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[02:13] <assassin> How does your packaging work exactly?
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[08:19] <dsoul> :)
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[14:50] <daja77> >_<
[15:04] <netrunne1> daja77: maybe you run the cabel on the ceiling, so you don't always drive over it ;)
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[19:30] <th> hi mnemoc_ 
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[19:50] <mnemoc> hi
[19:50] <mnemoc> how have you been th
[19:51] <th> how i have been?
[19:51] <th> i've been well - thanks.
[19:52] <mnemoc> good =)
[19:52] <mnemoc> there is something wrong with my question?
[19:52] <th> mnemoc: it's a bit strange asking this question in past tense
[19:52] <th> mnemoc: and it's quite strange asking this question in past perfect.
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[19:53] <mnemoc> ic ... it was the literal translation of how do i ask it in spanish :)
[19:53] <netrunner> hi mnemmi
[19:53] <th> mnemoc: you ask it in past tense there?
[19:54] <mnemoc> that question, yes
[19:54] <th> ic
[19:54] <mnemoc> "i have been very well this days" <--- literal translation too
[19:54] <th> "this days"?
[19:54] <th> you mean these days?
[19:55] <mnemoc> yes :p
[19:55] <mnemoc> sorry
[19:55] <th> hmm
[19:56] <th> you dont as this in past tense in german.
[19:56] <th> s,as,ask,
[19:57] <th> it'd just sound very strange...
[19:57] <mnemoc> just "how are you?"
[19:57] <th> yes
[19:57] <th> *thinking*
[20:00] <Togg> hi all
[20:01] <Togg> I've a problem running my rock-linux-target on the arm
[20:01] <Togg> i wanted to chroot in the build/blah but this happens :
[20:01] <mnemoc> segfaults or functionaly problems?
[20:01] <Togg> bas: xmalloc: cannot allocate 4294967295 bytes (0 bytes allocated)
[20:02] <Togg> I have a old system running, which uses glibc 2.2.5
[20:02] <mnemoc> are you chrooting in the arm-based machine?
[20:02] <Togg> yep
[20:02] <Togg> ./ld-2.3.3.so works
[20:02] <Togg> /mnt/swap/rock-linux-svn/build/lw_bbr-2.1.0-DEV-arm-EB-xscale-cross-generic-expert/lib # ./libc.so.6
[20:02] <Togg> ./libc.so.6: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by ./libc.so.6)
[20:02] <Togg> seems not to work
[20:03] <Togg> so programs fail because of libc not working ?
[20:03] <Ragnar0k> trying to alloc FFFFFFFF bytes?:) neat
[20:03] <Togg> aaah!
[20:03] <Togg> ./ld-linux.so.2 ./libc.so.6
[20:03] <Togg> GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.3, by Roland McGrath et al.
[20:03] <Togg> Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[20:03] <Togg> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions.
[20:03] <Togg> There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A
[20:03] <th> mnemoc: do you have pam in your tree?
[20:04] <Togg> Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.1.
[20:04] <Togg> Compiled on a Linux 2.4.26-rock system on 2004-08-30.
[20:04] <mnemoc> th: nope
[20:04] <Togg> Available extensions:
[20:04] <th> mnemoc: or enabled in your target?
[20:04] <Togg>         GNU libio by Per Bothner
[20:04] <Togg>         crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others
[20:04] <Togg>         linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy
[20:04] <Togg>         BIND-8.2.3-T5B
[20:04] <Togg>         libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc
[20:04] <Togg>         NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk
[20:04] <mnemoc> th: i'm not using pam in any of my current machines
[20:04] <th> mnemoc: ok. so you are the wrong one to ask. perhaps i should remove pam from build-bootstrap pkgsel
[20:04] <mnemoc> th: yeah =)
[20:04] <Togg> mnemoc: if i call libc from ld-2.3.3 it seem to run...
[20:04] <th> mnemoc: i'm not able to change a simple passwort
[20:04] <th> mnemoc: weird cracklib dependency
[20:05] <Togg> mnemoc: but question is, how can i get my chroot to work???
