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[12:16] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: "leaving" [12:26] kasc (~kasc@dsl-213-023-210-247.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:26] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [14:02] Riccardone (~anaconda@ppp-207-225.98-62.inwind.it) joined #rocklinux. [14:03] <Riccardone> what's RockLinux ? [14:05] <blindcoder> a distribution build kit [14:06] <Riccardone> ahh i was thinking about a software for music developing ... [14:07] <blindcoder> no, sorry [14:07] Riccardone (~anaconda@ppp-207-225.98-62.inwind.it) left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting"). [14:10] <daja77> hehe [14:30] rockbot joined #rocklinux. [14:39] <blindcoder> MUAHAHA [14:39] <blindcoder> Misspelled word: usr [14:39] <blindcoder> Replace with: lusr [14:43] <daja77> hm? [14:43] <blindcoder> mozilla's spell checker :) [14:44] <daja77> hehe [14:46] <blindcoder> I'd really like clifford to take a stand in the menu creation thing [15:02] <fake> regarding that: i think smp is right about not adding things that need to be done manually. [15:02] <blindcoder> so propose an altearnative [15:02] <fake> creating a basic .desktop file (if none is shipped) using the .desc information is possible [15:02] <fake> but i wouldn't want that [15:03] <fake> in one mail you said 'the user shouldn't "guess" what's on his system' [15:03] <blindcoder> yeah [15:03] <fake> i agree - the user should _KNOW_ _exactly_ what's availible [15:03] <fake> and why [15:04] <blindcoder> ok, so someone downloading a generic build and installing it completely knows exactly what's installed? [15:04] <fake> if he installs it completely, he's aware that there will be things he doesn't need [15:04] <fake> and he won't notice a missing menu entry [15:04] <fake> like, for bacterium [15:05] <daja77> that's not the point [15:05] <fake> or webmin [15:05] <blindcoder> well, but staying with the example of kde, it doesn't even show mozilla or firefox [15:05] <fake> if he needs one, it's so easy to add them manually in kde or gnome... [15:05] <daja77> it sucks to do this with more than one [15:05] <fake> that's indeed annoying, i have to admit, but i think mozilla/firefox should ship .desktop files that are correct [15:06] <blindcoder> kdebase: opt/kde32/share/apps/kappfinder/apps/Internet/mozilla.desktop [15:06] <blindcoder> but it doesn't show up [15:06] <fake> hm... [15:06] <fake> well, to be honest i don't care much about this topic [15:07] <fake> i just don't want to add more items to be done manually [15:07] <fake> keep it automated (tm) [15:08] <blindcoder> if it were possible to automate it, I'd be all for it [15:09] <blindcoder> if it were me, just do a for x in `grep [^s]bin/ /var/adm/flists/*` ; do register_application $x ; done [15:09] <blindcoder> but that's not feasible, either [15:10] <fake> hm, desktop file = application name + binary file location and name + other fluff, right? [15:10] <blindcoder> right [15:11] <blindcoder> but as far as I can see most of the .desktop files in clifford's list come from kde and gnome directly [15:11] <blindcoder> not from the applications [15:11] <fake> this sucks [15:11] <blindcoder> indeed [15:12] <blindcoder> not to mention that the desktop specification is not at 1.0 yet and the pre-1.0 have a dozen-odd exceptions to handle [15:12] <fake> then let's just wait and create .desktop files for mozilla, firefox and thunderbird by hand... [15:12] <blindcoder> then we can do the register_application, too if we want to do it by hand [15:12] <fake> i would'n expect others to be present, ... [15:13] <fake> as a temporary solution, i mean [15:13] <blindcoder> btw, creating .desktop files from the register'd apps would be a lot easier [15:13] <blindcoder> well, I'd expect asc, bzflag and other games to be present [15:13] <fake> wuah [15:13] <fake> not on my desktop! [15:14] <blindcoder> the world doesn't rotate around you (not around me, either, for that matter) [15:14] <fake> that's exactly what i wanted to say with that outbreak ;) [15:14] <blindcoder> well, register_application would put a file in /usr/share/rock-registry/app which will be added to the .gem [15:15] <blindcoder> so that wouldn't be a problem at all if you don't install that package [15:15] <fake> why /usr/share ? i thought such information belings to /var/adm/... [15:15] <fake> *belongs [15:15] <blindcoder> no, the rock-registry is in /usr/share [15:15] <fake> even for packages in prefix /opt ? [15:16] <fake> for example? [15:16] <blindcoder> yes [15:16] <fake> *shivers* [15:16] <blindcoder> no, that is correct [15:16] <blindcoder> the rock-registry is not directly connected to the package [15:16] <blindcoder> so it has its own place [15:16] <fake> if it were a standalone package [15:17] <fake> nah, i don't care enough about this problem to talk hours about it [15:17] <blindcoder> :) [15:17] Action: fake will phone with clifford later [15:18] <daja77> :) [15:18] <fake> maybe he has an opinion on that [15:18] <blindcoder> thanks [15:18] <fake> no, that's not only because of the register app thing [15:18] <blindcoder> if he says it's crap, I'll at least keep it with myself and not bother the mailinglist with it anymore :) [15:18] <fake> mostly because of 30th oct. [15:18] <blindcoder> of course, but if you'd ask him that'd be nice of you :) [15:18] <fake> snd the archmapper [15:19] <blindcoder> not that I want to imply you being nice [15:19] <fake> blindcoder: i will, but i won't be online again until saturday, so it won't help you much ;)) [15:19] <blindcoder> tell him to send a mail to the list if or