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[00:27] <netrunner> http://www.google.com/search?q=answer+to+life+the+universe+and+everything
[00:40] <fake> *ROFL*
[00:40] <fake> this is great
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[08:27] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:03] <netrunner> moin
[09:03] <blindcoder> moin moin netrunner 
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[09:52] <blindcoder> moin clifford 
[09:52] <clifford> moin.
[09:54] <blindcoder> Early next week I finally get internet connection at home again :)
[09:59] <netrunner> hi clifford 
[10:04] <clifford> hi.
[11:15] <th> moin
[11:15] <th> hi clifford 
[11:16] <clifford> hi th.
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[11:33] <nzg> moin
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[14:42] <clifford> ==> http://edri.org/cgi-bin/index?id=000100000162 <==
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[16:14] <mnemoc> moin
[16:43] <netrunner> hi mnemoc
[17:40] <mnemoc> hi netrunner 
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[19:22] <rolla> re
[19:37] <netrunner> is there something in awk where I can say print all fields from $3 like $3- or so?
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[19:41] <demian> hi
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[19:47] <th> netrunner: cat /etc/passwd | awk '  BEGIN {FS=":"}  {  for (i=2;i<=NF;i++) printf $i ; print } '
[19:48] <th> print ""
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[19:59] <treo> hi :)
[20:00] <treo> th: your iso does boot :)
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[20:31] <th> hi treo 
[20:32] <th> treo: i want you to recreate the iso
[20:32] <th> treo: it has to work
[20:32] <th> treo: but if you dont feel like that... use mine
[20:36] <treo> ok, il recreate it later, atm I have to do my homework ;)
[20:37] <th> e.g. installing rock linux?
[20:38] <treo> hehe :)
[20:38] <treo> let me look what I have left to do and than we will see :)
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[21:14] <treo> oh, I just noticed that my sister has taken the notebook to her boyfriend and she will return tomorrow
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[21:16] <fake> re
[21:16] <th> hi fake
[21:18] <fake> http://klingon.dw-world.de/klingon/index.php
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[21:18] <fake> freaks
[21:35] <fake> hm, this online radio rocks: www.digitalgunfire.com
[21:38] <treo> yes it does :)
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[21:58] <th> why does Download -required want to download gcc-2.95.3 when there is only gcc=gcc32 in config/packages?
[21:59] <fake> th: that's  missing logic
[21:59] <fake> ./scripts/Download doesn't parse the desc files' conditional stuff
[22:00] <th> hmm i see
[22:00] <th> i wouldn't hurt if the cksum for gcc2 would be correct ;>
[22:00] <th> /me tries to build the rescue target with trunk
[22:00] <fake> o_O it should be
[22:00] <fake> last time i checked it was o.k.
[22:01] <th> fake: i just got a cksum-err
[22:01] <fake> wait a sec...
[22:01] <th> i won't leave so soon
[22:01] <th> (at least not today)
[22:02] <fake> download/mirror/g/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2: 354985877
[22:04] <th> that's the cksum of the tar. ack. and it's also in .desc
[22:04] <th> but it created a cksum-err 
[22:06] <fake> hm... 
[22:07] <fake> must be hardware error ;)
[22:07] <th> uhuh errors...
[22:07] <th> == 09/14/04 00:06:23 =[0]=> Aborted building package gcc32.
[22:07] <th> == 09/14/04 00:07:03 =[1]=> Aborted building package glibc23.
[22:08] <fake> o_O
[22:08] <th> uploading *err for you :)
[22:08] <fake> that should read "aborted building package gcc=gcc32"
[22:08] <fake> you have to adopt your pkgsel
[22:08] <th> ok
[22:08] <th> but
[22:08] <th> can i have it compatible?
[22:09] <SMP> :-}
[22:09] <fake> you can call it 'gcc'
[22:09] <fake> then you can select which compiler to use in Config, defaulting to gcc32 (now)
[22:10] <th> fake: well i only have a "/ gcc2 /        { s/^X /O /p; d; };"
[22:10] <th> fake: and no explicit selection of gcc
[22:10] <fake> th: can you push the pksel somewhere?
[22:11] <th> fake: http://thzn.de/rock/config.in
[22:14] <fake> th: wait, i'll test it...
[22:14] <th> SMP: ... and i just gave him the pkgsel ...
[22:17] <treo> I'll quit, c ya and good night :)
[22:17] <SMP> th: he-he
[22:17] <fake> *RRRRRROFFFL*
[22:17] <th> treo: cua
[22:17] <fake> on the net radio: HEY! you're listening to the music on the internet - without paying for it ! you're stealing!
