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[00:01] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.26) left irc: Connection timed out [00:01] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [00:23] Action: fake is older than ever [00:24] <daja77> yhad your birthday? [00:24] <mnemoc> every day [00:25] <owl> why? [00:26] <owl> <- going to count sheeps [00:26] <owl> gn8. [00:26] <mnemoc> n8 owl [00:27] <owl> gn8 old man *vbeg* [00:29] <mnemoc> =) [00:36] Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:37] <netrunner> damn, forgot the version of gcc34 :) [00:37] <netrunner> and why am I getting all sm mails I cause duplicated? [00:40] <daja77> your update? [00:41] <netrunner> yup. this caused some .conf magic to silently fail. without error. only made 1-glibc23 fail. [00:41] <daja77> 3.4.2 [00:42] <daja77> 3.4.3 [00:42] <daja77> sorry [00:43] <netrunner> well ... it works. just compiled a crystal with it. but the usual problems ... overoptimized groff failed, overoptimized libGL crashes gl stuff ... [00:44] Action: daja77 now running build machine on crystal + additional packages [00:44] Action: netrunner now running to bed :) [00:44] <fake> n8 netrunner [00:45] Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:45] <netrunner> fake: what form would you like to have the crystal? [00:47] <fake> netrunner: i'm currently building my own [00:47] <netrunner> ah ok. [00:47] <fake> not pentium-m optimized, p-mmx [00:47] <fake> i need it for a few boxen [00:48] Action: daja77 found lacks in that distro, but nfirst i have to get may mailprogram runnig again [01:09] daja77 ([muZr7sJ4p@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] daja77 ([zltWhcvBZ@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) joined #rocklinux. 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See https://www.rocklinux.org/rock20down.html [09:47] #rocklinux: mode change '-o th' by th!th@thzn.de [09:48] Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:52] Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [09:54] Mestapheles (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:21] ringo (ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [10:45] <SMP> th? [11:02] Togg (~sweitzel@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) got netsplit. [11:02] [anders2] (~snafu@82-68-84-60.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) got netsplit. [11:02] jsaw (~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de) got netsplit. [11:02] owl (owl@karnaya.de) got netsplit. [11:02] jsaw (~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de) returned to #rocklinux. [11:02] [anders2] (~snafu@82-68-84-60.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) returned to #rocklinux. [11:02] owl (owl@karnaya.de) returned to #rocklinux. [11:02] Togg (~sweitzel@reverse-213-146-118-69.dialin.kamp-dsl.de) returned to #rocklinux. [11:21] daja77 ([8vZn86iyp@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:28] <blindcoder> moin AngelHunter :) [11:29] <daja77> :D [11:29] <daja77> that was just because of Rafayel ^^ [11:30] <blindcoder> hehe [11:30] <blindcoder> I just started a few days ago :/ [11:30] <blindcoder> And just leveled to 28 :) [11:30] <daja77> he is studying with me ;) [11:30] <blindcoder> I see :) [11:31] <daja77> but he seems to stay first and that with a box rented from 1&1 [11:31] <blindcoder> I use my always-on box at bingo :) [11:31] <daja77> *gg* [11:32] <blindcoder> level 28 and I still have _no_ weapon at all :/ [11:32] <daja77> oh [11:32] <blindcoder> conduct: You never hit with a wielded weapon. [11:32] <blindcoder> :) [11:33] <daja77> we have a smaller game running on ircnet , which is more fun, because there are no 400 and more players :) [11:34] <blindcoder> yeah, I think this mass of players makes it a little unpersonal [11:34] <blindcoder> we should set one up for rock devs only :D [11:34] <daja77> and Rafayel patched the bot so it does autologin [11:35] <blindcoder> autologin? [11:36] <daja77> yes it matches your hostmask, and logs you in, if you are already known to the bot, quite nice on netsplits and stuff [11:39] <blindcoder> I see [11:39] <blindcoder> well, now I'm going to see something to eat [11:39] <blindcoder> bbl [11:49] <owl> moin [12:14] ringo_ (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [12:15] ringo_ (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] <blindcoder> back [12:29] <owl> hi blindcoder [12:30] <blindcoder> moin owly [12:30] <owl> someone knows the phone-nr of the "bayerische verbraucherschutzzentrale"? [12:30] <blindcoder> no, sorry [12:30] <owl> dammit :( [12:36] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EB92C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:40] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EA47E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:04] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-206-145.