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[00:32] <Ragnar0k> rehi
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[00:56] <demian> hi
[00:57] <demian> have u ever redirected a port in a linksys router?
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[04:22] <fake> Togg: are you still here?
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[08:21] <Togg> moin @all
[08:22] <Togg> sorry fake I am working so I cant play with * till 4 o'clock :)
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[08:54] <madtux> yo
[09:06] <blindy> moin
[09:32] <madtux> blindy boy!
[09:33] <madtux> happy late birthday my friend
[09:33] <madtux> hope u got my mail on the 21st
[09:34] <blindy> madtux: hi! happy late birthday to you, too!
[09:34] <blindy> yeah I got it, but couldn't reply
[09:34] <blindy> more than busy with moving from Ingolstadt to Berlin
[09:36] <madtux> blindy, thats fine.. i wasn;t expecting a reply anyways :)
[09:36] <madtux> brb
[09:39] <blindy> today the carpet fitters will do their job (in ~1h) and Saturday evening I'm flying back to Ingolstadt to dismantle my old room and move it to Berlin
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[10:28] <clifford> Aaaaaarg! Fucking wondershaper!
[10:28] <daja77> hm?
[10:29] <clifford> I've started wondershaper on my box at home over xDSL, and now it's GONE !!
[10:30] <daja77> wtf is wondershaper?
[10:38] <clifford> it's a quick&dirty tc (QoS) script.
[10:38] <clifford> my check-network cron job has just removed all that crap and restarted my internet connection - good.
[10:39] Action: clifford likes self-repairing systems.  ;-)
[10:39] <daja77> vtw hi clifford :)
[10:39] <daja77> sigh too less coffee to type
[10:39] <clifford> hi daja, btw.  ;-)
[10:49] Action: daja77 copying 2.1 download dir to his build machine atm
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[12:09] <Togg> daja77: youre going to build an arm cross target? :)
[12:58] <daja77> not yet, sorry I felt asleep before i copied the download dir to that machine
[12:59] <daja77> but can start in some minutes
[13:08] <Togg> would be cool to share the problems :)
[13:08] <th> anyone able to introduce me to /etc/rc.d/rcX.d?
[13:09] <th> i really dislike some stone mods :-/
[13:10] <th> the functions in there are too much bonded to gui
[13:20] <daja77> Togg: what was that config name again?
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[13:30] <daja77> Togg: ping
[13:39] <Togg> ping
[13:39] <Togg> sorry i was working
[13:39] <Togg> arm*b*-linux*
[13:39] <Togg> e.g. armeb-linux
[13:40] <daja77> yeah, which cpu optimization and architecture did you use
[13:40] <Togg> generic arm cpu
[13:40] <Togg> arch = arm
[13:40] <Togg> big endian
[13:41] <daja77> there is an additional field for architecture ...
[13:42] <Togg> i look
[13:42] <Togg> generic
[13:43] <daja77> ok
[13:43] <Togg> i think this is easier
[13:43] <Togg> in fact i want to build for cpu=xscale which has march=armv5te
[13:43] <daja77> you patch is for glibc-2.3.2, trunk uses glibc-2.3.4-CVS
[13:43] <Togg> it works either
[13:43] <Togg> without it i got the error
[13:44] <daja77> i could set the variables to xscale then
[13:44] <daja77> just updating kernel to 2.6.8.1 before
[13:46] <Togg> as u like
[13:46] <Togg> kernel 2.6.8.1 has integraded arm/ixp425 support
[13:46] <Togg> for 2.4.x kernels u needed uclinux patches
[13:46] <Togg> but kernel is not the problem I think :)
[13:48] <daja77> will use 2.6 kernel and 2.4 headers as i did for hppa crossbuild :)
[13:48] <daja77> started
[13:49] <Togg> that works?