if he's not against the idea in general [15:20] <fake> okay [15:20] <blindcoder> thanks ;-) [15:20] <fake> i'm off again now [15:20] <daja77> cu fake [15:20] <fake> cya [15:20] <blindcoder> bye [15:33] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) joined #rocklinux. [15:33] <blindcoder> moin esden [15:33] <esden> hi ho everyone [15:33] <esden> hi blindcoder ;) [15:34] <esden> puhh all paperwork for tomorrow finished [15:34] <blindcoder> paperwork? [15:34] <esden> yes ... "ausbildungsvertrag" for the first practical semester and request for grade accounting [15:35] <blindcoder> urgs [15:35] <esden> so I can give it tomorrow away at Rosenheim [15:35] <blindcoder> hand it in :-) [15:35] <blindcoder> don't just give it away to strangers [15:35] <esden> I had to write a paper containing the content of my lectures [15:35] <esden> that was a nasty work [15:35] <esden> because to find it it is really difficult [15:36] <esden> blindcoder: yes ... thanks ;) [15:36] <esden> now I need nicotine! [15:36] Action: esden brb [15:36] <blindcoder> tststs [15:36] Action: blindcoder hands esden a fine coffee [15:36] <blindcoder> better than nicotine [15:37] <esden> ohh thanks ... you are my god ;) [15:37] Action: esden takes the coffee and leaves with it for a cigarette ;) [15:37] <blindcoder> AH! [16:04] <esden> re [16:05] <blindcoder> that was a looong cigarette :) [16:05] <esden> yes ;) [16:06] <esden> I visited markus in the production [16:06] <blindcoder> I see [16:06] <netrunne1> reruelps [16:06] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [16:07] <blindcoder> bleargh [16:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: you stink [16:07] <netrunner> just finished breakfast. [16:07] <esden> netrunner you make air bad [16:07] <esden> leave it! [16:07] <netrunner> 3 kinds of self-made semmels, self made wachauertorte ...mjam [16:08] Action: esden is getting back to hungry mode already [16:08] <blindcoder> hmm [16:08] <blindcoder> two hours until dinner [16:13] _Lewellyn (~jenny@c-67-180-175-10.client.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:29] <netrunner> hm, who sent those mails about kmail/gnupg some time ago? [17:29] <netrunner> can't find the related patches ... [17:35] <daja77> smp and me [17:36] <daja77> the gnupg2 package and stuff [17:37] <netrunner> daja77: is it in trunk? [17:37] <netrunner> ah, ic [17:38] <netrunner> daja77: can I install it parallel to gnupg? what else do I need besides the libksba and libgcrypt and gpgme (all of which I updated) [17:38] <netrunner> ? [17:39] <daja77> you can install that in pararllel [17:40] <daja77> + libassuan [17:40] <daja77> and pth [17:41] <netrunner> yes, just got the missing pth complaint :) updatingnbuilding... [17:41] <daja77> ^^ [17:54] <netrunner> daja77: where should gpgsm come from? [17:54] <daja77> dunno [17:55] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:56] <netrunner> *** Could not find GpgSM, install GpgSM or use --with-gpgsm=PATH to enable it [17:56] <netrunner> (from gpgme) [17:56] <netrunner> and because of this, kmail doesn't do s/mime crypto.. [18:50] <SMP> netrunner: yes, I know this [18:51] <SMP> netrunner: gpgsm is another part of gnupg2, but we tell gnupg2 to only build the gpg-agent at the moment [18:52] <SMP> netrunner: gnupg2 configure can be told to build more programs and skip those that conflict with gnupg 1.x [19:14] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-031.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "fsck fsck fsck" [19:24] <treo> away, party xD [19:24] treo (~xfman@D82cf.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [19:26] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-152-031.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:31] <netrunner> SMP: all I want is that kmail displays blindy's signed mails :) [19:32] <blindcoder> who's cursing about me? [19:32] <daja77> so changing the configure opts for gnupg2 is the wax to go i think [19:33] Action: blindcoder taking a bath and then relaxing with a book [19:33] <blindcoder> bye [19:33] <daja77> cu blindcoder [19:36] <netrunner> cu blindy [19:39] <SMP> netrunner: I've done this .. [19:40] <daja77> sm patch? [19:42] <SMP> ./. [19:45] <netrunner> sm send :) [19:46] <SMP> but his mails are pgp/mime signed, not s/mime ... [19:46] <netrunner> hm. [19:46] <SMP> don't have a working sm tree ATM [19:47] <netrunner> no surprise, who has such a thing ;) [19:47] <daja77> hehe [19:47] <daja77> you can send me the diff and i post it via submaster if you like [19:48] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:52] <SMP> I have no idea which tree I used to build the package, or if I even have that tree, but it's obvious if you look at the configure --help output [19:53] <SMP> to skip building gnupg only [19:53] <SMP> gpg, that would be [19:54] <daja77> will have a look at that soon [19:57] BoS (~BoS@dialin-145-254-190-140.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 238 (Connection timed out) [19:58] BoS (~BoS@dialin-212-144-087-199.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:01] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:01] <esden> re [20:03] <daja77> esden!!!111 [20:10] <esden> hi daja77 [20:15] <daja77> :) [21:39] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:41] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) joined #rocklinux. [21:47] esden (~esdentem@apeiron-group.de) left irc: "leaving" [23:44] kasc (~kasc@dsl-213-023-209-169.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:45] mistik1 (rasta@ool-44c02704.dyn.optonline.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:00] --- Mon Oct 18 2004