[00:01] <daja77> the new imagemagick now builds as well 
[00:47] <treo> gn8 @ all
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[01:03] <demian> hi
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[02:51] <madtux> good evening
[03:28] <mnemoc_> moin!
[03:28] <madtux> mnemoc_, !!!!!!!!!
[03:29] <mnemoc_> darktux!!!
[03:30] <madtux> :)
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[07:58] <rocky_> Hey everyone HELLO
[08:24] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder
[08:24] <blindcoder> moin
[08:25] <rocky_> how are you blindcoder
[08:25] <blindcoder> sleepy as usual at this ungodly time :/
[08:26] <rocky_> why what's the time where you are??
[08:27] <blindcoder> 08:26 AM
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[08:29] <blindcoder> :P
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[09:48] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:21] <netrunner> you shocked him :)
[10:22] <blindcoder> yeah, now it's my fault again ;P
[10:28] <blindcoder> somehow it feels like ROCK has been progressing really slow lately
[10:28] <netrunner> well, the holidays are over  :)
[10:29] <netrunner> and rene left.
[10:30] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, but somehow it feels like overall interest in ROCK has shrunk
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[10:39] <daja77> hm the activity in the project has not decreased as i can see it so far
[10:40] <blindcoder> well, maybe it's just me
[10:40] <blindcoder> moin daja77, btw ;)
[10:41] <treo> moin
[10:41] <daja77> moin blindy
[10:41] <blindcoder> moin treo 
[10:42] <daja77> nah but indeed you are quite fast atm ;)
[10:42] <blindcoder> daja77: well, some of my latter patches already caused conflicts with my newer ones :/
[10:43] <blindcoder> and I'm still unsure what to do with the menu creation
[10:43] <daja77> yeah just saw that stf rediffed one of mine
[10:43] <blindcoder> I know that it works flawlessly with at least KDE and icewm
[10:43] <blindcoder> but I don't know if clifford would apply it anyway
[10:45] <daja77> well if it does not interfere with other changes and does not create a maintainance mess i guess it will
[10:45] <blindcoder> well, define maintenance mess
[10:46] <blindcoder> the name of binaries rarely chagne
[10:46] <blindcoder> so it's mostly create-and-forget
[10:46] <daja77> good
[10:46] <blindcoder> KDE automatically searches /usr/share/applications/
[10:47] <blindcoder> icewm needs a postinstall or menu-creating script
[10:47] <blindcoder> (the menu format hasn't changed since I started using icewm years ago)
[10:47] <daja77> :)
[10:47] <blindcoder> (so that's also create-and-forget)
[10:52] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you are firm with .desktop syntax you might check my change to the 90-kdm cron script ...
[10:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: hate to dump it on you, but Type=XSession doesn't exist in desktop-spec 0.9.4
[10:55] <blindcoder> netrunner:  There are 4 types of desktop entries: Application, Link, FSDevice  and Directory.
[10:55] <daja77> hi netrunner 
[10:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: all the files that come with kdm have it. maybe it's a special type for kdm?
[10:57] <netrunner> hi daja77 
[10:57] Action: netrunner lost his car yesterday.
[10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, KDE doesn't really care that much about the desktop-specification
[10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: lost as in "I know I put it here and it isn't here anymore?"
[11:04] <blindcoder> GRAH
[11:04] <blindcoder> how can I capture the output of set -x to a file?
[11:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: lost to the high-bidder of the auction :)
[11:05] <blindcoder> ah
[11:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: any idea?
[11:14] <blindcoder> ...
[11:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: for?
[11:38] <netrunner> ah 
[11:44] <netrunner> no.
[11:44] <blindcoder> :(
[11:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: 2>foo
[11:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: it is printed to stderr 
[11:52] <blindcoder> netrunner: no here it opens a fd 10
[11:52] <blindcoder> and if I do 10> it opens an fd 11
[11:52] <blindcoder> and so on
[11:53] <blindcoder> netrunner: is System/Monitor okay for driftnet?
[11:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: yes. or does something like Coworker/Observe exist? ;)
[11:59] <blindcoder> no :)
[11:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: does dsniff work in X11 or terminal?
[11:59] <blindcoder> I see that it depends on X but I can't see if it's console or not
[12:00] <netrunner> blindcoder: it is X. it reads the http traffic, greps image urls and displays the images in a window.