[20:05] <th> mnemoc: i can't even remove that dep by /etc/pam.d/
[20:05] <mnemoc> chroot ldd /bin/bash ?
[20:05] <Togg> yep
[20:05] <mnemoc> th: why can anyone want that troyan horse on a bootstrap distro?
[20:08] <th> mnemoc: ;-)
[20:09] <th> mnemoc: if you'd to guess... do you think one could "Emerge-Pkg" pam, cracklib, et al and get a working pam-enabled system?
[20:10] <Togg> is there a possibilty to chroot to a root where another glibc is wanted?
[20:10] <th> mnemoc: (if you start with that pam-less bootstrap)
[20:10] <th> Togg: yes
[20:10] <Togg> th: how?
[20:10] <th> Togg: perhaps you should've run ldconfig in there before
[20:10] <th> Togg: chroot ROOT /sbin/ldconfig
[20:10] <Togg> ok i try
[20:10] <th> Togg: chroot ROOT /bin/bash
[20:10] <mnemoc> th: you will need lot of rebuilds if you want to emerge pam... but you said you didn't wanted a 'base' target
[20:11] <mnemoc> ldconfig, good point
[20:11] <th> mnemoc: was just a hypothetical question
[20:14] <th> mnemoc: oh. there is no pam in that pkgsel
[20:15] <th> $ passwd root
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[20:15] <th> New password: ********************
[20:15] <th> /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory
[20:15] <th> PWOpen: No such file or directory
[20:15] Action: blindcoder goes and shoots himself
[20:15] <mnemoc> OT: is openldap still failing to you? (/me doesn't know to use 'still')
[20:15] <mnemoc> th: /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[20:15] <mnemoc> hi blindcoder 
[20:15] <blindcoder> hi
[20:15] <th> passwd:         db files
[20:15] <blindcoder> I just deleted 200(!) GB of data
[20:15] <th> shoudl remove db
[20:16] <blindcoder> because of a buggy rockplug script
[20:16] Action: mnemoc shoots blindcoder 
[20:16] <mnemoc> oh
[20:16] <blindcoder> my home
[20:16] <blindcoder> my /data
[20:16] <blindcoder> everything
[20:16] <mnemoc> oh
[20:16] <mnemoc> what rockplug scripts?
[20:16] <th> uhhhh
[20:16] <mnemoc> script*
[20:16] <blindcoder> one I wrote for mobile disks
[20:16] <th> uhhhh
[20:17] <th> i love my "HARDWARE_SETUP=manual" in /etc/conf/hardware
[20:17] <blindcoder> now I have 200GB free hard disk space
[20:17] <th> blindcoder: congrats
[20:17] Action: blindcoder leaves
[20:17] <blindcoder> I'm down in the dumps
[20:17] <blindcoder> mails... gone
[20:17] <blindcoder> anime... gone
[20:17] <blindcoder> everything... gone
[20:17] <blindcoder> scripts...
[20:17] <blindcoder> settings...
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[20:18] <Ragnar0k> ...
[20:18] <Ragnar0k> sucks :/
[20:18] <th> /me checks his last backups...
[20:18] <Ragnar0k> =0
[20:19] <th> mnemoc: how should nsswitch.conf activate some cracklib vodoo?
[20:19] <th> mnemoc: i removed all "db" from nsswitch.conf. now only files and dns in there
[20:20] <th> # Enable additional checks upon password changes.
[20:20] <th> OBSCURE_CHECKS_ENAB     yes
[20:20] <mnemoc> cracklib is via pam iirc
[20:20] <mnemoc> oh
[20:20] <th> (etc/login.defs)
[20:20] <th> (by shadow)
[20:21] <th> HA!
[20:21] <th> # If compiled with cracklib support, where are the dictionaries
[20:21] <th> CRACKLIB_DICTPATH       /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict
[20:21] <th> (etc/login.defs)
[20:21] <th> (by shadow)
[20:21] <mnemoc> uhmm... libdaemon requires lynx
[20:22] <Ragnar0k> *lol*
[20:23] <th> mnemoc: do you have a modified version of shadow in your tree?
