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[00:24] <daja77> yhad your birthday?
[00:24] <mnemoc> every day
[00:25] <owl> why? 
[00:26] <owl> <- going to count sheeps
[00:26] <owl> gn8. 
[00:26] <mnemoc> n8 owl 
[00:27] <owl> gn8 old man *vbeg*
[00:29] <mnemoc> =)
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[00:37] <netrunner> damn, forgot the version of gcc34 :)
[00:37] <netrunner> and why am I getting all sm mails I cause duplicated?
[00:40] <daja77> your update?
[00:41] <netrunner> yup. this caused some .conf magic to silently fail. without error. only made 1-glibc23 fail.
[00:41] <daja77> 3.4.2
[00:42] <daja77> 3.4.3
[00:42] <daja77> sorry
[00:43] <netrunner> well ... it works. just compiled a crystal with it. but the usual problems ... overoptimized groff failed, overoptimized libGL crashes gl stuff ...
[00:44] Action: daja77 now running build machine on crystal + additional packages
[00:44] Action: netrunner now running to bed :)
[00:44] <fake> n8 netrunner 
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[00:45] <netrunner> fake: what form would you like to have the crystal?
[00:47] <fake> netrunner: i'm currently building my own
[00:47] <netrunner> ah ok.
[00:47] <fake> not pentium-m optimized, p-mmx
[00:47] <fake> i need it for a few boxen
[00:48] Action: daja77 found lacks in that distro, but nfirst i have to get may mailprogram runnig again
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[08:19] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:45] <SMP> th?
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[11:28] <blindcoder> moin AngelHunter :)
[11:29] <daja77> :D
[11:29] <daja77> that was just because of Rafayel ^^
[11:30] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:30] <blindcoder> I just started a few days ago :/
[11:30] <blindcoder> And just leveled to 28 :)
[11:30] <daja77> he is studying with me ;)
[11:30] <blindcoder> I see :)
[11:31] <daja77> but he seems to stay first and that with a box rented from 1&1
[11:31] <blindcoder> I use my always-on box at bingo :)
[11:31] <daja77> *gg*
[11:32] <blindcoder> level 28 and I still have _no_ weapon at all :/
[11:32] <daja77> oh
[11:32] <blindcoder> conduct: You never hit with a wielded weapon.
[11:32] <blindcoder> :)
[11:33] <daja77> we have a smaller game running on ircnet , which is more fun, because there are no 400 and more players :)
[11:34] <blindcoder> yeah, I think this mass of players makes it a little unpersonal
[11:34] <blindcoder> we should set one up for rock devs only :D
[11:34] <daja77> and Rafayel patched the bot so it does autologin 
[11:35] <blindcoder> autologin?
[11:36] <daja77> yes it matches your hostmask, and logs you in, if you are already known to the bot, quite nice on netsplits and stuff
[11:39] <blindcoder> I see
[11:39] <blindcoder> well, now I'm going to see something to eat
[11:39] <blindcoder> bbl
[11:49] <owl> moin
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[12:19] <blindcoder> back
[12:29] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[12:30] <blindcoder> moin owly
[12:30] <owl> someone knows the phone-nr of the "bayerische verbraucherschutzzentrale"?
[12:30] <blindcoder> no, sorry
[12:30] <owl> dammit :(
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[14:09] <treo> sali
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[15:09] <th> SMP: pong
[15:09] <SMP> Jabber ;)
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[15:30] <owl> somone has experience with dsungarian hamsters?
[15:30] <valentin_> owl: i had some
[15:30] <valentin_> why ?
[15:31] Nick change: valentin_ -> valentin
[15:33] <owl> valentin: ok. well. my hamster had a "gerstenkorn" over the right eye and now i had to give her a "antibiotische salbe" and he has pieces without hair (fell) now ... :( do you know by accident what this could be?
[15:33] <valentin> how old is she ?
[15:33] <owl> about 1 1/2 years. 
[15:34] <owl> (and: btw, she doesn't do much anymore. not running in the laufrad, just eating, drinking and sleeping)
[15:35] <valentin> their fur gets thiner when they get old, that is normal, but when there are regions without fur that sounds critical
[15:35] <owl> dammit :( but: she's really fat.