[12:00] <netrunner> funny thing to watch on a congress :)
[12:01] <blindcoder> yes :)
[12:01] <blindcoder> well, I'm asking because against all odds of it being wanted and/or applied I'm currently creating .desktop files
[12:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: no problem :)
[12:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: can't you make a ROCKLInux submenu?
[12:02] <netrunner> afair all dists do so
[12:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: in icewm? sure
[12:02] <blindcoder> in KDE? no idea
[12:02] <blindcoder> I really don't know how KDE creates its menu
[12:05] Action: blindcoder --> lunch
[12:30] <blindcoder> back
[12:38] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:38] <blindcoder> ripperx: Network/P2P? :)
[12:44] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you not employed any more? :)
[12:44] Action: netrunner --> lunch
[12:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: sure am, but there's absolutely nothing to do
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[13:45] <netrunner> once again ... forgot to switch on my build server. I wish it would support wol
[13:52] <th> daja77: nice. so what do i have to do? update libtiff+libtool? can you send a patch for that?
[14:01] <blindcoder> netrunner: just don't turn it off
[14:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's loud. 
[14:04] <blindcoder> you'll get used to it ;)
[14:04] <netrunner> :)
[14:04] <netrunner> does crystal use gcc34?
[14:04] <netrunner> I wonder if I should use the idling build machine @uni to build myself a new p4 build.
[14:06] <blindcoder> sure does
[14:06] <blindcoder> netrunner: but make sure to apply the patches I sent or you will run into trouble
[14:08] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:08] <blindcoder> freedesktop doesn't have a religion category
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[15:20] <th> anyone knows where to find ISO9899:199404?
[15:25] <blindcoder>  what's that?
[15:25] <blindcoder> .desktop count: 113
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[15:31] <th> blindcoder: thats an ancient standard of the c language
[15:32] <praenti> blindcoder: present?
[15:32] <praenti> hi
[15:32] <th> hi praenti 
[15:33] <blindcoder> praenti: sure
[15:33] <praenti> blindcoder: Am I one of the 3 persons?
[15:33] <blindcoder> praenti: jepp :)
[15:33] <praenti> just to get sure.
[15:33] <praenti> ok ;-). otherwise i have looked for another solution
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[16:02] <blindcoder> 129 desktop files
[16:02] <blindcoder> *phew*
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[16:27] <blindcoder> welcome to the next round of menu autocreation!
[16:27] Action: blindcoder now going home
[16:48] <netrunner> blindy being theatralic today :)
[16:49] <th> tehatralic?
[16:50] <netrunner> :)
[16:51] <daja77> :D
[16:53] <daja77> th: using the submaster patches?
[16:53] <th> daja77: which patches?
[16:54] <daja77> that one for libtool and libtiff
[16:54] <th> does it apply to trunk?
[16:54] <daja77> can have a further look later
[16:54] <daja77> i have no idea
[16:54] <daja77> have to go again
[16:56] <th> ok. currently i'm running a do-not-touch refbuild. 
[16:56] <th> and will commit a changeset if it finishes fine
[16:57] <th> after that i add libtool+libtiff then
[17:02] <th> is there some tool which can find automatically all required shared libraries to fulfill dynamic requirements of a static lib?
[17:03] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, I have to do _something_, no?
[17:50] <netrunner> th: I bet you can do this with some objdump magic, no?
[18:15] <th> netrunner: well this does not find any lib for me. yea i could dump the symbols i need and crawl through the libs to satisfy them...
[18:28] <netrunner> th: objdump/find/grep :) 
[18:29] <netrunner> not that I knew how to do such a thing :)
[18:30] <jsaw> hi
[18:30] <jsaw> th: _dynamic_ requirements of a _static_ lib????
[18:30] <blindcoder> jsaw: like glibc :)
[18:31] <blindcoder> it's next to impossible to link glibc statically
[18:31] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[18:31] <th> jsaw: to be more exact: the _dynamic_ requirements to link an application caused by a static lib
[18:31] <jsaw> I know, the c-lib is always dynamic.
