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[18:57] tcr (~tcr@p54879B13.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:26] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.57) joined #rocklinux. [19:30] <th> hi mnemoc_ [19:41] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] De_Elsasser (~eric@ASte-Genev-Bois-102-1-4-183.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] <mnemoc> hi [19:50] <mnemoc> how have you been th [19:51] <th> how i have been? [19:51] <th> i've been well - thanks. [19:52] <mnemoc> good =) [19:52] <mnemoc> there is something wrong with my question? [19:52] <th> mnemoc: it's a bit strange asking this question in past tense [19:52] <th> mnemoc: and it's quite strange asking this question in past perfect. [19:53] blindy (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "You're breaking my heart, tears in my eyes. Nothing but pain and nothing but lies." [19:53] <mnemoc> ic ... it was the literal translation of how do i ask it in spanish :) [19:53] <netrunner> hi mnemmi [19:53] <th> mnemoc: you ask it in past tense there? [19:54] <mnemoc> that question, yes [19:54] <th> ic [19:54] <mnemoc> "i have been very well this days" <--- literal translation too [19:54] <th> "this days"? [19:54] <th> you mean these days? [19:55] <mnemoc> yes :p [19:55] <mnemoc> sorry [19:55] <th> hmm [19:56] <th> you dont as this in past tense in german. [19:56] <th> s,as,ask, [19:57] <th> it'd just sound very strange... [19:57] <mnemoc> just "how are you?" [19:57] <th> yes [19:57] <th> *thinking* [20:00] <Togg> hi all [20:01] <Togg> I've a problem running my rock-linux-target on the arm [20:01] <Togg> i wanted to chroot in the build/blah but this happens : [20:01] <mnemoc> segfaults or functionaly problems? [20:01] <Togg> bas: xmalloc: cannot allocate 4294967295 bytes (0 bytes allocated) [20:02] <Togg> I have a old system running, which uses glibc 2.2.5 [20:02] <mnemoc> are you chrooting in the arm-based machine? [20:02] <Togg> yep [20:02] <Togg> ./ld-2.3.3.so works [20:02] <Togg> /mnt/swap/rock-linux-svn/build/lw_bbr-2.1.0-DEV-arm-EB-xscale-cross-generic-expert/lib # ./libc.so.6 [20:02] <Togg> ./libc.so.6: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by ./libc.so.6) [20:02] <Togg> seems not to work [20:03] <Togg> so programs fail because of libc not working ? [20:03] <Ragnar0k> trying to alloc FFFFFFFF bytes?:) neat [20:03] <Togg> aaah! [20:03] <Togg> ./ld-linux.so.2 ./libc.so.6 [20:03] <Togg> GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.3, by Roland McGrath et al. [20:03] <Togg> Copyright (C) 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. [20:03] <Togg> This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. [20:03] <Togg> There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A [20:03] <th> mnemoc: do you have pam in your tree? [20:04] <Togg> PARTICULAR PURPOSE. [20:04] <Togg> Compiled by GNU CC version 3.4.1. [20:04] <Togg> Compiled on a Linux 2.4.26-rock system on 2004-08-30. [20:04] <mnemoc> th: nope [20:04] <Togg> Available extensions: [20:04] <th> mnemoc: or enabled in your target? [20:04] <Togg> GNU libio by Per Bothner [20:04] <Togg> crypt add-on version 2.1 by Michael Glad and others [20:04] <Togg> linuxthreads-0.10 by Xavier Leroy [20:04] <Togg> BIND-8.2.3-T5B [20:04] <Togg> libthread_db work sponsored by Alpha Processor Inc [20:04] <Togg> NIS(YP)/NIS+ NSS modules 0.19 by Thorsten Kukuk [20:04] <mnemoc> th: i'm not using pam in any of my current machines [20:04] <th> mnemoc: ok. so you are the wrong one to ask. perhaps i should remove pam from build-bootstrap pkgsel [20:04] <mnemoc> th: yeah =) [20:04] <Togg> mnemoc: if i call libc from ld-2.3.3 it seem to run... [20:04] <th> mnemoc: i'm not