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[11:27] <treo> sali
[11:33] <blindcoder> moin
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[14:03] <Riccardone> what's RockLinux ?
[14:05] <blindcoder> a distribution build kit
[14:06] <Riccardone> ahh i was thinking about a software for music developing ...
[14:07] <blindcoder> no, sorry
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[14:10] <daja77> hehe
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[14:39] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA
[14:39] <blindcoder> Misspelled word: usr
[14:39] <blindcoder> Replace with: lusr
[14:43] <daja77> hm?
[14:43] <blindcoder> mozilla's spell checker :)
[14:44] <daja77> hehe
[14:46] <blindcoder> I'd really like clifford to take a stand in the menu creation thing
[15:02] <fake> regarding that: i think smp is right about not adding things that need to be done manually.
[15:02] <blindcoder> so propose an altearnative
[15:02] <fake> creating a basic .desktop file (if none is shipped) using the .desc information is possible
[15:02] <fake> but i wouldn't want that
[15:03] <fake> in one mail you said 'the user shouldn't "guess" what's on his system'
[15:03] <blindcoder> yeah
[15:03] <fake> i agree - the user should _KNOW_ _exactly_ what's availible
[15:03] <fake> and why
[15:04] <blindcoder> ok, so someone downloading a generic build and installing it completely knows exactly what's installed?
[15:04] <fake> if he installs it completely, he's aware that there will be things he doesn't need
[15:04] <fake> and he won't notice a missing menu entry
[15:04] <fake> like, for bacterium
[15:05] <daja77> that's not the point
[15:05] <fake> or webmin
[15:05] <blindcoder> well, but staying with the example of kde, it doesn't even show mozilla or firefox
[15:05] <fake> if he needs one, it's so easy to add them manually in kde or gnome...
[15:05] <daja77> it sucks to do this with more than one
[15:05] <fake> that's indeed annoying, i have to admit, but i think mozilla/firefox should ship .desktop files that are correct
[15:06] <blindcoder> kdebase: opt/kde32/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/mozilla.desktop
[15:06] <blindcoder> but it doesn't show up
[15:06] <fake> hm...
[15:06] <fake> well, to be honest i don't care much about this topic
[15:07] <fake> i just don't want to add more items to be done manually
[15:07] <fake> keep it automated (tm)
[15:08] <blindcoder> if it were possible to automate it, I'd be all for it
[15:09] <blindcoder> if it were me, just do a for x in `grep [^s]bin/ /var/adm/flists/*` ; do register_application $x ; done
[15:09] <blindcoder> but that's not feasible, either
[15:10] <fake> hm, desktop file = application name + binary file location and name + other fluff, right?
[15:10] <blindcoder> right
[15:11] <blindcoder> but as far as I can see most of the .desktop files in clifford's list come from kde and gnome directly
[15:11] <blindcoder> not from the applications
[15:11] <fake> this sucks
[15:11] <blindcoder> indeed
[15:12] <blindcoder> not to mention that the desktop specification is not at 1.0 yet and the pre-1.0 have a dozen-odd exceptions to handle
[15:12] <fake> then let's just wait and create .desktop files for mozilla, firefox and thunderbird by hand...
[15:12] <blindcoder> then we can do the register_application, too if we want to do it by hand
[15:12] <fake> i would'n expect others to be present, ...
[15:13] <fake> as a temporary solution, i mean
[15:13] <blindcoder> btw, creating .desktop files from the register'd apps would be a lot easier
[15:13] <blindcoder> well, I'd expect asc, bzflag and other games to be present
[15:13] <fake> wuah
[15:13] <fake> not on my desktop!
[15:14] <blindcoder> the world doesn't rotate around you (not around me, either, for that matter)
[15:14] <fake> that's exactly what i wanted to say with that outbreak ;)
[15:14] <blindcoder> well, register_application would put a file in /usr/share/rock-registry/app which will be added to the .gem
[15:15] <blindcoder> so that wouldn't be a problem at all if you don't install that package
[15:15] <fake> why /usr/share ? i thought such information belings to /var/adm/...
[15:15] <fake> *belongs
[15:15] <blindcoder> no, the rock-registry is in /usr/share
[15:15] <fake> even for packages in prefix /opt ?
[15:16] <fake> for example?
[15:16] <blindcoder> yes
[15:16] <fake> *shivers*
[15:16] <blindcoder> no, that is correct
[15:16] <blindcoder> the rock-registry is not directly connected to the package
[15:16] <blindcoder> so it has its own place
[15:16] <fake> if it were a standalone package
[15:17] <fake> nah, i don't care enough about this problem to talk hours about it
[15:17] <blindcoder> :)
[15:17] Action: fake will phone with clifford later
[15:18] <daja77> :)
[15:18] <fake> maybe he has an opinion on that
[15:18] <blindcoder> thanks
[15:18] <fake> no, that's not only because of the register app thing
[15:18] <blindcoder> if he says it's crap, I'll at least keep it with myself and not bother the mailinglist with it anymore :)
[15:18] <fake> mostly because of 30th oct.
