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[11:02] <daja77> cool [11:03] <blindcoder> well, now it started to build KDE [11:03] <blindcoder> and each KDE package takes ~1h [11:03] <th> 2184 builds total, 1828 completed fine, 0 with errors. [11:03] <th> did i mention that i feel my build machine to be too slow? [11:03] <daja77> if pkg forking would be documented, i would have activated the automake package myself ;) [11:03] <daja77> yep you mentioned [11:04] <blindcoder> th: who doesn't feel that way? :) [11:04] <daja77> *nod* [11:04] <blindcoder> kdepim building for 1.25 hours now :/ [11:05] <daja77> i know kde build times are pain [11:06] <blindcoder> yeah [11:06] <blindcoder> well, I'm currently scratching a dual P3 800 machine together [11:06] <th> it's not just a simple "pain" ;-] [11:06] <blindcoder> then I can load balance a bit [11:07] <blindcoder> the mobo should arrive today or tomorrow [11:07] <blindcoder> closely followed by the processors and ram [11:08] <daja77> think i'll go to university looking after the new job ^^ [11:08] <th> daja77: you mean your going to work now? [11:09] <daja77> you can call it that way yes, not sure if i can start right now [11:09] <daja77> signed yesterday ^^ [11:10] <th> oh - nice [11:11] <daja77> cu [12:28] treo (~xfman@D824f.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:35] <treo> sali [13:03] <daja77> re [13:11] <blindcoder> == 09:54:22 =[5]=> Building kde/kdepim [3.3.1 2.1.0-DEV]. [13:11] <blindcoder> and still building :( [13:13] <daja77> O_o [13:13] <blindcoder> yes [13:14] <blindcoder> building kde takes a day at least [13:22] <blindcoder> th: here? [13:22] <blindcoder> WEE, kdepim is finished [13:23] <blindcoder> == 10/28/04 13:20:27 =[5]=> Finished building package kdepim. [13:29] <SerWou> hello blindcoder [13:36] <blindcoder> re SerWou [13:37] <blindcoder> th: nm, doesn't affect stable [14:05] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-044-049.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:10] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-210-012.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:27] <blindcoder> hmm [14:27] <blindcoder> pkgsplit _and_ pkgfork both b0rked up cluster builds [15:46] <daja77> netrunne1: ? [15:48] <netrunne1> daja77: sorry, won't work out. :( [15:48] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [15:52] <blindcoder> isn't anyone doing cluster builds these days? [15:53] <netrunner> blindcoder: I stopped that some time ago. [15:53] <netrunner> I cannot even use tempfs any more as the kernel is now too big. [15:54] Action: netrunner asking himself if there ever were cases where people psychically broke down while writing their thesis [15:55] <daja77> yes there were [15:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: where's the connection between tempfs and kernelsize??? [15:56] <blindcoder> I'm happily compiling with tmpfs with everything but nvidia compiled in [15:59] <netrunner> blindcoder: 800MB are not enough to compile kernels >2.6.7 [16:00] <blindcoder> I'm using 1024 here without problems [16:02] <netrunner> I only have a gb of ram, and gcc want's some too :) [16:03] <blindcoder> same here, but with a bit of swap (yes, stone me) that can be catched for the two packages that need it [16:04] <daja77> hm stoning ... [16:04] <blindcoder> JEHOVA! JEHOVA! [16:05] <daja77> ^^ [16:05] Action: netrunner throws stone modules at blindy [16:05] <daja77> TOMCAT! TOMCAT! [16:07] <blindcoder> netrunner: btw, can you even do a "local" cluster build with tmpfs and one gig ram? [16:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: you can. but you'd need to give each node a equal amount of ram, which would be about 400MB in my case. [16:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: then xfree/xorg would definately fail I think (also kernel) [16:10] <netrunner> jup. [16:11] <netrunner> I always used tempfs not for speedup but to save my hdd a bit :) [16:12] <blindcoder> I