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[00:27] <demian> hi geeks.
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[06:01] <demian> hi
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[08:00] <BoS> moin
[08:06] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[08:06] <SerWou> ps -ax
[08:06] <SerWou> sorry ;)
[08:10] <BoS> return value: " " :)
[08:12] <th> moin
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[09:03] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder
[09:03] <blindcoder> moin
[09:03] <th> hi blindcoder 
[09:04] <blindcoder> moin th
[09:05] <th> hmm i've the first version of my own lvm-common-wrapper script ready and working
[09:05] <blindcoder> great :)
[09:06] <blindcoder> if [ $kernelversion == 2.4* ] ; then /opt/lvm/bin/lvm "$@" ; else /opt/lvm2/bin/lvm "$@" ; fi
[09:06] <blindcoder> ?
[09:07] <th> kernel version can not be used for deciding.
[09:07] <blindcoder> damn
[09:07] <th> cause you can have lvm2 in 2.4
[09:07] <th> but that's not the point.
[09:07] <th> /proc/lvm only exists with lvm1
[09:07] <th> and then /opt might be on a volume group itself
[09:08] <th> so we will have to put it to /lib/lvm and /lib/lvm2
[09:08] <blindcoder> I see
[09:12] <th> and then we have the problem of the clashing manpages
[09:12] <blindcoder> brb
[09:12] <th> i think we will manage that by an exclusive config option
[09:15] <netrunne1> cpan-digest-sha1 missing on server target for spamassassin ...
[09:15] <th> we have a server target?
[09:16] <th> *jk*
[09:16] <netrunne1> th: yes, what's wrong with that?
[09:17] <th> nothin;
[09:17] <netrunne1> and ash segfaults during the build.
[09:23] <netrunne1> how can I select one cpan package with the custom selection rules?
[09:24] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner
[09:35] <blindcoder> back
[09:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: cpan=cpan-digest-sha1
[09:39] <netrunner> nope. does not work.
[09:39] <netrunner> only success was with X cpan, but that selects all.
[09:40] <th> aehm. is config.in in a package directory evaluated even if that package is not selected for build at all?
[09:40] <blindcoder> yes
[09:40] <blindcoder> otherwise _USEIT variables wouldn't work at all
[09:41] <netrunner> do they? ;)
[09:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes *kick*
[09:41] <blindcoder> th: but usually you want to do a if pkgcheck ${pkg} ; then 
[09:42] <blindcoder> th: apart from special things like loop-aes
[09:42] <th> blindcoder: i need a config option to decide which lvm-manpages to install
[09:42] <netrunner> oups, my gpg key is valid until day after tomorrow 
[09:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: use seahorse :D
[09:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: whats that?
[09:43] <blindcoder> you only have to update to 0.7.5
[09:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: a gnome app for gpg-key management
[09:43] <th> that's part of g-deps hell
[09:43] <blindcoder> th: indeed ;(
[09:43] <blindcoder> but at least 0.7.5 works
[09:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: is the update in sm?
[09:43] <blindcoder> while 0.7.4 crashes when you open the preferences dialoge to select the default key
[09:44] <blindcoder> netrunner: not yet, I just built and tried it
[09:44] <blindcoder> update was released just yesterday
[09:45] <blindcoder> committing...
[09:46] <blindcoder> 2004110309464023267
[09:48] <netrunner> oh well, crashes here.
[09:48] <blindcoder> 0.7.5?
[09:48] <netrunner> maybe I have to run gnome for that.
[09:48] <netrunner> yes
[09:48] <blindcoder> no, I just run icewm
[09:49] <blindcoder> and it works fine here :/
[09:49] <netrunner> maybe icewm is gnome compliant.
[09:49] <netrunner> bbl
[09:49] <blindcoder> okay, bye
[09:55] <th> can i have package without [D] line?
[09:57] <blindcoder> yes
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[12:03] <th> blindcoder: did you miss to add the newsflash to the news section on w3?
