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--- Log opened Mon Oct 04 00:00:47 2004 00:02:36ωνω Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nzg 00:03:29ωνω Netsplit over, joins: nzg 00:29:16ωνω Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nzg 00:29:47ωνω Netsplit over, joins: nzg --- Log closed Mon Oct 04 00:56:14 2004 --- Log opened Mon Oct 04 00:56:56 2004 00:56:56ωνω mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.44] has joined #rocklinux 00:56:56ωνω Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 00:57:20ωνω Irssi: Join to #rocklinux was synced in 33 secs 01:05:17ωνω Signoff mnemoc: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:02:30ωνω Signoff SerWou: #rocklinux ("ChatZilla 0.9.52B [Mozilla rv:1.6/20040113]") 02:20:00ωνω SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 02:35:00ωνω blindcod1r is now known as blindcoder 02:36:08<blindcoder> moin 02:36:19<dsoul> hi blindcoder 03:25:55ωνω kasc [kasc@dsl-213-023-191-098.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:29:30<blindcoder> moin kasc 03:52:13<kasc> moin 04:06:43ωνω asda [~heirit@adsl-62-167-66-79.adslplus.ch] has joined #rocklinux 04:16:18ωνω netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 04:31:31ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04:38:28* netrunner throwing a big creamy tart at daja77 04:39:26* blindcoder catches itr in mid-air and immediately eats it 04:43:12<asda> Does anybody know why syslog-ng breaks in pre-stable 2.0.3? 04:43:35<netrunner> blindcoder: bad for your shape ;) 04:45:12<blindcoder> netrunner: no, good! If I loose too much weight, my skin will fall together (verschrumpeln :P) 04:46:46ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8774.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 04:48:37<netrunner> oh, I just noticed that the date on my watch is one day behind ... 04:48:50<blindcoder> tsktsk 04:49:12* netrunner throwing another creamy tart, spawning a timehole in middle-air to yesterday, still aimed at daja77 :) 04:49:25<blindcoder> *lol* 04:49:48<netrunner> that nobody invented a mechanism for those watches to recognize short months... 04:50:17<blindcoder> well, breitling idi 04:50:18<blindcoder> did 04:50:39<netrunner> blindcoder: breitling is not my price category :) 04:51:06<blindcoder> that's entirely unrelated to the aforementioned problem :) 04:52:58<netrunner> blindcoder: well, then you could suggest using a caesium clock 04:53:52<blindcoder> breitling came to mind first :) 04:55:18<netrunner> since we were talking about shapes anyway, no? ;) 04:56:21<blindcoder> :P 05:09:07<asda> wtf is the targe "Rock Linux for VIA EPIA M"? 05:12:04<blindcoder> netrunner: that's your thing, no? 05:14:31<asda> I do have a Epia M6000 on which I want to run ROCK as a WLAN-Access-Point. But I allready spent 1 week for ROCK and still got nothing 05:14:55<asda> 2.0.2 had wrong package depencies -> no chroot possible 05:15:15<asda> pre-2.0.3 broke at various packages (ex. syslog-ng) 05:15:32ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:15:42<asda> that's why I'm now thinking about "Adamantix" or somethink like it 05:17:31<netrunner> asda: well, it contains some patches for glibc iirc, that remove the usage of the cmov instruction. further there are drivers for the buitlin mpeg decoder and a Xfree driver for the cle266. 05:17:45<asda> cool... 05:18:06<netrunner> asda: it can be that the patches don't apply to recent versions, I had no time to adapt them to the recent updates... 05:18:07<asda> So it's a "generic rock linux" with the ability to compile as i686 05:18:38<asda> ok. So I'm going to use i586 with "generic rock"... I don't want any compile trouble anymore ;) 05:18:40<netrunner> asda: yes, that was the purpose. but you need to use gcc34 for it, as the older gccs produce broken code when you forbid them the cmov. 05:19:16<netrunner> asda: according to benchmarks, the fastest optimization without tricks for my epia m 10000 (ezra) is the k6/2 optimization. 05:19:29<netrunner> asda: maybe you want to run the cbench test suite. 05:19:47<asda> I don't need the best performance but the biggest stability 05:23:36<asda> pentium-mmx is i586, right? so what's "via cyrix3/via-c3"? 