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[02:53] <demian> hi
[02:53] <demian> da u know about a complete int 80h syscalls reference? with arguments and returns.
[03:00] <mnemoc> http://www.int80h.org/ :)
[03:01] <demian> http://world.std.com/~slanning/asm/syscall_list.html
[03:01] <demian> :)
[03:02] <mnemoc> no te gusto el mio? :(
[03:03] <demian> mnemoc: ya conocia el sitio ;-)   solo buscaba una referencia completa de argumentos y retornos, una tabla justo como esa.. gracias anyways!
[03:04] <mnemoc> you are welcome :)
[03:05] <demian> mnemoc: are u .ar ?
[03:07] <mnemoc> .cl
[03:07] <demian> oh yes, now i remember.
[03:07] <mnemoc> i remember you were mike's lost friend :)
[03:07] <demian> why lost ?
[03:08] <mnemoc> you were looooong time away
[03:08] <demian> ah yes.. deje de usar linux y dedicarme a estas cosas para centrarme un poco mejor en mis prioridades.
[03:09] <mnemoc> what priorities? (if we can know)
[03:09] <demian> de hecho he estado mas del lado windows por los ambientes de desarrollo con los que trabajo. delphi, visual studio, java, etc..
[03:10] <mnemoc> monodevelop.org :)
[03:10] <demian> i know. also about dotgnu. but the university stablished a contract with microsoft and now we, the students got extra benefits and support if we use ms .net
[03:11] <mnemoc> we too :\
[03:11] <demian> really? how did?
[03:11] <mnemoc> five start loosers, msrlab, ...
[03:12] <mnemoc> there are only windows desktops available for student at my campus
[03:12] <mnemoc> five stars*
[03:12] <demian> well.. here every workstation runs linux, and some windows. servers are all running linux.
[03:13] <mnemoc> our servers are DUX, and a few linux
[03:14] <demian> but the support guys are doint horrible things with linux here.. scary and ugly things.. :s
[03:14] <mnemoc> :)
[03:15] <demian> i will be coding for ms stuff for at least 3 years more.. meanwhile i will try to my some efforts to use mono and some other linux solutions for development solutions.
[03:16] <mnemoc> www.humano2.com
[03:17] <mnemoc> it's a cool ERP written on .net for win2003 and mssql but it's opensource since friday 
[03:18] <demian> friday..
[03:18] <demian> this past friday? i am so interested in ERP solutions..
[03:19] <mnemoc> yestarday
[03:19] <mnemoc> the nice part is that is 100% generic, and customizable on the fly
[03:20] <demian> mnemoc: have u tried it?
[03:20] <mnemoc> a few times.... i was asked for comments before their 'open'
[03:21] <demian> i will try to get source right now.
[03:21] <demian> "..Durante las proximas semanas liberaremos la versión sobre Linux..."
[03:21] <demian> aun no.
[03:22] <mnemoc> there is an online demo
[03:22] <demian> dunt u know about some other erp solutions (maybe opensource) for linux?
[03:23] <mnemoc> i don't like to use prototypes on production :)
[03:23] <demian> i like to see prototypes so i could develop my own solutions.
[03:23] <demian> mainly software designs.. they help a lot.
[03:24] <mnemoc> lol, it is downloadable from www.humano2.com
[03:24] <mnemoc> 20M o_O
[03:24] <mnemoc> http://www.humano2.com/about/download/H2_Install.zip
[03:25] Action: demian started download 2 minutes ago..
[03:25] <mnemoc> :)
[03:25] <demian> mnemoc: da u develop bussiness solutions?
[03:26] <mnemoc> yep
[03:26] <mnemoc> i have to maintain a family :p
[03:27] <demian> so dunt u know about some bussiness architectures and software design for PoS and ERP? once i started my own design.. it become ugly.. now i need to start a new one but want to take ideas from experienced ppl..
[03:28] <demian> we will talk later.. i got to go.
[03:28] <demian> bye
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[07:55] <blindcoder> moin
[09:26] <[anders2]> niom
[09:31] <blindcoder> whatever :)
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[11:00] <treo> sali
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[13:14] <th> netrunner: sounds promising when can i expect rock package in sm?