[12:14] <netrunner> openldap fails here because bdb42 lacks threading support, any idea?
[12:14] <blindcoder> w3?
[12:16] <blindcoder> th: what is w3?
[12:16] <th> web
[12:16] <th> www
[12:16] <th> the "internet"
[12:16] <th> websites
[12:16] <th> you must know that!
[12:16] <blindcoder> well, I added it to Rolling ROCK as usual
[12:16] <th> i just had a look at the box at the right
[12:17] <th> "BREAKING NEWS:"
[12:17] <blindcoder> hrm
[12:17] <blindcoder> oh
[12:17] <th> the september newsflash is there
[12:18] <daja77> th: perhaps the static page is not updated yet?
[12:18] <th> daja77: nope
[12:18] <th> daja77: i'm not looking at the static page.
[12:18] <th> http://www.rocklinux.net/typo3/
[12:18] <daja77> ok
[12:19] <blindcoder> I really forgot >_<
[12:20] <blindcoder> done
[12:20] <th> ack. thanks. looks better now.
[12:21] <blindcoder> ^^
[12:21] <blindcoder> glad to be of service
[12:21] <th> ;-}
[12:22] <blindcoder> okay, LVP website now also moved to typo3
[12:33] <netrunner> gngngn.
[12:33] Action: netrunner about to go back to gcc2.95
[12:34] <daja77> wuarg
[12:34] <netrunner> hey, I have so many broken utilities here.
[12:35] <netrunner> xfig cores when moving points. doxygen crashes during generation of docs. sdl stuff crashes at initialization of heaven knows what.
[12:35] Action: netrunner going back to windows.
[12:35] <th> daja77: uhhh i'm very confused. Download -required does not download linux-2.4.27
[12:35] <daja77> O_o
[12:36] <daja77> the desc file is in svn?
[12:36] <th> i'm talking of the bare HEAD
[12:36] <daja77> i'll have a look
[12:37] <th> it seems all right to me..
[12:38] <daja77> ah no damn rl.net doesn't get resolved here
[12:38] <th> i think this is somehow related to mnemocs patch to Download script
[12:38] <netrunner> daja77: use it with www.
[12:39] <daja77> root@angua:~# host www.rocklinux.net
[12:39] <daja77> Host www.rocklinux.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[12:40] <th> daja77: i'd say you need to check your dns-cache
[12:40] <mnemoc> moin
[12:40] <th> mnemoc: hi!
[12:41] <mnemoc> hi th 
[12:41] <th> mnemoc: might your patch have impact on Download -required?
[12:41] <daja77> th: if it would be mine ...
[12:41] <mnemoc> not here at least
[12:41] <netrunner> daja77: can you do sth like host www.rocklinux.net  dns01.btx.dtag.de ?
[12:41] <th> daja77: is it publicly accessable?
[12:42] <mnemoc> th: -required is used as a method of selecting packages, the changes i did were done one level bellow that
[12:42] <daja77> ah interesting, seems one of the universtity dns servers is outdated, works with another
[12:42] <th> mnemoc: well somehow -required does not work here
[12:43] <mnemoc> uhm? define 'does not work'
[12:43] <th> might be that dns01.btx.dtag.de only answering to dtag customers?
[12:43] <mnemoc> bias
[12:43] <blindcoder> try a.root-servers.org :-)
[12:43] <th> mnemoc: it does not download a file that is obviously needed and not present
[12:44] <th> blindcoder: that's a dns-server not a dns-cache
[12:44] <blindcoder> th: what's the difference for a user?
[12:44] <th> blindcoder: a user should point his/her resolver only on caches.