[15:35] <owl> but at the "seitenteile" she's a bit "eingefallen"
[15:35] <valentin> is she alone in her cage ?
[15:36] <valentin> she gets thinner - so maybe she stopped eating ?
[15:36] <owl> yeah, but she has contact to another hamster which is in another cage
[15:36] <owl> nope. not really. at least the food is missing
[15:36] <owl> and: she's often drinking a lot (often about 3 - 5 minutes just drinking)
[15:37] <valentin> that is quite often
[15:37] <owl> hm. ok. before they die?
[15:37] <valentin> you give her fresh food ?
[15:37] <owl> yeah, sometimes "mehlwuermer" 
[15:37] <valentin> owl: 1.5 years is old for dsungarian hamsters
[15:38] <owl> yeah. i know ... :( 
[15:38] <owl> (btw, would it be more human to end her life?)
[15:38] <valentin> i mean apple pieces, cucumber etc
[15:38] <owl> ah so. nope. not really. 
[15:38] <valentin> owl: no - when they from with age they die quite peacefully
[15:39] <owl> ok. hmm. would you recommend me to ask the doc what it is, or is it "just" a "alterserscheinung"?
[15:39] <valentin> the doc will know better than me i think
[15:40] <valentin> my diagnosis:
[15:40] <valentin> the loss of fur is either a consequence of age or a consequence of to few vitamines or even both
[15:42] <owl> hmm. vitamines i don't think... i give her very good food + vitaminpraeperate + sometimes (twice a week) mehlwuermer
[15:42] <valentin> does she have arteritis, too ?
[15:42] <owl> arteritis?
[15:43] <valentin> inflexible legs ?
[15:44] <owl> hmmm. i dunno. how do i remark this?
[15:45] <valentin> shivering and streching and limping and draging her back lecks
[15:45] <valentin> happens sometimes at age > 1.5 y
[15:45] <owl> hmm. not really... 
[15:46] <owl> well, my doc will call me back soon
[15:46] <owl> *hoping*
[15:46] <valentin> owl: i would recomend giving fresh food to your hamsters - not only vitaminpraeparate and dry food
[15:46] <valentin> cut very thin slices of fresh fruit
[15:46] <owl> hmm. the problem is, that they don't eat it - i tried it sometimes... 
[15:47] <owl> which food? i tried apple, banana... 
[15:47] <valentin> oh - mine realy freaked out about fresh food
[15:47] <owl> and "birne"
[15:47] <valentin> apple, birne == pear ?
[15:47] <valentin> salatgurke
[15:47] <owl> O_o well, my hamsters are a bit "waehlerisch" i guess
[15:47] <valentin> some even liked peaches and a bit cherry
[15:47] <owl> salatgurke? O_o
[15:47] <owl> yeah, pear
[15:48] <valentin> cucumber contains much water, my hamsters liked wet food
[15:49] <daja77> guinea pigs too
[15:49] <valentin> but remember - thin pieces only, otherwise it will start to molder in the cage
[15:49] <owl> ok O_o hmmm. well, i should try it, too. but where to get one in winter?
[15:49] <owl> yeah, i know... 
[15:49] <valentin> cucumber == salatgurke ? 
[15:49] <daja77> super market ...
[15:50] <owl> huh? in winter? O_o
[15:50] <valentin> daja77: there are super markets in winter ?
[15:50] <daja77> yes they are still growing in winter ;)
[15:50] <blindcoder> what? super markets are? :)
[15:50] <valentin> good old netherland grow houses
[15:50] <owl> O_o 
[15:51] <valentin> i'd like to plant a smal super marked too - anyone with experience ?
[15:51] <valentin> s/smal/small
[15:51] <daja77> hm a small one, so start growing an edeka or spar ^^
[15:52] <blindcoder> tend to it well and it'll grow into an EuroSpar :)
[15:52] <daja77> hehe or sb halle
[15:54] <owl> O_o
[15:54] <owl> well, i will grab food, too. now. 
[15:54] <owl> thx for the help... 
[15:54] <owl> cya
[15:57] <valentin> cu owl
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[17:27] <praenti> hi
[17:27] Action: praenti started his first powerpc build...