[13:26] <SerWou> anyone runs enlightenment here ?
[13:26] <th> SerWou: why do you think that?
[13:26] <SerWou> what do you mean ?
[13:26] <th> why do you think everyone uses enlightenment here?
[13:27] <mnemoc_> th: what rock package?
[13:27] <th> mnemoc_: "* netrunne1 is now using yeahwm"
[13:27] <SerWou> it's a question, to know if someone use it or not
[13:27] <th> mnemoc_: "yeahwm"
[13:27] <mnemoc_> :)
[13:27] <th> SerWou: ahh sorry - missread that.
[13:27] <th> SerWou: me not
[13:27] <SerWou> i'm running xfce, i'm trying enlightenment
[13:29] <mnemoc_> enlightment is _damn_ fat
[13:29] <SerWou> but it's the most advanced UI i never saw
[13:30] <mnemoc_> th, netrunner: http://phrat.de/index.html <--- what can be cool on it???
[13:35] <th> mnemoc_: sounds just like what i'd like
[13:36] <th> mnemoc_: currently using pekwm
[13:36] <th> mnemoc_: but i think pekwm is superior in it's configuration flexibility
[13:41] <th> mnemoc_: what wm would you consider cool?
[13:44] <mnemoc_> cool? enlightment is cool, but i would never use it
[13:45] <mnemoc_> i like gnome and gtk, but i like k* apps :\
[13:47] <mnemoc_> xfce is a nice lightweight wm
[13:50] <valentin> how about twm ?
[13:50] Action: blindcoder throwing icewm into the WM war
[13:51] <valentin> i'll use the first wm that comes up with full X.Org rgba visual support ,)
[13:51] <valentin> s/first/first functional/
[13:52] <blindcoder> what's rgba visual and why is it so important?
[13:52] <blindcoder> (is it as important as translucent windows?)
[13:52] <valentin> it is important _for_ translucent windows
[13:52] <blindcoder> oh
[13:53] <blindcoder> so it has like _no_ right of existance at all?
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[13:53] <th> mnemoc_: i like it lightweight and i like it with groupability
[13:53] <valentin> you already have tranclucent windows with the composition manager, but thats a generic transparency
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[13:53] <th> hi praenti 
[13:54] <blindcoder> valentin: I have yet to see an actually useful usage of translucent windows
[13:54] <valentin> on screen displays
[13:55] <valentin> ok, that is not much
[13:55] <blindcoder> isn't there xosd already?
[13:56] <valentin> does it use rgba or static screenshots ?
[13:57] <blindcoder> oh, btw: KDE uses the /usr/share/applications/ automatically
[13:57] <blindcoder> valentin: in terms I understand?
[13:57] <valentin> and anotherthing that is posible with X.Org is pagers and expose functions
[13:58] <valentin> does the tranclucent window background change ?
[13:58] <blindcoder> valentin: IIRC it's solid
[13:58] <valentin> so you cannot see a video moving under your osd window
[13:59] <valentin> but i have to admid that this is all toy stuff.
[13:59] <valentin> a real pager would be cool though
[13:59] <blindcoder> well, generally I'm not against toy stuff
[13:59] <valentin> real == not working with screenshots
[14:01] <blindcoder> but I think that the real usage of something like that lies in Set-Top-Boxes and DVDplayers et al, hardly on the desktop
[14:02] <valentin> pager / expose ?
[14:02] <blindcoder> osd
[14:02] <valentin> realtime shrinking and deforming of windows
[14:02] <valentin> tranclucent window decorations ?
[14:03] <valentin> translucency while moving windows around ?