[18:31] <netrunner> hi jigsaw, hello the SerWou 
[18:32] <blindcoder> jsaw: only in glibc
[18:32] <jsaw> jigsaw :)
[18:32] <jsaw> hi netrunner 
[18:32] <jsaw> and ldd doesn't give you the answers, th?
[18:33] <th> jsaw: i should run ldd on that static lib?
[18:35] <th> jsaw: nm can tell me about the static lib requirements. that way i know the symbols i need. what i'm searching for a is a tool to find libs to provide these symbols
[18:35] <jsaw> oh yeah right, ldd only works with dynamic.
[18:37] <netrunner> th: objdump -T /usr/lib/*so | grep mysym ?
[18:38] <th> netrunner: yea - something like it. but it's still far from a solution
[18:38] <netrunner> (something like that)
[18:38] <netrunner> :)
[18:39] <jsaw> th: why do you need this, btw?
[18:39] <th> jsaw: to link an application
[18:39] <th> jsaw: which uses libqt.a
[18:39] <jsaw> th: which application?
[18:39] <th> jsaw: on different machines the requirements are different
[18:39] <th> jsaw: own application
[18:40] <jsaw> then use pkgconfig
[18:40] <th> jsaw: sometimes libqt.a wants libmng, sometimes it want's libXrandr
[18:40] <th> jsaw: that depends on the qt build
[18:40] <jsaw> yes, see pkgconfig
[18:42] <th> oh wow qt provides a .pc
[18:42] <th> i did _not_ know that
[18:42] <th> yea thats just the solution
[18:42] <th> thanks!
[18:42] <jsaw> :)
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[19:04] <netrunner> th: in case you are still interested, a yeahwm update is available.
[19:05] <th> netrunner: i'm afraid it lacks some configuration coolness when compared to pekwm
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[19:33] <madtux> hello
[19:34] <madtux> smp awake?
[19:37] <madtux> how do i recover deleted files from an ext3 fs? .. PLEASE tell me i can
[19:37] <th> madtux: small files?
[19:37] <madtux> th well i just removed about 6gb of files
[19:38] <madtux> anything that i can recover will be gaining
[19:38] <th> madtux: it's very hard to impossible to recover files bigger than 8k
[19:38] <madtux> thank th.
[19:38] <madtux> i think i'm ready to kill myself
[19:39] <th> cause ext3 wipes out indirect inode references on delete (in contrast to what ext2 does)
[19:39] <th> but you might have chances to recover very small files
[19:39] <madtux> i know .. but i didn't want to loose my hope
[19:40] <madtux> thanks tobias.
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[20:01] <blindcoder> poor madtux. I know how he feels
[20:02] <netrunner> yeah, bet we've all been through this *glaringatraid*
[20:02] <blindcoder> hmhm
[20:02] <blindcoder> 200 GB *cry
[20:02] <blindcoder> *
[20:03] <th> ~8h hours of recovery of a source tree on ext2
[20:03] <blindcoder> 2days of recovery of two(!) sourcetrees on rm -rf'ed ext3 by diving through the raw device :(
[20:04] <blindcoder> s/sourcetrees/scripts/
[20:04] <th> blindcoder: what was your success rate?
[20:04] <blindcoder> don't do three things at the same time
[20:04] <th> ahh scripts ok
[20:06] <blindcoder> damn, I have too much coffee in my fridge
[20:06] <blindcoder> even the orange juice pack smells like coffee
[20:08] Action: netrunner killed 4 lvms while guessing the masterblock version for recovery. only succeded on the last, which contained movies
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[20:09] <th> netrunner: so you got the most important stuff?
[20:09] <blindcoder> hehe
[20:10] <th> netrunner: i used to use "mkfs.ext -n" to report the superblock it would create on the block device
[20:10] <blindcoder> I'm currently thinking about if I really want to do a 10-disk RAID-5
[20:10] <th> blindcoder: you shouldn't go with a spare disk then
[20:11] <th> s,with,without,
[20:11] <blindcoder> th: well, I thought about the normal raid-5 disk plus a hotspare one
[20:11] <th> blindcoder: perhaps consider raid-50
[20:11] <blindcoder> hm
[20:11] <blindcoder> two striped raid-5s?