[13:49] <Togg> i thought applications crash if they are compiled against 2.4 headers and u use 2.6 kernel
[13:49] <daja77> it should, 2.6 headers brake some packages
[13:50] <Togg> oh no, in fact u use glibc headers for applications mostly
[13:50] <Togg> i think
[14:06] <daja77> Togg: your gcc patch fails
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[14:37] <Togg> puh
[14:37] <Togg> dunno
[14:37] <Togg> it should be not much which rejects
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[14:39] <kraftwerk> hi
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[15:02] <daja77> Togg: i removed your patch and gcc built fine ...
[15:03] <daja77> Togg: if that was an official fix, we might already have it
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[15:09] <Togg> hmm the patch for gcc was for building big-endian target
[15:09] <Togg> big-endian crosscompiler
[15:09] <daja77> it does not apply, and gcc built anyway
[15:09] <Togg> ok
[15:09] <Togg> I think u'll get an error like "architecture mismatch" later, cause some is big-endian and some little-endian
[15:11] <daja77> we'll see, building 1-glibc atm
[15:28] <fake> Togg: the eb thing is already implemented in mips
[15:30] <fake> Togg: if you have some spare ARM hardware, ARM support could be much better... ;)
[15:33] <Togg> fake: how u mean this? i should buy another hardwarE?
[15:33] <fake> Togg: no
[15:34] <fake> Togg: i mean, if you could do regular test builds on ARM hardware (or for arm hardware) the support would be much better
[15:34] <fake> no-one is doing arm right now
[15:34] <Togg> i think a generic arm target will also run on my xscale
[15:34] <Togg> arm is great
[15:34] <Togg>  :)
[15:35] <fake> agreed, but i only own an ipod
[15:35] <Togg> where do you know, nobody uses arm
[15:35] <Togg> i too
[15:35] <Togg> u do ipod linux?
[15:35] <fake> fpu not supported, mmu not supported...
[15:36] <Togg> on ipod, yes till now its not much supported, even second cpu is not working
[15:36] <fake> unfortunately, yes.
[15:36] <Togg> its enough for mp3 128kbit
[15:36] <fake> but firewire works *g*
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[16:25] <daja77> th: ping
[16:58] <daja77> Togg: ?
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[17:54] <Togg> daja77: yes?
[17:54] <daja77> 1-glibc fails ...
[17:55] <Togg> which err?
[17:55] <daja77> 80.1816722333/glibc-2.3.4-2004-05-01/objdir/misc/ioperm.o.dt
[17:55] <daja77> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c: In function `init_iosys':
[17:55] <daja77> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/arm/ioperm.c:103: error: `BUS_ISA' undeclared (first use in this function)
[17:55] <Togg> ok the BUS_ISA patch was easy
[17:56] <daja77> ?
[17:56] <daja77> there was none regarding this on that page
[17:56] <Togg> i think it has to be patched in the kernel include
[17:56] <daja77> got a patch file somewhere?
[17:57] <Togg> http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/current/patches/glibc-2.3.2/maybe/arm-ioperm.patch
[17:57] <Togg> kegel.com/crosstool has different patches for cross-compile
[17:57] <fake> douh
[17:58] <Togg> fake: what u mean?
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[17:58] <treo> hi
[17:58] <daja77> so not using the first patch you mentioned?
[17:59] <Togg> its also from kegel.com
[18:00] <Togg> the http patch tree is not up-to-date, the latest tarball has all new patches
[18:00] <fake> i would not assume patches to glibc-2.3.2 (which is years old) apply to 2.3.4 (and if they apply, if they make sense)
[18:00] <Togg> it is still needed
[18:01] <Togg> and its just a very small include patch
[18:01] <fake> glibc cvsweb is your friend... maybe it got fixed after 2004-05-01
[18:01] <Togg> :)
[18:01] <daja77> fake: glibc cvsweb is your enemy
[18:01] <Togg> the thing is I just want to get a arm compiler to build
[18:02] <Togg> so i can compile natively on the platform
[18:02] <Togg> with rocklinux
[18:02] <Togg> with nbd-swap and such things :)
[18:02] <fake> Togg: do you use gcc-3.4 ?