05:25:58<netrunner> asda: cyrix was a processor that came to the markets the same time as pentium, but for trademark issues was always only called i586 05:26:22ωνω Signoff praenti: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:26:42<netrunner> asda: via-c3 is the processor built into the epia mainbords. there exist two different cores, the c3 with the ezra core and the newer c3-II with the nemiah core. 05:26:53<asda> I understand... 05:26:56<netrunner> (change was around the epiam10000 05:27:11<asda> I do have the Epia M6000 -> C3 Samuel2 05:27:12<netrunner> I have the 10k with the ezra, the nemiah came some month later. 05:28:01<netrunner> ok. the via-c3 optimization is only available in the gcc34 anyway. 05:28:25<asda> ok. But gcc34 isn't that stable at moment!? 05:28:37<blindcoder> why shouldn't ti? 05:28:40<blindcoder> it? 05:29:09<asda> because I tried it some weeks ago on my gentoo-desktop and several packages crashed! 05:29:13<netrunner> blindcoder: it produces broken code (sometimes). the optimizers are not perfect. 05:29:42<netrunner> asda: I have multiple complete systems running on gcc34. only problem I have is with sdl. 05:29:49<blindcoder> netrunner: well, I only noticed that in 3-groff with the infamous Pentrium4 opt 05:43:37<daja77> netrunner: :p 05:49:15<netrunner> daja77: hit? :) 05:49:45<daja77> *gg* 05:56:16ωνω guidob [guidob@guidob.staff.freenode] has joined #rocklinux 05:56:32<guidob> hi 06:06:00ωνω kasc_ [kasc@dsl-213-023-206-079.arcor-ip.net] has joined #rocklinux 06:08:38ωνω guidob [guidob@guidob.staff.freenode] has left #rocklinux () 06:14:09ωνω Signoff kasc: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:14:10ωνω kasc_ is now known as kasc 06:53:07<th> uh oh oh 06:53:08<th> re 06:53:15<th> lot's of highlights in away time 06:53:22<th> let's handle them in order 06:53:30<th> blindcoder: pong 06:53:30<th> blindcoder: pong 06:53:41<blindcoder> :) 06:53:56<th> blindcoder: no. you can't rely on my "i committed" msg's in sm 06:54:05<daja77> hi th 06:54:22<th> blindcoder: i just use them sometimes as catalyst 06:54:45<th> blindcoder: if you want such thing - subscribe to subversion commit mails 06:55:12<blindcoder> th: yes, I am. I used that one now to do that :) 06:55:19<th> 2k 06:55:22<th> s,2,, 06:55:49<th> mnemoc_: now i am 06:56:17ωνω mtr [~michael@Gb629.g.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 06:57:18* th is reading backlog 07:01:21<netrunner> hi th 07:02:28<th> yea hi 07:02:53<daja77> th: what about a trip to dresden ;) 07:03:12<th> daja77: at the end of october i suppose 07:03:16<daja77> yep 07:03:31<daja77> of course you can go there any time you want ;) 07:09:10<th> daja77: quite a long trip 07:10:00<daja77> 3-4h i think, if not driving too fast 07:10:41ωνω Signoff SerWou: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07:10:42<daja77> 250km i guess 07:20:47<th> i'll think about it 07:24:00<daja77> ok :) 07:40:48ωνω Signoff mtr: #rocklinux ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.1/20040921]") 07:45:12ωνω madtux [~mike@cable200-58-202-67.epm.net.co] has joined #rocklinux 07:45:18<madtux> hello 07:48:25<asda> are there that many missing-files in the trunk? scripts/Download -required isn't able to download linux-source/gawk/tar etc 07:48:48<daja77> hey madtux 07:49:08<daja77> what error message you got? 07:49:50<th> asda: talking of 2.0-stable? 07:50:10<madtux> daja77, greetings from colombia :) 07:50:28<asda> no, the devel-trunk 07:50:51<blindcoder> moin madtux 07:50:55<asda> updated via Update-src 07:51:15<madtux> hello blindy 07:53:07<th> blindcoder: i really like that sort of report 07:53:28<daja77> madtux: hey have nice stay there :) 07:53:35<blindcoder> th: thanks. but for next month there will be some changes 07:53:41<blindcoder> th: in the stats mostly 07:54:12<blindcoder> th: btw. I'll expect a report on the work in 2.0-stable until end of the month. 100 words :-) 07:55:17<blindcoder> th: I wanted to include something this month already but I didn't reach you 07:56:27<madtux> daja77, thanks.. i'm leaving tomorrow actually, remeber i'm supposed to go to brazil 07:57:34<daja77> yeah so when you'll go to brazil? 