[14:03] <valentin> all toy stuff, but cool
[14:04] <blindcoder> sorry, pizza is currently inducing lag here
[14:05] <blindcoder> translucent window decorations remind me of windows mplayer
[14:05] <blindcoder> translucency while moving around? not on this laptop, I'm afraid
[14:06] <blindcoder> that would need a lot of cpu for frequently / constantly changing windews
[14:06] <blindcoder> and I'm not keen on buying a 3 GHz processor just for my WM
[14:08] <valentin> blindy: most of that is done by your graphic card
[14:08] <valentin> except deformation
[14:08] <valentin> s/is/can be/
[14:09] <blindcoder> 4535 frames in 5.0 seconds = 907.000 FPS
[14:09] <blindcoder> glxgears output
[14:09] <blindcoder> I'm barely able to play bzflag in medium quality here
[14:09] <valentin> it is the 2d performance that matters
[14:10] <valentin> like rectangular area copy speed
[14:11] <valentin> if one would have a wm that uses composite and damage, moving windows around and pager stuff would be less cpu intensive than without
[14:12] Action: valentin away
[16:32] <netrunner> oh, I seem to have started something :)
[16:32] Action: netrunner reading backlog 
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[18:16] <th> netrunner: do you know pekwm?
[18:19] <netrunner> th: I opened the page before I left, but didn't look at it toroughly.
[18:20] <netrunner> th: the yeahwm.conf has a problem, I'll discard and resubmit.
[18:20] <mnemoc_> pukewm?
[18:21] <mnemoc_> th: looks nice
[18:22] <netrunner> windowmaker 0.90.0 building ...
[18:35] <th> mnemoc_: it is. and configuration is great
[18:42] Action: netrunner modified cron.daily/90-kdm to actually work.
[19:04] <netrunner> th: does pekwm have xinerama support?
[19:05] <th> netrunner: i don't know
[19:06] <netrunner> ah, yes.
[19:07] <daja77> fake: ?
[19:23] <daja77> th: strange stuff with libtiff
[19:25] <th> daja77: you name it
[19:26] <daja77> kdegraphics build fine here, the 3.3.1 version
[19:27] Action: daja77 just back from md :)
[19:27] <th> daja77: it builds fine here too - now
[19:27] <th> 2184 builds total, 2152 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[19:27] <th> reverted the libtiff
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[19:29] <daja77> that's fine, i did not know what crap they released
[19:29] <daja77> i just pulled it, built it, whcih it did with no errors ..
[20:04] <netrunner> hm, we don't have galeon? or where is it?
[20:04] <th> dropped from stable due to mozilla update
[20:05] <th> same for epiphany
[20:05] <netrunner> hm. not that I'd need it, I just saw that it was updated and wanted to update the package.
[20:05] <netrunner> I' am fine with mozilla :)
[20:07] <th> netrunner: so please undo the dropping; update and test if it builds with mozilla-1.7.3
[20:07] <th> the old version did not with 1.7.2
[20:08] <netrunner> th: I cannot find it in my trunk, where should it be?
[20:08] <th> netrunner: gimme a second
[20:08] <th> i'm talking of 2.0-stable
[20:09] <th> r4095 dropped epiphany and galeon
[20:10] <th> netrunner: you can just checkout 2.0-stable/package/gnome2/galeon with revision 4094
[20:11] <netrunner> th: it was obviously also dropped from 2.1
[20:11] <th> netrunner: yes although i'm not sure about it - i expected it.
[20:11] <netrunner> th: I don't care about it very much. If anybody desperately needs it, we can reintegrate it. 
[20:11] <th> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.net/rock-linux/branches/2.0-stable/package/gnome2/galeon -r 4094
[20:12] <th> netrunner: would be nice to know if it builds
[20:16] <netrunner> th: I just realized that it was an update to the unstable branch. interested anyway?
[20:17] <th> netrunner: that does not sound interesting to stable :-/
[20:17] <netrunner> jup.
[20:20] <netrunner> th: there is still 2.4.26 in -stable?
[20:21] <th> netrunner: daja77 sent update patch for 2.4.27 looks good in my refbuild. expect commit of update to 2.4.27 soon
[20:23] <netrunner> th: I do it manually now. :)
[20:24] <netrunner> th: is that on ml?
[20:24] <th> no
[20:24] <th> netrunner: i can send you svn diff
[20:25] <th> refbuild just finished
[20:25] <netrunner> th: that would be nice.
[20:25] <th> wait a second
[20:27] <blindcoder> hi
[20:27] <netrunner> as long as security updates find their way into stable, I'll use it for my new server build.