[20:11] <th> yes
[20:11] <th> to have more redundancy
[20:11] <th> and to have to raid sets
[20:12] <th> s,to,two,
[20:12] <th> so only a part gets degraded in case of trouble
[20:12] <blindcoder> sounds reasonable
[20:13] <th> 10 drives? hmm one for spare. and then 3x raid5 with 3 disks. and raid5 over these 3 raids
[20:13] <th> let's call it raid-55 from now on
[20:13] <th> ;>
[20:13] <blindcoder> can you add one hotspare to three raid-5 configurations?
[20:13] <th> blindcoder: depends on you raid subsystem
[20:13] <blindcoder> raidutils
[20:13] <th> blindcoder: i don't know about this in software raid
[20:14] <th> blindcoder: but i quite know that you don't want raidutils but mdadm
[20:14] <blindcoder> th: mdadm doesn't have raidreconf
[20:14] <th> what is raidreconf anyways?
[20:14] <blindcoder> and since 10 disks are quite expensive
[20:15] <blindcoder> raidreconf is a tool to enlarge raid5(!) configurations without loosing all the data on it
[20:15] <th> i see
[20:15] <blindcoder> or to move a raid1 to raid5
[20:15] <blindcoder> or the other way round
[20:15] <blindcoder> and until mdadm has this I will keep using raidutils
[20:16] <th> yea - i see
[20:16] <th> i've too few exp. with sw raid
[20:17] <blindcoder> I can't brag with a _lot_ of, either. Just sometimes used it over the last few years
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[20:42] <SerWou> guys
[20:42] <SerWou> Hello
[20:42] <blindcoder> gal
[20:42] <SerWou> i've got an error againnn ;)
[20:43] <SerWou> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9
[20:43] <SerWou>     Can't open /lib/modules//boot/initrd-2.6.9.img: No such directory.
[20:43] <SerWou>     Usage: /sbin/mkinitrd [ kernel-version ]
[20:43] <blindcoder> that error is obvious and left as an excercise for the reader
[20:43] <th> must be trunk ;)
[20:43] <th> so user can be expected to be experienced enough
[20:44] <blindcoder> th: sorry to dump it on you, but it's also in stable :D
[20:44] <th> blindcoder: there is no 2.6.9 in stable ;-p
[20:44] <blindcoder> SerWou: just use mkinitrd 2.6.9-rock
[20:44] <blindcoder> th: damn
[20:45] <SerWou> only that blindcoder
[20:45] <blindcoder> SerWou: or mkinitrd `uname -r`
[20:45] <SerWou> 2.6.9 in my case
[20:48] <SerWou> other questio
[20:48] <SerWou> what is the booloader, it's not grub, i have to edit the boot loader to tell him i want to boot on the second kernel to see if it work
[20:49] <blindcoder> can only be lilo then
[20:49] <SerWou> in /boot i can see only grub
[20:49] <blindcoder> then it must be grub
[20:49] <SerWou> but no grub.conf file
[20:50] <blindcoder> wouldn't that be /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:50] <SerWou> ho yes
[20:50] <SerWou> got it
[20:50] <SerWou> thanks
[20:50] <SerWou> why it's different on rock ?
[20:50] <blindcoder> I've never seen it different
[20:50] <th> SerWou: it isn't
[20:50] <th> SerWou: it's different on other distros
[20:50] <blindcoder> hehe :)
[20:51] <th> SerWou: menu.lst is the "grub" default
[20:51] <SerWou> ho ok
[20:51] <SerWou> i'm a Linux AND rock newbie ;)
[20:51] <netrunner> there are green coloured dists that have a global config file on some place ...
[20:51] <blindcoder> netrunner: don't remind me of bad memories
[20:51] <SerWou> hehe
[20:51] <SerWou> what is that ?
[20:51] <blindcoder> that file was scary
[20:52] <th> SerWou: he is trying to forget about...
[20:52] <th> ...
[20:52] <th> *shout* /etc/rc.config *shout*
[20:52] <netrunner>  /ignore th
[20:53] <th> scnr
[20:53] <netrunner> th: you say bad words, one should scrub your mouth with soap
[20:54] <th> ...soap... you named it
[20:57] <SerWou> i don't know that
[20:57] <SerWou> i bet i will never know it
[20:58] <SerWou> vi and vim are doing a mess when i'm editing a file, when i move arrows, it inserts characters, i can't delete characters, etc.. what's happend ?
