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[00:01] <daja77> the new imagemagick now builds as well [00:47] <treo> gn8 @ all [00:47] treo (~xfman@D92bd.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [01:03] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [01:03] <demian> hi [01:24] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: "leaving" [02:10] asmoday (~xx@pD9E8F689.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [02:34] asmoday (~xx@pD9E8F689.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [02:51] madtux (~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr) joined #rocklinux. [02:51] <madtux> good evening [03:28] <mnemoc_> moin! [03:28] <madtux> mnemoc_, !!!!!!!!! [03:29] <mnemoc_> darktux!!! [03:30] <madtux> :) [04:06] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-102-131.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:18] blindcoder (~blindcode@213.23.154.146) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:52] madtux (~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:38] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8DBC4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. 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[09:48] <blindcoder> hmm [10:21] <netrunner> you shocked him :) [10:22] <blindcoder> yeah, now it's my fault again ;P [10:28] <blindcoder> somehow it feels like ROCK has been progressing really slow lately [10:28] <netrunner> well, the holidays are over :) [10:29] <netrunner> and rene left. [10:30] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, but somehow it feels like overall interest in ROCK has shrunk [10:39] treo (~xfman@Da2d5.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [10:39] <daja77> hm the activity in the project has not decreased as i can see it so far [10:40] <blindcoder> well, maybe it's just me [10:40] <blindcoder> moin daja77, btw ;) [10:41] <treo> moin [10:41] <daja77> moin blindy [10:41] <blindcoder> moin treo [10:42] <daja77> nah but indeed you are quite fast atm ;) [10:42] <blindcoder> daja77: well, some of my latter patches already caused conflicts with my newer ones :/ [10:43] <blindcoder> and I'm still unsure what to do with the menu creation [10:43] <daja77> yeah just saw that stf rediffed one of mine [10:43] <blindcoder> I know that it works flawlessly with at least KDE and icewm [10:43] <blindcoder> but I don't know if clifford would apply it anyway [10:45] <daja77> well if it does not interfere with other changes and does not create a maintainance mess i guess it will [10:45] <blindcoder> well, define maintenance mess [10:46] <blindcoder> the name of binaries rarely chagne [10:46] <blindcoder> so it's mostly create-and-forget [10:46] <daja77> good [10:46] <blindcoder> KDE automatically searches /usr/share/applications/ [10:47] <blindcoder> icewm needs a postinstall or menu-creating script [10:47] <blindcoder> (the menu format hasn't changed since I started using icewm years ago) [10:47] <daja77> :) [10:47] <blindcoder> (so that's also create-and-forget) [10:52] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you are firm with .desktop syntax you might check my change to the 90-kdm cron script ... [10:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: hate to dump it on you, but Type=XSession doesn't exist in desktop-spec 0.9.4 [10:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: There are 4 types of desktop entries: Application, Link, FSDevice and Directory. [10:55] <daja77> hi netrunner [10:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: all the files that come with kdm have it. maybe it's a special type for kdm? [10:57] <netrunner> hi daja77 [10:57] Action: netrunner lost his car yesterday. [10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, KDE doesn't really care that much about the desktop-specification [10:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: lost as in "I know I put it here and it isn't here anymore?" [11:04] <blindcoder> GRAH [11:04] <blindcoder> how can I capture the output of set -x to a file? [11:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: lost to the high-bidder