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[01:13] <netrunner> re
[01:32] <tre0> gn8@all
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[07:29] <blindcoder> moin
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[07:37] <blindcoder> moin netrunne1 
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[08:43] Action: blindcoder now burning a Crystal DVD for installation on his main machine
[08:54] <SMP> blindcoder: thanks for the reply. what glibc version and running / built-with kernel is that?
[08:57] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fuzzy:~$ mine -q glibc23
[08:57] <blindcoder> glibc23 2.3.2 2.0.0-rc5
[08:57] <blindcoder> running on 2.6.6 built with 2.4.24 or 25
[08:57] <blindcoder> but don't nail be on the built kernel
[08:59] <blindcoder> 2.4.25 (at least according to the svn of 2.0.00
[08:59] <SMP> yeah, that what I got last year with similar versions
[08:59] <SMP> at least it finally works now *shurg*
[09:01] <blindcoder> what's the difference between the two things?
[09:01] <SMP> sysenter is more lightweight
[09:02] <SMP> I'll try to pseudo-benchmark it once my build is through
[09:02] <blindcoder> I see
[09:18] <blindcoder> SMP: any more remarks about the menu autocreation?
[09:19] <SMP> not really. the KDE .desktop files just predate the fdo standard, so ...
[09:19] <SMP> what's your status about that now?
[09:20] <blindcoder> SMP: my status is what is currently posted to submaster
[09:20] <blindcoder> SMP: I'd create .desktop files where it makes sense and also volunteer to maintain those
[09:22] <SMP> yeah. why couldn't we agree an that right from the start? ;)
[09:23] <blindcoder> <insert diplomatic answer here> :-)
[09:23] <SMP> ;-p
[09:33] <SMP> now that is interesting.
[09:36] <SMP> gcc33 stopped supporting __attribute__((visibility())) when it was rebuilt in stage 3
[09:39] <SMP> and libunwind builds in stage 0 and 5, but not in 2 and 3
[09:44] <blindcoder> passwd: Module is unknown
[09:44] <blindcoder> what's that?
[09:44] <SMP> PAM?
[09:44] <blindcoder> probably
[09:48] <blindcoder> but I don't really understand it
[09:49] <blindcoder> it does everything up to reading /etc/shadow and then fails
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[09:57] <koffa_> hm, where can I find the crystal-thingie-homepage?
[09:57] <SMP> koffa_: there isn't one (yet)
[09:58] <koffa_> uhm, how come I have two ISO's here saing else? ;o
[09:58] <SMP> saying what?
[09:59] <koffa_> ohoh
[09:59] <koffa_> no homepage <=
[09:59] <koffa_> that might be correct, didn't think of what I wrote
[09:59] <koffa_> but where can I get the md5?
[10:00] <SMP> no official Crystal images have been releasted yet
[10:00] <blindcoder> http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/unofficial/blindcoder/crystal/
[10:00] <SMP> the code isn't even checked in ...
[10:00] <koffa_> :I
[10:00] <koffa_> someone in here recomended it to me
[10:01] <koffa_> oh well, I can try atleast (:
[10:01] <koffa_> tnx (:
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[12:32] <SMP> wow
[12:33] <SMP> 100.000.000 getpid() syscalls take: 48 seconds via int 0x80, 16 seconds via sysenter
[12:57] <blindcoder> ouch
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[13:02] <treo> sali
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[15:03] <netrunner> quite yellow, but funny to use.
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[15:45] <th> anyone has an idea how to implement a second pass in .conf without overriding custmain?
[15:54] <SerWou> Hello the chan
[15:54] <tcr> for ((i=1; i<=2; i++)); do blah; done ?
[15:55] <th> tcr: it's exactly the "blah" i'm asking for.
[15:55] <th> but it's in sctipts/functions
[15:59] <th> and i can skip some hook_eval
[16:00] <th> (merging subversion-static into subversion package for 2.0-stable
[16:00] <th> want to build static version as it's done for qt package
[16:00] <th> )
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[16:58] <th> !> usr/share/man/man3/ne_status.3: neon subversion
[16:58] <th> uhh
[17:05] <mnemoc_> subversion has it's own neon
[17:10] <th> yea i know but:
[17:10] <th>     pkginstalled neon && var_append extraconfopt " " "--with-neon=$root/usr"
[17:10] <th> and i think it shouldn't install man pages then
[17:10] <th> and it didn't before
[17:13] <th> ahhhhhhhhh
[17:13] <th> i must not forget the custmain=svn_main
[17:18] <mnemoc_> :)
[17:19] <th> another _silent_ libtiff regression: imlib
[17:19] <th> makes gnome-control-center14 fail..