once thought there was a speedup but I don't have any "vergleich" handy [16:18] <netrunner> it is a small speedup with cpus >2GHz. [16:19] <blindcoder> hrm... 1.8GHz here. Damn [16:20] <netrunner> oh well, about :) [16:21] demian (~demian@196.40.30.179) joined #rocklinux. [16:21] <demian> hi [16:22] <netrunner> hi d3m14n [16:22] demian (~demian@196.40.30.179) left irc: Client Quit [16:22] <daja77> hrhr [16:45] <netrunner> hm? was that me? [16:45] <th> blindcoder: pong [16:49] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) joined #rocklinux. [16:49] <madtux> hello [16:49] <daja77> hi madtux [16:49] <madtux> hello danny [17:24] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: "leaving" [17:34] <clifford> Die ImageMagick! Die!!!!! [17:34] <clifford> hmm... [17:35] Action: clifford doesn't feel better at all now. [17:35] <madtux> clifford: ? [17:36] Action: daja77 agrees to clifford [17:36] <daja77> what is this crap tool doin now? [17:36] <clifford> It isntalls its own libltdl in /usr/lib/ [17:37] <clifford> (libltdl is part of the libtool package) [17:37] <daja77> clifford: yeah, but it didn't when i upgraded libtool [17:38] <daja77> and yes it gave me a headache to figure that out [17:41] <clifford> ripclaw is at linuxworld expo [17:42] <clifford> investigated rene and valentin. [18:00] _Ragnar__ (loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net) left irc: Read error: 238 (Connection timed out) [18:03] <SerWou> Hello [18:03] <daja77> hi SerWou [18:03] <SerWou> hello daja77 [18:03] <SerWou> Same damned fucking error [18:03] <SerWou> i will never able to compile a kernel :( [18:07] <SerWou> Anyone can help me please [18:08] <SerWou> i'm trying to ocmpile the kernel 2.6.9 on rock and i've got this error [18:08] <SerWou> VFS : cannot open root device "ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 or block(0;0) Please append a correct [18:08] <SerWou> "root=" boot option kernel Panic no syncing : VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0:0) [18:08] Action: blindcoder back [18:09] <daja77> you have to enable devfs support in kernel [18:09] <SerWou> hello blindcoder [18:10] <blindcoder> SerWou: d'oh. your kernel doesn't have devfs (I failed to check that before) [18:10] <blindcoder> SerWou: enable devfs and automatically mount devfs at boot [18:12] <SerWou> i think they are enable [18:12] <blindcoder> no [18:12] <blindcoder> at least not in the config you sent me [18:14] <SerWou> where are those options ? [18:14] <daja77> filesystems [18:15] <SerWou> Kernel Automouter Support and Kernel Automouter version 4 support ? [18:15] <daja77> nope [18:18] <SerWou> i can't see that [18:18] <blindcoder> SerWou: Select only drivers expected to compile cleanly [18:18] <blindcoder> please disable that [18:19] <blindcoder> even though devfs is marked as "Obsolete" in recent kernels it is all but unused/unusable [18:20] <madtux> SerWou: u are using linux 2.6? [18:20] <SerWou> yes [18:20] <SerWou> 2.6.9 [18:20] <madtux> SerWou: forget about enabling devfs if you wish to ever have a usable kernel image [18:21] <SMP> huh?! [18:21] <SerWou> blindcoder, about drivers, i'm not sure about what must be removed [18:21] <blindcoder> madtux: huh? [18:22] <blindcoder> SerWou: if in doubt, don't remove [18:22] <madtux> so far i've heard very negative things about devfs on linux 2.6 [18:22] <blindcoder> madtux: well, every machine here uses 2.6 with devfs [18:22] <madtux> 0_o [18:22] <blindcoder> madtux: I don't know who you've been talking to, but obviously they had no idea [18:22] <madtux> version? [18:22] <blindcoder> all up to 2.6.8.1 [18:23] Action: SMP is going to kill devfs [18:23] <SerWou> i found /dev file system support > Automatically mount at boot and Debut devfs [18:24] <madtux> SMP: :) [18:24] <blindcoder> SerWou: check automatically mount [18:24] <blindcoder> SMP: well, as of today, ROCK is still using it, no? [18:25] <SMP> I don't see a reason why it would not work