of the auction :) [11:05] <blindcoder> ah [11:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: any idea? [11:14] <blindcoder> ... [11:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: for? [11:38] <netrunner> ah [11:44] <netrunner> no. [11:44] <blindcoder> :( [11:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: 2>foo [11:49] <netrunner> blindcoder: it is printed to stderr [11:52] <blindcoder> netrunner: no here it opens a fd 10 [11:52] <blindcoder> and if I do 10> it opens an fd 11 [11:52] <blindcoder> and so on [11:53] <blindcoder> netrunner: is System/Monitor okay for driftnet? [11:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: yes. or does something like Coworker/Observe exist? ;) [11:59] <blindcoder> no :) [11:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: does dsniff work in X11 or terminal? [11:59] <blindcoder> I see that it depends on X but I can't see if it's console or not [12:00] <netrunner> blindcoder: it is X. it reads the http traffic, greps image urls and displays the images in a window. [12:00] <netrunner> funny thing to watch on a congress :) [12:01] <blindcoder> yes :) [12:01] <blindcoder> well, I'm asking because against all odds of it being wanted and/or applied I'm currently creating .desktop files [12:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: no problem :) [12:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: can't you make a ROCKLInux submenu? [12:02] <netrunner> afair all dists do so [12:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: in icewm? sure [12:02] <blindcoder> in KDE? no idea [12:02] <blindcoder> I really don't know how KDE creates its menu [12:05] Action: blindcoder --> lunch [12:30] <blindcoder> back [12:38] <blindcoder> hmm [12:38] <blindcoder> ripperx: Network/P2P? :) [12:44] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you not employed any more? :) [12:44] Action: netrunner --> lunch [12:46] <blindcoder> netrunner: sure am, but there's absolutely nothing to do [12:54] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [13:45] <netrunner> once again ... forgot to switch on my build server. I wish it would support wol [13:52] <th> daja77: nice. so what do i have to do? update libtiff+libtool? can you send a patch for that? [14:01] <blindcoder> netrunner: just don't turn it off [14:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's loud. [14:04] <blindcoder> you'll get used to it ;) [14:04] <netrunner> :) [14:04] <netrunner> does crystal use gcc34? [14:04] <netrunner> I wonder if I should use the idling build machine @uni to build myself a new p4 build. [14:06] <blindcoder> sure does [14:06] <blindcoder> netrunner: but make sure to apply the patches I sent or you will run into trouble [14:08] <blindcoder> hmm [14:08] <blindcoder> freedesktop doesn't have a religion category [14:09] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-044-049.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[16:50] <netrunner> :) [16:51] <daja77> :D [16:53] <daja77> th: using the submaster patches? [16:53] <th> daja77: which patches? [16:54] <daja77> that one for libtool and libtiff [16:54] <th> does it apply to trunk? [16:54] <daja77> can have a further look later [16:54] <daja77> i have no idea [16:54] <daja77> have to go again [16:56] <th> ok. currently i'm running a do-not-touch refbuild. [16:56] <th> and will commit a changeset if it finishes fine [16:57] <th> after that i add libtool+libtiff then [17:02] <th> is there some tool which can find automatically all required shared libraries to fulfill dynamic requirements of a static lib? [17:03] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, I have to do _something_, no? [17:50] <netrunner> th: I bet you can do this with some objdump magic, no? [18:15] <th> netrunner: well this does not find any lib for me. yea i could dump the symbols i need and crawl through the libs to satisfy them... [18:28] <netrunner> th: objdump/find/grep :) [18:29] <netrunner> not that I knew how to do such a thing :) [18:30] <jsaw> hi [18:30] <jsaw> th: _dynamic_ requirements of a _static_ lib???? [18:30] <blindcoder> jsaw: like glibc :) [18:31] <blindcoder> it's next to impossible to link glibc statically [18:31] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [18:31] <th> jsaw: to be more exact: the _dynamic_ requirements to link an application caused by a static lib [18:31] <jsaw> I know, the c-lib is always dynamic. [18:31] <netrunner> hi jigsaw, hello the SerWou [18:32] <blindcoder> jsaw: only in glibc [18:32] <jsaw> jigsaw :) [18:32] <jsaw> hi netrunner [18:32] <jsaw> and ldd doesn't give you the answers, th? [18:33] <th> jsaw: i should run ldd on that static lib? [18:35] <th> jsaw: nm can tell me about the static lib requirements. that way i know the symbols i need. what i'm searching for a is a tool to find libs to provide these symbols [18:35] <jsaw> oh yeah right, ldd only works with dynamic. [18:37] <netrunner> th: objdump -T /usr/lib/*so | grep mysym ? [18:38] <th> netrunner: yea - something like it. but it's still far from a solution [18:38] <netrunner> (something like that) [18:38] <netrunner> :) [18:39] <jsaw> th: why do you need this, btw? [18:39] <th> jsaw: to link an application [18:39] <th> jsaw: which uses libqt.a [18:39] <jsaw> th: which application? [18:39] <th> jsaw: on different machines the requirements are different [18:39] <th> jsaw: own application [18:40] <jsaw> then use pkgconfig [18:40] <th> jsaw: sometimes libqt.a wants libmng, sometimes it want's libXrandr [18:40] <th> jsaw: that depends on the qt build [18:40] <jsaw> yes, see pkgconfig [18:42] <th> oh wow qt provides a .pc [18:42] <th> i did _not_ know that [18:42] <th> yea thats just the solution [18:42] <th> thanks! [18:42] <jsaw> :) [18:59] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F8CEC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [19:04] <netrunner> th: in case you are still interested, a yeahwm update is available. [19:05] <th> netrunner: i'm afraid it lacks some configuration coolness when compared to pekwm [19:33] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) joined #rocklinux. [19:33] <madtux> hello [19:34] <madtux> smp awake? [19:37] <madtux> how do i recover deleted files from an ext3 fs? .. PLEASE tell me i can [19:37] <th> madtux: small files? [19:37] <madtux> th well i just removed about 6gb of files [19:38] <madtux> anything that i can recover will be gaining [19:38] <th> madtux: it's very hard to impossible to recover files bigger than 8k [19:38] <madtux> thank th. [19:38] <madtux> i think i'm ready to kill myself [19:39] <th> cause ext3 wipes out indirect inode references on delete (in contrast to what ext2 does) [19:39] <th> but you might have chances to recover very small files [19:39] <madtux> i know .. but i didn't want to loose my hope [19:40] <madtux> thanks tobias. [19:41] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) left #rocklinux ("Leaving"). [20:01] <blindcoder> poor madtux. I know how he feels [20:02] <netrunner> yeah, bet we've all been through this *glaringatraid* [20:02] <blindcoder> hmhm [20:02] <blindcoder> 200 GB *cry [20:02] <blindcoder> * [20:03] <th> ~8h hours of recovery of a source tree on ext2 [20:03] <blindcoder> 2days of recovery of two(!) sourcetrees on rm -rf'ed ext3 by diving through the raw device :( [20:04] <blindcoder> s/sourcetrees/scripts/ [20:04] <th> blindcoder: what was your success rate? [20:04] <blindcoder> don't do three things at the same time [20:04] <th> ahh scripts ok [20:06] <blindcoder> damn, I have too much coffee in my fridge [20:06] <blindcoder> even the orange juice pack smells like coffee [20:08] Action: netrunner killed 4 lvms while guessing the masterblock version for recovery. only succeded on the last, which contained movies [20:09] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F8560.