07:57:42<daja77> guess i already asked ... 07:58:03<madtux> daja77, tomorrow mourning 07:58:15<madtux> i made a short business stop here in colombia first 07:58:49<daja77> ic hf :) 08:00:37<madtux> well work awaites.. see ya later :) 08:00:56ωνω Signoff madtux: #rocklinux ("Leaving") 08:00:56<daja77> cu 08:06:25<th> btw: subversion 1.1.0 is released 08:07:50<daja77> cool 08:08:20<daja77> .oO (I really have to work on that subversion talk for oct) 08:23:06ωνω SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:35:43ωνω treo [~xfman@D906b.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 08:54:38<mnemoc_> moin 08:55:39ωνω You're now known as mnemoc 08:56:12<daja77> moin mnemoc 08:57:37<mnemoc> hi daja77 09:13:38ωνω De_Elsasser [~eric@ANancy-110-1-8-164.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #rocklinux 09:13:45<De_Elsasser> ave 09:14:07<daja77> hi De_Elsasser 09:14:33<De_Elsasser> hi daja77 :_( 09:14:39<daja77> hm? 09:15:16<mnemoc> ? 09:37:39<netrunner> re 10:33:40<mnemoc> re 11:14:40ωνω tcr [~tcr@p54879B74.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:49:26ωνω Signoff asda: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:03:08<blindcoder> heh, now why am I not surprised :) 12:03:25<daja77> about what 12:03:29<mnemoc> abauy what? 12:03:52<blindcoder> see mailinglist 12:04:52<mnemoc> rene's release? 12:04:56<blindcoder> yes 12:07:38<daja77> hm 12:14:45* blindcoder noting it in his newsletter-memo 12:17:35* blindcoder a bit away, ironing 12:34:29* valentin driving home now 12:34:31<valentin> cu later 12:39:27ωνω mesut [~power@mesut.user] has joined #rocklinux 12:39:38<mesut> hi 12:40:02<mnemoc> hi 12:40:18ωνω huseyin [~huseyin@stahlgewitter.user] has joined #rocklinux 12:40:31<mesut> just found rocklinux, seems interesting. 12:40:33<huseyin> moin 12:41:07<mnemoc> moin 12:41:17<mesut> mnemoc, this has a port ssytem right ? 12:42:12<mnemoc> i'm not used to BSD concepts, what do you mean? 12:42:33<mesut> whats the package management ? 12:42:51<mesut> like debians apt-get, gentoo's emerge ? or redhats rpm 12:43:21<mnemoc> like gentoo's emerge and like redhats rpm (.gem) 12:43:52<mesut> no compiling rite ? 12:43:58<mnemoc> the product of a rock build is a bunch of .gem file to install, like .rpm 12:44:34<mesut> using Gentoo makes my lappie hot, im searching something like but without compiling (not debian :)) 12:44:40<mnemoc> on a running machine of a rock unmaintained sub-distro you can use emerge (compiling in localy) as on gentoo 12:44:41<tcr> mesut, Actually, it has all three. 12:45:01<mnemoc> tcr: is rocket working? 12:45:04<tcr> mesut, (BSD ports, gentoo's emerge and rpms) 12:45:18ωνω nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F82CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 12:45:28<tcr> All quite partially howsoever. 12:45:33<mesut> cool, ill try it. 12:45:51<huseyin> mesut: the show must go on :P 12:46:01* mesut is going to drop suse from the old box 12:46:07<mesut> huseyin, :D 12:53:04<huseyin> Das werde ich neben gentoo mal testen.. Gibts es auch deutschsprachige user im Chan ? Mein englisch ist schlecht fόr chat zwecke .. 12:54:34<tcr> huseyin, If you look at the hosts, you'll see that most people in here come from Germany or some other country where German is spoken. 12:55:27<mesut> tcr: probably he wont understand that :) 12:55:48<mesut> huseyin, diyo ki, hostname lere bak, ηoπu insan ya almanyadan ya da almanca konuώulan yerden 12:56:26<mnemoc> mesut: english please 12:56:38<blindcoder> puh, I really shouldn't let this pile up like that 12:56:53<mesut> mnemoc, huseyin doesnt speak it. i translated tcr's sentence to turkish. 12:57:23<mnemoc> i see 12:58:03<huseyin> thanks 12:58:05ωνω huseyin [~huseyin@stahlgewitter.user] has left #rocklinux ("Leaving") 12:58:30<mnemoc> uhm... come back!!!! 12:58:32<mnemoc> :\ 13:00:20<mesut> :D 13:00:37<mnemoc> :p 13:01:09<mesut> lets start to read the handbook... 13:01:31<mesut> The ROCK Linux handbook is currently under creation. It already contains around 130 A4 pages - or, if layouted for book form, over 150 pages! 