[20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: a) only invoke vim
[20:59] <SerWou> nano works fine
[20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: b) echo -e "set nocompatible\nsyntax on\nset backspace=2" >>~/.vimrc
[20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: c) use vim again :-)
[21:00] <SerWou> what is this command ?
[21:00] <blindcoder> SerWou: it is creating a basic usable vimrc for you
[21:00] <SerWou> can you explain to me the error and the solution
[21:00] <SerWou> Oh ok
[21:00] <blindcoder> the error is that vi doesn't know about arrow keys
[21:00] <SerWou> ha ok
[21:00] <blindcoder> the solution is to only invoke vim (with the m) and create a usable vimrc
[21:01] <th> u can even use evim
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[21:02] <blindcoder> evim?
[21:02] <blindcoder> I knew gvim
[21:03] <th> blindcoder: easy vim. always in insert mode
[21:03] <blindcoder> th: so... how do you save?
[21:04] <th> blindcoder: it's a gvim
[21:04] <blindcoder> ah
[21:04] <th> blindcoder: you menu and toolbar
[21:04] <th> blindcoder: bad thing if you have a void $DISPLAY
[21:04] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[21:04] <blindcoder> DISPLAY? what's that? :)
[21:04] <SerWou> let's try
[21:04] <th> blindcoder: then you get a always-in-insert-mode-non-_g_-vim
[21:05] <th> blindcoder: but i hope you know of C-o?
[21:05] <blindcoder> ouch
[21:05] <blindcoder> ehmm... well... now that you mention it...
[21:05] <blindcoder> no
[21:06] <th> it's a one-time command-mode from insert mode
[21:06] <th> blindcoder: so you can save with "C-o :w"
[21:06] <blindcoder> I see
[21:06] <SerWou> still the same error : up and down arrows write A or B or C or D ...
[21:06] <th> and are back in i-mode 
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[21:06] <blindcoder> SerWou: what's your terminal?
[21:06] <blindcoder> that's really strange
[21:10] <SerWou> eterm
[21:10] <SerWou> i like gnome-terminal and konsole
[21:10] <SerWou> but i can't isntall one or the other
[21:10] <blindcoder> hmm
[21:10] <blindcoder> sorry, no idea
[21:11] <SerWou> damned
[21:11] <th> SerWou: try the following
[21:11] <SerWou> ok
[21:11] <th> second
[21:11] <SerWou> no problem
[21:12] <th> tell me output of ":set cpo"
[21:12] <th> inside vim
[21:12] <SerWou> cpoptions=aAbBcCdDeEfFgijJkKlLmMnoOprsStuvwWxy$!%*<
[21:13] <th> so you .vimrc did not work
[21:13] <th> SerWou: give a :set nocp
[21:13] <th> SerWou: and you cursors should no longer do mess
[21:13] <th> s,you,your,
[21:13] <SerWou> the cursor moved out
[21:13] <th> "moved out"
[21:14] <SerWou> go on the top of my blank document
[21:14] <th> you mean that fixes your problem?
[21:14] <SerWou> yes
[21:14] <th> fine
[21:14] <th> and now check your ~/.vimrc
[21:14] <SerWou> i can use backspace
[21:14] <SerWou> can't
[21:14] <th> open that file and tell me what's in
[21:15] <SerWou> damned, i did a filename mistake
[21:16] <SerWou> ok
[21:16] <SerWou> it works
[21:16] <SerWou> THANKS
[21:16] <th> is your backspace ok?
[21:16] <SerWou> yes
[21:16] <th> fine
[21:16] <th> so have fun
[21:16] <SerWou> it was my fault, i called it wimrc ;)
[21:16] <th> i'll bbl
[21:16] <SerWou> a last question for tonight, sorry guys ;)
[21:17] <th> shoot
[21:17] <th> but shoot fast
[21:17] <SerWou> title  ROCK Linux 2.4.25
[21:17] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro
[21:17] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
[21:17] <SerWou> title  ROCK Linux 2.6.9
[21:17] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro
[21:17] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
[21:17] <netrunner> *peng*
[21:17] <SerWou> the 2.6.9 boots on the 2.4.25 ;)
[21:17] <blindcoder> ehm... yes...