[12:46] <blindcoder> shrug. I have a root-server as tertiary nameserver in my resolv.conf
[12:46] <blindcoder> after the two arcor ones
[12:49] <th> blindcoder: the main difference is that servers are not to provide recursive answers
[12:50] <th> blindcoder: so a cache is for "hey just answer on that query"
[12:50] <daja77> arcor >_<
[12:50] <th> blindcoder: and a server may very well ignore a query completly if it's not authoritive
[12:50] <blindcoder> th: hm... one of these days I'll have to read up on how dns is working
[12:51] <blindcoder> daja77: it's quite good if you don't use your phone. Like I do :)
[12:51] <th> blindcoder: better start here: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html
[12:51] Action: blindcoder putting it into his CHECK_UP file
[12:52] <daja77> blindcoder: i am still waiting for them to give me dsl ...
[12:54] <mnemoc> th: which package?
[12:54] <th> mnemoc: linux24
[12:54] <mnemoc> oh
[12:54] <th> i added an echo to download_file() - it is not called for linux-2.4.27...
[12:55] <blindcoder> daja77: dsl was important for me when choosing my flat
[12:55] <th> "flat" ;-)
[12:55] <blindcoder> I can see my "Vermittlungstelle" when looking out of the kitchen window :)
[12:55] <blindcoder> th: indeed :)
[12:55] <daja77> blindcoder: i have an isdn flat and want to switch, but they are just lame
[12:55] <blindcoder> daja77: hrm, took ~4-6 weeks here
[12:56] <mnemoc> th: target?
[12:56] <th> rescue
[12:59] <mnemoc> linux24 is not enabled on packages file
[12:59] <th> mnemoc: but linux24-header is
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[12:59] <mnemoc> yes, true. BUT linux*-{header,src} don't declare [D]s
[12:59] <th> very strange this was working for months
[13:00] <mnemoc> i can waranty you it didn't
[13:00] <blindcoder> th: yes, but now we have 2.6 as default kernel
[13:00] <th> blindcoder: that has nothing to do with it.
[13:00] <th> blindcoder: i'm even on stable
[13:00] <blindcoder> hmmm okay
[13:00] <mnemoc> th: download linux24 by hand
[13:01] <th> mnemoc: thats not a clean solution :-/
[13:01] <mnemoc> X linux24 is the clean solution
[13:01] <th> no - i don't want this package to be built
[13:02] <mnemoc> then download it by hand Download -package linux24
[13:02] <th> can i do that by some target-logic?
[13:02] <mnemoc> linux*-{header,src} are against ROCK's logic per se
[13:02] <mnemoc> th: you can download by target but on 2.0 the file will never get shared with real linux24
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[13:03] <mnemoc> and linux*-{header,src} will never find it
[13:03] <mnemoc> Download download [D]s of all or config-required packages, no extra logic is there
[13:04] <mnemoc> and it have never been
[13:04] <mnemoc> well.... i think you can enable linux24 and remove stages on target
[13:04] <mnemoc> ---------
[13:05] <mnemoc> but that will fail on iso creation
[13:05] <mnemoc> ROCK wants every enabled package to produce a .gem, what is also a problem for 'extension' packages
[13:09] <th> hmmmm
[13:11] <th> target should be able to trigger a Download -package somehow
[13:11] <th> hmmm
[13:11] <th> i need no iso-creation!
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[13:11] <th> mnemoc: how would i remove the stages on target?
[13:11] <SerWou> hello mnemoc and th
[13:12] <th> mnemoc: ahh just with config.in
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[13:12] <th> mnemoc: letting sed make it a X -------
[13:16] <mnemoc> th: yes :)
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[13:17] <th>                / linux-24 /    { s/^[XO] ........... /X ----------/p; d; };
[13:17] <th> one space missing
[13:20] <mnemoc> the way target suppose to trigger package downloads is enabling them
[13:20] <th> uhhh linux24 disappeared
[13:20] <th> i did sth wrong
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[13:21] <th> aye - it's a dot to much
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[13:23] <th> mnemoc: damnit! the package is removed if it's all dashed...
[13:24] <blindcod1r> did you also dash the priority?
[13:24] <th> no
[13:26] <blindcod1r> hmm
[13:26] <blindcod1r> services dead?
[13:26] <th> irc?
