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[02:13] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8DB3B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [03:38] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8DB76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:02] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-213-023-153-198.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:18] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-211.arcor-ip.net) left irc: No route to host [07:38] BoS (~BoS@dialin-212-144-002-021.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:49] BoS_ (~BoS@dialin-212-144-087-223.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:23] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [08:24] <blindcoder> moin [08:24] <dsoul> hi blindcoder :) [08:28] <Togg> moin moin [08:28] Action: blindcoder starting a crystal build [08:29] <Togg> crystal sounds good ;) [08:29] <Togg> I would like to receive comments on the rewrite of rocknet script :) [08:30] <blindcoder> haven't had a look yet [08:30] <Togg> it has time [08:32] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:32] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [08:33] <netrunne1> 2.6.9 [08:33] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [10:03] <blindcoder> moin SerWou [10:03] <blindcoder> moin netrunner [10:10] <netrunner> hi blindy [10:10] <netrunner> aah, my brother switched on my build server :) [10:10] <netrunner> should put some wol technique there ... [10:13] tcr (~tcr@dsl-082-082-248-064.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:13] <tcr> moin all. [10:17] <blindcoder> moin tcr [10:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, but that doesn't work over WLan :/ [10:17] <daja77> moin [10:19] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [10:20] <blindcoder> okay, menu autocreation take three sent [10:20] [anders2] (~snafu@82-68-84-60.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: "Client exiting" [10:22] <blindcoder> I think this one will have much more approvals than the previous ones [10:22] [anders2] (~snafu@82-68-84-60.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [10:33] <tcr> hey daja77. I saw you yesterday.. :) [10:49] <daja77> O_o [10:58] treo (~xfman@D8c89.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:00] <tcr> daja77, Yeah 'round 17:00 in the Fakultät für Informatik in Chemnitz. I was the one looking like a blatant idiot.. standing besides Marcel Karras. Too late, I realized that the freaky guy I saw was you.. :) [11:00] <treo> sali [11:04] <blindcoder> netrunner: okay, implemented xterms :-) [11:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: as I said, does not make much sense for applications that don't do anything w/o parameters [11:11] <clifford> netrunner: you add links to my patches to my flyspray tickets? thanks, but why? do you think my two schizophrenic personalities for submaster and flyspray don't know about each other? ;-) [11:11] <netrunner> clifford: oh well, I just browsed a bit around there and tried to blow away some dust there :) [11:11] <netrunner> clifford: there are some tasks assigned to rene ... [11:12] <netrunner> clifford: and some are outdated/already fixed. maybe a cleanup there should be scheduled some time soon? [11:12] <netrunner> does not look so nice when we have so many open bugs :) [11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: irssi, gnugo to name two examples [11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: applications that _need_ parameters shouldn't go to the menu, that's correct. [11:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: but those don't have .desktop files to begin with [11:20] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:24] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:25] <clifford> fck*!$@ XFree86.. [11:25] <clifford> netrunner: congrats! you are an admin user in flyspray now. ;-) [11:26] Action: netrunner attaching tank-tape to his mouth [11:27] <blindcoder> hehe [11:27] <netrunner> Task #77 Maybe add a Search-Pkg script ... it's there. ls package/*/whatiwant :) [11:30] <clifford> yeah. with that script it should be possible to also search in package descriptions, etc. [11:31] <clifford> s.th. like "ls -d package/*/*$1*; grep -H $1 package/*/*/*.desc" [11:31] <clifford> .. with a nicer output. ;-) [11:32] <clifford> --> https://www.rocklinux.net/flyspray/index.php?string=&type=&sev=&dev=3&cat=&status=&perpage=100 [11:33] <blindcoder> wow, almost time for lunch already [11:33] <netrunner> hm. I think I'll need a weekend to check all tasks there. #45 eg. looks trivial & nice. but I really shouldn't do this at work where having a terminal with code on screen is suspicious :) [11:34] <clifford> .. it's implemented. it just doesn't work if a http mirror is returning an html page as error message. [11:35] tcr (~tcr@dsl-082-082-248-064.