[22:18] <fake> *lmao*
[22:19] <fake> humdidum. here it seems to work
[22:19] <fake> only your config.in and a preconfig.in
[22:19] <fake> see config/$config/packages
[22:19] <th> fake: i just did a svn co trunk and Download
[22:19] <fake> X 01---5---- 101.600 base glibc=glibc23 0000 / base/library 0
[22:19] <th> X 012--5---- 102.300 base gcc=gcc32 0000 / base/development DIETLIBC CC KCC CXX F77 0
[22:19] <fake> yeah
[22:19] <fake> that's correct
[22:20] <th> X 01---5---- 101.600 base glibc=glibc23 0000 / base/library 0
[22:20] <fake> perfect. so - it works. you're hallucinating. go away.
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[22:20] <fake> ;)
[22:20] <th> fake: i'm uploading the err files now. eat this!
[22:20] <fake> *yummy*
[22:21] <th> http://thzn.de/rock/rescue-logs/
[22:21] <th> /home/rock/rescue/trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 979: /home/rock/rescue/trunk/src.gcc32.1095113045.25149.3520564703/dependencies.txt: No such file or directory
[22:21] <fake> ../../gcc/libgcc2.c:2093: warning: no previous prototype for `__stack_smash_handler'
[22:21] <fake> aaaah
[22:21] <fake> i know that.
[22:22] <fake> that's because of missing linux-headers
[22:22] <fake> (not quite obvious, i admit)
[22:23] <_Ragnar_> uh huh
[22:23] <th> fake: well. i did not deselect linux-headers did i?
[22:23] <th> uhh
[22:23] <th> KERNEL /      { s/^X /O /p; d; };
[22:23] <th> / KERNEL /      { s/^X /O /p; d; };
[22:24] <fake> linux.*-header / { p; d; };
[22:24] <fake>  / linux.*-header / { p; d; };
[22:24] <fake>  / linux.* / { p; d; };
[22:24] <th> linux26-src / { s/^X /O /p; d; };
[22:24] <fake> that gives it as config options
[22:25] <fake>  / linux.*-src /                 { s/^X /O / ; p; d; };
[22:25] <fake> the last line doesn't work
[22:25] <fake> it's wrapped in your config now
[22:25] <_Ragnar_> can we make it a little more cryptic plz?:)
[22:25] <fake> j00 b3t w3 c4|
[22:25] <th> _Ragnar_: load your triple-rot13 plugin!
[22:25] <fake> j00 b3t w3 c4|\|
[22:25] <_Ragnar_> ;P
[22:26] <th> fake: so what you tell me i should add?
[22:26] <fake> th: wait, i'll create a diff
[22:26] <th> fake: please keep in mind that it would be nice to keep it building in stable
[22:26] <netrunne1> http://www.gargan.org/linux/snd-bt-sco/  *yes*
[22:26] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner
[22:27] Action: netrunner speaks fluent rot26
[22:27] <th> netrunner: uhh. what is a "alsasound daemon"?
[22:28] <netrunner> th: dunno, sth rhat reads from the bt and feeds the driver or so
[22:29] <th> netrunner: so "alsasound daemon" is bt specific?
[22:29] <fake> not _that's_ obvious
[22:29] <th> fake: EGRAMMAR?
[22:36] <th> netrunner: got this running already?
[22:36] <netrunner> th: I cannot find any other reference to it ... maybe they are talking about the kernel thread
[22:37] <netrunner> th: no. but soon, as I now figured how to use bt ;)
[22:37] <netrunner> ... and asterisk :)
[22:37] <th> netrunner: please keep me informed about that, if you don't mind.
[22:38] <th> netrunner: can you give me some info about what asterisk is?
[22:40] <th> netrunner: found url..
[22:41] <SMP> Asterisk is basically a rather sick a text adventure
[22:41] <th> hehe
[22:41] <netrunner> th: open source pbx supporting a huge variety of protocols
[22:41] <fake> hm hm hm
[22:41] <fake> now*
[22:41] <netrunner> th: I currently use capi, sip and iax2
[22:42] <netrunner> with kphone on my clients, x-lite for windows.
[22:42] <netrunner> currently in conversation over inet ;)
[22:46] <fake> th: can i query you the patch?
[22:46] <th> fake: ack
[22:59] <th> == 09/14/04 00:59:15 =[0]=> Aborted building package gcc32.
[23:02] <SMP> ``This video shows how the new XCOPY deployment capability enables developers to install a Windows-based application simply by copying files to a directory.''
[23:02] <SMP> *lol*
[23:02] <fake> this is great!
[23:02] <fake> have they patented it yet?
[23:04] <th> it's included in the patent for copying multiple files to a directory
[23:04] <th> s,the,their,
[23:04] <SMP> sarcasm aside, indeed it is great
[23:04] <th> whats the greatness about it?