13:01:33<mesut> :O 13:02:31<mnemoc> it's a loong book 13:02:31<mesut> 1st disadvantage is support. #gentoo has always over 900 ppl 13:02:42<mnemoc> true 13:02:52<mnemoc> #gentoo is very popular 13:03:22<mesut> you must see the netsplit in #gentoo .. lol 13:03:31<blindcoder> well, comparing apples and oranges is always difficult 13:03:31<mnemoc> hehe 13:03:49<mnemoc> rocklinux is not a distribution, then it can't get popular 13:03:56<mesut> blindcoder, rock~gentoo comperision is in the rock handbook :P 13:04:24<blindcoder> mesut: well, I never read it :) 13:04:29<mesut> mnemoc, yes, seems for developers. 13:04:31<mnemoc> mesut: the handbook may tell you what ROCKLinux is 13:04:54<mesut> https://dl.rocklinux-consulting.de/rock-handbook/html/rock-handbookse2.html#x11-100002.2 on the bottom 13:05:41<mnemoc> yes :) 13:06:26<mesut> "sophisticated wrappers" err what does that mean 13:07:18<mnemoc> an script or library between what programs run and what programs want to run 13:07:56<mnemoc> gcc, cp, open(), write() for example 13:16:05ωνω _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:18:22<_Ragnar_> hi 13:18:25ωνω _Ragnar_ is now known as Ragnar 13:19:22ωνω Ragnar is now known as Ragnar0k 13:20:03ωνω [BNAFH] [~tschmidt@p508EBCF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:20:08ωνω Signoff codeguhl: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13:20:21ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:21:10ωνω treo [~xfman@D906b.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:21:22ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Read error: 232 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:23:49<Ragnar0k> should make a autoconn. entry for freenode ;P 13:26:37ωνω treo [~xfman@D906b.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:33:59ωνω |treo| [~xfman@Da784.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:34:09<|treo|> re 13:42:32ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13:42:56ωνω Signoff |treo|: #rocklinux (Connection reset by peer) 13:44:37ωνω |treo| [~xfman@Da784.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:44:56ωνω Signoff |treo|: #rocklinux (Success) 13:45:43ωνω |treo| [~xfman@Da784.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:45:53ωνω Signoff |treo|: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:48:51ωνω |treo| [~xfman@Db1bb.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:53:16ωνω treo [~xfman@D8530.d.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 13:55:02ωνω Signoff |treo|: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:00:26ωνω Signoff treo: #rocklinux (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:01:52<netrunner> mnemoc: the rock handboock will probably soon be renamed to t2 handbook :) 14:03:58<blindcoder> heh 14:31:14ωνω jmaier [~jmaier@HSI-KBW-082-212-036-226.hsi.kabelbw.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:42:53ωνω Signoff nzg: #rocklinux ("Verlassend") 15:26:22ωνω [BNAFH] is now known as nzg 15:42:56ωνω Signoff jmaier: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:28:46ωνω ringo [ringo78@194.109.21.2] has joined #rocklinux 16:29:20ωνω Signoff mesut: #rocklinux ("Leaving") 16:37:05<ringo> windows sucks big time 16:37:20<daja77> hey ringo 16:37:26<ringo> hi daja77 16:37:30<ringo> how are you ? 16:37:47<ringo> kill all what is left of m$ 16:38:07<daja77> i am fine thx 16:38:56<ringo> Nice to hear I was fine untill I had to do things with WXP systems 16:40:13<daja77> ic :) 16:41:09<ringo> Really users do all sorts of suff whenn they are admin and then they come and complain about spyware and other s**t 16:42:27<ringo> (sorry for the complaining here) 16:42:35<daja77> :) 16:48:05ωνω Signoff De_Elsasser: #rocklinux (Read error: 238 (Connection timed out)) 16:57:11ωνω Signoff ringo: #rocklinux ("leaving") 16:57:41ωνω ringo [ringo78@194.109.21.2] has joined #rocklinux 16:58:08ωνω Signoff ringo: #rocklinux (Client Quit) 16:59:34ωνω Signoff Freak: #rocklinux (Read error: 242 (No route to host)) 17:04:45ωνω Signoff tcr: #rocklinux (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:11:15ωνω praenti [~praenti@mail.obster.org] has joined #rocklinux 17:11:17<praenti> hi 17:11:34* praenti 's dsl problems now solved... 