without devfs [18:25] <SMP> obviously we don't have a means to MAKEDEV yet [18:25] <blindcoder> SMP: in terms a user understands? [18:25] <blindcoder> rockplug doesn't support udev yet? [18:26] <madtux> blindcoder: devfs is not a MUST for rock since quite a while [18:26] <SMP> other than that it should just work. minus packages we have patched to hardwire devfs names [18:26] <blindcoder> madtux: no, but it still gets enabled in every build [18:26] <SMP> madtux: in theory. in pratice you'll be left with an empty /dev [18:27] <SerWou> let's try [18:27] <SerWou> my kernel [18:30] <SerWou> Is there another civil war about devfs ? ;) [18:30] <madtux> SerWou: normal peacefull discussion [18:31] <blindcoder> civil war looks different :-) [18:31] <madtux> SMP: according to rxr no. then again i have not made a single rock build in quite a while. [18:32] <SMP> madtux: I wasn't talking about building [18:32] <SMP> devfs for build got killed some time ago [18:32] <SerWou> *BINGGG* [18:32] <SerWou> Round 1 [18:32] <SerWou> ;) [18:33] <madtux> :) [18:33] <SMP> but if you install a system, you still need to mount devfs on /dev because we have nothing that populates /dev with static device nodes [18:34] <madtux> SMP: oh. [18:35] PeskyGee (~PeskyGee@pool-151-201-128-44.pitt.east.verizon.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:35] <PeskyGee> anyone here? [18:35] <SMP> no [18:36] <blindcoder> absolutely not [18:36] <madtux> maybe [18:36] <mnemoc_> i see no person here [18:36] <PeskyGee> got a few questions if someone doesn't mind about ROCK. I'm thinking of trying it [18:36] <madtux> mnemoc_: he is asking for anyone not for no-person [18:37] <madtux> PeskyGee: so ask and we will try to answer [18:37] <PeskyGee> ok [18:37] <PeskyGee> From what I seen on the site. I can build this system within another system and create a ISO/Cd for install? [18:38] <SMP> yup [18:38] <PeskyGee> ok cool. Supports Kernel2.6 and udev? [18:39] <SMP> 2.6 yes. we have packaged udev, but I'm not sure if or how well it works [18:41] <netrunner> where have all the rockers gone ... [18:41] <madtux> netrunner: ? [18:41] <PeskyGee> What I would like to do is make my own distro with Kernel2.6, udev, ROX-filer and ROX-Session as my GUI with Xorg. Optimized for AthlonXP. Is that possible with Rock? [18:41] <blindcoder> they rolled away [18:42] <blindcoder> rox session isn't packaged yet. rox filer is [18:42] <blindcoder> xorg is there and athlonxp opt is also there [18:42] <SMP> PeskyGee: yes. it's probably going to be a little harder than just flipping the switches, especially the udev part [18:42] <blindcoder> you can enable hotplug and udev in build configuration [18:43] <netrunner> what is rox session? *googling* [18:43] <PeskyGee> so can I compile ROX_Sesion or make a package? [18:43] <blindcoder> suri [18:43] <blindcoder> sure [18:43] <PeskyGee> So what would I D/L to get started with this? [18:44] <blindcoder> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.org/rock-linux/trunk [18:44] <SerWou> Same error again : VFS mounted filesystem (ext2) Initrd : going to re-mount root now VFS : cannot open root device "ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 or block(0;0) Please append a correct [18:44] <SMP> PeskyGee: https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html [18:45] <netrunner> SerWou: are yiz nussung a /dev/ there? [18:45] <netrunner> oh [18:45] <netrunner> SerWou: are you missing a /dev there? [18:45] <SMP> no, he's not [18:45] <blindcoder> netrunner.lefthand--; [18:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: right. :) [18:45] <PeskyGee> get the source right? [18:45] <blindcoder> ah, dawn [18:45] <SerWou> i'm L O S T [18:46] <SMP> PeskyGee: yes. ideally you would use svn to get the source for the 2.0 branch [18:47] <SMP> SerWou: do you see anything about "hda" in the kernel messages? [18:48] <PeskyGee> I'm here now: https://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/branches/2.0-stable/architecture/x86/ do I just D/L those files in that Dir and place in a folder? [18:49] <SMP> PeskyGee: no, you need to use a subversion client [18:49] <SerWou> no SMP [18:49] <SMP> SerWou: what's the first line you can see on the screen? [18:50] <PeskyGee> SMP: WHere is that please? [18:50] <SerWou> give me a sec SMP [18:51] <SMP> PeskyGee: what distribution are you running currently? [18:51] <PeskyGee> Archlinux [18:51] <PeskyGee> I was on gentoo for a while but got sick of it [18:53] <SMP> well, find a way to install subversion for Archlinux [18:54] <PeskyGee> Yea its availiable as a package for Arch. Why do I need that [18:54] <SerWou> Booting on rocklinux 2.6.9, etc... [18:55] <PeskyGee> this is so I can build the OS inside the other right? [18:55] <SMP> PeskyGee: to check out the latest sources from our subversion tree [18:55] <netrunner> PeskyGee: you need it to download the sources. [18:55] <PeskyGee> then make the ISO and install away :-) hopefully right [18:56] <blindcoder> well, building will take a few days depending on your system and configuration [18:57] <PeskyGee> AMD2600XP 1GBDualRAM Nforce CHip [18:58] <blindcoder> how many GHz? and what the hell is DualRAM? [18:58] <PeskyGee> 400 RAM PC2300 [18:59] <PeskyGee> dual channel (supposedly) :-) [18:59] _Ragnar_ (loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:59] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA821.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Verlassend" [18:59] <blindcoder> I still feel like I'm reading a technical description designed to make as many people want to buy something as possible... [18:59] <blindcoder> let me put it this way: [19:00] <blindcoder> on my Pentium 4 1.8GHz it takes ~4-5 days to build everything nicluding gnome, kde and most of the other 1178 packages [19:00] _Ragnar_ (loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net) left #rocklinux. [19:00] _Ragnar_ (loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:01] <SMP> and if you want to disable packages you don't need, to cut the build time, you'll have to spend twice that time to figure out how ;-> [19:01] <_Ragnar_> *hrhr* [19:02] <PeskyGee> I just want a base system with Xorg and then install Rox-filer and Rox-Session as my GUI. Perhaps pejwn as the WM or like [19:02] <PeskyGee> ooohummm [19:02] <PeskyGee> perhaps not what I'm looking for then??? [19:02] <blindcoder> that would still take a few days [19:03] <blindcoder> 2 at least [19:03] <SMP> hmm. and Xorg isn't in 2.0, so you'd have to use the trunk sources, just in case. [19:05] <PeskyGee> I'm not worried about the compile time. I'm just sick and tired of Distros that push there bull. I don't want KDE or Gnome at all and most every distro is default with that. I was small, Customized, and fast. [19:05] <PeskyGee> and very tweakable :-) [19:05] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: you can try a generic target with the minimal template [19:05] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: then after installation install x and rox [19:05] <blindcoder> that might be the easiets solution to this [19:06] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: explain please? that sounds about right [19:06] _Ragnar_ (loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net) left irc: "BRB" [19:06] <SMP> you can do all this with ROCK, but it has a clue-barrier [19:06] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: download the sources, start ./scripts/Config and you'll see [19:07] <PeskyGee> is here where I get the sources: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/rene/stable/src/ [19:07] <blindcoder> nope [19:07] <blindcoder> that is outdated [19:07] <SMP> no, no Xorg in stable [19:07] <blindcoder> install subversion and execute the following: [19:07] <PeskyGee> oooh ok where then please? [19:07] <blindcoder> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.net/rock-linux/trunk rock-2.1 [19:08] <PeskyGee> ok gotta install svn first [19:10] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: that is the command also yes? [19:11] <blindcoder> yes [19:11] <PeskyGee> man ibiblio is so slow [19:13] <PeskyGee> almost there [19:14] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: I don't do that as root do I? [19:14] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: you need to be root to do anything after that, so it would make sense [19:14] _Ragnar_ (loki@abarrach.franken.