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[00:24] <lewellyn> is there a complete list of packages/versions for 2.0.3 yet?
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[00:30] <mnemoc> grep -e '\[V\]' package/*/*/*.desc
[00:35] <lewellyn> mnemoc: i'm on windows, atm ;)
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[01:00] <mnemoc> lewellyn: me too :p
[01:01] <owl> O_o
[01:01] <mnemoc> what about you owlinette?
[01:03] <owl> <- runing on linux. aeh. being on linux
[01:05] <mnemoc> :p
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[09:38] <netrunne1> *thesisprint*
[09:39] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner
[10:55] <netrunner> ah, my crystal build is ready.
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[11:09] <netrunner> gcc 3.4.3 released.
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[12:13] <owl> moin
[12:17] <netrunner> hi owl
[12:19] <blindcoder> moin
[12:19] <netrunner> moin blindy, you're out of work?
[12:22] <owl> hi netrunner 
[12:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: no, just a break from the shell training
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[12:34] Action: netrunner starting a centrino build on his athlon-mp and wonders when it will fail :)
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[13:16] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[13:18] <owl> hi SerWou 
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[13:20] <SerWou> hello owl
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[13:27] <mnemoc> moin
[13:29] <owl> hi mnemoc :)))
[13:31] <owl> how are you?
[13:32] <mnemoc> fine, and you? how was your SPA?
[13:33] <owl> quite ok. a bit frozen. thx. SPA?
[13:43] Action: netrunner thinks there is a chance that the pentium-m build on the athlon-mp build will go fine - if it does not run any optimized binaries ...
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[13:50] <netrunner> oh well, illegal instruction.
[13:51] <owl> hmm. someone knows what could be defect if the accu of a notebook is not charging till 100 % anymore without reinserting the cable into the dose
[13:53] <netrunner> owl: your acpi implementation? or maybe the accu is just reporting the wrong value?
[13:55] <owl> nope. not really... both is ok... it happened about 2 - 3  days ago, that the accus is not charging as normal anymore, the cable is gettng really hot at the and which is inserted into the notebook and it is often removing capacitiy from accu with inserted cable... 
[13:56] <owl> and: my accu seems to be ok... at least i have - if it is at 100 % p  - about 1 134/ to 2 hours of running without battery
[13:56] <owl> 1 3/4 i mean
[13:57] <netrunner> owl: have you checked if your power supply provides the voltage it should?
[13:57] <netrunner> owl: have you checked if your accu provides the voltage it should?
[13:58] <netrunner> hot cable looks like a too big resistor ... maybe defect power supply or defect accu cell ...
[13:58] Action: netrunner trying to deliver his thesis a 2nd time ...
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[14:20] <owl> netrunner: yeah, i have... 
[14:21] <owl> i even used 2 different (but original asus-power supplies)... 
[14:21] <owl> hmm. if i'm "wackeln" on the "stecker", it also does provide new energy to my notebook, again, too
[14:26] <th> hmm bootdisk stage1 always fails to load the scsi-module
[14:27] <th> insmod got signalled with sig 8
[14:27] <owl> hi th
[14:27] <th> hi owl 
[14:27] <th> sig 8 is SIGFPE (Floating point exception)
[14:27] <th> it works in stage2
[14:27] <th> sounds like diet problem?
[14:52] <th> mnemoc: were we talking about rock's network configuration some time ago?
[14:55] <th> i'm now about considering "usability without reading some docs"
[14:56] <th> and i don't understand how i should setup simple dhcp for one interface
[14:56] <daja77> me neither
[15:00] <netrunner> th: you should put the 2.0.3 announcement on www.rocklinux.net ...
[15:00] <th> netrunner: there is no "announcement" yet
[15:01] <netrunner> th: but the tag is there :)
[15:01] <th> yes
[15:01] <th> now we can build ISO's we want to release with it
[15:01] <th> but ATM i try to understand the network configuration
[15:02] <th> i never did it with stone before.