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:36] <netrunner> no. this task talks about keeping a list sorted by speed, only falling back on none when no mirror could be reached. [11:36] <clifford> oh. ic... ok. [11:37] <clifford> but this isn't good if a file is not present on the mirrors. It would fail on _all_ mirrors before it hist the original location.. [11:38] <netrunner> yes, that's true. [11:38] <netrunner> but that's a problem usually only developers that update packages have, and they use mirror=none anyway ;) [11:39] <clifford> or users of the trunk tree. the mirrors get updated on or two days after patches have been applied. [11:39] <clifford> s/trunk tree/any subversion tree/ [11:40] <netrunner> ok, I close this one with "won't implement". [11:41] <clifford> that was easy - what's next? ;-) [11:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: I've just re-read the desktop specification but haven't found anything that says one _must_ use the menu-spec categories [11:43] <blindcoder> only reference: "for possible values see the Desktop Menu Specification" [11:43] <netrunner> clifford: nothing, gotta do something for the few bucks I get :) [11:43] <netrunner> will do this when I have some free time. [11:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: no idea if that means one has to use those categories [11:43] <clifford> netrunner: ack. [11:58] Action: blindcoder -> lunch [12:02] <clifford> Logizomechanophobia - Fear of computers. (www.phobialist.com) [12:04] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:04] <hannes_> hi [12:22] Action: netrunner fixing 2.6 build ... [12:22] <netrunner> damn, I hope they don't control what I do here :) [12:27] <clifford> netrunner: did already. [12:27] <clifford> I just doing a full test-build of linux26 before sending the patch. [12:27] <clifford> btw: [12:27] <clifford> == 12:26:35 =[9]=> Building base/linux=linux26 [2.6.9 2.1.0-DEV]. [12:27] <clifford> -> Reading build/.../tools.native/lib/pkg_linux_pre.conf [12:27] <clifford> ls: /data/SubMaster/rock/download/mirror/u/uml-patch-2.6.9-*.bz2: No such file or directory [12:28] <clifford> can you fix the ls error? [12:28] <clifford> (afair the uml stuff was you, right?) [12:28] <netrunner> yes, there is already 2004101123314131825 which takes older versions. [12:29] <netrunner> but I can send errors to /dev/null, if you prefer. [12:30] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:30] <clifford> will this still work with 2.6.10 ? [12:31] <netrunner> ${ver:0:3} [12:31] <netrunner> =2.6 [12:31] <clifford> ls sorting.. [12:31] <clifford> you are using the last line. [12:32] <netrunner> interesting :) [12:33] <netrunner> hm. no. [12:33] <netrunner> people shouldn't keep so many old downloaded files :) [12:34] <blindcoder> back [12:34] <clifford> where is the [D] tag for the patch files ? [12:35] <clifford> are [12:35] <clifford> got it. [12:37] <netrunner> ok, I could take the filename from the download tag. [12:38] <clifford> umlpatch=$( grep "^\[D.*uml-patch-${ver:0:3}" $base/package/base/uml_utilities/uml_utilities.desc | cut -f3 -d' ' ) [12:38] <clifford> yep, that's a great idea! ;-) [12:38] <netrunner> clifford: my employer wants your adress for sening the bill for my work time :) [12:39] <clifford> Tell him it's on the bill I sent him for educating you distribution development.... *evilgrin* [12:41] <netrunner> *kick* [13:07] <SerWou> hello the chan [13:08] <SerWou> Anyone installed KDE on Rock ? (I'm using XFCE and i want to install Krusader, a file manager, i need KDE installed) [13:12] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.41) joined #rocklinux. [13:15] <SerWou> hello mnemoc [13:15] <SerWou> PLEASE : Anyone installed KDE on Rock ? (I'm using XFCE and i want to install Krusader, a file manager, i need KDE installed) [13:20] Action: clifford doesn't have much time - but what exactly is the problem, SerWou? [13:22] <SerWou> do you know Krusader ? [13:22] <SerWou> it's a file Manager [13:22] <SerWou> like MC made for KDE [13:22] <clifford> no - I don't know it. [13:22] <SerWou> i looks for a KDE directory, but i don't have it ! so, i have to dl and install KDE [13:23] <clifford> (I'm basically just using X for xterms) [13:23] <SerWou> is there a script for that ? [13:23] <clifford> you are trying to build