[21:17] <SerWou> how can i fix that
[21:17] <SerWou> i made a mistake, i know ;)
[21:17] Action: blindcoder keeps repeating himself...
[21:17] <th> SerWou: the lines starting with "kernel" specify the kernel image to use
[21:17] <blindcoder> that error is obvious and left as an excercise for the reader
[21:17] <th> it's "/boot/vmlinuz" in both cases
[21:18] <th> i'm off
[21:18] <SerWou> i read the Rockhand book 3 months ago, i started to translate it in French without any help, i stopped this work...
[21:18] <SerWou> ok
[21:18] <SerWou> i see
[21:24] <SerWou> humm, VFS error
[21:26] <SerWou> what can be my error here ? root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro
[21:26] <netrunner> SerWou: you have no harddisk?
[21:26] <blindcoder> *lol*
[21:27] <blindcoder> SerWou: part1 might not be your / fs
[21:27] <SerWou> sorry for the chan pollution :
[21:27] <SerWou> title  ROCK Linux 2.4.25
[21:27] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro
[21:27] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
[21:27] <SerWou> title  ROCK Linux 2.6.9
[21:27] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro
[21:27] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img
[21:27] <SerWou> 2.4.25 works fine
[21:28] <blindcoder> what's the fs you used?
[21:28] <SerWou> fs... i don't know, the default one, devfs i guess ?
[21:28] <netrunner> SerWou: you are repeating the error. look at it.
[21:28] <SerWou> initrd.img ?
[21:28] <blindcoder> SerWou: ehm, no. I doubt that :)
[21:29] <netrunner> SerWou: 100points
[21:29] <SerWou> damned
[21:29] <SerWou> brb
[21:29] <blindcoder> reiserfs, ext2, ext3, jfs, xfs
[21:29] <SerWou> little SerWou is fighting against Big Linux
[21:29] <SerWou> ext3
[21:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: I doubt that's the problem. I think he missed his filesystem in the new kernel
[21:29] <netrunner> SerWou: comment the initrd out, you won't need it probably.
[21:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: I doubt that. if he is using standard kernel, it has all fs enabled.
[21:30] <blindcoder> 2.6.9 is not rock standard kernel, now is it?
[21:30] <netrunner> SerWou: the rock kernels name is vmlinuz-2.6.9-rock iirc
[21:31] <SerWou> vmlinuz-2.6.9 for me, is it important to have -rock ?
[21:31] <netrunner> SerWou:  do you have a file named /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 ?
[21:31] <SerWou> yes
[21:31] <SerWou> and initrd-2.6.9.img
[21:31] <SerWou> gonna fix that too
[21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: stop confoosing him :)
[21:32] <SerWou> Rocklinux 2.4.25 works fine
[21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: 2.6.9 isn't even in trunk yet
[21:32] <netrunner> blindcoder: why? chaos is the first step to enlightenment.
[21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: oh, right
[21:32] <SerWou> hehe
[21:33] <netrunner> (not e-17, that's still unstable)
[21:33] <blindcoder> netrunner: hehe
[21:33] <SerWou> 2.6.9 is not supported by rock ?
[21:34] <blindcoder> SerWou: sure is
[21:34] <blindcoder> SerWou: just not yet :)
[21:34] <SerWou> haaaaaaaaa
[21:34] <SerWou> i don't know what to do
[21:34] <SerWou> i'm lossssssst
[21:34] <SerWou> i don't want to install Windauze
[21:34] <netrunner> SerWou: tell us the error you get while booting. 
[21:34] <SerWou> ok
[21:34] <SerWou> give me a sec
[21:35] Action: netrunner now stopping the wild guessing here.
[21:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: dakara! he doesn't have ext? in his kernel
[21:35] <SMP> SerWou: huh? 2.6.9 works just fine for running a Rock. just not for the kernel-headers during build
[21:35] <netrunner> blindcoder: so why doesn't he compile it in now?
[21:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: because you're confusing him about filenames
[21:36] <netrunner> SMP: don't confuse him with advanced theories like headers
[21:36] Action: blindcoder is great in putting the blame on someone, don't forget that :)
[21:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: you could have told him.
