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[00:19] <SMP> daja77: can you check if your qt33 installed a broken bin/qmake symlink, too?
[00:20] <daja77> not atm
[00:20] <daja77> i don't have that build anymore :/
[00:21] <SMP> d'oh
[00:21] <daja77> sm recreate is evil ...
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[08:25] <blindy> moin
[08:35] <th> moin
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[09:59] <De_Elsasser> hallo folks
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[10:33] <[anders]> moin
[10:33] <kraftwerk> [anders]: hi
[10:33] <[anders]> lo kraftwerk 
[10:34] Action: [anders] remembers 'Fahren auf den Autobahn' (or something like it...)
[10:35] <kraftwerk> [anders]: lol
[10:36] <kraftwerk> [anders]: i have a question about rock linux 2.0.2. our /topic says that 2.0.2 is released, but i can't find a link to download it! (*.iso)
[10:36] <[anders]> I think I spelled most of it right. not sure if it should be 'den' or 'der' or 'die'
[10:36] <kraftwerk> [anders]: it should be "der" ;-)
[10:37] <[anders]> kraftwerk: uhm.. been a while since I used ROCK (like version 1.5.13 and 1.4.0)
[10:37] <th> kraftwerk: you should checkout the 2.0-stable head
[10:37] <[anders]> there no links from rocklinux.org to the download?
[10:38] <th> kraftwerk: what are you looking for? rock-source or some kind of binary?
[10:38] <kraftwerk> source, but i wan't the iso-images
[10:39] <kraftwerk> source, but i want the iso-images  -- sorry ;-)
[10:39] Action: [anders] makes mental note that Autobahn is male..
[10:39] <th> kraftwerk: source but iso-images?
[10:39] <th> kraftwerk: there are no images in the source
[10:40] <kraftwerk> [anders]: no, "Autobahn" is female ;-) "Die Autobahn" but in the grammatical form of this sentence is the right form "Der Autobahn"... hm german suckt ;-)
[10:40] <th> and there are no binaries for a long time
[10:40] <kraftwerk> th: hm... 
[10:40] <kraftwerk> th: i would build rock linux for me from source
[10:41] <[anders]> kraftwerk: /me is confuddled now.. it should be Die Autobahn, but in the sentence in the song, you'd have to treat it as if it were male..
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[10:41] <th> [anders]: in fact it's the 3rd decline
[10:41] <th> aehm
[10:41] <th> fall
[10:41] <th> case?
[10:41] <th> dunno
[10:42] <th> [anders]: you know about declining in german grammer?
[10:42] <[anders]> th: que-va-what?
[10:42] <th> [anders]: 1st to 4th decline
[10:42] <[anders]> I guess that should be a 'no'..
[10:42] <[anders]> I didn't do too well in german in school..
[10:42] <[anders]> :-)
[10:43] <kraftwerk> th: i'd like to BUILD rock linux. (aren't the sources on the disk?)
[10:43] <th> [anders]: a noun has to be decline (article adoption) for different grammatical forms
[10:43] <th> kraftwerk: there is no disc!
[10:43] <kraftwerk> th: ok...
[10:43] <th> kraftwerk: but there are sources
[10:43] <kraftwerk> th: other possible ways? 
[10:43] <kraftwerk> th: yes the sources but my computers hd is empty
[10:43] <kraftwerk> there is no OS yet.
[10:43] <th> kraftwerk: either get an old binary, or request newer ones and wait some time
[10:44] <dsoul> kraftwerk get old iso
[10:44] <kraftwerk> ok, i take the 2.0.1 iso's.
[10:44] <th> ok
[10:44] <dsoul> update rock-sources
[10:44] Action: th makes a note to release some bianries capable of building.
[10:44] <dsoul> and build own
[10:49] <kraftwerk> ok. is it easy to build rock from the 2.0.1-cd's?
[10:49] <[anders]> kraftwerk: should be
[10:50] <dsoul> yes
[10:50] <kraftwerk> well, i will see ;-)
[10:50] <[anders]> you'd have all you need to do the build
[10:50] <kraftwerk> ok.
[10:50] <dsoul> handbook is very helpfull :)
[10:50] <[anders]> just grab the 2.0.2 build sources, tell it to download the source packages and build them. :)
[10:50] <kraftwerk> yes, i will download it.
[10:51] <kraftwerk> [anders]: ok that's very good.
[10:51] <th> kraftwerk: and do a ./scripts/Update-Src before building
[10:51] <kraftwerk> th: ok thx
[10:51] <[anders]> kraftwerk: compared to when I was using ROCK, things might be a little different, but the basics should be the same. :)
[10:51] <th> kraftwerk: that way you get the most recent sources.
[10:51] <th> you don't need to download 2.0.2 sources separately
[10:52] Action: [anders] been using Debian for the last year or so..
[10:52] <kraftwerk> ok thats cool
[10:52] Action: kraftwerk is using debian, too. but he wants to test something new.
[10:53] <[anders]> last ROCK box I admined was replaced with Debian when the hard-drive died. Had no ROCK install CD's so grabbed the sarge Cd's and used them.
[10:53] <kraftwerk> ok
[10:53] <[anders]> been meaning to take a look at ROCK again.. but need more RAM and faster CPU first
[10:54] <kraftwerk> debian is very big, with many unwanted packages, like python2.1/2.3... so i thought, rock could be the right for me.