krusader from source? [13:23] <SerWou> yes [13:23] <SerWou> i made a script for that [13:23] <clifford> do you know which kde packages you need? [13:24] <clifford> if so, you can simply go to /usr/src/rock-src and type [13:24] <clifford> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg kdelibs [13:25] <clifford> (if kdelibs is all you need and you have already qt and arts) [13:25] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.2) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:25] <SerWou> i don't know which packages i need, because krusader looks for a KDE directory, something like /usr/bin/bde [13:25] <clifford> in _theory_ Emerge-Pkg can resolve dependencies. But in the real world it's better you resolve the deps manually. [13:26] <SerWou> hehe [13:28] <clifford> In ROCK (2.1 trunk tree) the default kde prefix is /opt/kde3 [13:28] <clifford> so when you simply build kdelibs it will be installed there. [13:28] <clifford> If you pass the same dir as --prefix= to the other package it should work fine.. [13:29] <clifford> (afaik, I'm not really one of the kde maintainers) [13:29] <blindcoder> urgs [13:29] <SerWou> thanks [13:29] <clifford> blindcoder: yes? [13:29] Action: blindcoder just ran the rock-menu script on all .desktop files found in a 2.0.2 installation [13:29] <clifford> now you got a big menu? ;-) [13:29] <blindcoder> to put it bluntly: KDE does what it wants [13:30] <blindcoder> but not what the desktop spec says [13:30] <blindcoder> I'll have to completely rewrite the .desktop parser to be able to do somthing about these files [14:03] <daja77> re [14:08] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-189-048.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:19] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-191-203.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:19] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [14:42] <clifford> kasc: do you want to package two more games? [14:42] <clifford> https://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/blobWars.php [14:42] <clifford> https://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/starfighter.php [14:42] Action: daja77 could package more of these python based games [14:45] Action: daja77 should go to the outside to leave his frustrations out there [14:49] <blindcoder> daja77: try writing a parser for KDE .desktop files [14:50] <blindcoder> only then you know what frustration is [14:52] <SerWou> hello guys, i'm running the script ./script/Emerge-Pkg since 35min, my CPU is at 100%, wtf ? [14:53] <daja77> blindcoder: the frustration is not technical bot social [14:53] <daja77> but* [14:53] <blindcoder> SerWou: depending on the size of the package the build may take a looong time [14:53] <blindcoder> daja77: I see [14:53] <blindcoder> d'oh [14:53] <blindcoder> mozilla isn't even in a single category! [14:53] <blindcoder> why oh why does KDE suck so much? [14:54] <blindcoder> do we really want to import all the KDE .desktop files? [14:55] <blindcoder> forget it, I just decided: _NO_ [14:55] <daja77> :) [14:55] <daja77> mozilla should be on the internet submenuj, where else? [14:55] <blindcoder> I'll write a script to convert the KDE "menu" to a few linked html pages so everyone can share my opinion [14:56] <blindcoder> daja77: yes. it _should_ [14:56] <blindcoder> but it isn't [14:56] <daja77> and it is what? [14:56] <blindcoder> none! [14:56] <daja77> O_o [14:56] <blindcoder> no Categories= tag [14:56] <blindcoder> as well as a lot more files [14:56] <daja77> >_< [15:14] <blindcoder> okay, mail sent to mailinglist about this [15:14] <blindcoder> brb [15:21] <blindcoder> back [15:24] <blindcoder> they even have a menu-entry for /bin/su :/ [15:25] <blindcoder> Terminal_Program_-_Super_User_Mode [15:30] <th> moin [15:31] <th> yea - cool here we go. [15:31] <daja77> release? [15:31] <th> no [15:31] <th> sending huge update changeset [15:32] <daja77> ah :) [15:32] <blindcoder> okay, I hope this will be one of the last menu autocreation patches :/ [15:33] <th> still waiting for lvm/lvm2/device-mapper cleanup for 2.0.3 release [15:38] <th> Committed revision 4538. [15:38] <th> blindcoder: something for your news... [15:40] <blindcoder> th: yes? [15:40] <th> blindcoder: Committed revision 4538; tons of updates from trunk [15:41] <blindcoder> ok [15:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: mozilla.desktop is in the Internet subdirectory of kappfinder, maybe you can extract the info there. [15:46] <netrunner> I'd prefer having a ROCK submenu with everything structured according to our