able to change a simple passwort [20:04] <th> mnemoc: weird cracklib dependency [20:05] <Togg> mnemoc: but question is, how can i get my chroot to work??? [20:05] <th> mnemoc: i can't even remove that dep by /etc/pam.d/ [20:05] <mnemoc> chroot ldd /bin/bash ? [20:05] <Togg> yep [20:05] <mnemoc> th: why can anyone want that troyan horse on a bootstrap distro? [20:08] <th> mnemoc: ;-) [20:09] <th> mnemoc: if you'd to guess... do you think one could "Emerge-Pkg" pam, cracklib, et al and get a working pam-enabled system? [20:10] <Togg> is there a possibilty to chroot to a root where another glibc is wanted? [20:10] <th> mnemoc: (if you start with that pam-less bootstrap) [20:10] <th> Togg: yes [20:10] <Togg> th: how? [20:10] <th> Togg: perhaps you should've run ldconfig in there before [20:10] <th> Togg: chroot ROOT /sbin/ldconfig [20:10] <Togg> ok i try [20:10] <th> Togg: chroot ROOT /bin/bash [20:10] <mnemoc> th: you will need lot of rebuilds if you want to emerge pam... but you said you didn't wanted a 'base' target [20:11] <mnemoc> ldconfig, good point [20:11] <th> mnemoc: was just a hypothetical question [20:14] <th> mnemoc: oh. there is no pam in that pkgsel [20:15] <th> $ passwd root [20:15] blindcoder (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:15] <th> New password: ******************** [20:15] <th> /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict.pwd: No such file or directory [20:15] <th> PWOpen: No such file or directory [20:15] Action: blindcoder goes and shoots himself [20:15] <mnemoc> OT: is openldap still failing to you? (/me doesn't know to use 'still') [20:15] <mnemoc> th: /etc/nsswitch.conf? [20:15] <mnemoc> hi blindcoder [20:15] <blindcoder> hi [20:15] <th> passwd: db files [20:15] <blindcoder> I just deleted 200(!) GB of data [20:15] <th> shoudl remove db [20:16] <blindcoder> because of a buggy rockplug script [20:16] Action: mnemoc shoots blindcoder [20:16] <mnemoc> oh [20:16] <blindcoder> my home [20:16] <blindcoder> my /data [20:16] <blindcoder> everything [20:16] <mnemoc> oh [20:16] <mnemoc> what rockplug scripts? [20:16] <th> uhhhh [20:16] <mnemoc> script* [20:16] <blindcoder> one I wrote for mobile disks [20:16] <th> uhhhh [20:17] <th> i love my "HARDWARE_SETUP=manual" in /etc/conf/hardware [20:17] <blindcoder> now I have 200GB free hard disk space [20:17] <th> blindcoder: congrats [20:17] Action: blindcoder leaves [20:17] <blindcoder> I'm down in the dumps [20:17] <blindcoder> mails... gone [20:17] <blindcoder> anime... gone [20:17] <blindcoder> everything... gone [20:17] <blindcoder> scripts... [20:17] <blindcoder> settings... [20:17] blindcoder (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:18] <Ragnar0k> ... [20:18] <Ragnar0k> sucks :/ [20:18] <th> /me checks his last backups... [20:18] <Ragnar0k> =0 [20:19] <th> mnemoc: how should nsswitch.conf activate some cracklib vodoo? [20:19] <th> mnemoc: i removed all "db" from nsswitch.conf. now only files and dns in there [20:20] <th> # Enable additional checks upon password changes. [20:20] <th> OBSCURE_CHECKS_ENAB yes [20:20] <mnemoc> cracklib is via pam iirc [20:20] <mnemoc> oh [20:20] <th> (etc/login.defs) [20:20] <th> (by shadow) [20:21] <th> HA! [20:21] <th> # If compiled with cracklib support, where are the dictionaries [20:21] <th> CRACKLIB_DICTPATH /var/cache/cracklib/cracklib_dict [20:21] <th> (etc/login.defs) [20:21] <th> (by shadow) [20:21] <mnemoc> uhmm... libdaemon requires lynx [20:22] <Ragnar0k> *lol* [20:23] <th> mnemoc: do you have a modified version of shadow in your tree? [20:23] <mnemoc> th: can pkginstall logic be ported to 2.0? pkgcheck performs wrong on Emerge [20:23] <mnemoc> th: nothing special, just no pam or cracklib on build time [20:23] <th> mnemoc: can you change passwords? [20:23] <mnemoc> sure [20:24] <th> ahh uhh - i have cracklib in there :-/ [20:24] <mnemoc> maybe cracklib was available on build time =) [20:24] <th> yes it was. and it is installed. [20:24] <th> but it does not work [20:24] <th> perhaps cracklib requires some pam voodoo [20:25] <th> mnemoc: you should really ask this on ML [20:25] <th> mnemoc: i wont decide such things alone [20:25] <mnemoc> ok [20:26] <th> mnemoc: i'm just the one gathering patches, applying patches, testing and committing [20:26] blindcoder (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:26] <th> mnemoc: ahh cracklib provides that missing file at different location [20:26] <blindcoder> I'm now going to go through the raw filesystem in 500MB chunks to at least recover some scripts [20:26] <th> blindcoder: what fs was that? [20:27] <Ragnar0k> good luck blindcoder [20:27] <mnemoc> th: wtf? [20:27] <blindcoder> th: ext3 [20:27] <th> blindcoder: ext2 would have been easier. [20:28] <blindcoder> th: yes, there are undelete tools for ext2 [20:28] <mnemoc> th: i'll try to do a patch and mail it as RFC [20:28] <blindcoder> th: but that's impossible for ext3 [20:28] <Ragnar0k> what's the big diff between ext2 and ext3 then? [20:28] <th> blindcoder: because ext2 keeps the indirect referenced inode-lists intact. [20:28] <Ragnar0k> I thought you could mount ext3 as ext2 with no problem? [20:28] <th> Ragnar0k: journaling [20:28] <mnemoc> blindcoder: it cost US$ 50/hour on reiser :| [20:28] <Ragnar0k> (loosing the journal) [20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I _can_ recover most of the data on the disk [20:29] <th> Ragnar0k: but the "rm" was running on mounted ext3 fs. so the indirect inode lists are lost [20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: but it will take about 6-24 months [20:29] <blindcoder> mnemoc: that's data I collected over the last few years [20:30] <blindcoder> scripts and 100 little programs I coded over the years [20:30] <mnemoc> uff [20:30] <Ragnar0k> sorry to hear [20:30] <blindcoder> the anime I can recover [20:30] <th> mnemoc: you'll send a patch for the cracklib bug? [20:30] <th> mnemoc: or for pkgcheck issue? [20:30] <blindcoder> but the data, ssh keys, mail archive... [20:30] <blindcoder> all lost [20:30] <mnemoc> pkgcheck [20:30] <blindcoder> my beloved .procmailrc >_< [20:31] <mnemoc> no backups? of anything? [20:31] <blindcoder> heh [20:31] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D530.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:31] <blindcoder> ironically I am currently in the process of setting up the backup [20:31] <blindcoder> and I just bought 50 DVD-Rs to backup important data until I'm finished [20:32] <th> blindcoder: perhaps you should backup the raw fs [20:33] <blindcoder> it is on a separate HD which is not automatically mounted at startu [20:33] <blindcoder> p [20:34] <blindcoder> but if someone has an mbox of the rock-linux mailinglist I would be glad to receive it [20:34] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8C5B0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:35] Action: Ragnar0k can provide that [20:37] <blindcoder> can you put it on a webserver somewhere? [20:37] <th> blindcoder: i could provide this from 2002-09 up to now. including submaster mails. 