[10:54] <dsoul> [anders] you can build on fast box and install on slower
[10:54] <[anders]> dsoul: my fastest box is a 1900+ that currently is dead..
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[10:55] <dsoul> i'm building on c633
[10:55] <dsoul> for c366 laptop :P
[10:55] Action: kraftwerk will build it on a 1.8ghz P4m - processor, with 512mb. hopes it goes faster than gentoo :P
[10:55] <[anders]> it also runs smtp, dns, mysql, apache, samba and a few other bits that _has_ to be there. :)
[10:56] <[anders]> building ROCK on that box would impare the services I run, so not really an option at the moment
[10:56] <kraftwerk> is there some GNUstep support for ROCK?
[10:56] <[anders]> I do have a spare 800MHz Athlon box in Sweden, but can't get to it at the moment..
[10:57] <dsoul> [anders] use nice ;)
[10:57] <[anders]> nice -20 ./scripts/Build all  :-)
[10:58] <dsoul> (;
[10:59] <[anders]> Better to have a separate box for that type stuff..
[11:00] <[anders]> The box in Sweden is a full tower.. and I could use a SCSI tapedrive in that.. Perfect to run all my services on, and do backups etc.
[11:00] <dsoul> :)
[11:01] <[anders]> the box I am fixing up, could take a 3200+ and 2GB RAM plus 2x250GB SATA drives mirrored to run builds and various other stuff on. ;-)
[11:02] <DeElsasser> == 11:01:19 =[0]=> Building base/glibc=glibc23 [2.3.4-2004-05-01 2.1.0-DEV].
[11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
[11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Preparing build in src.glibc23.1093424479.1905.3535334687
[11:02] <DeElsasser> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc23.out
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> [ writing debug log to /home/rock/trunk/src.glibc23.1093 ..
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> create symbolic link `/home/rock/trunk/src.glibc23.10934 ..
[11:02] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ...
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Extracting glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01.tar.bz2 (--use-compres ..
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> Fixing ownership and permissions ...
[11:02] <DeElsasser> !> chown: failed to get attributes of `/home/rock/trunk/src ..
[11:02] <DeElsasser> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc23.out -> 0-glibc23.err
[11:02] <DeElsasser> == 08/25/04 11:01:23 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc23.
[11:02] <DeElsasser> what's this
[11:02] <DeElsasser> hi all
[11:02] <th> DeElsasser: trunk i suppose
[11:02] <[anders]> DeElsasser: a build error
[11:02] <DeElsasser> yes
[11:02] <[anders]> :-)
[11:03] <DeElsasser> dont it work?
[11:03] <th> DeElsasser: perhaps this is a a-bit-too-bleeding-edge for you?
[11:03] <[anders]> ok, from that, it looks like chown failed to find the directory/files to chown
[11:03] <DeElsasser> hm?
[11:03] <th> DeElsasser: what exactly did you do prior to running your build?
[11:04] <[anders]> look in the debug log if there are more details about what chown failed on
[11:04] <th> DeElsasser: are you root?
[11:04] <DeElsasser> no
[11:04] <th> DeElsasser: you must be root to build rock
[11:04] <DeElsasser> it's the same
[11:04] <th> (non root build is on the roadmap)
[11:04] <th> i assume "failed to get attributes" is due to lacking permissions
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[11:07] <DeElsasser> it's the same and I can't find "0-glibc23.err"
[11:07] <th> src.gl*/R.src/ERROR-LOG
[11:10] <th> DeElsasser: is your build/*/root/var/adm/logs/ empty?
[11:11] <DeElsasser> th: no I have it
[11:12] <[anders]> if you have sudo set up on your build box, you can run the build-script via sudo..
[11:13] <[anders]> easier to su - to root and run the build that way as there are always something you need to check out that required root permissions...
[11:17] <tcr> hey [anders]. How are you?
[11:18] <[anders]> lo tcr.. I am alright, you?
[11:18] <tcr> Had to have a haircut yesterday.. :-/
[11:19] Action: [anders] is going for coffee - biab.. :)
[11:19] <tcr> I had hairs roughly to my chest... now just enough to still have a small ponytail. I feel so impotent ;)
[11:20] <kraftwerk> rofl 
[11:20] <kraftwerk> ;-)
[11:22] <clifford> tcr: military service?
[11:22] <tcr> clifford, Nope, diagnosed loss of hair when I'm 30.
[11:23] <th> clifford: have a second to talk abour scripts/functions:get_unique() ?
[11:23] <clifford> I'm already losing my hair - but I'd do anyways (as every men in my family)
[11:23] <clifford> th: yep.
[11:23] <th> clifford: it depends on ifconfig a bit to hard i think
[11:24] <th> get_unique() {
[11:24] <th>     date "+%s.$$.`/sbin/ifconfig -a | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`"
[11:24] <th> }
[11:24] <th> how about the following:
[11:24] <th> get_unique() {
[11:24] <th>         uniqueness_cmd="/sbin/ifconfig -a"
[11:24] <th>         [ ! -x /sbin/ifconfig ] && uniqueness_cmd="/sbin/ip a"
[11:24] <th>         date "+%s.$$.`$uniqueness_cmd | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`"
[11:24] <th> }
[11:24] <th> it would at least offer same service when there is no ifconfig
[11:25] <tcr> clifford, Yeah, it'll happen for me anyway. I'm losing hairs already either, but I am notably younger than you last I checked. :P
[11:25] <clifford> how about "{ /sbin/ifconfig -a; /sbin/ip a; } 2>&1"
[11:25] <clifford> tcr: how old are you?