[20:28] <th> i'll give my best
[20:29] <th> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/27.patch
[20:30] Action: blindcoder having a Zombie-Cocktail. Anyone else want one?
[20:31] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you deliver
[20:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: only within the confinements of my flat :)
[20:33] Action: netrunner spawning a wormhole
[20:33] Action: blindcoder firing his anti-neutrino-gun at the strange thing materialising next to him
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[20:37] <th> netrunner: everything ok with that patch? ;-)
[20:39] <netrunner> th: jup, curl|patched it.
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[20:39] <th> netrunner: doing a full build?
[20:39] <netrunner> th: probably.
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[20:54] <th> netrunner: i can give you the whole change i'm planning to commit soon
[20:57] <th> netrunner: includes subversion cleanup
[20:58] <th> netrunner: firefox+thunderbird+moxilla update
[20:58] <th> netrunner: and few more
[20:59] <th> netrunner: http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/full-journal-2004-10-24.patch
[20:59] <th> netrunner: i'm off now
[20:59] <th> cya
[21:02] <netrunner> th: thx, applied.
[21:23] Action: blindcoder now going to have a good, long alc-induced sleep
[21:23] <blindcoder> good night
[21:24] <daja77> sleep well ;)
[21:27] <netrunner> n8 blindy
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[22:07] <duncanmv_> hi guys
[22:07] <duncanmv_> I need a patch for NX rocklinux has in it's ports tree
[22:07] <netrunner> duncanmv_: how do you know there's only girls here?
[22:07] <netrunner> s/girls/guys/
[22:08] <netrunner> duncanmv_: you can take it if you want :)
[22:08] <duncanmv_> netrunner: where?
[22:09] <netrunner> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/
[22:10] <duncanmv_> thanks man
[22:10] <duncanmv_> what dir is nx-x11?
[22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: I removed it :)
[22:11] <duncanmv_> whaaat?
[22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: what do you need from it?
[22:11] <duncanmv_> the gcc 3.4 patch
[22:11] <netrunner> duncanmv_: the package was unfinished. 
[22:12] <duncanmv_> so the patches are lots now?
[22:12] <duncanmv_> lost
[22:12] <netrunner> no. 
[22:12] <netrunner> that's the benefit of versioning systems :)
[22:13] <netrunner> duncanmv_: I can mail it to you if you'd like
[22:13] <duncanmv_> netrunner: great. duncan@kde.org
[22:15] <netrunner> duncanmv_: out.
[22:16] <netrunner> (I mean the mail, not that I command you to leave ;)
[22:20] <duncanmv_> lol
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[22:29] <duncanmv_> lets see if it builds
[22:51] <netrunner> duncanmv_: that is for nx-X11-1.4.0-3.tar.gz ... just fyi
[22:51] <duncanmv_> built here ;-)
[22:51] <duncanmv_> now I am coding the install script
[22:51] <netrunner> duncanmv_: you are welcom eto contribute it to rock :)
[22:52] <duncanmv_> netrunner: I am using archlinux :-(
[22:52] <duncanmv_> but should not be hard to port
[22:52] <duncanmv_> after all, I am porting it from gentoo
[22:52] <netrunner> duncanmv_: what I always wanted was a installation where I could have the nx X11 in parallel, but I think this is not possible.
[22:52] <duncanmv_> what for?
[22:53] <netrunner> duncanmv_: just use it for remote stuff, and use a normal uptodate xorg X11 for daily work
[22:54] <duncanmv_> netrunner: well, thats how NX works
[22:54] <duncanmv_> you have NX in /usr/NX, and run nxserver-freenx
[22:54] <duncanmv_> you use xorg local, and nxserver remotely
[22:54] <duncanmv_> no conflicts
[22:54] <duncanmv_> thats why you don't do make insall (or you break  your X11)
[22:54] <duncanmv_> you read the README and copy some libx to /usr/NX
[22:56] <netrunner> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86816 *rofl*
[22:56] <netrunner> duncanmv_: oh, there might have been my fault :)
[22:57] <duncanmv_> ;-)
[23:01] <duncanmv_> ok, must go
[23:01] <duncanmv_> thanks Andreas
[23:01] <duncanmv_> cya
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