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[08:24] <blindcoder> moin
[08:24] <dsoul> hi blindcoder :)
[08:28] <Togg> moin moin
[08:28] Action: blindcoder starting a crystal build
[08:29] <Togg> crystal sounds good ;)
[08:29] <Togg> I would like to receive comments on the rewrite of rocknet script :)
[08:30] <blindcoder> haven't had a look yet
[08:30] <Togg> it has time
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[08:32] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[08:33] <netrunne1> 2.6.9
[08:33] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner
[10:03] <blindcoder> moin SerWou 
[10:03] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[10:10] <netrunner> hi blindy
[10:10] <netrunner> aah, my brother switched on my build server :)
[10:10] <netrunner> should put some wol technique there ...
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[10:13] <tcr> moin all.
[10:17] <blindcoder> moin tcr 
[10:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, but that doesn't work over WLan :/
[10:17] <daja77> moin
[10:19] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[10:20] <blindcoder> okay, menu autocreation take three sent
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[10:22] <blindcoder> I think this one will have much more approvals than the previous ones
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[10:33] <tcr> hey daja77. I saw you yesterday.. :)
[10:49] <daja77> O_o
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[11:00] <tcr> daja77, Yeah 'round 17:00 in the Fakultät für Informatik in Chemnitz. I was the one looking like a blatant idiot.. standing besides Marcel Karras. Too late, I realized that the freaky guy I saw was you.. :)
[11:00] <treo> sali
[11:04] <blindcoder> netrunner: okay, implemented xterms :-)
[11:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: as I said, does not make much sense for applications that don't do anything w/o parameters
[11:11] <clifford> netrunner: you add links to my patches to my flyspray tickets? thanks, but why? do you think my two schizophrenic personalities for submaster and flyspray don't know about each other?  ;-)
[11:11] <netrunner> clifford: oh well, I just browsed a bit around there and tried to blow away some dust there :)
[11:11] <netrunner> clifford: there are some tasks assigned to rene ...
[11:12] <netrunner> clifford: and some are outdated/already fixed. maybe a cleanup there should be scheduled some time soon?
[11:12] <netrunner> does not look so nice when we have so many open bugs :)
[11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: irssi, gnugo to name two examples
[11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: applications that _need_ parameters shouldn't go to the menu, that's correct.
[11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: but those don't have .desktop files to begin with
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[11:25] <clifford> fck*!$@ XFree86..
[11:25] <clifford> netrunner: congrats! you are an admin user in flyspray now.  ;-)
[11:26] Action: netrunner attaching tank-tape to his mouth
[11:27] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:27] <netrunner>  Task #77    Maybe add a Search-Pkg script ... it's there. ls package/*/whatiwant :)
[11:30] <clifford> yeah. with that script it should be possible to also search in package descriptions, etc.
[11:31] <clifford> s.th. like "ls -d package/*/*$1*; grep -H $1 package/*/*/*.desc"
[11:31] <clifford> .. with a nicer output.  ;-)
[11:32] <clifford> --> https://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?string=&type=&sev=&dev=3&cat=&status=&perpage=100
[11:33] <blindcoder> wow, almost time for lunch already
[11:33] <netrunner> hm. I think I'll need a weekend to check all tasks there. #45 eg. looks trivial & nice. but I really shouldn't do this at work where having a terminal with code on screen is suspicious :)
[11:34] <clifford> .. it's implemented. it just doesn't work if a http mirror is returning an html page as error message.
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[11:36] <netrunner> no. this task talks about keeping a list sorted by speed, only falling back on none when no mirror could be reached.
[11:36] <clifford> oh. ic... ok.
[11:37] <clifford> but this isn't good if a file is not present on the mirrors. It would fail on _all_ mirrors before it hist the original location..
[11:38] <netrunner> yes, that's true.
[11:38] <netrunner> but that's a problem usually only developers that update packages have, and they use mirror=none anyway ;)
[11:39] <clifford> or users of the trunk tree. the mirrors get updated on or two days after patches have been applied.
[11:39] <clifford> s/trunk tree/any subversion tree/
[11:40] <netrunner> ok, I close this one with "won't implement".
