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[08:17] <blindcoder> moin
[08:32] <netrunner> moin blindy
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[09:43] <netrunner> oh captain my captain
[09:44] <blindcoder> 
[09:46] <netrunner> blindcoder: oh, you invented umlauts? *bow*
[10:01] <Captain> howdy
[10:03] <Captain> say maybe you can answer a question:  I've been looking at rocklinux for my aging 750ppc imac, I know that u guys offer a ppc desktop version optimized for hte same processor, and I know that installing from scratch offers no installer, but does the ppc desktop offer an installer?
[10:06] <daja77> yes it does offer an installer, but i don't know if your hw is supported
[10:07] <Captain> why?
[10:07] <Captain> hold I'll check
[10:07] <daja77> why I don't know it?
[10:07] <Captain> thouht u meant something else
[10:07] <daja77> ask fake
[10:09] <Captain> It's been while since Ive read about your guy's "distro" but everything is compiled such as in gentoo right?
[10:10] <Captain> "However I optimized the first CDs explicitely for a PowerPC 750"
[10:10] <daja77> no not really, but sorry have no time to explain at,
[10:11] <daja77> well then have fun
[10:26] <netrunner> yes, gott an apointment to check out the car I want ...
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[12:23] <netrunner> anybody here wize with ruby?
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[12:45] <nullslack> Hello...
[12:46] <netrunner> this must be the o from hell?
[12:47] <nullslack> ???
[12:48] <nullslack> what's a generic rock linux?
[12:48] <blindcoder> o?
[12:48] <nullslack> blindcoder, yes
[12:48] <blindcoder> nullslack: it's a one-size-fits-all distribution
[12:48] <blindcoder> it has literally everything
[12:48] <netrunner> hell-o
[12:49] <nullslack> netrunner, oh...damn me ;)
[12:49] <blindcoder> oh, a word play
[12:49] <netrunner> :)
[12:49] <nullslack> blindcoder, from net to desktop apps?
[12:50] <netrunner> nullslack: the generic target simply builds all packages rocklinux knows about.
[12:50] <netrunner> nullslack: you end up with ~5 mtas, several desktops ...
[12:50] <blindcoder> nullslack: three SQL-databases
[12:51] <blindcoder> literally _everything_
[12:51] <blindcoder> if you want a one-solution-for-one-problem thing, try Crystal
[12:51] <owl> re
[12:51] <owl> nullslack? O_o 
[12:51] <nullslack> ic...what if i just wanted to create a minimal base set with devel tools, how should i go about it?
[12:52] <nullslack> blindcoder, Crystal?
[12:52] <nullslack> owl, hey!
[12:52] <blindcoder> nullslack: it already exists and is called build-boot-strap and contains just enough to build ROCK
[12:52] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[12:52] <blindcoder> nullslack: Crystal: http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/unofficial/blindcoder/crystal/ ; try the upper one, the lower one is broken
[12:53] <blindcoder> nullslack: build-boot-strap: http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/stable/2.0.3/buildbootstrap/
[12:53] <owl> god, i'm hating asus :(
[12:53] <blindcoder> owl: still?
[12:53] <owl> blindcoder: again... 
[12:54] <owl> yesterday they told me, that the notebook will be exchanged, today they told me that it will not be exchanged, but maybe it will be exchanged if everything is burned inside etc. 
[12:54] <blindcoder> owl: well, that's probably the case so hold your hopes up
[12:55] <owl> (well i guess if the temp of a NB is running from 49  C, to > 90 C in 30 seconds that should give you the hint, that something really wreid happened!)
[12:55] <owl> blindcoder: yeah. and: i was at "amtsgericht" today... got my "beratungsschein" and will have a talk to an lawyer on monday evening *vbeg*
[12:55] <nullslack> blindcoder, so it's a bootable cd wherein i can install into an empty partition and then use it to build my own distribution?
[12:56] <blindcoder> nullslack: ack, that's build-boot-strap
[12:56] <blindcoder> owl: good luck :)
[12:57] <owl> blindcoder: thx. will need it... 
[12:57] <owl> well, would you sell it at ebay? and if yes, which price?
[12:58] <nullslack> blindcoder, yup...i'm talking about bbs...am i right?
[13:00] <blindcoder> nullslack: yes, you are
[13:00] <blindcoder> owl: sell? what?
[13:00] <nullslack> ...and Crystal is, for example, i want to build just a webserver with the minimum set of packages installed...no unneeded packages just plain web server?
[13:00] <owl> blindcoder: selling a notebook with: 
[13:00] <owl> - herstellergarantie
[13:01] <owl> - p4 mobile 1,8 ghz
[13:01] <blindcoder> nullslack: crystal is also with KDE, DVD-player and tons of other things
[13:01] <owl> - 512 mb ram
[13:01] <owl> - 40 GB HD
[13:01] <owl> - CD/DVD-Combo
[13:01] <owl> - firewire,ps/2,irda,usb(2x),vga,svideo,parallel,seriell
[13:01] <blindcoder> nullslack: if you want a small webserver I'd recommend installing a minimal system and then installing the necessary patches or creating a new target or builing upon the server target
[13:01] <owl> - floppy-lw
[13:02] <blindcoder> owl: I paid 1800 for a notebook like that a year ago
[13:02] <blindcoder> owl: no more than 1000 EUR. probably less
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[13:02] <owl> blindcoder: omfg. thats bad news
[13:02] <nullslack> blindcoder, yeah...that's what i'm looking for...but how?
[13:03] <blindcoder> nullslack: query
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[13:19] <netrunner> cool. now I have a second desktop on my vga out
[13:19] <blindcoder> second desktop?
[13:20] <netrunner> like xinerama but not connected.