[21:36] Action: netrunner blaming back. *blam*
[21:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: I tried but you flooded my super-special and mega-accurate information away :P
[21:36] <SMP> netrunner: tell blindcoder not to scare people away by saying "doesn't work" ;>
[21:37] <blindcoder> SMP: I never said that! *cry*
[21:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: stop scaring people away by saying "doesn't work"
[21:37] <SerWou> tssssssssssssss tsssssssss tssssssss
[21:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: I never said that! *cry*3~
[21:37] <netrunner> SerWou: you started a civil war here.
[21:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: yes you did !!elf!
[21:38] <blindcoder> netrunner: no I didn't!!!one!!!!eleven!
[21:38] <netrunner> SerWou: so, what's the message? :)
[21:38] <netrunner> SerWou: we already found out that we already found your problem. at least blindy complains he has.
[21:39] Action: blindcoder goes sulking in a corner
[21:40] <SerWou> give me a sec
[21:40] <SerWou> do not move away plz ;)
[21:40] <netrunner> SerWou: you compiled that kernel yourself?
[21:41] <SerWou> infortunatly yes ;)
[21:41] <SerWou> but i've got a working model
[21:41] <netrunner> SerWou: ok. open the menuconfig again, select the ext2 filesystem to be compiled into the kernel.
[21:41] Action: netrunner pretending he's the one who found it.
[21:42] <blindcoder> Ah. AAH! AAAAAHHHHH!
[21:42] <blindcoder> not fair!
[21:42] <SerWou> VFS : cannot open root device "ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 or unknow-block(0,0)    please, append a correct "root=" boot option
[21:43] <SerWou> kernel Panic - not syncing, VFS unable to mount root fs on unknowblock
[21:43] <netrunner> SerWou: you read what I told you? (and what blindy told you before?)
[21:44] <SerWou> yes
[21:44] <SerWou> recompile the kernel with the ext2 support
[21:44] <netrunner> SerWou: have you done that?
[21:44] <SerWou> not yet
[21:45] <SerWou> 2sec please
[21:45] <netrunner> tic tac tic tac
[21:45] <blindcoder> I want a machine that recompiles a kernel in 2 secs, too!
[21:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: didn't you learn not to make clean?
[21:46] <blindcoder> not... you mean... just do...
[21:46] Action: blindcoder looking dumb into the channel
[21:47] <SerWou> ok, i actived the ext2, gonna recompile it
[21:47] <blindcoder> SerWou: you may also want ext3 and reiserfs
[21:48] <SerWou> xfs yes
[21:48] <blindcoder> ext3 is the first possible selection during the installation
[21:48] <daja77> blindcoder: you can drop that qemu desktop file ...
[21:48] <blindcoder> daja77: why? doesn't it have a gui?
[21:49] <daja77> it has, but just starting qemu doesn't do anything at all, you need params like -hda and stuff
[21:49] <blindcoder> sucks
[21:49] <daja77> it just doesn't know what to start ;)
[21:50] <blindcoder> a vmware-like gui, of course :P
[21:50] <SerWou> compilation in progress
[21:51] <daja77> well knoppix has a bochs entry in kde menu, which is not working too ;)
[21:51] <blindcoder> daja77: bah crappix
[21:51] <daja77> hehe ack
[21:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: dsniff stuff is not x iirc
[21:54] <blindcoder> well, it needs x{free86,org}
[21:54] <daja77> ok tested it running qemu without arguments prints -h stuff
[21:54] <blindcoder> feel free to post incremental patches :D
[21:54] <daja77> perhaps starting it in konsole would be an option
[21:55] <blindcoder> daja77: if it only prints -h then it's not a big help
[21:55] <SerWou> by the way, where to grab konsole and install it on rock ? ;)
[21:56] <blindcoder> SerWou: on scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl you can search the contents of packages
[21:56] <blindcoder> try searching for bin/konsole there
[21:56] <daja77> konsole is a kde program
[21:56] <SerWou> ok
[21:56] <SerWou> thanks
[21:56] <SerWou> yes
[21:57] <daja77> guess kdebase
[22:00] <SerWou> the link is Out Of Order
[22:02] <blindcoder> hoeh?