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[13:26] <th> i try -?-------
[13:27] <blindcod1r> th: yes
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[13:28] <th> blindcoder: lilo announced outage for "in 7 hours" at 0600h
[13:28] <blindcoder> th: I see
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[13:30] <th> blindcoder: what the hell are you doing?
[13:30] <blindcoder> th: testing another irssi script to reget my nick in case of disconnect
[13:31] <blindcoder> so I don't have to do ghost && /nick && identify
[13:31] <blindcoder> manually
[13:31] <th> blindcoder: you should not do/need that on OPN
[13:31] <th> ahhh
[13:31] <th> i see
[13:31] <blindcoder> why wouldn't I need it?
[13:31] <th> ignore that
[13:32] <blindcoder> okay :)
[13:32] <th> you need it. i need it. i use it.
[13:32] <th> thought about something else
[13:32] <mnemoc> blindcoder: when you choose one, can you tell me it's URL? :)
[13:33] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I have adapted keepnick.pl to do GHOST calls
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[13:34] <blindcoder> for freenode I use: /keepnick -net freenode -nickserv NickServ services. password nickname
[13:34] <blindcoder> mnemoc: want it?
[13:34] <mnemoc> *bigyes*
[13:34] <blindcoder> though it didn't work for netrunner for some strange reason
[13:35] <blindcoder> dcc send in progress
[13:35] Action: daja77 kicking freenode
[13:36] Action: blindcoder helping daja77 
[13:37] <mnemoc> thanks blindcoder
[13:37] <blindcoder> mnemoc: please let me know if it works for you
[13:49] <th> something changed how to put a "choice" in config.in in trunk?
[13:49] <th> i use choice as usual in config.in
[13:49] <th> but the choice is not visible
[13:50] <th> am i to use menu_begin?
[13:51] <th> or is there no "pkgcheck" in trunk?
[13:52] <th> ahh it's something about "pkgcheck"
[13:52] <blindcoder> pkgcheck ${pkg} X
[13:52] <th> ok thanks
[13:53] <mnemoc> http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/politics/2004_ELECTIONRESULTS_GRAPHIC/index.html
[13:53] <blindcoder> needs flash
[13:53] <blindcoder> :(
[13:54] <mnemoc> :(
[13:55] <mnemoc> flash is a good plugin to install
[13:56] <daja77> unfortunately we are not allowed to package it
[13:56] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I can't install it at work
[13:56] <blindcoder> nor do I want to install it at home
[13:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: ah, I had to manually do sth to keep my nick?
[13:57] <blindcoder> netrunner: well... ever heard of configuration?
[13:58] <netrunner> hm. I entered my name and pass somewhere, but it never kept my nick. I expected it to work automatically.
[13:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: first: put keepnick.pl to autoload at irssi start
[13:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: second: /keepnick -net freenode -nickserv NickServ services. password nick
[13:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: third: remember that keepnick deactivates when you use the /nick command
[13:59] <blindcoder> that's about all
[13:59] <blindcoder> oh, and of course register your nick with nickserv first :)
[14:00] <netrunner> hm, did that twice already. now it is taken by sbd else.
[14:00] <netrunner> as long as he does not kick me...
[14:00] <blindcoder> registration expires if not used regularly
[14:01] <netrunner> yes, that's what I wanted keepnick.pl to do :)
[14:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: maybe you didn't make a symlink in ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/ ?
[14:03] <blindcoder> so that the script wasn't automatically loaded when you started irssi?
[14:03] <th> wow scripts/Config on a slow machine is a pain. it's worse in trunk
[14:04] <blindcoder> th: ack that
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[14:08] <th> help: you missed "msg" and "serv"
[14:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: I have no such directory.
[14:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's the problem
[14:08] <netrunner> hm.
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[14:08] <blindcoder> netrunner: the script is in ~/.irssi/scripts/keepnick.pl ?
[14:09] <netrunner> yes.