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:08] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-191-027.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:11] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EBA1E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:22] tschmidt__ (~tschmidt@p508EBA1E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:24] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EB92C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:24] tschmidt__ (~tschmidt@p508EBA1E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EBD3A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:28] ringo_ (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [13:32] tschmidt__ (~tschmidt@p508EB219.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:37] nzg (~tschmidt@p508EBA1E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] ringo (ringo78@xs3.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:47] tschmidt_ (~tschmidt@p508EBD3A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:52] ringo_ (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: "leaving" [14:08] treo (~xfman@D96d6.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:09] <treo> sali [15:02] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^afk [15:09] <th> SMP: pong [15:09] <SMP> Jabber ;) [15:29] valentin_ (~valentin@port-212-202-170-162.dynamic.qsc.de) joined #rocklinux. [15:29] valentin (~valentin@port-212-202-170-162.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:30] <owl> somone has experience with dsungarian hamsters? [15:30] <valentin_> owl: i had some [15:30] <valentin_> why ? [15:31] Nick change: valentin_ -> valentin [15:33] <owl> valentin: ok. well. my hamster had a "gerstenkorn" over the right eye and now i had to give her a "antibiotische salbe" and he has pieces without hair (fell) now ... :( do you know by accident what this could be? [15:33] <valentin> how old is she ? [15:33] <owl> about 1 1/2 years. [15:34] <owl> (and: btw, she doesn't do much anymore. not running in the laufrad, just eating, drinking and sleeping) [15:35] <valentin> their fur gets thiner when they get old, that is normal, but when there are regions without fur that sounds critical [15:35] <owl> dammit :( but: she's really fat. [15:35] <owl> but at the "seitenteile" she's a bit "eingefallen" [15:35] <valentin> is she alone in her cage ? [15:36] <valentin> she gets thinner - so maybe she stopped eating ? [15:36] <owl> yeah, but she has contact to another hamster which is in another cage [15:36] <owl> nope. not really. at least the food is missing [15:36] <owl> and: she's often drinking a lot (often about 3 - 5 minutes just drinking) [15:37] <valentin> that is quite often [15:37] <owl> hm. ok. before they die? [15:37] <valentin> you give her fresh food ? [15:37] <owl> yeah, sometimes "mehlwuermer" [15:37] <valentin> owl: 1.5 years is old for dsungarian hamsters [15:38] <owl> yeah. i know ... :( [15:38] <owl> (btw, would it be more human to end her life?) [15:38] <valentin> i mean apple pieces, cucumber etc [15:38] <owl> ah so. nope. not really. [15:38] <valentin> owl: no - when they from with age they die quite peacefully [15:39] <owl> ok. hmm. would you recommend me to ask the doc what it is, or is it "just" a "alterserscheinung"? [15:39] <valentin> the doc will know better than me i think [15:40] <valentin> my diagnosis: [15:40] <valentin> the loss of fur is either a consequence of age or a consequence of to few vitamines or even both [15:42] <owl> hmm. vitamines i don't think... i give her very good food + vitaminpraeperate + sometimes (twice a week) mehlwuermer [15:42] <valentin> does she have arteritis, too ? [15:42] <owl> arteritis? [15:43] <valentin> inflexible legs ? [15:44] <owl> hmmm. i dunno. how do i remark this? [15:45] <valentin> shivering and streching and limping and draging her back lecks [15:45] <valentin> happens sometimes at age > 1.5 y [15:45] <owl> hmm. not really... [15:46] <owl> well, my doc will call me back soon [15:46] <owl> *hoping* [15:46] <valentin> owl: i would recomend giving fresh food to your hamsters - not only vitaminpraeparate and dry food [15:46] <valentin> cut very thin slices of fresh fruit [15:46] <owl> hmm. the problem is, that they don't eat it - i tried it sometimes... [15:47] <owl> which food? i tried apple, banana... [15:47] <valentin> oh - mine realy freaked out about fresh food [15:47] <owl> and "birne" [15:47] <valentin> apple, birne == pear ? [15:47] <valentin> salatgurke [15:47] <owl> O_o well, my hamsters are a bit "waehlerisch" i guess [15:47] <valentin> some even liked peaches and a bit cherry [15:47] <owl> salatgurke? O_o [15:47] <owl> yeah, pear [15:48] <valentin> cucumber contains much water, my hamsters liked wet food [15:49] <daja77> guinea