17:12:54<praenti> hmm. most people are sleeping already i think. and my room is a little bit cold... 17:13:04<daja77> hi praenti 17:13:18<praenti> ahh. cool. hi daja77 17:13:38<praenti> looks like i should invest some minutes 17:13:40* daja77 still needs to order dsl 17:13:49<daja77> invest into what? 17:14:03<praenti> daja77: in talking :-) 17:14:30<daja77> hehe 17:14:35<daja77> spend your words 17:14:48<praenti> i had a malfunction in my dsl line since lunch 17:15:08<praenti> but since an hour it is working again :-) 17:15:14<daja77> ah 17:15:32<praenti> daja77: but what i wanted to ask is how you think about the T2 mails 17:16:00<praenti> i have written a mail about a few minutes ago 17:16:47<praenti> and i hate my windows xp (which i booted to check s.th.). results always in wrong timzone... 17:17:03<daja77> what's wrong with that mail 17:17:40<praenti> this sounds for me like kindergarten 17:17:55<praenti> also the postings of some other people 17:18:33<daja77> in fact i like it that these information is shared with us and the project refers to us as the base of it, that's fair 17:18:47<praenti> T2 is as i can remember an own thing of rene and some other people. why they must post theier announcement on our lists even they want nothing to do with our team anymore 17:19:06<valentin> praenti: thats plain wrong. 17:19:20<praenti> but then the talk should be done in another tone 17:19:34<daja77> what tone are you speaking of 17:19:44<daja77> it was an announcement 17:19:45<valentin> rxr said he'll fully part from rock, I did not, and some other ppl like mnemoc do not want either 17:19:57<daja77> yes 17:20:09<daja77> i see no point in fighting t2 17:20:27<valentin> praenti: i know the announcement sounded quite 'rock pissing', but what to you expect from rxr at this time ? 17:20:44<daja77> i see it as a friendly competition with the possibility of code sharing 17:20:48<praenti> valentin: that was the point. 17:21:25<praenti> i want the competition, because this will be IMHO good for both projects 17:21:35<daja77> agreed 17:21:47<valentin> i tell rene to overwork the text on the t2 site and to remove all those "ugly hacks" in flavor of terms like "we think thats better, because...." 17:21:52<praenti> valentin: perhaps, then i get rene wrong when he left our project 17:22:43<praenti> valentin: and i know rene. but i want that he should not take a tone like "rock pissed" even i can understand him in some points 17:23:46<valentin> me too. 17:24:43<daja77> valentin: btw happy birthday even when I am late :) 17:24:45<praenti> valentin: so please forget my the second paragraph in my mail, as i write in there 17:24:50<valentin> he has a personal problem with two or three ppl here. mix with disagreement in technical questions, and you have what was needed... 17:24:58<praenti> ahh. right. Happy BIRTHDAY valentin 17:25:24<valentin> danke 17:25:32<valentin> thanks i mean 17:25:34<daja77> valentin: so he used my bday for release :) 17:25:42<praenti> valentin: i thought that this is not really part of ROCK anymore 17:25:44<valentin> happy birthday daja ! 17:25:48<daja77> think we got that :) 17:25:50<daja77> thx 17:26:08<praenti> valentin: but you have said me that this is not right. perhaps you can leave some words on that on the list 17:27:14<valentin> damn, i should stop forwarding mails to rxr :( 17:27:22<valentin> he likes to hit back 17:28:19<praenti> valentin: ... seen that just now. 17:29:25<daja77> oh damn i haven't seen the rest of the flame 17:31:40<praenti> can anyone translate "der klόgere gibt nach" 17:32:21<valentin> :) 17:32:55<praenti> have it 17:33:36<praenti> dict.tu-chemnitz.de was more helpful than dict.leo.org *g* 17:33:53<daja77> i am not surprised that clifford takes that issue as personal as rene does, unfortunately that fight does not help anyone 17:33:59<daja77> :) 17:34:47<praenti> daja77: fully agreed 17:35:37<praenti> ok. new mail from me out :-) 17:35:58<praenti> hoping that this will not result in a flamewar... and hoping that this is not too late 17:36:35<valentin> i'll stop