[15:02] <netrunner> th: rocknet?  echo -e "auto eth0\ninterface eth0\n\tdhcp" > /etc/network/config
[15:02] <netrunner> is quite easy :)
[15:02] <daja77> O_o
[15:02] <th> netrunner: i want to do it as the end-user would do it
[15:02] <th> netrunner: using stone
[15:02] <netrunner> well, that works too iirc
[15:03] <th> netrunner: i guessed that i have to add "interface/profile"
[15:03] <th> well i did not know what a "global tag" is so i left it alone
[15:03] <th> i entered eth0 as interface name
[15:03] <netrunner> interface eth0(profile1)
[15:03] <netrunner> dhcp
[15:03] <th> and answered "yes" to the dhcp question
[15:03] <netrunner> interface eth0(profile2)
[15:03] <netrunner> ip 10.0.0.1/24
[15:03] <netrunner> etc.
[15:04] <th> now i have a "eth0" "interface/profile" and it does not work
[15:05] <th> netrunner: can you give me a short howto-use-stone-to-do-this-simple-task?
[15:05] <netrunner> stone->network configuration->add new interface/profile->eth0->yes->happy
[15:06] <th> no
[15:06] <th> not happy
[15:06] <netrunner> why? where does it hang?
[15:06] <th> "(Re-)Start network init script" ...
[15:07] <th> "Interface / profile ,atched: eth0(eth0)
[15:07] <th> Unknown statement in config file: dhcp
[15:07] <th> Unkown profile: 'default'
[15:07] <th> "
[15:07] <netrunner> hm, you are doing this for -stable? 
[15:08] <th> yes
[15:08] <th> content of /etc/network/config: "interface eth0\n\tdhcp"
[15:09] <blindcoder> interface eth0(default)
[15:09] <blindcoder> that's how to do it
[15:09] <th> so it's a stone bug to do it wrong?
[15:09] <th> or what did i wrong?
[15:09] <netrunner> well, I considered a bug and submitted a patch somewhen, don't know what happened to it
[15:10] <th> well - that's our stable release. and it's not obvious how to setup a simple dhcp
[15:12] <th> blindcoder: can you tell me how to achieve this with stone?
[15:13] <blindcoder> th: interface eth0 default
[15:14] Action: netrunner thinks the default needs to be in ()
[15:14] <blindcoder> netrunner: only in /etc/network/config, not in stone
[15:16] <netrunner> hm, stupid typo on the frontpage of my thesis :(
[15:16] <th> blindcoder: so i have to select "Add new interface/profile"?
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[15:16] <th> blindcoder: and i should enter "interface eth0 default" in that dialog?
[15:18] <blindcoder> yes
[15:18] <th> where should i know that from?
[15:18] <blindcoder> no idea
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[15:19] <blindcoder> I found out by entering interface eth0(default) in config, then selecting that entry in stone
[15:19] <blindcoder> IMHO the stone network module needs at least an overhaul anyway
[15:20] <th> this still does _not_ work
[15:20] <th> my /etc/network/conf now reads: "interface interface eth0 default\n\tdhcp"
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[15:23] <blindcoder> interface eth0(default)
[15:23] <blindcoder> or maybe you need to enter the (), no idea
[15:23] <blindcoder> long time since I last used the stone network module because it just royally sucks
[15:23] <blindcoder> it's anything but userfriendly or intuitive or even _usable_
[15:23] <th> still no luck with this.
[15:24] <th> exactly it's not usable at all
[15:24] <blindcoder> *cough*done by rxr*cough*
[15:24] <th> so our stable lacks a configuration utility for network :-/
[15:24] <blindcoder> there is: vim :)
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[15:25] <th> blindcoder: i'm talking about the suggested rock-way of doing it
[15:25] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[15:25] <th> blindcoder: at least network configuration menu should be reduced to "edit /etc/network/config file"
[15:25] <blindcoder> indeed
[15:26] <blindcoder> th: btw, you gonna use kilbourne now?
[15:26] <th> blindcoder: not ATM
[15:26] <daja77> the suggested way should work, so one can use it on livecd too, without bothering much
[15:26] <blindcoder> okay, so please tell me when you want to, because I have it powered off atm
[15:27] <th> blindcoder: i will
[15:27] <th> and i think THIS issue is worth bringing into stable.
[15:27] <th> how is it in trunk?
[15:27] <blindcoder> indeed
[15:27] <blindcoder> daja77: I once coded a small shell script to configure basic networking for my laptop rescue system (based on stable)
[15:28] <blindcoder> which is really just a small livecd with lots of tools for disk repair/backup/restore
[15:31] <th> so let's forget about stone. how should my /etc/network/config look like?