[11:26] <th> clifford: how about set -e?
[11:26] <tcr> clifford, too young for losing hairs.. born '87
[11:27] <th> clifford: perhaps some || /bin/true added?
[11:27] <clifford> th: doesn't come thru a command substitution
[11:27] <th> clifford: but it's ugly
[11:27] <th> clifford: ahh isee
[11:28] <clifford> tcr: ok - you are to young to lose hair.
[11:28] <th> i like the test -x a bit more
[11:29] <th> clifford: anyhow it should go upstream first and merged back to 2.0
[11:29] <th> clifford: would you fix this in trunk?
[11:44] <clifford> yup. unfortunately I can't connect to my box at home right now...
[11:45] <clifford> I'll send myself a mail about it and implement it today evening.
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[11:50] <th> clifford: great - thanks.
[12:14] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^afk
[12:28] <[anders]> aaah.. nice cup of espresso.. makes one wake up properly
[12:30] Action: daja77 having coffee too
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[13:38] <th> does anyone know of a mirror of http://capi4linux.thepenguin.de/. the site is down and i need the capi4linux files
[13:40] <th> ahh. ftp.in-berlin.de - thanks!
[13:41] <daja77> :D
[14:20] <daja77> this damn kde-i18n package >_<
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[14:21] <daja77> koffice--i18n
[14:21] <daja77> we should just set the cksum to zero and accept any package >_<
[14:22] <th> daja77: i asked you for a ack on a cksum two times.
[14:23] <th> daja77: it was the same cksum both times
[14:23] <th> daja77: i think we could use taht cksum
[14:24] <daja77> yeah i just saw that the cksum patch for 2.1 is not applied yet, that's why it makes trouble
[14:24] <daja77> th: i'll prepare and test yet another kde 3.2.3 security fix for 2.0
[14:24] <th> daja77: fine.
[14:24] <th> daja77: i should release some binary soon...
[14:25] <daja77> indeed
[14:25] <th> daja77: we need a small iso that is suitable for building 2.0
[14:25] <th> daja77: i think about releasing a generic build with minimal package selection
[14:25] <daja77> yep and a huge one to have a usable desktop system again
[14:26] <th> and i'm not talking of the minum pkgsel thats currently in
[14:26] <th> daja77: the desktop target should do that
[14:26] <daja77> yep
[14:26] <th> in fact i'm using desktop target builds all over here..
[14:26] <th> 5 machines or so
[14:27] <daja77> desktop generic whatever, it should have less bugs than 2.0.1 and 2.0.2 that's all i need atm :)
[14:28] <th> yes
[14:28] <th> would you help me releasing some minmal binary?
[14:28] <th> i would need you to test the installation prgress
[14:28] <daja77> yep
[14:28] <daja77> if testing in qemu is fine for you too
[14:29] <th> ok. so i would send you my proposal for a minimal pkgsel for building rock
[14:29] <th> should be no problem
[14:29] <daja77> that would be nice
[14:29] <daja77> the build could take a bit longer since i plan to run 2.1 builds at the same time
[14:30] <th> ok
[14:31] <daja77> need it to get some hppa things done, which won't work with 2.0
[14:32] <th> daja77: i think there should be at least about 10 packages or more we can and should drop in that pkgsel
[14:32] <daja77> the desktop one?
[14:33] <th> the minmal one
[14:33] <daja77> i'd like to have the nvidia package in
[14:33] <th> daja77: http://thzn.de/rock/
[14:34] <daja77> to be honest i think minimal package selection is not a good name and no goal that can be achieved reasonable
[14:34] <th> daja77: the name for the pkgsel i'm talking about is still to be considered
[14:35] <th> daja77: suggestions?
[14:35] <daja77> oh mom
[14:36] <daja77> erh replacing bdb41 by 42?
[14:37] <th> daja77: we would loose default links
[14:37] <daja77> ah that should be the required selection to compile rock hm
[14:37] <th> daja77: compare 41.conf and 42.conf
[14:38] <daja77> what about nfs?
[14:38] <th> daja77: yes. i'm only talking about a pkgsel providing the bare necessity for building
[14:38] <th> daja77: what do you need to do nfs?
[14:38] <th> daja77: talking of nfs server?
[14:39] <daja77> you need it to mount nfs shares where packages are provided, you need it for cross-native compile and stuff
[14:39] <daja77> no i meant client
[14:39] <daja77> server would be nice too
[14:40] <daja77> and for cluster builds
[14:40] <th> daja77: i know what i need nfs for. i asked what you need to do nfs
[14:40] <daja77> oops git you wrong
[14:40] <th> daja77: you have "mount" you have nfs enabled kernel if you want.
[14:40] <th> where is the problem?
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[14:42] <daja77> I'll have a look ...
[14:46] <daja77> nfs-utils
[14:47] <th> daja77: thats for exporting only, isn't it?
[14:47] <th> and lockd
[14:47] <daja77> it is, can be very useful in a build environment 
[14:48] <th> ok. so add it
[14:48] <daja77> you'll commit it?