[23:04] <th> i can compile an application and put it into a directory and call it "installed"
[23:05] <fake> compile statically
[23:05] <fake> ... yuck.
[23:05] <SMP> sure. just that it wasn't really feasible for nontrivial apps on Windows
[23:05] <fake>  c:\usr\bin\install.exe
[23:06] <th> now they discovered LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[23:06] <fake> no, i guess they pre-, post-, under-, over-, side-, what-ever load every dll they find
[23:06] <SMP> naah
[23:06] <fake> how's it working, then?
[23:07] <fake> own registry included(tm) ?
[23:08] <SMP> assemblies will be searched first in the directory of the running assembly and then in the GAC, if the reference is a strong reference
[23:09] <SMP> strong reference meaning a reference to a strongname, which is basically a public-key based signature
[23:10] <fake> strongname .. that sounds like .NET
[23:10] <SMP> and instead of registry keys they use XML based .config (formerly known as INI ...) files
[23:10] <SMP> yes, .NET, of course
[23:11] <fake> that sounds like a step back
[23:12] <fake> what's the big deal?
[23:12] Action: fake doesn't get it
[23:14] <th> Downloading download/mirror/g/gcc34-fixes-v2.4.27.patch ...
[23:14] <th> this is again "missing logic" i suppose?
[23:15] <fake> yes
[23:15] <fake> this is really broken c code in the kernel, in the first place
[23:16] <SMP> fake: it simply works. only looks like a step back at first glimpse
[23:17] <SMP> take a look at the .NET runtime directory layout e.g. - it looks more Unix-ish than Windows-ish
[23:17] <netrunner> what a filename ... #btsco.c#
[23:17] <SMP> netrunner: CVS or editor artifact probably?
[23:17] <th> i think there are a lots of "steps backward" i'd consider improvement
[23:17] <fake> SMP: i will do, if i ever get the chance ;)
[23:17] <fake> netrunner: what is nx-X11 all about?
[23:18] <fake> th: for example separating the GUI from the OS kernel again
[23:19] <th> fake: get ready again, download is finishing soon..
[23:19] <th> :-p
[23:20] <fake> i'll get something to bite first
[23:21] <netrunner> fake: a X server with builtin X compression. 
[23:22] <netrunner> fake: I don't know how it managed to be submitted, cannot remember having sent it ...
[23:22] <netrunner> fake: well, it does not hurt. but does not install the X binaries for some reason ... have not had time to continue on it
[23:25] <SMP> fake: talk about how badly GUI and kernel are separated on UNIX - you get the worst of both words ... the X server can still crash the kernel and performance is lousy anyway
[23:27] <SMP> s,words,worlds,
[23:31] <th> .oO( mighty the dark side in him is today... )
[23:31] Action: fake remembering DOS times...
[23:32] <netrunner> is there something like menu_append?
[23:32] <fake> netrunner: you know that you can have the other packages extracted automagically ?
[23:33] <fake> netrunner: @nx-X11
[23:33] <netrunner> fake: they are only extracted, not built.
[23:35] <fake> netrunner: ... okay.
[23:35] <fake> whatever.
[23:35] <fake> ;)
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[23:46] <netrunner> anybody can tell me what __user is and where (maybe in the kernel includes) it should be defined?
[23:47] <netrunner> hm, defined in sysctl ...
[23:47] <fake> compiler.h
[23:48] <fake> #include <linux/compiler.h>
[23:48] <fake> but you should no longer need it for user-space apps in 2.6.8.1 +
[23:48] <fake> 2.6.8 + that is
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[23:50] <netrunner> fake: the bluetooth headset thing is a patch for 2.6.7 ... maybe I should tell him to use the includes under /usr/src/linux/include?
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[23:51] <fake> netrunner: you don't need a kernel patch to do that, usually
[23:52] <fake> the bluetooth audio profile is in the kernel sice 2.4.something
[23:52] <netrunner> fake: it adds some sco endpoint ... dont ask me :)
[23:52] <fake> yeah, sco is the audio profile
[23:53] <fake> netrunner: for now just add #include <linux/compiler.h> in the headerfile using __user
[23:53] <netrunner> giving -I/usr/src/linux/include ... now it brings the usual gcc34 probs
[23:53] <fake> dont' do that
[23:53] <netrunner> fake: this is a headerfile in 2.6 anyway, I accidently copied it to /usr/include/
[23:53] <netrunner> (from the patch)
[23:54] <fake> 2.6.7 had a few missing includes, yes
[23:56] <netrunner> fake: but how should I compile this prog that requests headers it patches into 2.6 src?
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