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--- Log opened Sun Oct 03 00:00:08 2004 01:14:37ωνω Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin, jsaw, rolla, blindcod1r, praenti, SerWou, Freak, rugek, hannes_, th, (+3 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 01:15:31ωνω Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: blindcod1r, Togg 01:15:31ωνω Netsplit over, joins: blindcod1r, Togg, SerWou, praenti, rolla 01:16:44ωνω Netsplit over, joins: valentin, hannes_, jsaw, th, Freak, rugek, mistik1 01:17:13ωνω Netsplit over, joins: blindcod1r, Togg 01:17:13ωνω Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: rolla, praenti, SerWou 01:18:17ωνω Netsplit over, joins: SerWou, praenti, rolla 01:19:51ωνω SMP [~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:38:04ωνω blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 03:09:28ωνω Signoff rugek: #rocklinux ("leaving") 03:55:08ωνω tcr [~tcr@p548798EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 05:25:05ωνω LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has joined #rocklinux 05:25:07<LocalHero> Hi all 05:36:04<Freak> if it's correct what ICQ is saying, it's daja's birthday today! 05:36:13<Freak> but he's not here! 05:36:19<Freak> nor is he somewhere else :) 05:41:38ωνω daja77 [[LEuLampdS@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:43:05ωνω LocalHero [~alex@i301-1.vildanden.afb.lu.se] has left #rocklinux ("Kopete 0.9.0 : https://kopete.kde.org") 05:50:42<daja77> moin 06:00:10<blindcoder> moin daja77 06:00:20<daja77> moin blindcoder 06:41:17* daja77 now off to some mor bday party :) 07:00:57<fake> daja77: happy birthday! 07:01:31ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@p508EA1D6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 07:09:31ωνω nzg is now known as codeguhl 07:22:21<mnemoc> happy birthday daja77, and happy unification thing people 08:05:41<Freak> lol mnemoc :) 08:05:49<Freak> hey daja77: happy birthday. 08:05:59<Freak> daja77: ICQ told me this morning :) 08:06:08<Freak> daja77: so I'm happy it was right ;) 08:09:30<mnemoc> hehe 08:11:41ωνω Signoff [anders]: #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 08:33:51ωνω [anders] [~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 08:49:52<fake> https://maks.sourceforge.net/ 08:49:53<fake> sw33t 08:52:33<mnemoc> err sf on germna :\ 08:53:03<mnemoc> fake: is ovlfs.sf.net good? 09:14:22<fake> mnemoc: *shivers* 09:15:21<fake> mnemoc: shadowfs? svn.clifford.at/shadowfs/trunk/ 09:15:24ωνω [BNAFH] [~tschmidt@pD95F8F4F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:17:01ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 09:17:03<mnemoc> should i asume you dislike ovlfs and consider clifford's better? 09:20:40<fake> mnemoc: ovlfs seems rather old 09:20:55<fake> mnemoc: depends on what you intend to do with such a filesystem 09:21:46<mnemoc> uml's cow ... to have a ro base and allow writes without altering base 09:22:50<fake> that's what shadowfs was written for 09:23:06<fake> it's a ld-preload library, much like the flist wrapper 09:23:32<fake> it doesn't do all operations on files, but that's a design decision that was eruated in 3 implementation approaches 09:23:51<fake> for most cases, the current implementation should suffice. 09:24:05<fake> (the livecd will use this as soon as i have some time spare) 09:24:40<fake> where is TH ??? 09:25:09<fake> damn it. 09:25:37<fake> th is like money - if you need some, there's none left 09:25:38<blindcoder> good question, next question 09:28:17ωνω Signoff [anders]: #rocklinux ("Client exiting") 09:37:24ωνω Signoff codeguhl: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:44:04<mnemoc> fake: does it handle fifo files? 09:46:25<fake> mnemoc: fifo's shouldn't be a problem ? 09:46:42<fake> fifo's are created before they are used 09:47:00<fake> so it's a normal 'file creation' - iirc 09:47:22<mnemoc> yes? flist doesn't detect their creation on 2.0 09:48:59<fake> hm... easy to test... 09:49:13<fake> there are examples and a test case included in the shadowfs checkout 09:50:23<mnemoc> aren't symlinks a too trivial solution? 09:52:14<mnemoc> i was expecting somekind of dirty inode hacking :p 09:53:21<fake> mnemoc: tried that, doesn't pay off 10:45:26ωνω [anders] [~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 11:46:17<netrunne1> re from da wiesn 11:46:21ωνω netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 11:56:35ωνω Signoff [anders]: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 11:58:19ωνω [anders] [~snafu@82-68-84-57.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #rocklinux 12:51:11ωνω Signoff hannes_: #rocklinux (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 12:54:20ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux ("Verlassend") 13:35:56ωνω jmaier [~jmaier@pD9E4BA6E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:36:28<jmaier> he all 13:37:54ωνω treo [~xfman@D8a97.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:38:12<treo> hi 13:48:23ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:20:33ωνω codeguhl [~tschmidt@pD95F8C8C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:20:57ωνω Signoff [BNAFH]: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14:41:50ωνω Signoff jmaier: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15:10:25ωνω Signoff [anders]: #rocklinux (Remote closed the connection) 15:19:56* treo is away: duschen 15:28:08ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux ("Verlassend") 15:44:38* treo is back (gone 00:24:43) 15:57:02ωνω dzafez [~dzafez@p50926382.