[22:02] <blindcoder> works fine here
[22:03] <SerWou> yes, now it's ok
[22:03] <blindcoder> well, it's just a lousy perl script on a slow 500MHz machine with almost-dead hard disks
[22:03] <blindcoder> so it will take a bit :)
[22:07] <netrunner> blindcoder: you are advertising a high-end dbk with your lousy hardware? ;)
[22:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, it runs stable on it :)
[22:09] <daja77> netrunner: any news regarding saturday, just reminding it is this saturday ;)
[22:09] <netrunner> daja77: tomorrow I can tell you if I get a car.
[22:10] <netrunner> daja77: anybody else planning to come?
[22:10] <daja77> no idea, fake pinged me while i was on the road, but have no mail or sth
[22:11] Action: netrunner has feature freeze for his bachelor thesis on sunday.
[22:11] <daja77> ic
[22:11] <netrunner> but that's not the main problem, I expect I could write a bit there.
[22:12] <daja77> i hope so
[22:12] <daja77> i should prepare my talk ...
[22:12] <netrunner> hm, where was it again? leipzig?
[22:12] <netrunner> ah dresden
[22:12] <daja77> yep
[22:13] <daja77> I'll be there from 8, at least i hope so
[22:13] <SerWou> netrunner
[22:13] <SerWou> same error
[22:13] <netrunner> SerWou
[22:13] <netrunner> SerWou: what does mount | grep part1 tell you?
[22:14] <blindcoder> SerWou: do you have devfs and automount devfs on boot activated?
[22:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: good point
[22:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: of course, it's from me :D
[22:14] <SerWou> certainly a bad configuration in my kernel options
[22:14] <netrunner> SerWou: listen to the blindcoder.
[22:15] <SerWou> root@xp1800:~# mount |grep part1
[22:15] <SerWou> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on / type ext3 (rw)
[22:15] <SerWou> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 on /home/appz type ext3 (rw)
[22:15] <SerWou> how i can check that blindcoder ?
[22:15] <blindcoder> SerWou: it's in filesystems, too
[22:15] <netrunner> SerWou: grep DEVFS .config 
[22:16] <netrunner> SerWou: in your kernel source dir
[22:16] <blindcoder> netrunner: advanced kernel theories again?
[22:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: I try to obfuscate it.
[22:16] <blindcoder> I see I see
[22:16] <netrunner> oh, dresden has a 0 prefixed plz
[22:16] <SerWou> # CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set
[22:16] <blindcoder> anyway, me and my wisdom now want to rest
[22:16] <blindcoder> good night!
[22:16] <netrunner> SerWou: congratz
[22:17] <SerWou> good night blindcoder and thanks
[22:17] <netrunner> SerWou: echo "CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y \nCONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y" >>.config
[22:17] <netrunner> SerWou: or go to the menuconfig and look for the devfs options. they are under filesystems somewhere.
[22:18] <netrunner> oh, echo -e that is
[22:20] <SerWou> kernel automounter support ?
[22:21] <netrunner> SerWou: devfs yes, and mount devfs automatically yes. that's the first you change please.
[22:21] <netrunner> SerWou: the automounter is not neccessary.
[22:21] <SerWou> already checked
[22:22] <SerWou> damned
[22:22] <SerWou> i think i will never able to compile a kernel alone
[22:23] <netrunner> SerWou: that comes with the time.
[22:26] <SerWou> i'm fucked up
[22:27] <SerWou> i'm wasting so much hours to learn linux to have a functionnal computer and be able to make Graphics homeworks for the university
[22:29] <daja77> linux is a drug ..
[22:30] <SerWou> i'm on a bad trip
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[22:40] <SerWou> netrunner
[22:40] <SerWou> sans error
[22:40] <SerWou> same*
[22:40] <SerWou> i did a configuration kernel mistake
[22:41] <SerWou> that's why
[22:41] <SerWou> i don't know which one
[22:41] <SerWou> fuck
[22:45] <netrunner> SerWou: did you copy the new kernel to /boot?
[22:45] <netrunner> sorry, have to go, will be back in 2-3hours
[22:45] Action: SerWou is looking for a rope 
[22:46] <SerWou> make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && cp /usr/src/linux/vmlinux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 && cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.9 && cp /usr/src/linux-2.6.9/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 && mkinitrd 2.6.9
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[22:48] <madtux> hi
[22:49] <SerWou> hy
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