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[15:10] <daja77> wb De_Elsasser 
[15:20] <th> grmpf - re
[15:20] <th> daja77: yes i'll commit pkgsels.. but we need a good name for them
[15:20] <daja77> rock-kickstart ;)
[15:21] <th> daja77: (sorry my line is dead. i'm on isdn backup now.)
[15:21] <th> kickstart hmm...
[15:21] <th> bootstrap
[15:21] <th> buildstrap
[15:21] <daja77> yeah
[15:21] <th> build-bootstrap.in?
[15:22] <daja77> yes sounds ok
[15:22] <th> daja77: ok. so please take a 2nd look at the pkgsel. add your nfs-utils and find few other improvements.
[15:23] <th> then we should commit it; build it; and release it in binary form
[15:23] <daja77> ok
[15:27] <daja77> th: habt ihr die bagger in der stadt oder warum geht halb md offline?
[15:27] <th> daja77: wer is noch offline?
[15:27] <th> daja77: ines?
[15:27] <daja77> die uni
[15:27] <th> ohh
[15:28] <daja77> kann aber an derem umzug liegen
[15:28] <th> daja77: die fin lebt
[15:28] <daja77> ;)
[15:28] <th> daja77: naja - kind of...
[15:28] <th> daja77: naja nein - sie ist ziemlich tot
[15:28] <daja77> ic
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[16:08] <mnemoc> moin
[16:08] <daja77> moin mnemoc 
[16:09] <mnemoc> moin daja77 
[16:14] <daja77> it takes ages to build mozilla
[16:15] <daja77> mnemoc: do you like that new package selection name and the selection itself?
[16:15] <mnemoc> i don't know the _new_ pkgsel :\
[16:16] <daja77> http://thzn.de/rock/ + nfs-utils
[16:16] Action: mnemoc think he has to try 2.1 someday
[16:16] <mnemoc> let's see
[16:16] <daja77> this is for 2.0 even :)
[16:17] <mnemoc> uhm? what do you mean by new then?
[16:18] <daja77> we don't call it minimal
[16:18] <daja77> because that makes no sense
[16:18] <mnemoc> aa... the template
[16:18] <mnemoc> i think 'base' is more proper
[16:20] <daja77> we'll call it rock-build-bootstrap, cos that fits best i think
[16:20] <daja77> you could argue about base or not base the same way like arguing about minimal
[16:21] <daja77> what do you think?
[16:21] Action: mnemoc reading
[16:23] <mnemoc> ash? gnupg? mmv? talk?
[16:23] <mnemoc> nssdb??!!
[16:24] <daja77> to add or to remove?
[16:24] <mnemoc> to _please_remove_that_crap_from_build_bootstrap_
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[16:25] <madtux> hi
[16:31] <mnemoc> hi baby-tux :)
[16:31] <madtux> hello mny-chan
[16:32] <th> mnemoc: yea - we shoudl remove ash, gnupg, mmv and talk
[16:33] <th> daja77: do you maintain the pkgsel before commitment?
[16:34] <th> daja77: else i could just adapt the online version
[16:34] <mnemoc> nssdb makes any machine without bdb33 _crash_
[16:35] <th> mnemoc: under what conditions?
[16:37] <mnemoc> a bdb 'hard linked' to glibc makes anything using a different version of bdb segfault
[16:38] <mnemoc> nssdb creates that 'hard link'
[16:38] <th> where is that link?
[16:38] <mnemoc> glibc <-> nss -> nssdb -> bdb33
[16:39] <th> mnemoc: how can i reproduce the "crash" you are talking of?
[16:39] <mnemoc> i don't mean 'filesystem hardlink' just a semantic 'hard link'
[16:39] <th> mnemoc: in fact all my desktops here have nssdb and bdb33 isntalled
[16:40] <mnemoc> build... php against bdb4x, or subversion, or any other package which need bdb
[16:41] <th> mnemoc: i think i had nssdb already dropped and added it back into, cause there was some trouble i forget about
[16:41] <th> s,forget,forgot,
[16:41] <mnemoc> i even vote for _dropping_ nssdb from 2.1
[16:42] <daja77> th: maintain what? /me puzzled
[16:42] <th> daja77: forget about it.
[16:42] <daja77> ok
[16:42] <th> daja77: i just meant collecting the ideas
[16:42] <daja77> ok
[16:42] <th> daja77: and gathering it all together
[16:42] <th> daja77: but i'll do it
[16:42] <daja77> :)
[16:43] <th> i think we don't need rsh and routed either, do we?
[16:43] <daja77> nope
[16:43] <th> telnet could be of help 
[16:43] <th> do diagnose network trouble
[16:43] <daja77> yep
[16:44] <th> what about prelink?
[16:44] <daja77> hm ...
[16:44] <th> setserial
[16:44] <mnemoc> modems?
[16:45] <th> for building rock?
[16:45] <mnemoc> :p
[16:45] <mnemoc> telnet for building rock?
[16:45] <th> mnemoc: for network diagnostics 
[16:45] <th> mnemoc: yes - for building rock.
[16:46] <th> mnemoc: imagine you want to get sources from somewhere
[16:46] <th> mnemoc: and want to check whether some httpd / ftpd is alive
[16:46] <th> what about "gperf" and "disktype"
[16:46] <mnemoc> disktype is needed by stone install
[16:46] <th> ok
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[16:48] <th> daja77: did you already start the minimal  build?