[14:09] <blindcoder> mkdir ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun ; cd ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun ; ln -s ../keepnick.pl
[14:09] <blindcoder> that way it is automatically loaded when you start irssi
[14:09] <blindcoder> note: this was the more friendly version of RTFM :)
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[14:13] <mnemoc> blindcoder: what [10:09:44] ωνω Keepnick: Couldn't determine chatnet (now )
[14:13] <mnemoc> means?
[14:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: that's one command to much. ln -s ../keepnick.pl  ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun/
[14:16] <blindcoder> mnemoc: that's when keepnick can't detect which chatnet you're on
[14:16] <blindcoder> mnemoc: mostly harmless
[14:17] <blindcoder> mnemoc: do you have this line in ~/.irssi/config:
[14:17] <blindcoder>   { address = "irc.freenode.net"; chatnet = "freenode"; port = "6667"; },
[14:17] <blindcoder> or something similiar?
[14:17] <blindcoder> netrunner: :P
[14:19] <mnemoc> blindcoder: yes, i do
[14:19] <blindcoder> mnemoc: then you can ignore it
[14:19] <blindcoder> okay, I gotta go now
[14:19] <blindcoder> bye
[14:21] <netrunner> ciao blindy
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[15:51] <rolla_> re
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[15:52] <daja77> hi rolla 
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[16:25] <treo> sali
[17:18] Action: blindcoder back
[17:20] <treo> reboot, slightly changed kernel
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[18:02] <MtrxRldr> hi hier ist alex w aus dem internat
[18:02] <daja77> O_o
[18:03] <blindcoder> ehm
[18:03] <daja77> damn i have no right to /kick
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[18:06] <blindcoder> wee, LICQ 1.3.0 has a OSD plugin
[18:06] <daja77> cool
[18:06] Action: blindcoder currently testing it with an unsuspecting friend :D
[18:14] <rolla> re
[18:14] <blindcoder> licq 1.3.0 CLI needs CDK
[18:14] <blindcoder> whatever that is
[18:14] <blindcoder> I only knew CDE
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[18:16] <treo> re
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[18:56] <mnemoc> rehi
[19:06] <SerWou> hello the Chan
[19:08] <th> mnemoc: your Download patch breaks -list-unknown
[19:08] <mnemoc> probably
[19:08] <mnemoc> i forgot about that option :\
[19:09] <th> mnemoc: do you have an idea how to fix that?
[19:09] <mnemoc> doing it more smart
[19:10] <th> good idea
[19:10] <mnemoc> i'll try to do it this night
[19:10] <mnemoc> but if you want to do it yourself much better :)
[19:10] <th> no no - would be great if you do it.
[19:11] <mnemoc> :)
[19:25] <SMP> I really don't see how a single shared download/ can be managed
[19:25] <SMP> cleaning up (-list-unknown | xargs rm) from within stable only removes symlinks
[19:26] <SMP> cleaning up from within trunk removes lots of files that stable has symlinks pointing to
[19:27] <th> SMP: how do you "clean up from within trunk"?
[19:27] <SMP> and most of all, I don't see a need for a shared download/ at all. I keep separate trunk and stable download/ and use -alt-dir to get hardlinks - no problemo
[19:28] <SMP> th: well, ideally -list-unknown | xargs rm
[19:28] <th> SMP: so that would not delete files symlinks point to
[19:28] <th> ahhhhhhh
[19:28] <th> misunderstood that one
[19:29] <th> (my thought was: tm only removes the link not the file the link points to)
[19:29] <th> s,tm,rm,
[19:29] <SMP> no, the other way round.
[19:30] <th> yep got that now
[19:30] <SMP> it can be made to work with hardlinks instead of symlinks, but then, what's the point sharing download/ at all?
[19:30] <SMP> brb
[19:31] <mnemoc> 2.0's -list-unknow | xargs rm   removing symlinks and 2.1's only listing as unknown which are not symlinked?