[11:41] <clifford> that was easy - what's next?  ;-)
[11:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: I've just re-read the desktop specification but haven't found anything that says one _must_ use the menu-spec categories
[11:43] <blindcoder> only reference: "for possible values see the Desktop Menu Specification"
[11:43] <netrunner> clifford: nothing, gotta do something for the few bucks I get :)
[11:43] <netrunner> will do this when I have some free time.
[11:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: no idea if that means one has to use those categories
[11:43] <clifford> netrunner: ack.
[11:58] Action: blindcoder -> lunch
[12:02] <clifford> Logizomechanophobia - Fear of computers. (www.phobialist.com)
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[12:04] <hannes_> hi
[12:22] Action: netrunner fixing 2.6 build ...
[12:22] <netrunner> damn, I hope they don't control what I do here :)
[12:27] <clifford> netrunner: did already.
[12:27] <clifford> I just doing a full test-build of linux26 before sending the patch.
[12:27] <clifford> btw:
[12:27] <clifford> == 12:26:35 =[9]=> Building base/linux=linux26 [2.6.9 2.1.0-DEV].
[12:27] <clifford> -> Reading build/.../tools.native/lib/pkg_linux_pre.conf
[12:27] <clifford> ls: /data/SubMaster/rock/download/mirror/u/uml-patch-2.6.9-*.bz2: No such file or directory
[12:28] <clifford> can you fix the ls error?
[12:28] <clifford> (afair the uml stuff was you, right?)
[12:28] <netrunner> yes, there is already 2004101123314131825 which takes older versions.
[12:29] <netrunner> but I can send errors to /dev/null, if you prefer.
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[12:30] <clifford> will this still work with 2.6.10 ?
[12:31] <netrunner> ${ver:0:3}
[12:31] <netrunner> =2.6
[12:31] <clifford> ls sorting..
[12:31] <clifford> you are using the last line.
[12:32] <netrunner> interesting :)
[12:33] <netrunner> hm. no.
[12:33] <netrunner> people shouldn't keep so many old downloaded files :)
[12:34] <blindcoder> back
[12:34] <clifford> where is the [D] tag for the patch files ?
[12:35] <clifford> are
[12:35] <clifford> got it.
[12:37] <netrunner> ok, I could take the filename from the download tag. 
[12:38] <clifford> umlpatch=$( grep "^\[D.*uml-patch-${ver:0:3}" $base/package/base/uml_utilities/uml_utilities.desc | cut -f3 -d' ' )
[12:38] <clifford> yep, that's a great idea!  ;-)
[12:38] <netrunner> clifford: my employer wants your adress for sening the bill for my work time :)
[12:39] <clifford> Tell him it's on the bill I sent him for educating you distribution development.... *evilgrin*
[12:41] <netrunner> *kick*
[13:07] <SerWou> hello the chan
[13:08] <SerWou> Anyone installed KDE on Rock ? (I'm using XFCE and i want to install Krusader, a file manager, i need KDE installed)
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[13:15] <SerWou> hello mnemoc
[13:15] <SerWou> PLEASE : Anyone installed KDE on Rock ? (I'm using XFCE and i want to install Krusader, a file manager, i need KDE installed)
[13:20] Action: clifford doesn't have much time - but what exactly is the problem, SerWou?
[13:22] <SerWou> do you know Krusader ?
[13:22] <SerWou> it's a file Manager
[13:22] <SerWou> like MC made for KDE
[13:22] <clifford> no - I don't know it.
[13:22] <SerWou> i looks for a KDE directory, but i don't have it ! so, i have to dl and install KDE
[13:23] <clifford> (I'm basically just using X for xterms)
[13:23] <SerWou> is there a script for that ?
[13:23] <clifford> you are trying to build krusader from source?
[13:23] <SerWou> yes
[13:23] <SerWou> i made a script for that
[13:23] <clifford> do you know which kde packages you need?
[13:24] <clifford> if so, you can simply go to /usr/src/rock-src and type
[13:24] <clifford> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg kdelibs
[13:25] <clifford> (if kdelibs is all you need and you have already qt and arts)
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[13:25] <SerWou> i don't know which packages i need, because krusader looks for a KDE directory, something like /usr/bin/bde
[13:25] <clifford> in _theory_ Emerge-Pkg can resolve dependencies. But in the real world it's better you resolve the deps manually.