pigs too [15:49] <valentin> but remember - thin pieces only, otherwise it will start to molder in the cage [15:49] <owl> ok O_o hmmm. well, i should try it, too. but where to get one in winter? [15:49] <owl> yeah, i know... [15:49] <valentin> cucumber == salatgurke ? [15:49] <daja77> super market ... [15:50] <owl> huh? in winter? O_o [15:50] <valentin> daja77: there are super markets in winter ? [15:50] <daja77> yes they are still growing in winter ;) [15:50] <blindcoder> what? super markets are? :) [15:50] <valentin> good old netherland grow houses [15:50] <owl> O_o [15:51] <valentin> i'd like to plant a smal super marked too - anyone with experience ? [15:51] <valentin> s/smal/small [15:51] <daja77> hm a small one, so start growing an edeka or spar ^^ [15:52] <blindcoder> tend to it well and it'll grow into an EuroSpar :) [15:52] <daja77> hehe or sb halle [15:54] <owl> O_o [15:54] <owl> well, i will grab food, too. now. [15:54] <owl> thx for the help... [15:54] <owl> cya [15:57] <valentin> cu owl [16:13] Nick change: BoS^afk -> BoS [16:16] Minto (~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl) joined #rocklinux. [17:27] <praenti> hi [17:27] Action: praenti started his first powerpc build... [17:59] <fake> nabend [17:59] <th> hi fake [17:59] <fake> ah, th [17:59] <fake> th: the powerpc stable build hung after half a week while building mono [18:00] <fake> i didn't have the time to investigate that yet [18:00] <th> hmmmm i see [18:00] <th> a build should not simply "hang" [18:00] <fake> jup [18:00] <th> strange [18:01] <fake> ill have a look the next hours [18:01] Action: fake just arrived [18:42] tcr (~tcr@p54879273.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:47] <[anders2]> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/poland_vote_against/ [18:48] <_Ragnar_> nice [18:48] <_Ragnar_> glad to see that at least some people are not totally bought and sold to big business [18:49] <[anders2]> _Ragnar_: amen [18:52] <fake> https://www.sorryeverybody.com/ [18:52] <_Ragnar_> ;) [19:00] <daja77> hi fake, how are you [19:21] tschmidt__ (~tschmidt@p508EB219.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:29] <mnemoc> moin [19:33] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:40] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:41] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [19:49] <mnemoc> hi SerWou [19:52] <SerWou> hello mnemoc [20:22] BoS_ (~BoS@dialin-212-144-072-142.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:32] BoS (~BoS@dialin-145-254-080-215.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:32] tcr (~tcr@p54879273.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:35] Nick change: BoS_ -> BoS [20:45] <netrunner> anybody can tell me what language that is? "Determina si pone o no +x al loguearse" [20:45] <mnemoc> spanish [20:46] <netrunner> mnemoc: oh, that's what you speak? [20:46] <mnemoc> yes :) [20:46] Action: netrunner has an xchat plugin, but everything is spanish... [20:46] <daja77> hehe [20:47] <mnemoc> hehe [20:47] <mnemoc> that was a "set +x on logon" [20:48] <netrunner> mnemoc: yes, thx. Now I know the language I can try babelfish :) [20:48] <mnemoc> =) [20:48] <mnemoc> if babelfish doesn't help, ask me :) [20:48] <daja77> babelmnemoc [20:48] <netrunner> mnemoc: I could send you the tarball :) [20:49] <mnemoc> uhm [20:49] <netrunner> never mind, I think I can do it. it's no tthat mouch. [21:03] <mnemoc> :) [21:14] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [21:14] <demian> hi [21:51] demian__ (~demian@208.165.55.133) joined #rocklinux. [21:51] demian (~demian@208.165.55.133) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:52] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) joined #rocklinux. [21:52] Nick change: demian__ -> demian [22:02] Minto (~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.3/20040910]" [22:08] [anders2] (~snafu@82-68-84-60.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:13] <owl> re [22:14] <demian> hello owl :) [22:15] <owl> hi demian [22:23] <treo> gn8 [22:24] treo (~xfman@D96d6.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [22:37] <netrunner> mnemoc: is there a better translation for muestra than 'sample'? [22:37] <mnemoc> muestra=show or sample [22:37] <netrunner> ah show is good :) [22:37] <mnemoc> according to the context [22:38] <mnemoc> =) [22:38] <netrunner> /xversion shows the version :) [22:38] <mnemoc> sample the version :p [22:38] <netrunner> well - sounded weird :) [22:38] <mnemoc> absolutly [22:58] <netrunner> now I still have to fix it. stupid crappy script-kiddie code. [23:00] <mnemoc> why are you using it then? [23:02] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:03] praenti (~praenti@mail.obster.org) joined #rocklinux. [23:04] <netrunner> mnemoc: oh well... I don't even want to. my gf is to lazy to