[16:48] <daja77> no
[16:48] <th> good
[16:50] <th> http://thzn.de/rock/build-bootstrap.in
[16:50] <th> have a look again
[16:53] <daja77> mom
[16:55] <mnemoc> why bdb33?
[16:56] <daja77> hm the rest looks ok so far
[16:56] Action: mnemoc rewinding.... what is this pkgsel for? replace stage-1? or some kind of build-cd?
[16:57] <mnemoc> indent?
[16:57] <mnemoc> s/lynx/links/
[16:57] <daja77> to have a small system rock can be built from that
[16:58] <daja77> btw do we want to have disc rescue tools in it?
[16:58] <mnemoc> a kind of 'base' then
[16:59] <th> mnemoc: i want to release some binaries that should enable people to build rock on
[16:59] <th> mnemoc: some sort of "bootstrap"
[17:00] <mnemoc> man-pages is junk then
[17:00] <th> removed indent
[17:01] <mnemoc> what about tcp_wrappers? 
[17:01] <th> removed tcp_wrappers
[17:02] <th> removed man-pages
[17:02] Action: daja77 now testing new kdelibs patch
[17:02] <th> mnemoc: are you sure we can live without bdb33?
[17:02] <daja77> will take hours ...
[17:03] <mnemoc> i don't have bdb33 in any machine ,)
[17:04] <th> mnemoc: i'll sue you for regessions ;-]
[17:04] <th> what about "acl"?
[17:04] <th> and "at"
[17:04] <daja77> acl is for ext3
[17:04] <daja77> at is somewhat base afaik
[17:04] <th> at is just the atd and it's clients
[17:05] <mnemoc> i don't have acl neither
[17:05] <th> oh. we can remove "dump" hmm?
[17:05] <mnemoc> if it's bootstrap only, yes
[17:07] <th> updated the online version once again
[17:08] <mnemoc> s/lynx/links/  s/telnet/netcat/ ?
[17:08] <daja77> th: will you send this upstream for 2.1 too?
[17:08] <th> daja77: i see no reason in not doing so
[17:08] <mnemoc> this pkgsel doesn't use '2.1-forks'
[17:08] <th> daja77: in fact, i think i will send it to sm first
[17:08] <daja77> me neither, i just want to know if you do it ;)
[17:09] <daja77> it was on 2.1 roadmap anyway
[17:09] <mnemoc> th: what about adding the nice pstree?
[17:10] <th> pstree? is that something like "ps -axfo user,pid,cmd"?
[17:10] <mnemoc> - uudeview?
[17:10] <mnemoc> similar but nicer
[17:12] <th> removed uudeview
[17:13] <th> added psmisc
[17:13] <th> hmmm
[17:13] <th> osmisc is already in. so we already have pstree
[17:13] <th> s,os,ps,
[17:13] <mnemoc> :)
[17:14] <th> netcat added
[17:14] <th> telnet removed
[17:14] <th> new version online
[17:14] <th> mailx?
[17:15] <th> minicom?
[17:15] <fake> moin
[17:15] <th> moin fake
[17:16] <mnemoc> minicom<->setserial
[17:16] <mnemoc> if your build machine will connect via modem, yes
[17:17] <mnemoc> in that case remember pcmcia-cs and wireless-tools
[17:17] <daja77> minicom is nice, could be used to control hppa machines or others
[17:17] <fake> what are you talking about?
[17:17] Action: fake too lazy to read backlog
[17:17] <th> fake: a pkgsel 
[17:17] <mnemoc> fake: a 'bootstrap' pkgsel th is doing
[17:18] <th> fake: we need to release binaries
[17:18] <fake> a 'real' minimal ? ;)
[17:18] <daja77> no
[17:18] <daja77> a real minimal is stupid
[17:18] <fake> stupid is a real minimal
[17:18] <daja77> kernel + bash, that's minimal ^^
[17:18] <th> fake: i want to have binaries that people can download and build rock with
[17:18] <fake> ah, ok
[17:18] <mnemoc> daja77: bash-static?
[17:18] <fake> we talked about that
[17:18] <th> fake: did we?
[17:18] <daja77> mnemoc: erhm yes :)
[17:18] <fake> didn't we?
[17:19] <fake> someone was against it, tcr i guess
[17:19] <th> fake: ahh - that talk..
[17:19] <fake> jep
[17:19] <daja77> *shrug* who cares
[17:19] <fake> th: ref finished
[17:19] <th> fake: cool
[17:19] <daja77> if tcr doesn't want to use it, it is perfectly fine with me
[17:20] <fake> 2190 builds total, 2168 completed fine, 22 with errors.
[17:20] <th> added setserial again
[17:20] <th> fake: list some of the 22 i don't know of
[17:20] <daja77> sounds hard :)
[17:20] <th> daja77: what you mean?
[17:20] <fake> that would be 2xkoffice-i18n (checksum error)
[17:21] <th> fake: do you think we can change cksum to 0?
[17:21] <th> fake: or should we give a correct cksum a try again?
[17:21] <fake> th: has it changed so often?
[17:21] Action: mnemoc have to go... cu
[17:21] <fake> cu mnemoc!