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:09] <th> netrunner: so you got the most important stuff? [20:09] <blindcoder> hehe [20:10] <th> netrunner: i used to use "mkfs.ext -n" to report the superblock it would create on the block device [20:10] <blindcoder> I'm currently thinking about if I really want to do a 10-disk RAID-5 [20:10] <th> blindcoder: you shouldn't go with a spare disk then [20:11] <th> s,with,without, [20:11] <blindcoder> th: well, I thought about the normal raid-5 disk plus a hotspare one [20:11] <th> blindcoder: perhaps consider raid-50 [20:11] <blindcoder> hm [20:11] <blindcoder> two striped raid-5s? [20:11] <th> yes [20:11] <th> to have more redundancy [20:11] <th> and to have to raid sets [20:12] <th> s,to,two, [20:12] <th> so only a part gets degraded in case of trouble [20:12] <blindcoder> sounds reasonable [20:13] <th> 10 drives? hmm one for spare. and then 3x raid5 with 3 disks. and raid5 over these 3 raids [20:13] <th> let's call it raid-55 from now on [20:13] <th> ;> [20:13] <blindcoder> can you add one hotspare to three raid-5 configurations? [20:13] <th> blindcoder: depends on you raid subsystem [20:13] <blindcoder> raidutils [20:13] <th> blindcoder: i don't know about this in software raid [20:14] <th> blindcoder: but i quite know that you don't want raidutils but mdadm [20:14] <blindcoder> th: mdadm doesn't have raidreconf [20:14] <th> what is raidreconf anyways? [20:14] <blindcoder> and since 10 disks are quite expensive [20:15] <blindcoder> raidreconf is a tool to enlarge raid5(!) configurations without loosing all the data on it [20:15] <th> i see [20:15] <blindcoder> or to move a raid1 to raid5 [20:15] <blindcoder> or the other way round [20:15] <blindcoder> and until mdadm has this I will keep using raidutils [20:16] <th> yea - i see [20:16] <th> i've too few exp. with sw raid [20:17] <blindcoder> I can't brag with a _lot_ of, either. Just sometimes used it over the last few years [20:30] nzg (~tschmidt@pD95F8560.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "reboot" [20:42] <SerWou> guys [20:42] <SerWou> Hello [20:42] <blindcoder> gal [20:42] <SerWou> i've got an error againnn ;) [20:43] <SerWou> mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.6.9.img 2.6.9 [20:43] <SerWou> Can't open /lib/modules//boot/initrd-2.6.9.img: No such directory. [20:43] <SerWou> Usage: /sbin/mkinitrd [ kernel-version ] [20:43] <blindcoder> that error is obvious and left as an excercise for the reader [20:43] <th> must be trunk ;) [20:43] <th> so user can be expected to be experienced enough [20:44] <blindcoder> th: sorry to dump it on you, but it's also in stable :D [20:44] <th> blindcoder: there is no 2.6.9 in stable ;-p [20:44] <blindcoder> SerWou: just use mkinitrd 2.6.9-rock [20:44] <blindcoder> th: damn [20:45] <SerWou> only that blindcoder [20:45] <blindcoder> SerWou: or mkinitrd `uname -r` [20:45] <SerWou> 2.6.9 in my case [20:48] <SerWou> other questio [20:48] <SerWou> what is the booloader, it's not grub, i have to edit the boot loader to tell him i want to boot on the second kernel to see if it work [20:49] <blindcoder> can only be lilo then [20:49] <SerWou> in /boot i can see only grub [20:49] <blindcoder> then it must be grub [20:49] <SerWou> but no grub.conf file [20:50] <blindcoder> wouldn't that be /boot/grub/menu.lst [20:50] <SerWou> ho yes [20:50] <SerWou> got it [20:50] <SerWou> thanks [20:50] <SerWou> why it's different on rock ? [20:50] <blindcoder> I've never seen it different [20:50] <th> SerWou: it isn't [20:50] <th> SerWou: it's different on other distros [20:50] <blindcoder> hehe :) [20:51] <th> SerWou: menu.lst is the "grub" default [20:51] <SerWou> ho ok [20:51] <SerWou> i'm a Linux AND rock newbie ;) [20:51] <netrunner> there are green coloured dists that have a global config file on some place ... [20:51] <blindcoder> netrunner: don't remind me of bad memories [20:51] <SerWou> hehe [20:51] <SerWou> what is that ? [20:51] <blindcoder> that file was scary [20:52] <th> SerWou: he is trying to forget about... [20:52] <th> ... [20:52] <th> *shout* /etc/rc.config *shout* [20:52] <netrunner> /ignore th [20:53] <th> scnr [20:53] <netrunner> th: you say bad words, one should scrub your mouth with soap [20:54] <th> ...soap... you named it [20:57] <SerWou> i don't know that [20:57] <SerWou> i bet i will never know it [20:58] <SerWou> vi and vim are doing a mess when i'm editing a file, when i move arrows, it inserts characters, i can't delete characters, etc.. what's happend ? [20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: a) only invoke vim [20:59] <SerWou> nano works fine [20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: b) echo -e "set nocompatible\nsyntax on\nset backspace=2" >>~/.vimrc [20:59] <blindcoder> SerWou: c) use vim again :-) [21:00] <SerWou> what is this command ? [21:00] <blindcoder> SerWou: it is creating a basic usable vimrc for you [21:00] <SerWou> can you explain to me the error and the solution [21:00] <SerWou> Oh ok [21:00] <blindcoder> the error is that vi doesn't know about arrow keys [21:00] <SerWou> ha ok [21:00] <blindcoder> the solution is to only invoke vim (with the m) and create a usable vimrc [21:01] <th> u can even use evim [21:01] mnemoc_ (~amery@200.75.27.6) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:02] <blindcoder> evim? [21:02] <blindcoder> I knew gvim [21:03] <th> blindcoder: easy vim. always in insert mode [21:03] <blindcoder> th: so... how do you save? [21:04] <th> blindcoder: it's a gvim [21:04] <blindcoder> ah [21:04] <th> blindcoder: you menu and toolbar [21:04] <th> blindcoder: bad thing if you have a void $DISPLAY [21:04] <blindcoder> yeah :) [21:04] <blindcoder> DISPLAY? what's that? :) [21:04] <SerWou> let's try [21:04] <th> blindcoder: then you get a always-in-insert-mode-non-_g_-vim [21:05] <th> blindcoder: but i hope you know of C-o? [21:05] <blindcoder> ouch [21:05] <blindcoder> ehmm... well... now that you mention it... [21:05] <blindcoder> no [21:06] <th> it's a one-time command-mode from insert mode [21:06] <th> blindcoder: so you can save with "C-o :w" [21:06] <blindcoder> I see [21:06] <SerWou> still the same error : up and down arrows write A or B or C or D ... [21:06] <th> and are back in i-mode [21:06] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.5) joined #rocklinux. [21:06] <blindcoder> SerWou: what's your terminal? [21:06] <blindcoder> that's really strange [21:10] <SerWou> eterm [21:10] <SerWou> i like gnome-terminal and konsole [21:10] <SerWou> but i can't isntall one or the other [21:10] <blindcoder> hmm [21:10] <blindcoder> sorry, no idea [21:11] <SerWou> damned [21:11] <th> SerWou: try the following [21:11] <SerWou> ok [21:11] <th> second [21:11] <SerWou> no problem [21:12] <th> tell me output of ":set cpo" [21:12] <th> inside vim [21:12] <SerWou> cpoptions=aAbBcCdDeEfFgijJkKlLmMnoOprsStuvwWxy$!%*< [21:13] <th> so you .vimrc did not work [21:13] <th> SerWou: give a :set nocp [21:13] <th> SerWou: and you cursors should no longer do mess [21:13] <th> s,you,your, [21:13] <SerWou> the cursor moved out [21:13] <th> "moved out" [21:14] <SerWou> go on the top of my blank document [21:14] <th> you mean that fixes your problem? [21:14] <SerWou> yes [21:14] <th> fine [21:14] <th> and now check your ~/.vimrc [21:14] <SerWou> i can use backspace [21:14] <SerWou> can't [21:14] <th> open that file and tell me what's in [21:15] <SerWou> damned, i did a filename mistake [21:16] <SerWou> ok [21:16] <SerWou> it works [21:16] <SerWou> THANKS [21:16] <th> is your backspace ok? [21:16] <SerWou> yes [21:16] <th> fine [21:16] <th> so have fun [21:16] <SerWou> it was my fault, i called it wimrc ;) [21:16] <th> i'll bbl [21:16] <SerWou> a last question for tonight, sorry guys ;) [21:17] <th> shoot [21:17] <th> but shoot fast [21:17] <SerWou> title ROCK Linux 2.4.25 [21:17] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro [21:17] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img [21:17] <SerWou> title ROCK Linux 2.6.9 [21:17] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro [21:17] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img [21:17] <netrunner> *peng* [21:17] <SerWou> the 2.6.9 boots on the 2.4.25 ;) [21:17] <blindcoder> ehm... yes... [21:17] <SerWou> how can i fix that [21:17] <SerWou> i made a mistake, i know ;) [21:17] Action: blindcoder keeps repeating himself... [21:17] <th> SerWou: the lines starting with "kernel" specify the kernel image to use [21:17] <blindcoder> that error is obvious and left as an excercise for the reader [21:17] <th> it's "/boot/vmlinuz" in both cases [21:18] <th> i'm off [21:18] <SerWou> i read the Rockhand book 3 months ago, i started to translate