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:16] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: ok getting it now [19:17] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: Assuming its D/L to my root dir right? [19:17] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: you should download it somewhere with a few gigs spare [19:18] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: Can I move it afterward? [19:18] <blindcoder> sure [19:18] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: k I will move to a partition I have about 10GB waiting [19:20] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: Ok Checked out [19:20] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: but I don't see it?? [19:21] <blindcoder> then you're not looking hard enough [19:21] <blindcoder> it's either called trunk if you didn't give any more arguments [19:22] <blindcoder> or whatever argument you passed [19:23] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: I gave no argument but I don't see it ??? [19:23] <blindcoder> then you're doing something really wrong [19:24] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: in tmp maybe? [19:24] <blindcoder> no, in your current working dir [19:25] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: got it :-) Thanks [19:27] <PeskyGee> blindcoder: so just cd into that dir and run? [19:27] <blindcoder> PeskyGee: run ./scripts/Config -cfg athlon [19:29] <PeskyGee> ok will do thank you. Well that was my lunch break. thanks for your help. :-) Have a good one :-) [19:30] Action: blindcoder going to sleep in a few hours :) [19:30] PeskyGee (~PeskyGee@pool-151-201-128-44.pitt.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:34] <SMP> *sigh* [19:47] <daja77> ? [19:50] <SMP> we need to put up big signs to keep some people out [19:50] <daja77> oh haven't read backlog yet [19:51] <daja77> ic [19:58] <SerWou> WOW [19:58] <SerWou> kernel 2.6.9 is UP [19:58] <SerWou> i restarted my configuration and it works now [20:03] <th> 2184 builds total, 2184 completed fine, 0 with errors. [20:03] <SerWou> damned, i loose my NIC Cards ! [20:03] <th> going to commit [20:04] <SerWou> i can't see them now, but i compiled my kernel especially to see them.. [20:45] _Lewelly1 (~lewellyn@c-67-180-175-10.client.comcast.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:48] Action: _Lewelly1 is still not having luck with vmware under rock :( [20:49] <_Lewelly1> the best vmware's support staff can tell me is "The version of Linux running on host is currently not supported" [20:49] <_Lewelly1> how useful :( [20:50] <_Lewelly1> i know i've asked before, but i'll try again: anyone else in here ever have vmware not want to power on virtual machines? [20:56] <netrunner> SerWou: has the kernel recognized them? have you maybe compiled them as module and the module is not loaded? [20:57] <netrunner> _Lewelly1: the vmware is binary only, no? [20:58] <_Lewelly1> netrunner: yes. [20:58] <netrunner> _Lewelly1: so is it a library problem? [20:59] <_Lewelly1> i don't know. i have no clue how to determine that. [20:59] <_Lewelly1> and vmware was far less than helpful when i tried asking. [20:59] <th> well i'm running vmware on rock [21:01] <_Lewelly1> ya. and i've verified that i've done everything that's in the article [21:01] <_Lewelly1> i'm reinstalling now. "just in case" [21:02] <_Lewelly1> (vmware, not all of rock) [21:03] <SMP> I've never had the slightest problem running vmware on ROCK [21:04] <SMP> obviously you need to have vmware-config.pl build custom kernel modules [21:05] <SerWou> how load the module ? [21:06] <_Lewelly1> SMP: i did that a few times. [21:06] <_Lewelly1> for whatever reason, build 8848 fixed it with a fresh download. [21:06] Action: _Lewelly1 got a newer build when it was purchased, it seems. [21:06] <th> SerWou: man modprobe ; man insmod [21:07] <SerWou> ok ; [21:07] <SerWou> ) [21:07] <_Lewelly1> now. to reply to vmware yet again. since they claimed they could not help me unless i gave them a log of what happened AFTER the vms were powered on, though my complaint was that they would not power on... :/ [21:11] <daja77> btw SMP, th anyone wants to spend a few hours in dresden this saturday? [21:17] <SMP> no. what's up? [21:18] <daja77> a small event where i got a rock booth, but atm i am the only one who will be there, because the other cannot be there [21:20] <SerWou> I don't know what to do with modprobe and insmode [21:20] <th> insmod is a simple program to insert a module into the linux kernel [21:20] <SerWou> i saw that ;) thanks [21:21] <SerWou> but which modules ? [21:21] <th> fine [21:21] <th> SerWou: so perhaps you need to ask more specific questions [21:21] <th> SerWou: kernel modules [21:21] <daja77> O_o [21:21] <SerWou> yes, i know, but how can i find the right names ? [21:21] <SMP> hmm. going from devfs to MAKEDEV-style /dev is getting hairy [21:21] <th> SerWou: these that you build with "make modules" [21:22] <_Lewelly1> hrm. seems that i only have two things left before i'm all set with rock now :) [21:22] <th> SerWou: you find them at /lib/ modules/`uname -r` [21:23] Action: _Lewelly1 does not like having to configure his system while working. [21:23] <SerWou> ok /lib/modules, ok thanks [21:23] <SerWou> let's see [21:26] <SMP> 3830 nodes in /dev is just SO ugly ... [21:27] <th> SMP: why are you doing that? [21:27] <SMP> I'm killing devfs for my target [21:28] Action: netrunner claps SMP bravo [21:28] <th> uhh. to migrate to /sys created /dev? [21:28] <netrunner> th: that's the future :) [21:28] <SMP> yeah, udev hopefully [21:28] <th> netrunner: don't you know SMP ;-] [21:28] <th> SMP: great [21:28] <SMP> for now, agetty isn't working ... [21:29] Action: daja77 considers not to go to dresden at all [21:34] <netrunner> daja77: thought you held a presentation? [21:35] <th> daja77: sorry for that - but you can't count on me at DD this time :-/ [21:35] Action: netrunner now has a beautiful cover page. [21:35] <daja77> just got a mail that the booths are in an area only reachable via stairs [21:35] <daja77> and i got this damn mail now [21:35] <daja77> >_< [21:36] <SMP> our init scripts really aren't suitable for non-devfs ;-O [21:36] <daja77> :D [21:38] <netrunner> SMP: maybe introduce a magic get-node script that maps to the correct? [21:38] <SMP> but I wanted to rewrite them anyway ;-> [21:38] <th> SMP: which ones? [21:38] <SMP> from /sbin/rc to /etc/init.d/system [21:45] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) left irc: "leaving" [21:55] <SMP> n8. [21:55] <daja77> n8 smp [21:59] <_Lewelly1> sleep well smp [22:03] <_Lewelly1> is the newest official kernel for 2.0 at 2.6.4 still? [22:05] <th> _Lewelly1: no it's 2.4.27 [22:05] <th> (which is newer than 2.6.4) [22:11] <SerWou> ok [22:11] <SerWou> I fixed the NIC problem [22:12] <_Lewelly1> th: ok. should i be running that vs 2.6.x? [22:13] <th> _Lewelly1: "should"? i don't know what you _should_ do. [22:13] <th> _Lewelly1: i'd suggest running 2.6.9 [22:13] <th> _Lewelly1: but i don't know what you are trying to do [22:14] <_Lewelly1> ok. i should have qualified with newest 2.6 kernel for 2.0 [22:14] <th> _Lewelly1: i don't understand that sentence [22:14] <_Lewelly1> well, at this point, i want a newer kernel which may have modules for my sound device that actually load. without changing my current configuration too terribly much. [22:15] <_Lewelly1> also, i need to get smp support