[17:21] <daja77> cu mnemoc 
[17:21] <daja77> and thx
[17:21] <th> mnemoc: yea - thanks - cya
[17:22] <th> fake: have a look at http://thzn.de/rock/build-bootstrap.in
[17:22] <th> fake: that's the pkgsel we are currently talking about.
[17:22] <fake> # ROCK Linux: rock-src/misc/pkgsel/minimal.in
[17:22] <th> fake: propose changes.
[17:22] <fake> hehe
[17:22] <th> fake: still old ;)
[17:23] <th> fake: Create-Copy-Patch should fix that ;>
[17:24] <fake> th: that pksel will only work reliably for x86
[17:25] <th> fake: should i rename it to build-bootstrap-x86.in ?
[17:25] <th> ;-]
[17:26] <fake> th: portmap needs tcp_wrappers
[17:26] <th> i see
[17:26] <th> mnemoc: tcp_wrappers readded
[17:27] <fake> th: you could group out bin86, nasm and grub and disable architecture specific bootloaders below
[17:27] <fake> *enable
[17:27] <th> fake: can you send patch?
[17:28] <th> fake: or gimme detailed instructions? ;->
[17:29] <fake> th: see the bootdisk pkgsel.in
[17:30] <fake> in target/bootdisk/default.pkgsel (or so)
[17:33] <th> target/bootdisk/config.in, i suppose
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[17:36] <spisaacs> Hi, yesterday I discovered ROCK Linux and need to ask a guru a question. I am currently working on an embedded project which will boot from compact flash. Can ROCK be installed on a compact flash?
[17:37] <th> spisaacs: in fact i have some rock rescue systems on CF on servers
[17:37] <th> spisaacs: (with ide adapter)
[17:37] Action: fake installed a soekris engineering board once
[17:40] <th> fake: do we need lilo if we have grub?
[17:40] <fake> th: no
[17:40] <spisaacs> hmm.... I would like to use an USB interface to initialize the compact flash.
[17:40] <th> fake: do we need aboot twice as in bootdisk?
[17:40] <th> ;-]
[17:40] <fake> th: koffice-i18n checksum is 171886703 for me, can you copy that?
[17:41] <fake> spisaacs: usb card reader, i assume
[17:41] <th> fake: 398396891
[17:42] <fake> *sigh*
[17:42] <fake> th: from what mirror?
[17:42] <th> ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.3.1/src/koffice-i18n-1.3.1.tar.bz2
[17:42] <th> wget -O - ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/koffice-1.3.1/src/koffice-i18n-1.3.1.tar.bz2 | bzip2 -dc|cksum
[17:43] <spisaacs> (sorry I start this conversation and the phone rings -- twice) Yes, a USB card reader. I've done this before with some fancy script foot work but am wondering if ROCK has it or if I would have to build a script again.
[17:44] <fake> spisaacs: what do you expect?
[17:44] <th> spisaacs: plug your CF and cardreader, then create a filesystem on it, mount it, copy some files
[17:45] <th> fake: have a look at the pkgsel again
[17:45] <fake> th: jop
[17:46] <fake> linux24benh - KICK IT
[17:46] <th> fake: done.
[17:46] <th> fake: should i remove it too?
[17:46] <spisaacs> th: fake: Well, not that big a deal. I can do that. Thanks.
[17:46] <fake> you're welcome ;)
[17:47] <fake> th: does it still compile?
[17:47] <fake> noone testing stable ppc...
[17:47] <th> fake: that's gone with rene i suppose.
[17:48] <th> fake: can we remove pdksh?
[17:48] <fake> i will get a new world mac sometime soon...
[17:48] <fake> th: it fails in current builds for me...
[17:48] <th> and what about prelink?
[17:48] <valentin> fake: /me using stable ppc
[17:49] <fake> prelink? you don't want that
[17:49] <th> fine
[17:49] <fake> valentin: can you do test builds?
[17:49] <th> can we dare removing perl?
[17:49] <daja77> no
[17:49] <valentin> the only ppc i have is my ibook and i would need to free some resources :(
[17:49] <th> daja77: why not?
[17:50] <fake> no
[17:50] <fake> automake needs perl
[17:50] <daja77> and coreutils
[17:51] Action: fake downloading koffice-i18n again
[17:51] <valentin> fake: maybe i can in a few days if noone else is able to do so. but i carry my notebook around all days so running regulary testbuilds will be hard...
[17:52] <fake> valentin: i see
[17:58] <fake> th: 398396891 is correct for today
[17:58] <daja77> did i already mentioned that this package sucks
[17:59] <fake> *nodnod*
[17:59] <fake> th: remove prelink *usestheforce*
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[18:05] <tcr> fake: Yeah, I don't like buildstrap isos. Once they are there, one _tends to_ point people there to use them to build Rock.
[18:06] <daja77> tcr: not live cds, meant to be installed and used for building 
[18:07] <tcr> daja77, That's in some way even more a hassle. :) 
[18:07] <daja77> huh?
[18:07] <fake> tcr: we had a case yesterday where someone wanted exactly that
[18:07] <netrunner> http://www.belleville.com/mld/belleville/business/9482450.htm
[18:08] <netrunner> I really don't think they have the correct focus. 
[18:08] <tcr> fake: Yeah, I'm not against it, but against what it could become :) I think we agree that the way gentoo does it, sucks badly. 