categorization. [15:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: you know, I don't think creating special cases for each and every .desktop location is favorable [15:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: actually, that'd be fine with me. I just don't know how freedesktop.org sees that [15:47] <netrunner> blindcoder: for the .desktop files you find in kdeappfinder, which seems to be a quite common directory, take the subdir :) [15:48] <blindcoder> netrunner: and for the ones in gnome/* do this and for the ones in applnk do that [15:48] <blindcoder> I don't think this is the way to go [15:48] <blindcoder> maybe that can be done when the 1.0 spec is ratified _and_ implemented by KDE/GNOME [15:49] <blindcoder> until then I'd say we create our own desktop files [15:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you sure you want to have everything in your public_html on apollo public? [15:50] Action: netrunner entering blindy's payment info at some sexshop ... [15:50] <mnemoc> :) [15:51] <blindcoder> I don't have an account on www.rocklinux.net [15:51] <blindcoder> so where else should I put it? [15:53] <blindcoder> I'm not aware of any payment info there [15:54] <blindcoder> hmm [15:54] <blindcoder> oh [16:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: do something positive and comment on the latest implementation of the menu_autocreation :) [16:03] <th> /me is updating *.cache [16:04] <netrunner> :) [16:04] Action: netrunner should have wget -m'ed before ... as I did with esdens home once to get all the pics of chicks he knew :) [16:05] <blindcoder> hehe [16:05] <blindcoder> anyway, /me preparing to go home [16:05] <blindcoder> bbl [16:06] <jsaw> hi all [16:29] <netrunner> bravo. I scripts/Build-Pgk linux26-src and got a binary linux26 installed. [16:31] <netrunner> hm. it should have been source. but shouldn't it fail and not default to the firstbest package? [16:40] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F808A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:14] <blindcoder> back [17:33] <daja77> hi jsaw [17:42] Action: blindcoder yawns [17:42] Action: daja77 joins in [17:49] <clifford> netrunner: did you test [2004101916392307416] ? [17:50] <clifford> you still use $uml_patch, but define $umlpatch (which now has only the basename) [17:50] <daja77> clifford: any news regarding oct 30? [17:51] <clifford> (need to go now - be online from home in an hour or so) [17:51] <daja77> cu [17:51] <clifford> daja77: not yet. I still don't know if I will have the time.. :-( [17:51] <daja77> ok [18:15] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F808A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:39] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #rocklinux. [18:42] <th> blindcoder: interested in var_adm-2.0-stable-refbuild-20041019.tbz2? [18:45] <netrunner> clifford: I tested 2004101918233630989. it fails because the patches don't apply any more. but that's a different story [18:45] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: "leaving" [18:57] <blindcoder> th: should I exchange 20041015 by 10041019? [19:03] <th> blindcoder: yes that would be a good idea [19:04] <blindcoder> okay, send over [19:05] <th> uploaded again [19:05] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:05] <blindcoder> address? [19:05] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ [19:05] treo (~xfman@D8c89.d.pppool.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] <blindcoder> hmm, crystal still needs a few dependency libs [19:05] <th> blindcoder: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/var_adm-2.0-stable-refbuild-20041019.tbz2 [19:05] <daja77> blindcoder: which [19:05] <blindcoder> pango for example [19:06] <daja77> i thought that was in [19:06] <blindcoder> build is almost finished, then I'll know more [19:07] <daja77> a pity you can't be there that weekend, but i think i'll have crystal isos until then [19:07] <blindcoder> xorg fails :( [19:07] <daja77> it is in [19:08] <daja77> oh why? [19:08] <blindcoder> freetype missing [19:08] <blindcoder> priority problem I think [19:08] <daja77> use my sm patch [19:09] <daja77> 2004101122381719654 [19:10] <blindcoder> applied [19:11] Action: blindcoder smashing his head on the table [19:11] <blindcoder> wasn't there somethnig about -newdelete being buggy? [19:12] <daja77> yep [19:12] <blindcoder> == 19:13:49 =[0]=> Building base/linux=linux24-header [2.4.27 2.1.0-DEV]. [19:12] <blindcoder> :( [19:12] <daja77> you could try the sugestion jsaw made, he promised me to send a sm patch soon [19:13] <blindcoder> well, right now it's starting from scratch for me [19:13] <daja77> ok [19:13] <daja77> perhaps you need 2004101216260302384 [19:13] <daja77> fixes gnome stuff [19:20] sapkali_fare (~droid@dsl81-214-64094.