[19:31] <mnemoc> SMP: saving space
[19:32] <mnemoc> saving bandwidth too
[19:33] <mnemoc> hardlinks sometime get confused with binds
[19:35] <mnemoc> if you'r download is mounted alt-dir simply doesn't work because they are always considered different filesystems
[20:32] <SMP> saving space and bandwidth of course, yes. but keeping seperate dirs with hardlinks does that, too
[20:33] <SMP> where it doesn't save space, is that it is almost impossible to automatically purge stale files from that dir, as I explained above
[20:34] <SMP> even if the directory was not shared, in the case of the 2.0 scripts/Download it would keep the real files around indefinetely because only symlinks would be removed
[20:39] <SMP> Subject: [Mono-list] Mono 1.0.4 and Mono 1.1.2 released.
[20:39] <SMP> hmm
[20:40] Action: SMP thinks it's time for mono=mono10 and mono=mono11 (or maybn mono=mono12)
[20:40] <th> mnemoc: SMP: hey, please go on discussing that issue please
[20:40] <th> :-]
[20:40] <SMP> as well as gtk-sharp -> gtk-sharp1 plus a new gtk-sharp2
[22:01] <treo> gn8
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[23:10] <mnemoc> re
[23:12] <mnemoc> SMP: hardlinks don't work if your download dir is mounted (neither mount --bind)
[23:18] <netrunner> mnemoc: depends on how it is mounted :)
[23:18] <mnemoc> teach me :)
[23:18] <netrunner> I mount --bind it :)
[23:19] <mnemoc> it is
[23:19] <netrunner> and probably depends on the fs behind it.
[23:19] <mnemoc> reiserfs
[23:19] <netrunner> hm.
[23:19] <mnemoc> ln sais it is a different filesystem and it can't hardlink
[23:19] <SMP> mnemoc: that can be worked around by symlinking it. I use this
[23:20] <mnemoc> download/ symlinked ?
[23:20] <SMP> absolutely.
[23:20] <mnemoc> what happend on chroot?
[23:20] <mnemoc> happens*
[23:21] <SMP> nothing? ;)
[23:21] <netrunner> oh wow, once I use the uni proxy I suddenly have access to the acm :)
[23:21] <mnemoc> when i tryed i got broken broken download dirs
[23:22] <SMP> I think there was some change related to this several months ago
[23:22] <SMP> but I've never had a problem with this
[23:22] <mnemoc> a change you will port to 2.0?
[23:23] <SMP> this works for me on 2.0 as well
[23:23] <mnemoc> o_O
[23:23] Action: SMP looking for the changeset
[23:29] <SMP> hmm, ok, 2.0 Build-Pkg aborts if chroot and download is a symlink
[23:32] <SMP> ok, so what to do? I do think sharing download this way is not helpful and hard to maintain
[23:33] <SMP> and for those who do not share it makes life harder
[23:33] <mnemoc> i was thinking in improving Download on both trees
[23:34] <mnemoc> improve -list-unknown to performe as expected
[23:34] <SMP> I really don't think the 2.0 scripts can bear much more hacking
[23:34] <mnemoc> 2.0's hacking would be an ignore to download/mirror/ ... nothing else
[23:35] <SMP> that buys you nothing. -list-unknown | xargs rm would only remove symlinks
[23:35] <mnemoc> 2.1 can check if it's symlinked, and list as unknown if it's not
[23:36] <mnemoc> that would do the job 
[23:37] <SMP> you mean for each unknown file check if there's a symlink pointing to that file?
[23:37] <th> sounds expensive
[23:38] <SMP> the only way this *might* be fixable would be to use hardlinks instead of symlinks; and have 2.0 ignore the 2.1 structure and vice versa
[23:40] <mnemoc> with a find -type l -exec readlink \{\} \; i can do a list of symlinks once
[23:40] <mnemoc> cut it and sort it
[23:40] <mnemoc> then a single grep will tell me if it's shared or not
[23:40] <SMP> this is too much code for a little problem
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