[13:26] <SerWou> hehe
[13:28] <clifford> In ROCK (2.1 trunk tree) the default kde prefix is /opt/kde3
[13:28] <clifford> so when you simply build kdelibs it will be installed there.
[13:28] <clifford> If you pass the same dir as --prefix= to the other package it should work fine..
[13:29] <clifford> (afaik, I'm not really one of the kde maintainers)
[13:29] <blindcoder> urgs
[13:29] <SerWou> thanks
[13:29] <clifford> blindcoder: yes?
[13:29] Action: blindcoder just ran the rock-menu script on all .desktop files found in a 2.0.2 installation
[13:29] <clifford> now you got a big menu?  ;-)
[13:29] <blindcoder> to put it bluntly: KDE does what it wants
[13:30] <blindcoder> but not what the desktop spec says
[13:30] <blindcoder> I'll have to completely rewrite the .desktop parser to be able to do somthing about these files
[14:03] <daja77> re
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[14:42] <clifford> kasc: do you want to package two more games?
[14:42] <clifford> http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/blobWars.php
[14:42] <clifford> http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php
[14:42] Action: daja77 could package more of these python based games
[14:45] Action: daja77 should go to the outside to leave his frustrations out there
[14:49] <blindcoder> daja77: try writing a parser for KDE .desktop files
[14:50] <blindcoder> only then you know what frustration is
[14:52] <SerWou> hello guys, i'm running the script ./script/Emerge-Pkg since 35min, my CPU is at 100%, wtf ?
[14:53] <daja77> blindcoder: the frustration is not technical bot social
[14:53] <daja77> but*
[14:53] <blindcoder> SerWou: depending on the size of the package the build may take a looong time
[14:53] <blindcoder> daja77: I see
[14:53] <blindcoder> d'oh
[14:53] <blindcoder> mozilla isn't even in a single category!
[14:53] <blindcoder> why oh why does KDE suck so much?
[14:54] <blindcoder> do we really want to import all the KDE .desktop files?
[14:55] <blindcoder> forget it, I just decided: _NO_
[14:55] <daja77> :)
[14:55] <daja77> mozilla should be on the internet submenuj, where else?
[14:55] <blindcoder> I'll write a script to convert the KDE "menu" to a few linked html pages so everyone can share my opinion
[14:56] <blindcoder> daja77: yes. it _should_
[14:56] <blindcoder> but it isn't
[14:56] <daja77> and it is what?
[14:56] <blindcoder> none!
[14:56] <daja77> O_o
[14:56] <blindcoder> no Categories= tag
[14:56] <blindcoder> as well as a lot more files
[14:56] <daja77> >_<
[15:14] <blindcoder> okay, mail sent to mailinglist about this
[15:14] <blindcoder> brb
[15:21] <blindcoder> back
[15:24] <blindcoder> they even have a menu-entry for /bin/su :/
[15:25] <blindcoder> Terminal_Program_-_Super_User_Mode
[15:30] <th> moin
[15:31] <th> yea - cool here we go.
[15:31] <daja77> release? 
[15:31] <th> no
[15:31] <th> sending huge update changeset
[15:32] <daja77> ah :)
[15:32] <blindcoder> okay, I hope this will be one of the last menu autocreation patches :/
[15:33] <th> still waiting for lvm/lvm2/device-mapper cleanup for 2.0.3 release
[15:38] <th> Committed revision 4538.
[15:38] <th> blindcoder: something for your news...
[15:40] <blindcoder> th: yes?
[15:40] <th> blindcoder: Committed revision 4538; tons of updates from trunk
[15:41] <blindcoder> ok
[15:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: mozilla.desktop is in the Internet subdirectory of kappfinder, maybe you can extract the info there.
[15:46] <netrunner> I'd prefer having a ROCK submenu with everything structured according to our categorization.