repling to flames, as hard as it is, but that is the only way to stop that war :) 17:37:02<valentin> daja: ack 17:41:13<praenti> perhaps i should go to bed. 17:41:36<daja77> n8 praenti 17:41:44<valentin> n8 17:41:46<praenti> i'm a little tierd and obtuse. gn8 17:42:01* praenti sleeping 17:42:27<SMP> the only flame in that thread was Rene's announcement in Valentin's first text 17:43:23<SMP> it was offensive, and the T2 team should be proud of their work and not diss other people's work in the announcement 17:43:29<daja77> and the response to clifford 17:43:56<daja77> from 23:11 17:44:57<SMP> nontheless, it was interesting as I did not know T2 existed before. but I would prefer that you not post offensive announcements in the future 17:45:05<netrunner> re 17:45:10<valentin> SMP: ack 17:46:10<daja77> *sigh* i really regret that there was no way of talking on dev meeting or a different occasion 17:47:07* netrunner thinks arguing about the text in the mentioned mail is like arguing about why drunk people ad wies'n behave like they do. 17:48:20* netrunner throwing a big creamy tart at valentin 17:49:02<SMP> I don't care how much Rene or anyone flames ROCK. just keep it off our mailing list please 17:50:45<netrunner> this is somehow like the announcement of ICE on the CORBA mailing list :) 17:51:44<daja77> i won't further comment as everything necessary already has been said 17:55:35* SMP wants a CORBA implementation for PHP 17:57:19<SMP> oh, wait. there's ICE for C# and ICEphp.. hmm :-> 17:57:37* netrunner just held his left finger back from the 'r' ... 17:58:13<netrunner> SMP: if you are interested in ICE I can forward you the affected chapters of my bachelors thesis ;) (once they are finished) 17:59:04<SMP> netrunner: huh. what's the topic of that thesis? 18:00:49<netrunner> SMP: classification of networked virtual environments 18:01:02<netrunner> to be finished November 14th 18:01:57<SMP> what the hell are networked virtual environments? 18:05:27ωνω clifford [~clifford@83-64-18-128.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:05:37<netrunner> SMP: you simulate a world using a large distributed network of servers and clients. 18:05:41<clifford> hi people! 18:05:48<netrunner> hi cliffi! :) 18:05:51<daja77> hi clifford 18:06:02* clifford is frustrated. 18:06:16<daja77> guess i know why 18:06:18<netrunner> SMP: there exist different implementations, earlier they were used for military simulation, nowadays the main application is MMORPGs 18:06:28* netrunner throwing the last piece of tart at clifford 18:06:54<clifford> I just got a mail from rene in which he "offered" my to sell www.rocklinux-consulting.de to me if I don't want him to use the name ROCK Linux for his thing. 18:07:12<netrunner> clifford: that came to rlml. 18:07:13<daja77> that was on the list too ... 18:07:56<netrunner> clifford: I think he didn't want to sell it but he said you can have it if you pay the remaining months he had to pay in advance. 18:07:58<daja77> this is a mail not to reply to imho 18:08:06<clifford> ah' yes - the usual thing. 18:08:18<clifford> rene also added me directly on the to: field. 18:08:28<daja77> yes 18:08:52<clifford> that causes mailman to not forward the mail to me and so my replies are always not seen on the list.. 18:09:16<clifford> .. which is much better this time. 18:09:22<netrunner> ack 18:09:34<daja77> in fact i considered this a private mail which shouldn't have been on the list anyway 18:09:52<netrunner> n8 18:10:04* daja77 gives cookies to clifford 18:10:36<SMP> don't bother unless they're space-cookies ;p 18:10:49<daja77> hehe 18:11:09<daja77> in fact they would calm him down 18:11:16<netrunner> cat /mnt/c:/My\ Files/Administrator/Local\ Settings/Cookies/* 18:11:27<clifford> usually I wouldn't have problems with space cookies - but right now I have a flu and shound't take any drugs.. 18:12:29<clifford> netrunner: you really have a mount point "/mtn/c:" - with the ":" ?!? oh god.. ;-) 18:14:56* daja77 should tyr to sync to rock this week for a new build :) 18:14:57<clifford> .. so: what is it? what am I doing wrong? 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