[18:08] <daja77> sure :)
[18:09] <fake> agreed.
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[18:24] <th> fake: 398396891 was correct on 2004-08-20 and 2004-08-14 too
[18:25] <fake> th: interesting. i downloaded it twice on saturday, with the wrong cksum
[18:25] <th> fake: prelink is already gone.
[18:25] <fake> th: it's still there
[18:26] <fake> th: at least in the pkgsel you linked
[18:26] <th> fake: current version uploaded.
[18:26] <fake> nice ;)
[18:32] <fake> 2190 builds total, 2170 completed fine, 20 with errors
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[18:44] <th> removed pdksh from that pkgsel
[19:10] <th> could anyone please name the MRA whose name i forgot?
[19:12] <daja77> the what?
[19:13] <th> mail receive agent
[19:13] <th> like fetchmai
[19:13] <th> l
[19:14] <daja77> oh
[19:14] <th> in fact i just need a pop3 client here.
[19:15] <th> to inject mails
[19:34] <Ragnar0k> good morning
[19:34] <daja77> moin Ragnar0k 
[19:35] <Ragnar0k> how goes?
[19:37] <daja77> hm i should go home i think
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[19:54] <netrunner> th: mutt fetches mails ...
[19:55] <th> netrunner: i searched for "getmail"
[19:55] <th> netrunner: which is a MRA while mutt is a MUA
[19:56] <netrunner> wrt it's popping ability it's also a mra ;)
[19:56] <th> ack
[19:57] <th> but i was searching a MRA only. not a MUA.
[19:57] <th> well, do be honest i was not precise enough
[20:02] <mnemoc> th: i sent a patch (which is applied to trunk) to let portmap live without tcp_wrapper
[20:02] <th> mnemoc: do you know of the sm-id?
[20:02] <th> mnemoc: i remember about it.
[20:03] <mnemoc> w8
[20:03] <th> or even the patch again
[20:05] <mnemoc> checkout rock-2,0-mnemoc and diff :p
[20:05] <mnemoc> (i'm looking for it)
[20:06] <th> mnemoc: ahh right there was that url with your tree.
[20:06] <th> mnemoc: was it svn>?
[20:06] <th> mnemoc: checking out...
[20:07] <th> mnemoc: was the change just in package/base/portmap?
[20:07] <th> mnemoc: if so i'll find out by diffing
[20:08] <mnemoc> yes :)
[20:08] <mnemoc> a .diff and .conf
[20:08] <th> fine
[20:08] <th> i'll check it
[20:08] <mnemoc> 2004072101543001957
[20:09] <mnemoc> that's the id.... my sv would be slooooow to you
[20:09] <mnemoc> my svn too
[20:18] <th> mnemoc: well i wouldn't need to update often
[20:28] <th> mnemoc: Checked out revision 66.
[20:29] <mnemoc> that's my 'stable' branch :p
[20:29] <th> where does that "-" file in 2.0-stable come from?
[20:30] <mnemoc> uhm? what's that file doing there?
[20:31] <th> don't know which script "leaks" it...
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[20:32] <mnemoc> when i finish my class of AI i will check it :p
[20:32] <th> mnemoc: thanks
[20:33] <mnemoc> i guess it was created with a tar cf - * | tar -C foo -x - (without the 'f')
[20:34] <th> i see
[20:35] <mnemoc> but who 'svn add' it, i don't know :|
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[20:39] <th> mnemoc: it's not in svn
[20:46] <mnemoc> o_o_O
[20:47] <mnemoc> esoty muy lageado
[20:47] <mnemoc> oops
[20:47] <mnemoc> sorry
[20:47] <mnemoc> this screen sis getting crazy
[20:51] <mnemoc> who could you get it if it's not on svn??
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[20:55] <th> mnemoc: i meant the file itself is not in svn
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[21:11] <daja77> re
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[21:31] <kraftwerk> yes, it's done, i've inserted my rock-cd1 (2.0.1)
[21:31] <kraftwerk> booting up...
[21:32] <kraftwerk> works!
[21:32] <kraftwerk> <ENTER> starts the installation ... ok
[21:32] <kraftwerk> ....loading networking modules from this disk...
[21:33] <kraftwerk> hm. no 3c95x?
[21:33] <daja77> :)
[21:33] <daja77> dunno
[21:33] <kraftwerk> well, i'll try the 3c509 one.
[21:34] <kraftwerk> insmod failed...
[21:34] <kraftwerk> insmod failed... again.
[21:34] <kraftwerk> "type stone", ok!
[21:34] <kraftwerk> hm, nice UI.
[21:35] <kraftwerk> 6. install the system! ok
[21:35] <kraftwerk> start gasgui, or start gastone?
[21:35] <kraftwerk> .... gasgui is recommened, so i try with gastone.
[21:35] <daja77> as you like, but guess gasgui is more comfortable
[21:36] <kraftwerk> sure? gastone looks very cool...
[21:36] <kraftwerk> selecting my own packages, thats what i want!
[21:36] <kraftwerk> :D
[21:37] <daja77> :)
[21:37] <kraftwerk> no space left on device?
[21:37] <kraftwerk> hey, thats a 40gb-disk
[21:37] <kraftwerk> hm...
[21:37] Action: kraftwerk 's checking out...
[21:37] <kraftwerk> ouch, he' sstill working on ramdisk!