[17:19] <SerWou> hello mnemoc_
[17:21] <mnemoc_> hello SerWou 
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[17:57] <mike84> hi
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[19:26] <fake> &yawn*
[19:27] <th> hey fake
[19:27] <th> fake: just tested ppc live cd 
[19:27] <_Ragnar_> moin
[19:27] <th> fake: usr/i586-unknown-linux-gnu/lib/ stuff is missing to compile things
[19:28] <th> fake: but kde run ok on ibook g4
[19:33] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc
[19:40] <fake> th: i know, the compile stuff is completely missing.
[19:41] <fake> th: this is called a 'desktop oriented livecd' - desktop as in 'user' desktop, not 'terminal collator application' ;-)
[19:41] <th> fake: well there is gcc and it can _compile_
[19:41] <th> fake: it cannot link
[19:41] <fake> th: i wrote a mail to the ML reg. this last week, iirc
[19:41] <fake> rock-user it was, i think
[19:41] <th> yes. i read that.
[19:42] <th> fake: but you were unsure about it.
[19:42] <th> fake: i just killed your doubt
[19:42] <fake> th: jep, thanks
[19:43] <th> fake: but the friend who owns that ibook was impressed
[19:43] <fake> *grins*
[19:43] <th> fake: i tried a gentoo livecd before - and the graphic did not work correctly even in framebuffer
[19:44] Action: fake has one to two weeks before CCC to release a new ISO
[19:44] <fake> daja77: ping
[19:45] <fake> (with a working compiler and the pseudonative daemon shipped _and_ a desktop wallpaper with a big, fat ROCK logo
[19:45] <fake> )
[20:05] <blindcoder> hi
[20:06] <th> hi blindy
[20:10] <blindcoder> moin th
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[22:54] <armijn> welll...
[22:54] <armijn> so rock is still alive
[22:55] <fake> o'course!
[22:57] <armijn> good
[22:57] <armijn> maybe I should reinstall my Ultra with Linux...
[22:57] <armijn> I'm thinking of giving rock another shot...just because of nostalgia
[22:58] <armijn> but I might also go for aurora...
[22:58] <armijn> so, convince me
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[22:59] <mnemoc> armijn: you want stable or unstable?
[22:59] <armijn> mnemoc: depends :)
[22:59] <armijn> I once ported 1.5.x to UltraSparc...
[22:59] <mnemoc> clifford announced a new 'official RL distribution' called Crystal some days ago
[23:00] <armijn> the only UltraSparc in the world that ever ran ROCK 1.5.x ;-)
[23:00] <mnemoc> hehe
[23:00] <armijn> mnemoc: will that be 3.0?
[23:00] <mnemoc> trunk looks more like a 3.0 but it's named 2.1
[23:01] <mnemoc> Crystal is a target
[23:01] <armijn> clifford told me at SANE I should try 3.0 when it is released
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[23:02] <mnemoc> it would be nice to have 2.0 for sparc... iirc it's not working
[23:02] <armijn> hmm, clifford said there are even live CDs for UltraSparc
[23:02] <mnemoc> yes? oh
[23:02] <armijn> well, that's what he said...
[23:02] <mnemoc> i don't have sparc to try :)
[23:02] <fake> not yet
[23:02] <fake> but soon
[23:02] <mnemoc> fake is mr. livecd :)
[23:02] Action: fake did a lot (u)sparc work on 2.1-DEV lately
[23:02] <armijn> who's doing (ultra)sparc these days?
[23:03] <mnemoc> fake: what about 2.0?
[23:04] <fake> mnemoc: no boot cd code, dietlibc doesn't work, so no bootdisk - ergo, nothing really useable
[23:09] <armijn> hmm...
[23:09] <armijn> that's some pretty heavy ranting about this "T2" on the mailinglits
[23:09] <fake> that's all fixed in 2.0
[23:09] <fake> err
[23:09] <fake> 2.1
[23:09] <armijn> s/mailinglits/mailinglist/
[23:11] <mnemoc> armijn: most attacks are about rene's wish to use C++ on core part of the build kit
[23:13] <armijn> it's funny...
[23:13] <armijn> he asks why rock uses so many developers
[23:13] <armijn> well, I know why I left...
[23:13] <mnemoc> hehe
[23:14] <fake> uses? looses... ?
[23:14] <armijn> I remember loads of ranting about my sparc work from one "rene"
[23:14] <fake> hehe
[23:14] <armijn> http://www.rocklinux.net/pipermail/rock-devel/2004-October/001098.html
[23:14] <armijn> fake: ehr, yeah...loses...not completely awake
[23:15] <fake> me neither, drinking gooood bavarian weizen beer
[23:15] <armijn> yum
[23:15] <armijn> the only good thing from bavaria >-)
[23:16] <armijn> but really, it's funny that he mentions that in his e-mail...
[23:20] Action: fake annoyed by all that uber-emotional un-productive stuff by now
[23:21] <armijn> hey, it's all a bit new for me, so...
[23:22] <armijn> I need my daily dosis of dirt
[23:26] <fake> armijn: i surely didn't mean you ;)
[23:26] Action: fake watching tv, afk...
[23:47] Action: armijn off
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