[18:02] <Togg> yep
[18:02] <Togg> 3.4.1
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[18:02] <fake> good ;)
[18:02] <Togg> I think the way rocklinux handles cross-compiling for arm is not yet ok
[18:03] <daja77> fake: or have you found useful information on it?
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[18:07] <fake> Togg: why?
[18:07] <fake> daja77: nothing specific to arm, but some problems were solved for sparc and mips...
[18:08] <mnemoc_> moin
[18:08] <Togg> fake: e.g. if i activate big-endian, i think it is not enabled correctly
[18:08] <Togg> moin mnemoc
[18:09] <daja77> hi mnemoc_ 
[18:09] <fake> Togg: as i said, have a look at architecture/mips/archtest.sh
[18:10] <mnemoc_> hi Togg, fake and daja
[18:10] <fake> hi mnemoc_ !
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[18:10] <fake> (on mips, no 'el' means big endian)
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[18:23] <Togg> fake: for arm, i think, u need the eb
[18:24] <fake> Togg: it's no problem to add it...
[18:37] <mnemoc> i love to see quick-reply-discussions on the ML again!
[18:38] <daja77> wow
[18:38] <daja77> .4.1/../../../../arm-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: BFD 2.15.91.0.2 20040727 internal error, aborting at elflink.c line 9345 in _bfd_elf_section_a
[18:38] <daja77> lready_linked
[18:38] <daja77> /scratch/rock-daja/build/armeb-linux-2.1.0-DEV-arm-EB-xscale-cross-generic-expert/ROCK/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib/gcc/arm-unknown-linux-gnu/3
[18:38] <daja77> .4.1/../../../../arm-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: Please report this bug.
[18:39] <daja77> Togg: have ever had this?
[19:39] Action: netrunner recovering a bit. just created 2 new packages :)
[19:40] <Ragnar0k> ;)
[19:40] <netrunner> this damn headache :/
[19:40] Action: Ragnar0k comforts netrunner 
[19:45] <daja77> 2? :) /me polishing kde update :)
[19:46] <netrunner> scripts/Create-CksumPatch a b | patch -p0    just moved the patched a.desc to b.desc :(
[19:47] <daja77> O_o
[20:10] <fake> interesting
[20:10] <fake> 'googlen' is now an official german word
[20:10] <daja77> yep
[20:10] <fake> as well as 'triggern'
[20:10] <daja77> and i guess google does not like it
[20:11] <fake> who cares?
[20:11] <fake> ;)
[20:11] <daja77> erhn /me not, just wanted to mention ...
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[20:19] <Togg> daja77: i didnt had such error
[20:19] <daja77> d'oh
[20:20] <Togg> which package?
[20:20] <Togg> binutils?
[20:20] <daja77> ld is from binutils, yep
[20:20] <Togg> i mean on which package it fails?
[20:20] <daja77> but it failed on glibc
[20:21] <Togg> 1-glibc? hmm
[20:21] <daja77> yep
[20:21] <Togg> too bad
[20:21] <daja77> indeed
[20:24] <Togg> you can try another binutils maybe
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[20:25] <TxD> moin
[20:28] <daja77> not atm
[20:28] <TxD> atm ?
[20:31] <daja77> at the moment
[20:32] <Togg> btw: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATM
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[20:43] Action: daja77 dicing out cksums ^^
[20:47] <fake> hehe
[20:47] <fake> 1 x W1000000000
[20:48] <daja77> scripts/Create-CksumPatch -repository is funny to watch ;)
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[20:59] <fake> hrmpf
[20:59] <fake> if i create variables like, say, ROCKCFG_BLAFASEL_$something
[20:59] <fake> how can i access it using $something?