[21:37] <kraftwerk> ok... wait...
[21:38] <kraftwerk> is there a command to load my default keymap de_CH?
[21:39] <tcr> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/i386/qwertz/$FOO
[21:39] <kraftwerk> ... insert IP-adress? ou... i have dhcp
[21:39] <kraftwerk> tcr: thank you
[21:44] <kraftwerk> gunzip /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz
[21:44] <kraftwerk> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map
[21:44] <kraftwerk> loadkeys: /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/fr_CH-latin1.map.gz: cannot open iclude file qwertz-layout.
[21:45] <kraftwerk> hm, why fr_CH-latin1.map.gz?
[21:45] <th> kraftwerk: dont decompress
[21:45] <kraftwerk> ok
[21:45] <kraftwerk> loadkeys /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz
[21:45] <th> kraftwerk: just "loadkeys de_CH-latin1"
[21:45] <kraftwerk> ah?
[21:45] <kraftwerk> very cool ;-)
[21:46] <kraftwerk> loadkeys: /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwertz/de_CH-latin1.map.gz: cannot open iclude file qwertz-layout
[21:46] <kraftwerk> hm...
[21:50] <kraftwerk> hm, i can't laod my keymap! either the "de" keymap.
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[22:15] <kraftwerk> ok, i started "gasgui" and selected my packages, then i choosed <Finish>
[22:15] <kraftwerk> but he didn't continue work 
[22:16] <kraftwerk> /usr/sbin/stone: line 169: /mnt/target/tmp/stone_postinst.sh: No such file or directory
[22:16] <kraftwerk> chmod failed to get, etc...
[22:16] Action: kraftwerk is going to read the documentation.
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[22:32] <Togg> *gäähn*
[22:32] <daja77> hi Togg 
[22:32] <Togg> hi, can anyone with rock-linux experience do me a favour?
[22:32] <daja77> depends
[22:32] <Togg> I need to know if anyone can get to manage to do a arm build
[22:32] <Togg> cross-compile
[22:32] <Togg> just minimal package selection
[22:33] <Togg> i tried and i get severals errors, and I am tierd
[22:33] <Togg> so someone added arm target to rocklinux
[22:33] <Togg> the one who did should prefferably test if it still works
[22:34] <tcr> kraftwerk, Seems to be some severe internal error. Please consider writing to the mailinglist.
[22:34] <Togg> I have some patches for glibc / gcc for arm, but it still not works
[22:34] <tcr> Togg: Write to the ml as well, methinks.
[22:34] <daja77> Togg: 2.1?
[22:35] <Togg> booth
[22:35] <Togg> tomorrow i will prepare a mail, but i thought someone might have time to try a build :)
[22:35] <Togg> an arm / big-endian build
[22:36] <daja77> perhaps i'll do, have to setup some things here before doin that
[22:36] <Togg> not much, default config and then active cross / arm / big endian
[22:40] <Togg> i have just posted the two patches for glibc and gcc : http://nopaste.php.cd/27001
[22:41] <Togg> gcc 3.4 should be used for arm
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[22:41] <daja77> i use it for all 2.1 builds
[22:41] <Togg> ah and the target name has to be armeb-linux or such
[22:41] <Togg> arm*b*-linux*
[22:42] <daja77> huh, why?
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[22:42] <Togg> for gcc and other programs to recognize as big-endian
[22:42] <Togg> during configure e.g.
[22:43] <daja77> uh that's dirty, shouldn't depend on teh config name
[22:44] <Togg> i dont know exactly, maybe rocklinux does something wrong in the .conf scripts for glibc/binutils/gcc
[22:44] <Togg> I am no cross-compile expert 
[22:44] <Togg> far away from
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[22:46] <Togg> clifford: do u know who introduced the arm target to * ?
[22:55] <kraftwerk> W-O-W, i really like rock! it is pretty sweet, like my girlfriend ;-)
[22:58] <daja77> hehe
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[23:17] <daja77> Togg: could you please just put some patch files somewhere, without forcing me to cut'n'paste them?
[23:17] <daja77> the next time ...
[23:21] <daja77> netrunne1: why not just answering that guy?
[23:44] <kraftwerk> how can i install nano with mine?
[23:44] <kraftwerk> mine -i nano
[23:44] <kraftwerk> =$
[23:44] <kraftwerk> ?
[23:44] <daja77> yep using the complete filename
[23:44] <kraftwerk> öhhm..
[23:44] <daja77> mine -i nano*gem
[23:46] <kraftwerk> While install GEM file nano*gem: No such file or directory
[23:46] <kraftwerk> ouhm i'm feeling like an idiot :S
[23:46] <kraftwerk> ;-)
[23:47] <daja77> you need to have the gem file somewhere of course ...
[23:47] <kraftwerk> ... yes ...=
[23:47] <kraftwerk> from the disk=
[23:47] <kraftwerk> ?
[23:48] <daja77> yes 
[23:48] <kraftwerk> ok... mount the disk and search? or ... a better method?
[23:49] <daja77> for n you can skip the first cd ^^
[23:50] <kraftwerk> ok, i'll trying it tomorrow. i'm gonna sleep
[23:50] <kraftwerk> good night at all!
[23:51] <kraftwerk> and very very thx for the help
[23:51] <daja77> n8 kraftwerk 
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