[20:23] <mnemoc> th: can pkginstall logic be ported to 2.0? pkgcheck performs wrong on Emerge
[20:23] <mnemoc> th: nothing special, just no pam or cracklib on build time
[20:23] <th> mnemoc: can you change passwords?
[20:23] <mnemoc> sure
[20:24] <th> ahh uhh - i have cracklib in there :-/
[20:24] <mnemoc> maybe cracklib was available on build time =)
[20:24] <th> yes it was. and it is installed.
[20:24] <th> but it does not work
[20:24] <th> perhaps cracklib requires some pam voodoo
[20:25] <th> mnemoc: you should really ask this on ML
[20:25] <th> mnemoc: i wont decide such things alone
[20:25] <mnemoc> ok
[20:26] <th> mnemoc: i'm just the one gathering patches, applying patches, testing and committing
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[20:26] <th> mnemoc: ahh cracklib provides that missing file at different location
[20:26] <blindcoder> I'm now going to go through the raw filesystem in 500MB chunks to at least recover some scripts
[20:26] <th> blindcoder: what fs was that?
[20:27] <Ragnar0k> good luck blindcoder 
[20:27] <mnemoc> th: wtf?
[20:27] <blindcoder> th: ext3
[20:27] <th> blindcoder: ext2 would have been easier.
[20:28] <blindcoder> th: yes, there are undelete tools for ext2
[20:28] <mnemoc> th: i'll try to do a patch and mail it as RFC
[20:28] <blindcoder> th: but that's impossible for ext3
[20:28] <Ragnar0k> what's the big diff between ext2 and ext3 then?
[20:28] <th> blindcoder: because ext2 keeps the indirect referenced inode-lists intact.
[20:28] <Ragnar0k> I thought you could mount ext3 as ext2 with no problem?
[20:28] <th> Ragnar0k: journaling
[20:28] <mnemoc> blindcoder: it cost US$ 50/hour on reiser :|
[20:28] <Ragnar0k> (loosing the journal)
[20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I _can_ recover most of the data on the disk
[20:29] <th> Ragnar0k: but the "rm" was running on mounted ext3 fs. so the indirect inode lists are lost
[20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: but it will take about 6-24 months
[20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: that's data I collected over the last few years
[20:30] <blindcoder> scripts and 100 little programs I coded over the years
[20:30] <mnemoc> uff
[20:30] <Ragnar0k> sorry to hear
[20:30] <blindcoder> the anime I can recover
[20:30] <th> mnemoc: you'll send a patch for the cracklib bug?
[20:30] <th> mnemoc: or for pkgcheck issue?
[20:30] <blindcoder> but the data, ssh keys, mail archive...
[20:30] <blindcoder> all lost
[20:30] <mnemoc> pkgcheck
[20:30] <blindcoder> my beloved .procmailrc >_<
[20:31] <mnemoc> no backups? of anything?
[20:31] <blindcoder> heh
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[20:31] <blindcoder> ironically I am currently in the process of setting up the backup
[20:31] <blindcoder> and I just bought 50 DVD-Rs to backup important data until I'm finished
[20:32] <th> blindcoder: perhaps you should backup the raw fs
[20:33] <blindcoder> it is on a separate HD which is not automatically mounted at startu
[20:33] <blindcoder> p
[20:34] <blindcoder> but if someone has an mbox of the rock-linux mailinglist I would be glad to receive it
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[20:35] Action: Ragnar0k can provide that
[20:37] <blindcoder> can you put it on a webserver somewhere?
[20:37] <th> blindcoder: i could provide this from 2002-09 up to now. including submaster mails. 82MB of data
[20:37] <blindcoder> th: great!
[20:38] <blindcoder> btw, I've already eliminated the responsible script
[20:38] <blindcoder> th: can you put it on a server somewhere?
[20:38] <blindcoder> I'd download it to my laptop then
[20:38] <th> blindcoder: yes. gimme some time to upload the data
[20:38] <blindcoder> sure
[20:40] <th> should give a good compression level...