[21:00] <fake> $ROCKCFG_BLAFASEL_$something has the value of $something
[21:06] <daja77> wooohooo my patch needs four votes ;)
[21:16] <daja77> th: ?
[21:21] <mnemoc> re
[21:22] <daja77> wb
[21:22] <mnemoc> fake: $( eval echo \$ROCKCFG_BLAFASEL_$something )
[21:22] <mnemoc> thanks :p
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[21:30] <fake> menmoc: kuhl
[21:30] <fake> mnemoc that is...
[21:34] <mnemoc> you are not the first to try to do that ,)
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[22:01] <daja77> >_<
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[22:20] <kraftwerk> hm my boot partition is too small (8 mb)
[22:20] <daja77> erhm yes
[22:20] <kraftwerk> which program/library does need so much place?
[22:21] <kraftwerk> on /boot?
[22:21] <daja77> the two kernels perhaps?
[22:21] <kraftwerk> hm...
[22:21] <mnemoc> System.map?
[22:21] <kraftwerk> i would like to have the 2.6
[22:21] <kraftwerk> do i need the 2.4? before compiling a 2.6?
[22:22] <daja77> dunno if you need it, but why having a seperate boot partition anyway?
[22:22] <kraftwerk> hm
[22:22] <kraftwerk> can i make / bootable 
[22:22] <kraftwerk> ?
[22:23] <mnemoc> sure
[22:23] <daja77> why not
[22:23] <kraftwerk> ok
[22:24] <fake> boot partitions are an ancient leftover of a bios limitation
[22:27] <daja77> and lilo limitations
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[22:28] <nzg> moin
[22:28] <Ragnar0k> moin
[22:29] <fake> daja77: the lilo limitation was dictated by the bios ;)
[22:30] Action: mnemoc loves lilo
[22:30] <fake> o_O
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[22:40] <mnemoc> really, i prefer it over grub :)
[22:41] <fake> how comes?
[22:41] <tcr> I didn't ever get used to the naming of it
[22:42] <mnemoc> same do i.. i don't feel confortable with grub's aproach and naming
[22:43] <mnemoc> lilo is _very_ simple and i does everything i want it for
[22:46] <fake> hm, i like the ability to edit my boot parameters if needed
[22:46] <fake> that was my reason to switch to grub
[22:48] <mnemoc> append=""?
[22:48] <fake> no
[22:48] <fake> like
[22:48] <fake> 'oh damn, i mistyped the kernel filename, let's see if i have one lying around somewhere else...'
[22:48] <mnemoc> just don't mistype the kernel filename :p
[22:50] <mnemoc> some 'nice guy' deletes every page on mozilla's calendar page (wiki)
[22:51] <fake> i'm very good at mistyping stuff!
[22:52] <fake> don't make me stop doing the only thing i'm proud of!
[22:52] <fake> ;)
[22:52] <mnemoc> =)
[22:52] <fake> </woman>
[22:53] <fake> this pkgenable/pkgfork drives me crazy
[22:54] <daja77> guess i'll watch fear and loathing in las vegas again ;)
[22:55] <daja77> now 
[22:55] <daja77> cu
[22:55] <mnemoc> cu daja77 
[22:56] <fake> have fun!
[22:56] <daja77> perhaps i understand it a bit more this time :)
[22:58] <fake> *g*
[22:58] <mnemoc> he
[22:59] <fake> == 20:37:23 =[0]=> Building base/binutils=binutils-cross-sparc64 [2.15.91.0.2 2.1.0-DEV].
[22:59] <fake> SEXY!
[23:02] <mnemoc> i'll go
[23:02] <mnemoc> cu :)  good luck fake 
[23:02] <fake> ciao!
[23:39] <th> Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
[23:39] <th> New password: *****************
[23:39] <th> /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory
[23:39] <th> PWOpen: Illegal seek
[23:39] <th> grmpfl
[23:40] <th> it works with trivial passwords
[23:42] <th> i hate pam
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