working. [22:15] <_Lewelly1> th: i should have phrased it as: [22:15] <_Lewelly1> is the newest official 2.6 series kernel for rock 2.0.x still 2.6.4? [22:16] <th> _Lewelly1: no. it is 2.6.7 [22:17] Action: daja77 looking for things to break [22:17] <th> daja77: how about linux26 of stable? ;-} [22:17] Action: _Lewelly1 keeps daja77 away from his system :) [22:18] <daja77> th: i thought of some hw stuff [22:18] <th> ahh [22:19] <daja77> things that break with noise [22:19] <th> daja77: i could share some empty bottles of club-mate [22:19] Action: _Lewelly1 keeps daja77 even farther away [22:19] Action: _Lewelly1 closes the window to the fire escape overlooking a busy street [22:19] <daja77> _Lewelly1: the distance between usa and germany should be enough [22:19] <daja77> ah th got drugs ^^ [22:20] <th> daja77: they are empty since ages [22:20] <daja77> break them! [22:20] <_Lewelly1> yes, distance is a limiting factor [22:22] Action: daja77 found some aol cds [22:22] <th> daja77: don't hurt yourself [22:23] <daja77> this just sucks so much [22:23] <th> daja77: DD? [22:23] <daja77> i told them months ago about that [22:23] <daja77> yes [22:31] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "SerWou left the Chan" [22:42] madtux (~mike@ip253-10.ct.co.cr) joined #rocklinux. [22:42] <madtux> re [22:42] <madtux> https://www.infoworld.com/article/04/10/27/HNsusewarns_1.html [22:48] <_Lewelly1> wow. i'm actually on the phone with vmware right now. tech support called me. [22:48] <_Lewelly1> amazing. [22:48] <madtux> 0_o [22:48] <_Lewelly1> they're telling me 1) downgrade to 2.4 and 2) rock linux is not supported [22:49] <th> _Lewelly1: i'm running vmware on rock linux on 2.6.7 on this machine [22:49] <_Lewelly1> however, both those issues are irrelevant for my issue [22:50] <_Lewelly1> th: well, they said 2.4 is going to work better for my host's hardware. [22:50] <th> probably bullshit [22:51] <daja77> the 2nd just means they have no clue ... [22:53] <_Lewelly1> th: i'm running a stock off-the-shelf dell. it's possible they may actually know about the hardware. [22:53] <th> _Lewelly1: what model? [22:53] <_Lewelly1> i'll give them benefit of the doubt. esp since the main reason i was going to stick to 2.6 was to not bork my vmware [22:53] <th> _Lewelly1: optiplex? [22:53] <_Lewelly1> precision 410 [23:18] <_Lewelly1> wow. now devices are disappearing. i think vmware is getting as confused as i am [23:22] <daja77> O_o [23:24] <_Lewelly1> they're telling me to update the scsi driver in the guest because i'm having an issue with my scsi cd-rom drive, virtualized as ide, under (only) xp home [23:24] <netrunner> https://www.bash.org/?409223 *g* [23:24] <_Lewelly1> personally, i think that's bizarre. since windows does not know it's scsi. [23:25] <_Lewelly1> and, of course, it did not work :P [23:25] <_Lewelly1> netrunner: wonderful! :) [23:26] <_Lewelly1> even better is that he feels the need to tell irc. [23:26] <netrunner> oh well I know that situation, I always hit the print button accidently. [23:26] <netrunner> not on pron sites though :) [23:27] <_Lewelly1> i print to postscript. avoids embarrasing gaffes. [23:27] <_Lewelly1> sure, i have to make an extra step to send it to the printer, but it's worth it. [23:27] <netrunner> well I always try to print postscript, but the printer always converts it back to images :/ [23:28] Action: _Lewelly1 sends netrunner some nice postscript files. [23:28] <th> i just don't allow websites to maximize or popup [23:28] <_Lewelly1> it takes my laserwriter a day to raytrace an image [23:28] <_Lewelly1> th: i think he did it manually ;) [23:29] <th> "he did it manually" - no comment [23:30] <daja77> *hehe* [23:36] <th> is "svn cp URL wc ; svn ci" identically to apropriate "svn cp URL URL"? (wrt what happens in repo) [23:54] <th> anyhow i'm off for 2day [23:54] <daja77> n8 th [23:55] <netrunner> n8 th [23:57] <netrunner> n8 * [23:57] <daja77> n8 netrunner [00:00] --- Fri Oct 29 2004