[20:40] <daja77> oh nice traffic again :)
[20:41] <th> blindcoder: shall i send you an archive of your personal mails, i intercepted in the last years too?
[20:41] <blindcoder> no, rocklinux itself is fine
[20:42] <th> ok. ;-)
[20:42] <daja77> http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/lis/18228/18228_2.jpg
[20:43] <Ragnar0k> eeeps
[20:49] <th> blindcoder: 8.6MB compressed :)
[20:50] <blindcoder> nice
[20:53] <th> blindcoder: this is maildir format. but you should switch to maildir anyways.
[20:54] <Ragnar0k> *lol*
[20:55] Action: Ragnar0k currently has a space problem .... but if you need my archive, too, I'll have it up in a few
[20:56] <blindcoder> th: can procmail handle maildir?
[20:56] <th> blindcoder: maildrop can.
[20:56] <blindcoder> what is maildrop?
[20:56] <th> blindcoder: the better choice.
[20:56] <blindcoder> so, is it...
[20:56] <th> blindcoder: it's your procmail replacement
[20:57] <blindcoder> well, since my .procmailrc is gone anyway
[20:57] <th> blindcoder: exactly
[20:57] <Ragnar0k> procmail can handle maildir
[20:57] <th> procmail is not interesting anymore ;)
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[20:58] <madtux> -=[ HAPPY BIRTHDAY MNEMOC ]=-
[20:58] <madtux> hi all btw
[20:59] <daja77> hi madtux 
[20:59] <th> oh. congrats mnemoc 
[21:00] <blindcoder> hi madtux 
[21:05] <madtux> hi :)
[21:05] <madtux> blindcoder ... where is blindy?!?
[21:05] <blindcoder> madtux: blindy died with 200 GB Anime
[21:05] <blindcoder> and scripts
[21:05] <blindcoder> and little programs
[21:05] <blindcoder> and mails
[21:05] <blindcoder> and... everything
[21:06] <madtux> AHHHHHHHHHHHH?!?!
[21:06] <blindcoder> yes, that was about my reaction, too
[21:06] <daja77> hd crash?
[21:06] <blindcoder> a buggy script I wrote for rockplug deleted /mnt
[21:06] <blindcoder> where my /home and /data from my server where mounted
[21:06] <daja77> >_<
[21:06] <madtux> blindcoder: are u sure this wasn't done by daja77 ?
[21:07] <daja77> O_o
[21:07] <blindcoder> which were both, btw, _completely_ filled up
[21:07] <madtux> damn it!
[21:07] <blindcoder> well, not completely
[21:07] <blindcoder> but together they are 200 GB and filled around 160
[21:07] <daja77> th: bootstrap build is finished, and bootdisk finished right now, I#ll create an iso and try it :)
[21:07] <blindcoder> the other 40 were already backep up onto DVD
[21:08] <th> daja77: i just found a bug related to shadow and cracklib
[21:08] <daja77> a new one?
[21:08] <th> daja77: a shadow.conf related one
[21:08] <th> daja77: you'll notice if you try to give user root in your installation a new (non-trivial) password
[21:09] <th> daja77: i'm just reporting this on ML
[21:12] <th> daja77: sent
[21:13] <th> daja77: could you confirm this please?
[21:15] Action: netrunner only uses trivial root passwords, never noticed anything ;)
[21:15] <th> netrunner: on a pamless system?
[21:16] <th> clifford: you here?
[21:19] <netrunner> th: oh, no :)
[21:22] <th> netrunner: but you have problems setting a non-trivial password?
[21:24] <Togg> hmm there is definitely something wrong with my resulting built :-/
[21:25] <Togg> bash, which is built statically gives xmalloc: cannot allocate 4294967295 bytes (0 bytes allocated)Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init!
[21:25] <Togg> dynamically linked files give libc.so.6, no such file or directory
[21:26] <Togg> but libc.so.6 is there and in chroot it says GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.3, by Roland McGrath et al. and so on
[21:26] <Togg> I think there is an error in glibc-2.3.4 
[21:26] <Togg> can i downgrade glibc ????