[15:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: you know, I don't think creating special cases for each and every .desktop location is favorable
[15:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: actually, that'd be fine with me. I just don't know how freedesktop.org sees that
[15:47] <netrunner> blindcoder: for the .desktop files you find in kdeappfinder, which seems to be a quite common directory, take the subdir :)
[15:48] <blindcoder> netrunner: and for the ones in gnome/* do this and for the ones in applnk do that
[15:48] <blindcoder> I don't think this is the way to go
[15:48] <blindcoder> maybe that can be done when the 1.0 spec is ratified _and_ implemented by KDE/GNOME
[15:49] <blindcoder> until then I'd say we create our own desktop files
[15:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you sure you want to have everything in your public_html on apollo public?
[15:50] Action: netrunner entering blindy's payment info at some sexshop ...
[15:50] <mnemoc> :)
[15:51] <blindcoder> I don't have an account on rocklinux.net
[15:51] <blindcoder> so where else should I put it?
[15:53] <blindcoder> I'm not aware of any payment info there
[15:54] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:54] <blindcoder> oh
[16:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: do something positive and comment on the latest implementation of the menu_autocreation :)
[16:03] <th> /me is updating *.cache
[16:04] <netrunner> :)
[16:04] Action: netrunner should have wget -m'ed before ... as I did with esdens home once to get all the pics of chicks he knew :)
[16:05] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:05] <blindcoder> anyway, /me preparing to go home
[16:05] <blindcoder> bbl
[16:06] <jsaw> hi all
[16:29] <netrunner> bravo. I scripts/Build-Pgk linux26-src and got a binary linux26 installed.
[16:31] <netrunner> hm. it should have been source. but shouldn't it fail and not default to the firstbest package?
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[17:14] <blindcoder> back
[17:33] <daja77> hi jsaw 
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[17:49] <clifford> netrunner: did you test [2004101916392307416] ?
[17:50] <clifford> you still use $uml_patch, but define $umlpatch (which now has only the basename)
[17:50] <daja77> clifford: any news regarding oct 30?
[17:51] <clifford> (need to go now - be online from home in an hour or so)
[17:51] <daja77> cu
[17:51] <clifford> daja77: not yet. I still don't know if I will have the time..  :-(
[17:51] <daja77> ok
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[18:42] <th> blindcoder: interested in var_adm-2.0-stable-refbuild-20041019.tbz2?
[18:45] <netrunner> clifford: I tested 2004101918233630989. it fails because the patches don't apply any more. but that's a different story
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[18:57] <blindcoder> th: should I exchange 20041015 by 10041019?
[19:03] <th> blindcoder: yes that would be a good idea
[19:04] <blindcoder> okay, send over
[19:05] <th> uploaded again
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[19:05] <blindcoder> address?
[19:05] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ 
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[19:05] <blindcoder> hmm, crystal still needs a few dependency libs
[19:05] <th> blindcoder: http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/var_adm-2.0-stable-refbuild-20041019.tbz2
[19:05] <daja77> blindcoder: which
[19:05] <blindcoder> pango for example
[19:06] <daja77> i thought that was in
[19:06] <blindcoder> build is almost finished, then I'll know more
[19:07] <daja77> a pity you can't be there that weekend, but i think i'll have crystal isos until then
[19:07] <blindcoder> xorg fails :(
[19:07] <daja77> it is in
[19:08] <daja77> oh why?
[19:08] <blindcoder> freetype missing
[19:08] <blindcoder> priority problem I think
[19:08] <daja77> use my sm patch
[19:09] <daja77> 2004101122381719654
[19:10] <blindcoder> applied
[19:11] Action: blindcoder smashing his head on the table
[19:11] <blindcoder> wasn't there somethnig about -newdelete being buggy?
[19:12] <daja77> yep
[19:12] <blindcoder> == 19:13:49 =[0]=> Building base/linux=linux24-header [2.4.27 2.1.0-DEV].
[19:12] <blindcoder> :(
[19:12] <daja77> you could try the sugestion jsaw made, he promised me to send a sm patch soon
[19:13] <blindcoder> well, right now it's starting from scratch for me
[19:13] <daja77> ok
[19:13] <daja77> perhaps you need 2004101216260302384
[19:13] <daja77> fixes gnome stuff
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[19:32] <blindcoder> anyone had a look at the menu.txt file I linked?