[17:59] <fake> nabend
[17:59] <th> hi fake
[17:59] <fake> ah, th
[17:59] <fake> th: the powerpc stable build hung after half a week while building mono
[18:00] <fake> i didn't have the time to investigate that yet
[18:00] <th> hmmmm i see
[18:00] <th> a build should not simply "hang"
[18:00] <fake> jup
[18:00] <th> strange
[18:01] <fake> ill have a look the next hours
[18:01] Action: fake just arrived
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[18:47] <[anders2]> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/18/poland_vote_against/
[18:48] <_Ragnar_> nice
[18:48] <_Ragnar_> glad to see that at least some people are not totally bought and sold to big business
[18:49] <[anders2]> _Ragnar_: amen
[18:52] <fake> http://www.sorryeverybody.com/
[18:52] <_Ragnar_> ;)
[19:00] <daja77> hi fake, how are you
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[19:29] <mnemoc> moin
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[19:41] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[19:49] <mnemoc> hi SerWou 
[19:52] <SerWou> hello mnemoc
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[20:45] <netrunner> anybody can tell me what language that is? "Determina si pone o no +x al loguearse"
[20:45] <mnemoc> spanish
[20:46] <netrunner> mnemoc: oh, that's what you speak?
[20:46] <mnemoc> yes :)
[20:46] Action: netrunner has an xchat plugin, but everything is spanish...
[20:46] <daja77> hehe
[20:47] <mnemoc> hehe
[20:47] <mnemoc> that was a "set +x on logon"
[20:48] <netrunner> mnemoc: yes, thx. Now I know the language I can try babelfish :)
[20:48] <mnemoc> =)
[20:48] <mnemoc> if babelfish doesn't help, ask me :)
[20:48] <daja77> babelmnemoc
[20:48] <netrunner> mnemoc: I could send you the tarball :)
[20:49] <mnemoc> uhm
[20:49] <netrunner> never mind, I think I can do it. it's no tthat mouch.
[21:03] <mnemoc> :)
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[21:14] <demian> hi
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[22:13] <owl> re
[22:14] <demian> hello owl :)
[22:15] <owl> hi demian 
[22:23] <treo> gn8
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[22:37] <netrunner> mnemoc: is there a better translation for muestra than 'sample'?
[22:37] <mnemoc> muestra=show or sample
[22:37] <netrunner> ah show is good :)
[22:37] <mnemoc> according to the context
[22:38] <mnemoc> =)
[22:38] <netrunner>  /xversion shows the version :)
[22:38] <mnemoc> sample the version :p
[22:38] <netrunner> well - sounded weird :)
[22:38] <mnemoc> absolutly
[22:58] <netrunner> now I still have to fix it. stupid crappy script-kiddie code.
[23:00] <mnemoc> why are you using it then?
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[23:04] <netrunner> mnemoc: oh well... I don't even want to. my gf is to lazy to always authenticate herself to the X bot on undernet ...
[23:05] <mnemoc> oh, under gf's commandment you shall rewrite it :p
[23:10] <mnemoc> OT: about c++. does the use of abstract classes was performance impact?
[23:14] <mnemoc> i mean, does late binding occur if parent class doesn't have any implementation?
[23:21] Action: daja77 representing rock @ UN tomorrow
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[23:21] <mnemoc> o_O
[23:22] <daja77> yeah its true
[23:22] <mnemoc> why?
[23:22] Action: netrunner bowing before daja77 
[23:22] <daja77> got an offer soem hours ago
[23:22] <mnemoc> an offer to "talk about rock"???
[23:23] <daja77> no
[23:23] <mnemoc> to vote? to what?
[23:23] <daja77> but speaking for opensource in general
[23:23] <mnemoc> wow
[23:23] <daja77> registered for rock project though
[23:24] <mnemoc> url? :p
[23:24] <mnemoc> OT: about c++. does the use of abstract classes was performance impact?
[23:25] <mnemoc> i mean, does late binding occur if parent class doesn't have any implementation?
[23:32] <valentin> mnemoc: abstract methods == call through function ptr
[23:32] <valentin> once you have an instance of your class, the pointer is known
[23:32] <valentin> has nothing to do with binding
[23:35] <mnemoc> to i have to prefix the methods somehow to get that behavior?