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) joined #rocklinux. [19:20] sapkali_fare (~droid@dsl81-214-64094.adsl.ttnet.net.tr) left #rocklinux. [19:32] <blindcoder> anyone had a look at the menu.txt file I linked? [19:33] <daja77> not yet [19:34] Action: daja77 collecting data to possibly file a racist prof at universtity [19:34] <blindcoder> please do so soon. I'd like others to back up my opinion [19:35] <blindcoder> daja77: good speed! Nothing's worse than racist teachers/profs [19:35] <blindcoder> had one and a half myself :/ [19:35] <daja77> :/ [19:36] <daja77> he really claimed today that black people have only an average iq of 80 ... [19:36] <mnemoc> rehi [19:38] <blindcoder> daja77: well, our teacher destroyed(!) the "Maeppchen" of a friend of mine because he thought there might be a "spickzettel" in it [19:38] <blindcoder> and other things towards this single black person in my class [19:38] <daja77> ic [19:38] <daja77> hi mnemoc [19:42] <blindcoder> th: added [19:43] BoS_ (~BoS@dialin-212-144-081-216.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:45] <mnemoc> "spickzettel"? [19:45] <mnemoc> hi daja, blindy [19:45] <daja77> a tiny piece of paper with forbidden notes on it [19:46] <daja77> notes which shall help to pass a test [19:48] <mnemoc> aha [19:48] <mnemoc> we call that a 'torpedo' [19:48] <daja77> :) [19:48] <blindcoder> fits :) [19:54] <mnemoc> what do you mean by 'fits'? [19:54] <mnemoc> is it the same word? [19:54] BoS (~BoS@dialin-212-144-002-021.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 238 (Connection timed out) [19:54] <blindcoder> no, I mean the name fits the function :-) [19:55] <mnemoc> hehe [20:01] Action: blindcoder watching Hellsing [20:31] <SerWou> hello the Chan [20:31] <SerWou> i need help again [20:32] <SerWou> how to upgrade gnome ? [20:32] <SerWou> gtk, gconf, libgla... [20:52] <SerWou> allo ? [20:52] <netrunner> olla? [20:52] <SerWou> sup mate ? [20:53] <netrunner> mate is a tea, no? sup ... soup? a soup of mate tea? brrr [20:53] <th> sup := what'S UP [20:53] <netrunner> ah :) [20:53] <SerWou> is there a way to update all gnome stuff quickly (gtk+, gconf, libglade) ? [20:53] <netrunner> thought about 'supply mate!' or so :) [20:53] <SerWou> lol netrunner [20:54] <th> SerWou: i'd say: no [20:54] <SerWou> for netrunner (lol : lot of laugh) [20:54] <netrunner> SerWou: you know club mate? a limonade of mate tea :) [20:54] <SerWou> ;) [20:54] <netrunner> laughing out loud [20:54] <SerWou> HEHE [20:54] <th> SerWou: more: "laughing out loudly" [20:54] <SerWou> there is 2 definitions right [20:55] <SerWou> i took mine for the Internet Dictionary ;) [20:55] <netrunner> SerWou: do you want to update the packages installed on your system, or do you want to update the rock src packages? [20:55] <th> www.dict.org suggests ""laughing out loud", or "lots of love" or "luck"."" [20:55] <netrunner> hm, my car is already at 555 euro [20:55] <SerWou> update some packages to install gnome-terminal [20:56] <netrunner> svn: REPORT of '/svn/rock-linux/!svn/vcc/default': 504 Gateway Time-out (https://www.rocklinux.net) [20:56] <netrunner> hrmpf [20:56] <th> netrunner: got that here too. [20:56] <th> might be some lock screwup [20:56] <netrunner> again :) [20:57] <SerWou> i don't want to use xterm anymore [20:57] <th> i use xterm since 1993 [20:57] <th> and i see no reason to stop doing [20:57] <SerWou> sorry for you ;) [20:58] <SerWou> xterm sucks, it doesn't support copy/paste, multi tabs and more... [20:58] <th> copy/paste?? [20:58] <th> X supports that! [20:58] <th> multi tabs is a job for the window manager! [20:58] <th> so i have both for my xterms [20:59] <SerWou> i have NOTHING in mine [20:59] <SerWou> i test out gnome-terminal and konsole, they are really better [21:01] <th> not for my usecase [21:02] <SerWou> gnome looks like a pain to update, no ? [21:03] <th> gnome with all its dependants is huge! [21:04] <SerWou> yes [21:38] Action: netrunner wondering about waimea [22:10] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud2.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: "leaving" [22:51] netcrow (~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de) joined #rocklinux. [22:52] <netcrow> hiho [23:00] Action: netrunner building a rocklinux theme for waimea [23:11] netcrow (~netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de) left irc: "leaving" [23:17] <daja77> cool do you have one for kde too? [00:00] --- Wed Oct 20 2004