[15:18] <blindcoder> of course, but if you'd ask him that'd be nice of you :)
[15:18] <fake> snd the archmapper
[15:19] <blindcoder> not that I want to imply you being nice
[15:19] <fake> blindcoder: i will, but i won't be online again until saturday, so it won't help you much ;))
[15:19] <blindcoder> tell him to send a mail to the list if or if he's not against the idea in general
[15:20] <fake> okay
[15:20] <blindcoder> thanks ;-)
[15:20] <fake> i'm off again now
[15:20] <daja77> cu fake 
[15:20] <fake> cya
[15:20] <blindcoder> bye
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[15:33] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[15:33] <esden> hi ho everyone
[15:33] <esden> hi blindcoder  ;)
[15:34] <esden> puhh all paperwork for tomorrow finished
[15:34] <blindcoder> paperwork?
[15:34] <esden> yes ... "ausbildungsvertrag" for the first practical semester and request for grade accounting 
[15:35] <blindcoder> urgs
[15:35] <esden> so I can give it tomorrow away at Rosenheim
[15:35] <blindcoder> hand it in :-)
[15:35] <blindcoder> don't just give it away to strangers
[15:35] <esden> I had to write a paper containing the content of my lectures
[15:35] <esden> that was a nasty work
[15:35] <esden> because to find it it is really difficult
[15:36] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... thanks ;)
[15:36] <esden> now I need nicotine!
[15:36] Action: esden brb
[15:36] <blindcoder> tststs
[15:36] Action: blindcoder hands esden a fine coffee
[15:36] <blindcoder> better than nicotine
[15:37] <esden> ohh thanks ... you are my god ;)
[15:37] Action: esden takes the coffee and leaves with it for a cigarette ;)
[15:37] <blindcoder> AH!
[16:04] <esden> re
[16:05] <blindcoder> that was a looong cigarette :)
[16:05] <esden> yes ;)
[16:06] <esden> I visited markus in the production
[16:06] <blindcoder> I see
[16:06] <netrunne1> reruelps
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[16:07] <blindcoder> bleargh
[16:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: you stink
[16:07] <netrunner> just finished breakfast.
[16:07] <esden> netrunner you make air bad
[16:07] <esden> leave it!
[16:07] <netrunner> 3 kinds of self-made semmels, self made wachauertorte ...mjam
[16:08] Action: esden is getting back to hungry mode already
[16:08] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:08] <blindcoder> two hours until dinner
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[17:29] <netrunner> hm, who sent those mails about kmail/gnupg some time ago? 
[17:29] <netrunner> can't find the related patches ...
[17:35] <daja77> smp and me
[17:36] <daja77> the gnupg2 package and stuff
[17:37] <netrunner> daja77: is it in trunk?
[17:37] <netrunner> ah, ic
[17:38] <netrunner> daja77: can I install it parallel to gnupg? what else do I need besides the libksba and libgcrypt and gpgme (all of which I updated)
[17:38] <netrunner> ?
[17:39] <daja77> you can install that in pararllel
[17:40] <daja77> + libassuan
[17:40] <daja77> and pth
[17:41] <netrunner> yes, just got the missing pth complaint :) updatingnbuilding...
[17:41] <daja77> ^^
[17:54] <netrunner> daja77: where should gpgsm come from?
[17:54] <daja77> dunno
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[17:56] <netrunner> *** Could not find GpgSM, install GpgSM or use --with-gpgsm=PATH to enable it
[17:56] <netrunner> (from gpgme)
[17:56] <netrunner> and because of this, kmail doesn't do s/mime crypto..
[18:50] <SMP> netrunner: yes, I know this
[18:51] <SMP> netrunner: gpgsm is another part of gnupg2, but we tell gnupg2 to only build the gpg-agent at the moment
[18:52] <SMP> netrunner: gnupg2 configure can be told to build more programs and skip those that conflict with gnupg 1.x
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[19:24] <treo> away, party xD
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[19:31] <netrunner> SMP: all I want is that kmail displays blindy's signed mails :)
[19:32] <blindcoder> who's cursing about me?
[19:32] <daja77> so changing the configure opts for gnupg2 is the wax to go i think
[19:33] Action: blindcoder taking a bath and then relaxing with a book
[19:33] <blindcoder> bye
[19:33] <daja77> cu blindcoder 
[19:36] <netrunner> cu blindy
[19:39] <SMP> netrunner: I've done this ..
[19:40] <daja77> sm patch?
[19:42] <SMP> ./.
[19:45] <netrunner> sm send :)
[19:46] <SMP> but his mails are pgp/mime signed, not s/mime ...
[19:46] <netrunner> hm.
[19:46] <SMP> don't have a working sm tree ATM
[19:47] <netrunner> no surprise, who has such a thing ;)
[19:47] <daja77> hehe
[19:47] <daja77> you can send me the diff and i post it via submaster if you like
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[19:52] <SMP> I have no idea which tree I used to build the package, or if I even have that tree, but it's obvious if you look at the configure --help output
[19:53] <SMP> to skip building gnupg only
[19:53] <SMP> gpg, that would be
[19:54] <daja77> will have a look at that soon
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[20:01] <esden> re
[20:03] <daja77> esden!!!111
[20:10] <esden> hi daja77 
[20:15] <daja77> :)
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