82MB of data [20:37] <blindcoder> th: great! [20:38] <blindcoder> btw, I've already eliminated the responsible script [20:38] <blindcoder> th: can you put it on a server somewhere? [20:38] <blindcoder> I'd download it to my laptop then [20:38] <th> blindcoder: yes. gimme some time to upload the data [20:38] <blindcoder> sure [20:40] <th> should give a good compression level... [20:40] <daja77> oh nice traffic again :) [20:41] <th> blindcoder: shall i send you an archive of your personal mails, i intercepted in the last years too? [20:41] <blindcoder> no, rocklinux itself is fine [20:42] <th> ok. ;-) [20:42] <daja77> https://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/lis/18228/18228_2.jpg [20:43] <Ragnar0k> eeeps [20:49] <th> blindcoder: 8.6MB compressed :) [20:50] <blindcoder> nice [20:53] <th> blindcoder: this is maildir format. but you should switch to maildir anyways. [20:54] <Ragnar0k> *lol* [20:55] Action: Ragnar0k currently has a space problem .... but if you need my archive, too, I'll have it up in a few [20:56] <blindcoder> th: can procmail handle maildir? [20:56] <th> blindcoder: maildrop can. [20:56] <blindcoder> what is maildrop? [20:56] <th> blindcoder: the better choice. [20:56] <blindcoder> so, is it... [20:56] <th> blindcoder: it's your procmail replacement [20:57] <blindcoder> well, since my .procmailrc is gone anyway [20:57] <th> blindcoder: exactly [20:57] <Ragnar0k> procmail can handle maildir [20:57] <th> procmail is not interesting anymore ;) [20:58] madtux (~mike@196.40.44.22) joined #rocklinux. [20:58] <madtux> -=[ HAPPY BIRTHDAY MNEMOC ]=- [20:58] <madtux> hi all btw [20:59] <daja77> hi madtux [20:59] <th> oh. congrats mnemoc [21:00] <blindcoder> hi madtux [21:05] <madtux> hi :) [21:05] <madtux> blindcoder ... where is blindy?!? [21:05] <blindcoder> madtux: blindy died with 200 GB Anime [21:05] <blindcoder> and scripts [21:05] <blindcoder> and little programs [21:05] <blindcoder> and mails [21:05] <blindcoder> and... everything [21:06] <madtux> AHHHHHHHHHHHH?!?! [21:06] <blindcoder> yes, that was about my reaction, too [21:06] <daja77> hd crash? [21:06] <blindcoder> a buggy script I wrote for rockplug deleted /mnt [21:06] <blindcoder> where my /home and /data from my server where mounted [21:06] <daja77> >_< [21:06] <madtux> blindcoder: are u sure this wasn't done by daja77 ? [21:07] <daja77> O_o [21:07] <blindcoder> which were both, btw, _completely_ filled up [21:07] <madtux> damn it! [21:07] <blindcoder> well, not completely [21:07] <blindcoder> but together they are 200 GB and filled around 160 [21:07] <daja77> th: bootstrap build is finished, and bootdisk finished right now, I#ll create an iso and try it :) [21:07] <blindcoder> the other 40 were already backep up onto DVD [21:08] <th> daja77: i just found a bug related to shadow and cracklib [21:08] <daja77> a new one? [21:08] <th> daja77: a shadow.conf related one [21:08] <th> daja77: you'll notice if you try to give user root in your installation a new (non-trivial) password [21:09] <th> daja77: i'm just reporting this on ML [21:12] <th> daja77: sent [21:13] <th> daja77: could you confirm this please? [21:15] Action: netrunner only uses trivial root passwords, never noticed anything ;) [21:15] <th> netrunner: on a pamless system? [21:16] <th> clifford: you here? [21:19] <netrunner> th: oh, no :) [21:22] <th> netrunner: but you have problems setting a non-trivial password? [21:24] <Togg> hmm there is definitely something wrong with my resulting built :-/ [21:25] <Togg> bash, which is built statically gives xmalloc: cannot allocate 4294967295 bytes (0 bytes allocated)Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! [21:25] <Togg> dynamically linked files give libc.so.6, no such file or directory [21:26] <Togg> but libc.so.6 is there and in chroot it says GNU C Library stable release version 2.3.3, by Roland McGrath et al. and so on [21:26] <Togg> I think there is an error in glibc-2.3.4 [21:26] <Togg> can i downgrade glibc ???? [21:27] <th> Togg: you could call it dietlibc. glibc should feel really downgraded by this. [21:27] <Togg> th: i dont think