it in French without any help, i stopped this work... [21:18] <SerWou> ok [21:18] <SerWou> i see [21:24] <SerWou> humm, VFS error [21:26] <SerWou> what can be my error here ? root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro [21:26] <netrunner> SerWou: you have no harddisk? [21:26] <blindcoder> *lol* [21:27] <blindcoder> SerWou: part1 might not be your / fs [21:27] <SerWou> sorry for the chan pollution : [21:27] <SerWou> title ROCK Linux 2.4.25 [21:27] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro [21:27] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img [21:27] <SerWou> title ROCK Linux 2.6.9 [21:27] <SerWou> kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 root=/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 ro [21:27] <SerWou> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img [21:27] <SerWou> 2.4.25 works fine [21:28] <blindcoder> what's the fs you used? [21:28] <SerWou> fs... i don't know, the default one, devfs i guess ? [21:28] <netrunner> SerWou: you are repeating the error. look at it. [21:28] <SerWou> initrd.img ? [21:28] <blindcoder> SerWou: ehm, no. I doubt that :) [21:29] <netrunner> SerWou: 100points [21:29] <SerWou> damned [21:29] <SerWou> brb [21:29] <blindcoder> reiserfs, ext2, ext3, jfs, xfs [21:29] <SerWou> little SerWou is fighting against Big Linux [21:29] <SerWou> ext3 [21:29] <blindcoder> netrunner: I doubt that's the problem. I think he missed his filesystem in the new kernel [21:29] <netrunner> SerWou: comment the initrd out, you won't need it probably. [21:30] <netrunner> blindcoder: I doubt that. if he is using standard kernel, it has all fs enabled. [21:30] <blindcoder> 2.6.9 is not rock standard kernel, now is it? [21:30] <netrunner> SerWou: the rock kernels name is vmlinuz-2.6.9-rock iirc [21:31] <SerWou> vmlinuz-2.6.9 for me, is it important to have -rock ? [21:31] <netrunner> SerWou: do you have a file named /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 ? [21:31] <SerWou> yes [21:31] <SerWou> and initrd-2.6.9.img [21:31] <SerWou> gonna fix that too [21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: stop confoosing him :) [21:32] <SerWou> Rocklinux 2.4.25 works fine [21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: 2.6.9 isn't even in trunk yet [21:32] <netrunner> blindcoder: why? chaos is the first step to enlightenment. [21:32] <blindcoder> netrunner: oh, right [21:32] <SerWou> hehe [21:33] <netrunner> (not e-17, that's still unstable) [21:33] <blindcoder> netrunner: hehe [21:33] <SerWou> 2.6.9 is not supported by rock ? [21:34] <blindcoder> SerWou: sure is [21:34] <blindcoder> SerWou: just not yet :) [21:34] <SerWou> haaaaaaaaa [21:34] <SerWou> i don't know what to do [21:34] <SerWou> i'm lossssssst [21:34] <SerWou> i don't want to install Windauze [21:34] <netrunner> SerWou: tell us the error you get while booting. [21:34] <SerWou> ok [21:34] <SerWou> give me a sec [21:35] Action: netrunner now stopping the wild guessing here. [21:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: dakara! he doesn't have ext? in his kernel [21:35] <SMP> SerWou: huh? 2.6.9 works just fine for running a Rock. just not for the kernel-headers during build [21:35] <netrunner> blindcoder: so why doesn't he compile it in now? [21:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: because you're confusing him about filenames [21:36] <netrunner> SMP: don't confuse him with advanced theories like headers [21:36] Action: blindcoder is great in putting the blame on someone, don't forget that :) [21:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: you could have told him. [21:36] Action: netrunner blaming back. *blam* [21:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: I tried but you flooded my super-special and mega-accurate information away :P [21:36] <SMP> netrunner: tell blindcoder not to scare people away by saying "doesn't work" ;> [21:37] <blindcoder> SMP: I never said that! *cry* [21:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: stop scaring people away by saying "doesn't work" [21:37] <SerWou> tssssssssssssss tsssssssss tssssssss [21:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: I never said that! *cry*3~ [21:37] <netrunner> SerWou: you started a civil war here. [21:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: yes you did !!elf! [21:38] <blindcoder> netrunner: no I didn't!!!one!!!!eleven! [21:38] <netrunner> SerWou: so, what's the message? :) [21:38] <netrunner> SerWou: we already found out that we already found your problem. at least blindy complains he has. [21:39] Action: blindcoder goes sulking in a corner [21:40] <SerWou> give me a sec [21:40] <SerWou> do not move away plz ;) [21:40] <netrunner> SerWou: you compiled that kernel yourself? [21:41] <SerWou> infortunatly yes ;) [21:41] <SerWou> but i've got a working model [21:41] <netrunner> SerWou: ok. open the menuconfig again, select the ext2 filesystem to be compiled into the kernel. [21:41] Action: netrunner pretending he's the one who found it. [21:42] <blindcoder> Ah. AAH! AAAAAHHHHH! [21:42] <blindcoder> not fair! [21:42] <SerWou> VFS : cannot open root device "ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 or unknow-block(0,0) please, append a correct "root=" boot option [21:43] <SerWou> kernel Panic - not syncing, VFS unable to mount root fs on unknowblock [21:43] <netrunner> SerWou: you read what I told you? (and what blindy told you before?) [21:44] <SerWou> yes [21:44] <SerWou> recompile the kernel with the ext2 support [21:44] <netrunner> SerWou: have you done that? [21:44] <SerWou> not yet [21:45] <SerWou> 2sec please [21:45] <netrunner> tic tac tic tac [21:45] <blindcoder> I want a machine that recompiles a kernel in 2 secs, too! [21:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: didn't you learn not to make clean? [21:46] <blindcoder> not... you mean... just do... [21:46] Action: blindcoder looking dumb into the channel [21:47] <SerWou> ok, i actived the ext2, gonna recompile it [21:47] <blindcoder> SerWou: you may also want ext3 and reiserfs [21:48] <SerWou> xfs yes [21:48] <blindcoder> ext3 is the first possible selection during the installation [21:48] <daja77> blindcoder: you can drop that qemu desktop file ... [21:48] <blindcoder> daja77: why? doesn't it have a gui? [21:49] <daja77> it has, but just starting qemu doesn't do anything at all, you need params like -hda and stuff [21:49] <blindcoder> sucks [21:49] <daja77> it just doesn't know what to start ;) [21:50] <blindcoder> a vmware-like gui, of course :P [21:50] <SerWou> compilation in progress [21:51] <daja77> well knoppix has a bochs entry in kde menu, which is not working too ;) [21:51] <blindcoder> daja77: bah crappix [21:51] <daja77> hehe ack [21:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: dsniff stuff is not x iirc [21:54] <blindcoder> well, it needs x{free86,org} [21:54] <daja77> ok tested it running qemu without arguments prints -h stuff [21:54] <blindcoder> feel free to post incremental patches :D [21:54] <daja77> perhaps starting it in konsole would be an option [21:55] <blindcoder> daja77: if it only prints -h then it's not a big help [21:55] <SerWou> by the way, where to grab konsole and install it on rock ? ;) [21:56] <blindcoder> SerWou: on scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl you can search the contents of packages [21:56] <blindcoder> try searching for bin/konsole there [21:56] <daja77> konsole is a kde program [21:56] <SerWou> ok [21:56] <SerWou> thanks [21:56] <SerWou> yes [21:57] <daja77> guess kdebase [22:00] <SerWou> the link is Out Of Order [22:02] <blindcoder> hoeh? [22:02] <blindcoder> works fine here [22:03] <SerWou> yes, now it's ok [22:03] <blindcoder> well, it's just a lousy perl script on a slow 500MHz machine with almost-dead hard disks [22:03] <blindcoder> so it will take a bit :) [22:07] <netrunner> blindcoder: you are advertising a high-end dbk with your lousy hardware? ;) [22:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, it runs stable on it :) [22:09] <daja77> netrunner: any news regarding saturday, just reminding it is this saturday ;) [22:09] <netrunner> daja77: tomorrow I can tell you if I get a car. [22:10] <netrunner> daja77: anybody else planning to come? [22:10] <daja77> no