[15:31] <th> (personally i'm not using /etc/network at all)
[15:33] <blindcoder> what do you want to do?
[15:33] <blindcoder> dhcp?
[15:33] <th> yes
[15:33] <blindcoder> auto eth0
[15:34] <blindcoder> interface eth0(default)
[15:34] <blindcoder> \tdhcp
[15:34] <th> i see
[15:35] <th> what about: "Unknown statement in config file: dhcp"?
[15:36] <blindcoder> you're missing dhclient
[15:37] <th> i have "dhcpcd"
[15:37] <blindcoder> dhcp: etc/network/modules/dhcp.sh
[15:40] <th> so dhcpcd misses such a file
[15:41] <blindcoder> yes
[15:43] <netrunner> that's stupid. there should be a generic one that tries pump/dhclient/dhcpcd
[15:46] <th> netrunner: would you contribute a patch?
[15:49] <netrunner> th: maybe. not today :)
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[15:54] <th> and stone still misses code to check for /dev/fd/ :-/
[15:55] <th> and how can i make a default install to load a scsi module needed for rootfs?
[15:59] <th> i think i will not release binaries of a bootdisk target
[16:00] <mnemoc> you need a bootdisk built for the iso
[16:00] <th> why?
[16:00] <th> that bootdisk target is not really usable.
[16:00] <mnemoc> because it is used to make the iso boot
[16:01] <th> so that means i'm not providing a bootable iso.
[16:01] <mnemoc> yep
[16:01] <mnemoc> what is bad
[16:01] <th> ATM i think this is the better way to go
[16:01] <th> i even failed to get a system installed using stone
[16:01] <th> grub has been setup correctly
[16:01] <blindcoder> who on earth would use an iso that doesn't boot?
[16:01] <mnemoc> you will provide a no-installable iso? what sense can that make?
[16:01] <th> but scsi controller is not loaded in initrd
[16:01] <th> so rootfs cannot be mounted
[16:02] <blindcoder> th: then use mkinitrd
[16:02] <th> blindcoder: i selected "recreate initrd" from within stone
[16:02] <th> and it succeeded
[16:02] <blindcoder> for the same kernel you wanted to boot?
[16:02] <th> yes
[16:03] <blindcoder> did you add it to the PCI-configuration?
[16:03] <th> i tried the hwscan and the rockplug way
[16:03] <blindcoder> which was wrong
[16:03] <blindcoder> Kernel Drivers and Hardware Configuration -> Edit/View PCI configuration
[16:03] <th> rocklplug told me i had to add the module to "SYSIINIT_MODULES"
[16:04] <th> i will give it a try in a few hours again. 
[16:04] <th> i'm quite disapoointed from that target
[16:04] <th> (which i never used before)
[16:04] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:04] <blindcoder> it is the same stone as in all other targets
[16:05] <th> well the problem starts very early: BusLogic module fails to load
[16:05] <blindcoder> yes, that's right
[16:05] <blindcoder> no idea why, but manually loading it works here
[16:05] <th> not in stage1
[16:06] <th> open a kiss shell in stage1 and try loading it
[16:06] <th> i get a sig8 (SIGFPE) fro minsmod
[16:06] <blindcoder> hmm... I usually don't do that
[16:06] <blindcoder> saying I hate kiss doesn't really cut
[16:06] <blindcoder> it
[16:06] <th> i did that for debugging why loading scsi mods did not work
[16:06] <blindcoder> I haven't even been able to mount a cdrom with kiss
[16:07] <th> blindcoder: well. you can't do wrong using "insmod".
[16:07] <blindcoder> th: yes you can, because IIRC it's a kiss built-in like mount
[16:07] <th> and i suppose it fails for the same reason it fails in menu "(4)" in stage 1
[16:07] <th> blindcoder: sure?
[16:08] <th> blindcoder: so is stage1 using that?
[16:08] <blindcoder> th: no :)
[16:08] <blindcoder> no idea
[16:08] <th> ok i'm off for now. be back later
[16:08] <blindcoder> since I'm not using heavily overpriced hardware^W^W^WSCSI I never had problems
[16:09] <th> i'm using "vmware"
[16:09] <blindcoder> I'd wager a bug in hwscan
[16:10] <blindcoder> since I also seem to be unable to get it running in LVP for no apparent reason
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[16:39] <treo> hi
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[16:57] <demian> hi
[16:58] <mnemoc> hi demian 
[16:59] <demian> mnemoc. i am just learning some of SOAP to make a inet auction system. i hope i could learn fast.