[19:33] <daja77> not yet
[19:34] Action: daja77 collecting data to possibly file a racist prof at universtity
[19:34] <blindcoder> please do so soon. I'd like others to back up my opinion
[19:35] <blindcoder> daja77: good speed! Nothing's worse than racist teachers/profs
[19:35] <blindcoder> had one and a half myself :/
[19:35] <daja77> :/
[19:36] <daja77> he really claimed today that black people have only an average iq of 80 ...
[19:36] <mnemoc> rehi
[19:38] <blindcoder> daja77: well, our teacher destroyed(!) the "Maeppchen" of a friend of mine because he thought there might be a "spickzettel" in it
[19:38] <blindcoder> and other things towards this single black person in my class
[19:38] <daja77> ic
[19:38] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
[19:42] <blindcoder> th: added
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[19:45] <mnemoc> "spickzettel"?
[19:45] <mnemoc> hi daja, blindy
[19:45] <daja77> a tiny piece of paper with forbidden notes on it
[19:46] <daja77> notes which shall help to pass a test
[19:48] <mnemoc> aha
[19:48] <mnemoc> we call that a 'torpedo'
[19:48] <daja77> :)
[19:48] <blindcoder> fits :)
[19:54] <mnemoc> what do you mean by 'fits'?
[19:54] <mnemoc> is it the same word?
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[19:54] <blindcoder> no, I mean the name fits the function :-)
[19:55] <mnemoc> hehe
[20:01] Action: blindcoder watching Hellsing
[20:31] <SerWou> hello the Chan
[20:31] <SerWou> i need help again
[20:32] <SerWou> how to upgrade gnome ?
[20:32] <SerWou> gtk, gconf, libgla...
[20:52] <SerWou> allo ?
[20:52] <netrunner> olla?
[20:52] <SerWou> sup mate ?
[20:53] <netrunner> mate is a tea, no? sup ... soup? a soup of mate tea? brrr
[20:53] <th> sup := what'S UP
[20:53] <netrunner> ah :)
[20:53] <SerWou> is there a way to update all gnome stuff quickly (gtk+, gconf, libglade) ?
[20:53] <netrunner> thought about 'supply mate!' or so :)
[20:53] <SerWou> lol netrunner
[20:54] <th> SerWou: i'd say: no
[20:54] <SerWou> for netrunner (lol : lot of laugh)
[20:54] <netrunner> SerWou: you know club mate? a limonade of mate tea :)
[20:54] <SerWou> ;)
[20:54] <netrunner> laughing out loud
[20:54] <SerWou> HEHE
[20:54] <th> SerWou: more: "laughing out loudly"
[20:54] <SerWou> there is 2 definitions right
[20:55] <SerWou> i took mine for the Internet Dictionary ;)
[20:55] <netrunner> SerWou: do you want to update the packages installed on your system, or do you want to update the rock src packages?
[20:55] <th> www.dict.org suggests ""laughing out loud", or "lots of love" or "luck".""
[20:55] <netrunner> hm, my car is already at 555 euro
[20:55] <SerWou> update some packages to install gnome-terminal
[20:56] <netrunner> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/!svn/vcc/default': 504 Gateway Time-out (http://www.rocklinux.net)
[20:56] <netrunner> hrmpf
[20:56] <th> netrunner: got that here too.
[20:56] <th> might be some lock screwup
[20:56] <netrunner> again :)
[20:57] <SerWou> i don't want to use xterm anymore
[20:57] <th> i use xterm since 1993
[20:57] <th> and i see no reason to stop doing
[20:57] <SerWou> sorry for you ;)
[20:58] <SerWou> xterm sucks, it doesn't support copy/paste, multi tabs and more...
[20:58] <th> copy/paste??
[20:58] <th> X supports that!
[20:58] <th> multi tabs is a job for the window manager!
[20:58] <th> so i have both for my xterms
[20:59] <SerWou> i have NOTHING in mine
[20:59] <SerWou> i test out gnome-terminal and konsole, they are really better
[21:01] <th> not for my usecase
[21:02] <SerWou> gnome looks like a pain to update, no ?
[21:03] <th> gnome with all its dependants is huge!
[21:04] <SerWou> yes
[21:38] Action: netrunner wondering about waimea
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[22:52] <netcrow> hiho
[23:00] Action: netrunner building a rocklinux theme for waimea
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[23:17] <daja77> cool do you have one for kde too?
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