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 15:57:07<dzafez> hi 15:57:26<netrunner> ho. 15:58:06<dzafez> netrunner, do you know what that inverse smart optimisation is??? 15:59:01<dzafez> does that stand for amusing misuse of compilerflags or is that really a thing meant to help something?? 15:59:33<dzafez> 4 ref. check ./scripts/Config 15:59:58<netrunner> dzafez: it is obscure. it inverts your brain. don't touch it. 16:00:04<dzafez> oh 16:00:10<dzafez> ho 16:00:17<dzafez> == inverted 16:01:33<netrunner> dzafez: afaik is the option only there because it was possible to do it. :) 16:01:49<netrunner> dzafez: how would one pronounce your nick? ;) 16:02:27<dzafez> djaafδδzzzzzz 16:02:35<dzafez> or 16:02:38<dzafez> zerfetz 16:02:48<dzafez> or 16:02:55<dzafez> djaafδδδδίίίίίίί 16:03:00<dzafez> whatever you like 16:03:23<dzafez> whatever you like best 16:03:36<dzafez> creativ new thoughts allways welcome 16:03:37<netrunner> just wondered about the dz 16:03:45<dzafez> heh 16:03:47<dzafez> hehe 16:04:10<dzafez> really I don't voice-chat and so never thought about it 16:04:15<netrunner> ok, if you are brave you can use the smart optimization. but I don't know if the database is already there. 16:05:07<dzafez> I think it might not be tooo much needed since I just do a boot target now, I'll just go for size 16:05:23<dzafez> for the samba-target, I'll make it go for speed 16:05:31<dzafez> thats all 16:06:26<dzafez> actually I have been asked this pronounciation question all saturday on the "Linux Information Weekend" of our LUG 16:07:33<dzafez> There has been a speak about LFS! They (visitors) allways tried to compare automated LFS with Gentoo that was freaky 16:08:34<dzafez> I just explained the Rocklinux concept, in the queston section of the speak and told the people: 16:09:49<netrunner> and, were you bashed out? :) 16:09:54<dzafez> "If you only want to learn, use LFS! If you did that and want to really build now, use Rock, so you can share! If you want to go for Gentoo, do this, but it will only help your own Computer" 16:10:59<dzafez> No noone BASHed me into the /dev/null , they where interested. 16:12:06<netrunner> hm. the concept of rocklinux differs from gentoo and lfs. 16:12:19<dzafez> It was just a information exchange. Not to convince anyone. 16:12:31<dzafez> Yes I know the differences 16:12:42<netrunner> those 2 are used to build _one_ system that will be used in the end. 16:12:54<dzafez> ... read above 16:12:56<dzafez> "If you only want to learn, use LFS! If you did that and want to really build now, use Rock, so you can share! If you want to go for Gentoo, do this, but it will only help your own Computer" 16:13:24<netrunner> oh well, the sharing effect is not that big with rock:) 16:13:45<dzafez> I think it depents on what you do with rock 16:14:15<dzafez> I see it as a interesting way to build minimal systems 16:14:29<dzafez> so they can be hardened by configuration 16:14:46<dzafez> I don't want to flood a admin with software 16:15:03<dzafez> that is the basic thought of my Samba-Distribution 16:15:59<dzafez> We also had someone working with HA-Clustering (Heartbeat...). He will join my Samba Distribution Project 16:17:17<dzafez> We found some funny Ideas... 16:17:25<netrunner> :) 16:17:43<netrunner> people with funny ideas and good references are always welcome. 16:17:54<dzafez> " make the installation possible without a grafixcard" 16:18:08<dzafez> cheaper hardware 16:18:32<dzafez> but it should still be possible 16:18:46<dzafez> so I will have to write my own installer 16:19:07<netrunner> fck. who disabled SMP for the kernel? 16:19:43<netrunner> dzafez: that's not hard, you can use the current one. 16:19:53<dzafez> yes?? 16:20:04<dzafez> " make the installation possible without a grafixcard" 16:20:22<netrunner> you don't have to repeat yourself, my display is heigher than 1 line :) 16:20:23<treo> gn8 16:20:26<dzafez> I'd have to have change some config 16:20:28<netrunner> n8 treo 16:20:29<dzafez> gn8 16:20:36<dzafez> treo, 16:21:07<netrunner> dzafez: yes, in the bootdisk. I think it has been done before, but don't remember exactly. 16:21:18<dzafez> I'd use screen to do the same on the shell that will be spawned on /dev/ttyS0 16:21:40<dzafez> yes I remember it has been don for the router-target ... 16:21:49<dzafez> I'll have to check that 16:22:00<dzafez> anyway ... 16:22:12<dzafez> gn8 I have to work tomorrow 16:22:17<dzafez> thank you 16:22:24<netrunner> n8, much fun. 16:22:29ωνω Signoff dzafez: #rocklinux ("Verlassend") 16:23:06ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux ("cya@all") 16:36:38ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:08:51ωνω Signoff tcr: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:11:47ωνω tschmidt_ [~tschmidt@pD95F8774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:21:05ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 18:47:31<daja77> re 18:47:37<daja77> thx for all the wishes 18:47:46<daja77> Freak: yes you were right 21:01:33ωνω netrunne1 [~andreas@pD9E8CDFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 21:19:13ωνω Signoff netrunner: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:06:10ωνω blindcod1r [~blindcode@pD958FD0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:09:31ωνω Signoff blindcoder: #rocklinux (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22:14:25ωνω tschmidt_ is now known as nzg --- Log closed Mon Oct 04 00:00:47 2004