[23:35] <mnemoc> do*
[23:36] <valentin> use the virtual keyword (i'm not sure if that was your question)
[23:36] <valentin> like
[23:37] <valentin> virtual int GetInt () = 0
[23:37] <valentin> ;
[23:37] <mnemoc> that's the default return value?
[23:37] <valentin> no, "= 0" means: no implementation
[23:37] <mnemoc> oh
[23:37] <valentin> for default return value use
[23:37] <valentin> virtual int GetInt () { return 0; }
[23:38] <mnemoc> :p
[23:38] <valentin> in C you would do a
[23:38] <valentin> int (*GetInt) ()
[23:38] <valentin> and set this ptr to different functions
[23:40] <mnemoc> i thought virtual forced method 'searching' on every call
[23:41] <mnemoc> void* GetInt=&Foo  ?
[23:42] <valentin> hm ?
[23:42] <mnemoc> int (*GetInt) () <--- how do i declare that var?
[23:42] <valentin> int functionA () { .... }
[23:43] <valentin> int functionB () { .... }
[23:43] <valentin> GetInt = functionA // no brackets !
[23:43] <valentin> then call with
[23:43] <valentin> GetInt()
[23:43] <valentin> and functionA is called
[23:43] <mnemoc> what's the data type of GetInt?
[23:43] <valentin> the data type is
[23:44] <valentin> int (*) ()
[23:44] <mnemoc> o_O
[23:44] <mnemoc> i'll have to trust :p
[23:44] <valentin> that means "pointer to a function returning int"
[23:44] <valentin> if that function takes arguments, it would be
[23:44] <valentin> int (*) (int, doule, char) 
[23:45] <valentin> the notation with the brackets is necessary, otherwise it would be confused with int*
[23:46] <mnemoc> ic
[23:46] <valentin> using c++ and classes you would of course use the virtual method thing
[23:47] Action: mnemoc have to re-learn c/c++ and re-learn gdb :p
[23:47] <valentin> gdb on C++ sucks very often
[23:47] <mnemoc> outch
[23:47] Action: netrunner fighting with c here ...
[23:47] <valentin> esp when using much templates
[23:48] <valentin> many
[23:48] <netrunner> if( word[4] == "1" && X_SPOOF == "1" )     fails, but word[4] contains "1" and X_SPOOF is also "1".
[23:48] <demian> what frontend for gdb is cool? always use it from cmd to debug small code (asm), never C.
[23:49] <valentin> netrunner: you mean word[4] == '1' i guess
[23:49] <valentin> char != char*
[23:49] <demian> what type is word[]?
[23:49] <netrunner> hm. afaics word is a      char *word[] .. an array of char*s...
[23:50] <valentin> ok, then use
[23:50] <valentin> strcmp(word[4], "1") == 0
[23:50] <netrunner> okili.
[23:50] <valentin> the same for X_SPOOF
[23:51] <demian> fmy, is there a typed class in C++ to manage strings? like String in java or c# ?
[23:51] <valentin> std::string
[23:51] <valentin> defined in #include <string>
[23:52] <demian> k
[23:52] <valentin> 23:47 < netrunner> if( word[4] == "1" && X_SPOOF == "1" )     fails, but word[4] contains "1" and X_SPOOF is also "1".
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[23:52] <valentin> damn 
[23:53] <valentin> sorry, did not want to paste that
[23:53] <valentin> copied the '\n' by accident
[23:54] Action: netrunner feeling quoted :)
[23:54] <netrunner> wonderful, now it cores.
[23:54] <valentin> if( !( strcmp(word[4], "1") || strcmp(X_SPOOF, "1") ) )
[23:54] <valentin> that is what i wanted to sa
[23:54] <valentin> y
[23:55] <valentin> netrunner: /me pasting all your writing into my secret book *g*
[23:56] <valentin> what does core ?
[23:57] <netrunner> hm ... almost working.  there was a [] missing...
[23:59] <mnemoc> valentin: can i send a _class_ as argument? to 'register' them and instanciate some of the registered classes about some logic?
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