idea, fake pinged me while i was on the road, but have no mail or sth [22:11] Action: netrunner has feature freeze for his bachelor thesis on sunday. [22:11] <daja77> ic [22:11] <netrunner> but that's not the main problem, I expect I could write a bit there. [22:12] <daja77> i hope so [22:12] <daja77> i should prepare my talk ... [22:12] <netrunner> hm, where was it again? leipzig? [22:12] <netrunner> ah dresden [22:12] <daja77> yep [22:13] <daja77> I'll be there from 8, at least i hope so [22:13] <SerWou> netrunner [22:13] <SerWou> same error [22:13] <netrunner> SerWou [22:13] <netrunner> SerWou: what does mount | grep part1 tell you? [22:14] <blindcoder> SerWou: do you have devfs and automount devfs on boot activated? [22:14] <netrunner> blindcoder: good point [22:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: of course, it's from me :D [22:14] <SerWou> certainly a bad configuration in my kernel options [22:14] <netrunner> SerWou: listen to the blindcoder. [22:15] <SerWou> root@xp1800:~# mount |grep part1 [22:15] <SerWou> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 on / type ext3 (rw) [22:15] <SerWou> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 on /home/appz type ext3 (rw) [22:15] <SerWou> how i can check that blindcoder ? [22:15] <blindcoder> SerWou: it's in filesystems, too [22:15] <netrunner> SerWou: grep DEVFS .config [22:16] <netrunner> SerWou: in your kernel source dir [22:16] <blindcoder> netrunner: advanced kernel theories again? [22:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: I try to obfuscate it. [22:16] <blindcoder> I see I see [22:16] <netrunner> oh, dresden has a 0 prefixed plz [22:16] <SerWou> # CONFIG_DEVFS_FS is not set [22:16] <blindcoder> anyway, me and my wisdom now want to rest [22:16] <blindcoder> good night! [22:16] <netrunner> SerWou: congratz [22:17] <SerWou> good night blindcoder and thanks [22:17] <netrunner> SerWou: echo "CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y \nCONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT=y" >>.config [22:17] <netrunner> SerWou: or go to the menuconfig and look for the devfs options. they are under filesystems somewhere. [22:18] <netrunner> oh, echo -e that is [22:20] <SerWou> kernel automounter support ? [22:21] <netrunner> SerWou: devfs yes, and mount devfs automatically yes. that's the first you change please. [22:21] <netrunner> SerWou: the automounter is not neccessary. [22:21] <SerWou> already checked [22:22] <SerWou> damned [22:22] <SerWou> i think i will never able to compile a kernel alone [22:23] <netrunner> SerWou: that comes with the time. [22:26] <SerWou> i'm fucked up [22:27] <SerWou> i'm wasting so much hours to learn linux to have a functionnal computer and be able to make Graphics homeworks for the university [22:29] <daja77> linux is a drug .. [22:30] <SerWou> i'm on a bad trip [22:34] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:38] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:40] <SerWou> netrunner [22:40] <SerWou> sans error [22:40] <SerWou> same* [22:40] <SerWou> i did a configuration kernel mistake [22:41] <SerWou> that's why [22:41] <SerWou> i don't know which one [22:41] <SerWou> fuck [22:45] <netrunner> SerWou: did you copy the new kernel to /boot? [22:45] <netrunner> sorry, have to go, will be back in 2-3hours [22:45] Action: SerWou is looking for a rope [22:46] <SerWou> make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && cp /usr/src/linux/vmlinux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 && cp /usr/src/linux/System.map /boot/System.map-2.6.9 && cp /usr/src/linux-2.6.9/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9 && mkinitrd 2.6.9 [22:48] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) joined #rocklinux. [22:48] <madtux> hi [22:49] <SerWou> hy [23:46] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:46] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA9A1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:47] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:51] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) left irc: "leaving" [00:00] --- Wed Oct 27 2004