always authenticate herself to the X bot on undernet ... [23:05] <mnemoc> oh, under gf's commandment you shall rewrite it :p [23:10] <mnemoc> OT: about c++. does the use of abstract classes was performance impact? [23:14] <mnemoc> i mean, does late binding occur if parent class doesn't have any implementation? [23:21] Action: daja77 representing rock @ UN tomorrow [23:21] ringo (ringo78@xs2.xs4all.nl) left irc: "." [23:21] <mnemoc> o_O [23:22] <daja77> yeah its true [23:22] <mnemoc> why? [23:22] Action: netrunner bowing before daja77 [23:22] <daja77> got an offer soem hours ago [23:22] <mnemoc> an offer to "talk about rock"??? [23:23] <daja77> no [23:23] <mnemoc> to vote? to what? [23:23] <daja77> but speaking for opensource in general [23:23] <mnemoc> wow [23:23] <daja77> registered for rock project though [23:24] <mnemoc> url? :p [23:24] <mnemoc> OT: about c++. does the use of abstract classes was performance impact? [23:25] <mnemoc> i mean, does late binding occur if parent class doesn't have any implementation? [23:32] <valentin> mnemoc: abstract methods == call through function ptr [23:32] <valentin> once you have an instance of your class, the pointer is known [23:32] <valentin> has nothing to do with binding [23:35] <mnemoc> to i have to prefix the methods somehow to get that behavior? [23:35] <mnemoc> do* [23:36] <valentin> use the virtual keyword (i'm not sure if that was your question) [23:36] <valentin> like [23:37] <valentin> virtual int GetInt () = 0 [23:37] <valentin> ; [23:37] <mnemoc> that's the default return value? [23:37] <valentin> no, "= 0" means: no implementation [23:37] <mnemoc> oh [23:37] <valentin> for default return value use [23:37] <valentin> virtual int GetInt () { return 0; } [23:38] <mnemoc> :p [23:38] <valentin> in C you would do a [23:38] <valentin> int (*GetInt) () [23:38] <valentin> and set this ptr to different functions [23:40] <mnemoc> i thought virtual forced method 'searching' on every call [23:41] <mnemoc> void* GetInt=&Foo ? [23:42] <valentin> hm ? [23:42] <mnemoc> int (*GetInt) () <--- how do i declare that var? [23:42] <valentin> int functionA () { .... } [23:43] <valentin> int functionB () { .... } [23:43] <valentin> GetInt = functionA // no brackets ! [23:43] <valentin> then call with [23:43] <valentin> GetInt() [23:43] <valentin> and functionA is called [23:43] <mnemoc> what's the data type of GetInt? [23:43] <valentin> the data type is [23:44] <valentin> int (*) () [23:44] <mnemoc> o_O [23:44] <mnemoc> i'll have to trust :p [23:44] <valentin> that means "pointer to a function returning int" [23:44] <valentin> if that function takes arguments, it would be [23:44] <valentin> int (*) (int, doule, char) [23:45] <valentin> the notation with the brackets is necessary, otherwise it would be confused with int* [23:46] <mnemoc> ic [23:46] <valentin> using c++ and classes you would of course use the virtual method thing [23:47] Action: mnemoc have to re-learn c/c++ and re-learn gdb :p [23:47] <valentin> gdb on C++ sucks very often [23:47] <mnemoc> outch [23:47] Action: netrunner fighting with c here ... [23:47] <valentin> esp when using much templates [23:48] <valentin> many [23:48] <netrunner> if( word[4] == "1" && X_SPOOF == "1" ) fails, but word[4] contains "1" and X_SPOOF is also "1". [23:48] <demian> what frontend for gdb is cool? always use it from cmd to debug small code (asm), never C. [23:49] <valentin> netrunner: you mean word[4] == '1' i guess [23:49] <valentin> char != char* [23:49] <demian> what type is word[]? [23:49] <netrunner> hm. afaics word is a char *word[] .. an array of char*s... [23:50] <valentin> ok, then use [23:50] <valentin> strcmp(word[4], "1") == 0 [23:50] <netrunner> okili. [23:50] <valentin> the same for X_SPOOF [23:51] <demian> fmy, is there a typed class in C++ to manage strings? like String in java or c# ? [23:51] <valentin> std::string [23:51] <valentin> defined in #include <string> [23:52] <demian> k [23:52] <valentin> 23:47 < netrunner> if( word[4] == "1" && X_SPOOF == "1" ) fails, but word[4] contains "1" and X_SPOOF is also "1". [23:52] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:52] <valentin> damn [23:53] <valentin> sorry, did not want to paste that [23:53] <valentin> copied the '\n' by accident [23:54] Action: netrunner feeling quoted :) [23:54] <netrunner> wonderful, now it cores. [23:54] <valentin> if( !( strcmp(word[4], "1") || strcmp(X_SPOOF, "1") ) ) [23:54] <valentin> that is what i wanted to sa [23:54] <valentin> y [23:55] <valentin> netrunner: /me pasting all your writing into my secret book *g* [23:56] <valentin> what does core ? [23:57] <netrunner> hm ... almost working. there was a [] missing... [23:59] <mnemoc> valentin: can i send a _class_ as argument? to 'register' them and instanciate some of the registered classes about some logic? [00:00] --- Fri Nov 19 2004