:18] tfing (~tfing@APoitiers-103-1-2-114.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] Nick change: tfing_ -> tfing [18:18] tcr_ (~tcr@pD9EAB173.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:24] <th> fake: 398396891 was correct on 2004-08-20 and 2004-08-14 too [18:25] <fake> th: interesting. i downloaded it twice on saturday, with the wrong cksum [18:25] <th> fake: prelink is already gone. [18:25] <fake> th: it's still there [18:26] <fake> th: at least in the pkgsel you linked [18:26] <th> fake: current version uploaded. [18:26] <fake> nice ;) [18:32] <fake> 2190 builds total, 2170 completed fine, 20 with errors [18:34] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABEF0.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] <th> removed pdksh from that pkgsel [19:10] <th> could anyone please name the MRA whose name i forgot? [19:12] <daja77> the what? [19:13] <th> mail receive agent [19:13] <th> like fetchmai [19:13] <th> l [19:14] <daja77> oh [19:14] <th> in fact i just need a pop3 client here. [19:15] <th> to inject mails [19:34] <Ragnar0k> good morning [19:34] <daja77> moin Ragnar0k [19:35] <Ragnar0k> how goes? [19:37] <daja77> hm i should go home i think [19:50] BoS^afk (~BoS@dialin-145-254-076-113.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:54] <netrunner> th: mutt fetches mails ... [19:55] <th> netrunner: i searched for "getmail" [19:55] <th> netrunner: which is a MRA while mutt is a MUA [19:56] <netrunner> wrt it's popping ability it's also a mra ;) [19:56] <th> ack [19:57] <th> but i was searching a MRA only. not a MUA. [19:57] <th> well, do be honest i was not precise enough [20:02] <mnemoc> th: i sent a patch (which is applied to trunk) to let portmap live without tcp_wrapper [20:02] <th> mnemoc: do you know of the sm-id? [20:02] <th> mnemoc: i remember about it. [20:03] <mnemoc> w8 [20:03] <th> or even the patch again [20:05] <mnemoc> checkout rock-2,0-mnemoc and diff :p [20:05] <mnemoc> (i'm looking for it) [20:06] <th> mnemoc: ahh right there was that url with your tree. [20:06] <th> mnemoc: was it svn>? [20:06] <th> mnemoc: checking out... [20:07] <th> mnemoc: was the change just in package/base/portmap? [20:07] <th> mnemoc: if so i'll find out by diffing [20:08] <mnemoc> yes :) [20:08] <mnemoc> a .diff and .conf [20:08] <th> fine [20:08] <th> i'll check it [20:08] <mnemoc> 2004072101543001957 [20:09] <mnemoc> that's the id.... my sv would be slooooow to you [20:09] <mnemoc> my svn too [20:18] <th> mnemoc: well i wouldn't need to update often [20:28] <th> mnemoc: Checked out revision 66. [20:29] <mnemoc> that's my 'stable' branch :p [20:29] <th> where does that "-" file in 2.0-stable come from? [20:30] <mnemoc> uhm? what's that file doing there? [20:31] <th> don't know which script "leaks" it... [20:32] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8CBFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:32] <mnemoc> when i finish my class of AI i will check it :p [20:32] <th> mnemoc: thanks [20:33] <mnemoc> i guess it was created with a tar cf - * | tar -C foo -x - (without the 'f') [20:34] <th> i see [20:35] <mnemoc> but who 'svn add' it, i don't know :| [20:35] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D921.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] <th> mnemoc: it's not in svn [20:46] <mnemoc> o_o_O [20:47] <mnemoc> esoty muy lageado [20:47] <mnemoc> oops [20:47] <mnemoc> sorry [20:47] <mnemoc> this screen sis getting crazy [20:51] <mnemoc> who could you get it if it's not on svn?? [20:55] tcr_ (~tcr@pD9EAB173.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:55] <th> mnemoc: i meant the file itself is not in svn [21:07] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAB173.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:11] <daja77> re [21:31] kraftwerk (~alex@212-41-89-196.adsl.solnet.ch) joined #rocklinux. [21:31] <kraftwerk> yes, it's done, i've inserted my rock-cd1 (2.0.1) [21:31] <kraftwerk> booting up... [21:32] <kraftwerk> works! [21:32] <kraftwerk> <ENTER> starts the installation ... ok [21:32] <kraftwerk> ....loading networking modules from this disk... [21:33] <kraftwerk> hm. no 3c95x? [21:33] <daja77> :) [21:33] <daja77> dunno [21:33] <kraftwerk> well, i'll try the 3c509 one. [21:34] <kraftwerk> insmod failed... [21:34] <kraftwerk> insmod failed... again. [21:34] <kraftwerk> "type stone", ok! [21:34] <kraftwerk> hm, nice UI. [21:35] <kraftwerk> 6. install the system! ok [21:35] <kraftwerk> start gasgui, or start gastone? [21:35] <kraftwerk> .... gasgui is recommened, so i try with gastone. [21:35] <daja77> as you like, but guess gasgui is more comfortable [21:36] <kraftwerk> sure? gastone looks very cool... [21:36] <kraftwerk> selecting my own packages, thats what i want! [21:36] <kraftwerk> :D [21:37] <daja77> :) [21:37] <kraftwerk> no space left on device? [21:37] <kraftwerk> hey, thats a 40gb-disk [21:37] <kraftwerk> hm... [21:37] Action: kraftwerk 's checking out... [21:37] <kraftwerk> ouch, he' sstill working on ramdisk! [21:37] <kraftwerk> ok... wait... [21:38] <kraftwerk> is there a command to load my default keymap de_CH? [21:39] <tcr> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/i386/qwertz/$FOO [21:39] <kraftwerk> ... insert IP-adress? ou... i have dhcp [21:39] <kraftwerk> tcr: thank you [21:44] <kraftwerk> gunzip /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz [21:44] <kraftwerk> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map [21:44] <kraftwerk> loadkeys: /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/fr_CH-latin1.map.gz: cannot open iclude file qwertz-layout. [21:45] <kraftwerk> hm, why fr_CH-latin1.map.gz? [21:45] <th> kraftwerk: dont decompress [21:45] <kraftwerk> ok [21:45] <kraftwerk> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz [21:45] <th> kraftwerk: just "loadkeys de_CH-latin1" [21:45] <kraftwerk> ah? [21:45] <kraftwerk> very cool ;-) [21:46] <kraftwerk> loadkeys: /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz: cannot open iclude file qwertz-layout [21:46] <kraftwerk> hm... [21:50] <kraftwerk> hm, i can't laod my keymap! either the "de" keymap. [22:10] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.62) joined #rocklinux. [22:12] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.56) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:15] <kraftwerk> ok, i started "gasgui" and selected my packages, then i choosed <Finish> [22:15] <kraftwerk> but he didn't continue work [22:16] <kraftwerk> /usr/sbin/stone: line 169: /mnt/target/tmp/stone_postinst.sh: No such file or directory [22:16] <kraftwerk> chmod failed to get, etc... [22:16] Action: kraftwerk is going to read the documentation. [22:31] Togg (~sweitzel@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) joined #rocklinux. [22:32] <Togg> *gäähn* [22:32] <daja77> hi Togg [22:32] <Togg> hi, can anyone with rock-linux experience do me a favour? [22:32] <daja77> depends [22:32] <Togg> I need to know if anyone can get to manage to do a arm build [22:32] <Togg> cross-compile [22:32] <Togg> just minimal package selection [22:33] <Togg> i tried and i get severals errors, and I am tierd [22:33] <Togg> so someone added arm target to rocklinux [22:33] <Togg> the one who did should prefferably test if it still works [22:34] <tcr> kraftwerk, Seems to be some severe internal error. Please consider writing to the mailinglist. [22:34] <Togg> I have some patches for glibc / gcc for arm, but it still not works [22:34] <tcr> Togg: Write to the ml as well, methinks. [22:34] <daja77> Togg: 2.1? [22:35] <Togg> booth [22:35] <Togg> tomorrow i will prepare a mail, but i thought someone might have time to try a build :) [22:35] <Togg> an arm / big-endian build [22:36] <daja77> perhaps i'll do, have to setup some things here before doin that [22:36] <Togg> not much, default config and then active cross / arm / big endian [22:40] <Togg> i have just posted the two patches for glibc and gcc : https://nopaste.php.cd/27001 [22:41] <Togg> gcc 3.4 should be used for arm [22:41] anonymous-coward (~nwalsh@shaggy.internode.com.au) got netsplit. [22:41] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) got netsplit. [22:41] rolla (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) got netsplit. [22:41] <daja77> i use it for all 2.1 builds [22:41] <Togg> ah and the target name has to be armeb-linux or such [22:41] <Togg> arm*b*-linux* [22:42] <daja77> huh, why? [22:42] rolla (maisenhe@adsl-66-136-183-237.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) returned to #rocklinux. [22:42] <Togg> for gcc and other programs to recognize as big-endian [22:42] <Togg> during configure e.g. [22:43] <daja77> uh that's dirty, shouldn't depend on teh config name [22:44] <Togg> i dont know exactly, maybe rocklinux does something wrong in the .conf scripts for glibc/binutils/gcc [22:44] <Togg> I am no cross-compile expert [22:44] <Togg> far away from [22:45] anonymous-coward (~nwalsh@shaggy.internode.com.au) returned to #rocklinux. [22:45] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) returned to #rocklinux. [22:46] <Togg> clifford: do u know who introduced the arm target to * ? [22:55] <kraftwerk> W-O-W, i really like rock! it is pretty sweet, like my girlfriend ;-) [22:58] <daja77> hehe [23:14] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAB173.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:17] <daja77> Togg: could you please just put some patch files somewhere, without forcing me to cut'n'paste them? [23:17] <daja77> the next time ... [23:21] <daja77> netrunne1: why not just answering that guy? [23:44] <kraftwerk> how can i install nano with mine? [23:44] <kraftwerk> mine -i nano [23:44] <kraftwerk> =$ [23:44] <kraftwerk> ? [23:44] <daja77> yep using the complete filename [23:44] <kraftwerk> öhhm.. [23:44] <daja77> mine -i nano*gem [23:46] <kraftwerk> While install GEM file nano*gem: No such file or directory [23:46] <kraftwerk> ouhm i'm feeling like an idiot :S [23:46] <kraftwerk> ;-) [23:47] <daja77> you need to have the gem file somewhere of course ... [23:47] <kraftwerk> ... yes ...= [23:47] <kraftwerk> from the disk= [23:47] <kraftwerk> ? [23:48] <daja77> yes [23:48] <kraftwerk> ok... mount the disk and search? or ... a better method? [23:49] <daja77> for n you can skip the first cd ^^ [23:50] <kraftwerk> ok, i'll trying it tomorrow. i'm gonna sleep [23:50] <kraftwerk> good night at all! [23:51] <kraftwerk> and very very thx for the help [23:51] <daja77> n8 kraftwerk [23:51] kraftwerk (~alex@212-41-89-196.adsl.solnet.ch) left irc: "leaving" [00:00] --- Thu Aug 26 2004