dietlibc will work with arm [21:28] <th> Togg: hey, i was just kidding. [21:28] <Togg> th: what I meant is, how can i use an older glibc???? [21:28] <Togg> lets say 2.3.2 [21:28] <th> Togg: stick to 2.0-stable? ;-) [21:28] <Togg> 2.0-stable means i cant build for arm at all ;) [21:28] <Togg> i tried some hours [21:29] <daja77> th: nah not for non x86 [21:29] <th> bad luck for 2.0-stable [21:29] <Togg> mnemoc: how can i use an older version of glibc???? [21:29] <blindcoder> Togg: change version number in .desc file [21:29] <Togg> i manually tried to specify download locations and so on but this fails [21:29] <blindcoder> Emerge-kg it [21:29] <Togg> gives strange errors [21:29] <blindcoder> and _pray_ [21:30] <blindcoder> the last step is - by the way - the most important [21:30] <Togg> lol [21:30] <Togg> no, in fact, there is something broken in glibc.conf [21:30] <Togg> if i specify to download glibc 2.3.2 [21:30] <Togg> after unpacking it says couldnt find 23928472722 [21:31] <Togg> ( it tries to use the number before the filename as filename) [21:33] <Togg> I also tried to use glibc 2.2.5 (enabling in make menuconfig), same erorr [21:34] <Togg> I am no expert, but the error is here: [21:34] <th> Togg: did you add additional whitelines? [21:34] <Togg> tarball="`echo $desc_D | grep linuxthreads | \ [21:34] <Togg> sed 's/.* \(.*\.linuxthreads.*\) .*/\1/'`" [21:34] <th> Togg: s/whitelines/whitespace chars/ [21:34] <Togg> no [21:34] <Togg> i used * since a long time [21:34] <Togg> i dont do such errors [21:37] <netrunner> th: ah, I always set the passwords from root, so the cracklib result is only reported but does not make the change fail. [21:38] <th> netrunner: the issue i'm talking about is not about something being reported [21:39] <th> netrunner: it's more about something not working at all [21:39] <Togg> can someone have a look at the glibc bug? [21:39] <daja77> th: i am installing an can then test it [21:51] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@pD95F8127.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:51] <th> current 2.0-stable refbuild: [21:51] <th> 2192 builds total, 718 completed fine, 3 with errors. [21:52] <th> daja77: your kde patches look good. [22:01] <th> daja77: they are in [22:02] <daja77> good [22:10] <th> daja77: your build machine is idling again? [22:13] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA95C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:15] <daja77> atm yes [22:16] <th> daja77: if you want you could test the mine upgrade. you'd need to apply mine-update-0.18.diff from Message-Id: <200408302121.46204.fake@rapidnetworks.de> [22:16] <th> daja77: we can update mine to 0.18 if tests with old cd sets are positive [22:44] blindcoder (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "brb" [22:46] blindcoder (~blindcode@pD958F103.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:42] <Togg> anyone knows about the demangler problem with binutils 2.14.90.0.6 ??? [23:43] <Togg> i only have a svn log from rene [23:43] <Togg> but its not very usefull [23:44] <Togg> argh, when binutils and binutils-cross were merged the old svn logs are lost [23:48] <daja77> hm quite old binutils [23:48] <Togg> hmm i need it [23:49] <Togg> binutils 2.15 is broken for arm [23:49] <Togg> fake and rxr discussed about this binutils [23:49] <Togg> and found a solution [23:49] <Togg> but i cant find it in svn [23:49] <Togg> because of the cross-merges [23:50] <Togg> fake: huhu pleaaaasse help [23:50] <Togg> fake: did u get better results with enabling g++ compiler in stage1 or disabling c++ demangler in binutils??? [23:54] <Togg> I just added languages=c,c++ to gcc stage0+1 and hope that works [00:00] --- Tue Aug 31 2004