[17:00] Action: mnemoc wants to learn SOAP too ... some day i will
[17:01] <demian> SOAP is simple. seems so. what one needs to manage are the components and libraries which use it. SOAP envelope by itself is not complex, afaik.
[17:12] <th> re
[17:12] <demian> hi th 
[17:18] <th> well. insmod does not work in stage1 of bootdisk
[17:37] <blindcoder> th: why?
[17:39] <netrunner> isn't there a module loading shell or so?
[17:39] <th> yes but insmod emits SIGFPE
[17:40] <th> netrunner: yes. that shell is in stage1 thats what i'm talking about
[17:42] <th> blindcoder: btw. now i created a /etc/network/modules/dhcp.sh and rocknet still does not setup my network
[17:43] <th> blindcoder: my config now has "auto eth0\ninterface eth0(default)\n\tdhcp"
[17:44] <th> well yes. it is setting up the interface but the /etc/init.d/network script still failes
[17:44] <blindcoder> th: did you create it according to the existing dhcp.sh?
[17:44] <th> blindcoder: yes
[17:44] <th> blindcoder: i just replaced dhclient with dhcpcd
[17:46] <th> rocknet exists with exitcode 1
[17:46] <th> thus init script shows failure
[17:46] <th> altough it looks all ok
[17:47] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:47] <blindcoder> no idea, sorry
[17:52] Nick change: _Ragnar__ -> _Ragnar_
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[19:55] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[19:55] <_Ragnar_> hi :)
[20:06] <SerWou> hello _Ragnar_
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[20:26] <owl> hi
[20:26] <owl> or better: re
[20:26] <blindcoder> hi hi and rehi :)
[20:27] <demian> hi owl !!
[20:28] <owl> hi demian :) how are you, old man? *vbeg*
[20:29] <blindcoder> demian: yeah, someone sealed the window so she was stuck outside :)
[20:29] <owl> huh?
[20:32] <demian> lol@blindy.net
[20:32] <blindcoder> ?
[20:33] <demian> fine owl, just worried about someone but fine to be honest.
[20:33] <demian> almost dead, 36 hours without sleep. what about u?
[20:33] <owl> why shoudl my window be moved?
[20:33] <owl> omfg O_o 
[20:34] <owl> dead (inside), and my body more or less tired (having insomnia, had about 4 hours of sleep today)... 
[20:34] <demian> ah! so u havent changed so much since i met u. :)
[20:35] <owl> hm. more i less i changed myself... i'm now a bit more positive (except if there was/is a day like today... )
[20:35] <blindcoder> you were non-black clothes? :)
[20:36] <demian> this year have been emontionally radical for me. so many emotions changes during the year make me a confused man last days.
[20:37] Action: demian is getting crazy
[20:37] <owl> o_O 
[20:38] <blindcoder> heh, that's 2000 been for me
[20:49] Action: blindcoder --> bed
[20:50] <demian> dunt tell me about beds that i am falling :s
[21:21] <netrunner> stupid xscreensaver vs. xinerama.
[21:22] Action: netrunner has a crystal build finished ... but will probably do it again since gcc 3.4.3 is out and fixes many bugs from 3.4.2
[21:31] <SerWou> hello
[21:31] <SerWou> need an advice
[21:31] <SerWou> a cd burner app for rocklinux
[21:38] <netrunner> SerWou: I suggest cdrecord.
[21:39] <SerWou> cdrecord
[21:39] <SerWou> ok, thanks
[21:39] <SerWou> let's try it
[21:39] <SerWou> i tryed xcdroast but i can't find how to burn iso image
[21:40] <demian> it u r looking for a graphic application and ur system supports qt and kde, maybe k3b is a good option. i havent used it enough, but people is happy with it.
[21:40] <SerWou> ok, thanks
[21:42] <demian> i think k3b uses mkisofs and cdrecord behind the scenes, almost sure.
[21:43] <SerWou> ok
[21:44] <netrunner> k3b is fine. for those who like it coloredclickieasi :)
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