[21:27] <th> Togg: you could call it dietlibc. glibc should feel really downgraded by this.
[21:27] <Togg> th: i dont think dietlibc will work with arm
[21:28] <th> Togg: hey, i was just kidding.
[21:28] <Togg> th: what I meant is, how can i use an older glibc????
[21:28] <Togg> lets say 2.3.2
[21:28] <th> Togg: stick to 2.0-stable? ;-)
[21:28] <Togg> 2.0-stable means i cant build for arm at all ;)
[21:28] <Togg> i tried some hours
[21:29] <daja77> th: nah not for non x86
[21:29] <th> bad luck for 2.0-stable
[21:29] <Togg> mnemoc: how can i use an older version of glibc????
[21:29] <blindcoder> Togg: change version number in .desc file
[21:29] <Togg> i manually tried to specify download locations and so on but this fails
[21:29] <blindcoder> Emerge-kg it
[21:29] <Togg> gives strange errors
[21:29] <blindcoder> and _pray_
[21:30] <blindcoder> the last step is - by the way - the most important
[21:30] <Togg> lol
[21:30] <Togg> no, in fact, there is something broken in glibc.conf
[21:30] <Togg> if i specify to download glibc 2.3.2 
[21:30] <Togg> after unpacking it says couldnt find 23928472722
[21:31] <Togg> ( it tries to use the number before the filename as filename)
[21:33] <Togg> I also tried to use glibc 2.2.5 (enabling in make menuconfig), same erorr
[21:34] <Togg> I am no expert, but the error is here:
[21:34] <th> Togg: did you add additional whitelines?
[21:34] <Togg>         tarball="`echo $desc_D  | grep linuxthreads | \
[21:34] <Togg>                   sed 's/.* \(.*\.linuxthreads.*\) .*/\1/'`"
[21:34] <th> Togg: s/whitelines/whitespace chars/
[21:34] <Togg> no
[21:34] <Togg> i used * since a long time
[21:34] <Togg> i dont do such errors
[21:37] <netrunner> th: ah, I always set the passwords from root, so the cracklib result is only reported but does not make the change fail.
[21:38] <th> netrunner: the issue i'm talking about is not about something being reported
[21:39] <th> netrunner: it's more about something not working at all
[21:39] <Togg> can someone have a look at the glibc bug?
[21:39] <daja77> th: i am installing an can then test it
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[21:51] <th> current 2.0-stable refbuild:
[21:51] <th> 2192 builds total, 718 completed fine, 3 with errors.
[21:52] <th> daja77: your kde patches look good.
[22:01] <th> daja77: they are in
[22:02] <daja77> good
[22:10] <th> daja77: your build machine is idling again?
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[22:15] <daja77> atm yes
[22:16] <th> daja77: if you want you could test the mine upgrade. you'd need to apply mine-update-0.18.diff from Message-Id: <200408302121.46204.fake@rapidnetworks.de>
[22:16] <th> daja77: we can update mine to 0.18 if tests with old cd sets are positive
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[23:42] <Togg> anyone knows about the demangler problem with binutils ???
[23:43] <Togg> i only have a svn log from rene
[23:43] <Togg> but its not very usefull
[23:44] <Togg> argh, when binutils and binutils-cross were merged the old svn logs are lost
[23:48] <daja77> hm quite old binutils
[23:48] <Togg> hmm i need it 
[23:49] <Togg> binutils 2.15 is broken for arm
[23:49] <Togg> fake and rxr discussed about this binutils
[23:49] <Togg> and found a solution
[23:49] <Togg> but i cant find it in svn 
[23:49] <Togg> because of the cross-merges
[23:50] <Togg> fake: huhu pleaaaasse help
[23:50] <Togg> fake: did u get better results with enabling g++ compiler in stage1 or disabling c++ demangler in binutils???
[23:54] <Togg> I just added languages=c,c++ to gcc stage0+1 and hope that works
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