[13:20] <netrunner> not really at least.
[13:20] <blindcoder> ah, I know what you mean
[13:21] <blindcoder> :0 on first opu and :1 on second out
[13:21] <netrunner> :0.0 and :0.1
[13:22] <blindcoder> or so
[13:22] <netrunner> but I cannot play NWN on the external.
[13:22] <blindcoder> been a while since I last did that
[13:45] <netrunner> hm, this  tar $taropt $base/download/mirror/X/XFree86-*.tar.bz2 is not realy good ...
[13:46] <blindcoder> why?
[13:47] <netrunner> blindcoder: never had multiple versions of X lying around in your download dir?
[13:48] <blindcoder> no, because I always run -list-unknown | xargs rm -f
[13:53] <netrunner> hm. the xorg download dir has gone.
[13:54] <netrunner> this xorg wiki is really really crappy. 
[13:55] <nullslack> anyone knows of a lightweight X replacement?
[13:56] <netrunner> nullslack: http://freshmeat.net/projects/twin/
[13:56] <nullslack> netrunner, thnx...i'll check them out
[13:56] <netrunner> have fun :)
[13:57] <blindcoder> well... that's _very_ lightweight :)
[13:57] <netrunner> blindcoder: it matches the requirements, no? :)
[13:57] <blindcoder> even more than the ASCII Art X-Server I used to run on my first CCC :)
[13:59] <nullslack> ;( textmode wm ... i need a real X replacement
[14:00] <netrunner> nullslack: you should be more specific. x can be built lightweight, or it wouldn't be used in embedded devices.
[14:01] <nullslack> netrunner, guess i'll have to build a lightweight X on rock...possible? easy?
[14:02] <netrunner> possible? yes. easy? depends :)
[14:03] <netrunner> I don't know how they make it leight, probably removing lots of drivers and features. you can do that, if you know what you need :)
[14:04] <nullslack> in ./configure?
[14:05] <netrunner> iirc X is configured via some central include file.
[14:06] <daja77> *gna*
[14:06] <daja77> svn: Unsupported RA plugin ABI version (2) for ra_dav.
[14:08] Action: nullslack is downloading rock-bbs right now ;)
[14:12] <th> daja77: there is propably an old svn version lingering around (perhaps in apache prefix)
[14:12] <daja77> nope old neon version
[14:12] <daja77> and the project page is down >_<
[14:12] <nullslack> ter
[14:13] <netrunner> gngn, why does this vnc think it needs to rebuild a complete xorg? :/
[14:20] <blindcoder> oh shit
[14:21] <blindcoder> got a speeding ticket :(
[14:23] <daja77> speedycoder
[14:23] <blindcoder> yeah
[14:23] <blindcoder> 26km/h too fast
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[14:26] <doug> anyone want to make a quick $20 (paypal or check) for getting my usb keyboard working (under slackware)?
[14:27] <blindcoder> sorry, know next to nothing about slack
[14:28] <daja77> well load the driver or compile it in when it is missing
[14:28] <netrunner> doug: tried to plug it in?
[14:29] <netrunner> blindcoder: at which speed?
[14:30] <blindcoder> netrunner: 131 measured, minus a few %, 126 where 100 allowed
[14:30] <blindcoder> I probably missed the 100 sign
[14:31] <blindcoder> Neufahrn Richtung Muenchen
[14:31] <netrunner> ah, that's the sign bridge :)
[14:31] <blindcoder> sign bridge?
[14:31] <doug> yeah, pluged it in..
[14:32] <doug> works in bios, just not whn booted.
[14:32] <daja77> that makes 1 point and 40 euro iirc
[14:32] <blindcoder> daja77: 3 points and 50 EUR plus "Verwaltungsgebuehr"
[14:32] <daja77> doug: than you have a kernel that does not support usb hid devices
[14:32] <daja77> blindcoder: 3? damn
[14:33] <netrunner> doug: do you have the usb devices as modules or inside the kernel?
[14:33] <th> netrunner: i'm just figuring that out
[14:34] <netrunner> th: ah ok :)
[14:35] <owl> blindcoder: wtf? how fast did you drive? and where?
[14:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: what sign bridge?
[14:35] <th> owl: "131 measured, minus a few %, 126 where 100 allowed" at "Neufahrn Richtung Muenchen"
[14:35] <netrunner> blindcoder: schilderbruecke
[14:35] <th> owl: he just told that
[14:35] <blindcoder> netrunner: oh, that thing
[14:35] <owl> aaaaaargh. i should wear my glasses. sorry
[14:38] <daja77> *aaaargh*
[14:38] <daja77> does someone has neon-0.24.7 lying around somewhere for download?
[14:38] <th> daja77: all our rock mirrors
[14:39] <th> daja77: second..
[14:39] <daja77> i only found a 0.24.6 on the mirror
[14:40] <th> out of sync
[14:40] <th> it's on the master
[14:40] <netrunner> what's wrong with the synching?
[14:40] <th> dunno
[14:40] <doug> ok, th is trying to fix my problem...
[14:41] <daja77> which one is the master?
[14:41] <netrunner> daja77: call me master :)
[14:41] <daja77> i can call you al :p
[14:41] <doug> if he fails, i'll come back looking for more help.
[14:42] <daja77> O_o
[14:42] <daja77> if he fails, there is not much to be done ...
[14:42] <doug> you have that much faith in th?
[14:43] <daja77> sure
[14:44] <daja77> th: k. got it now, thx
[14:45] <mnemoc> moin
[14:46] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
[14:46] <mnemoc> hi daja77 
[14:50] <netrunner> hi mnemoc 
[14:53] <mnemoc> hi netrunner 
[15:04] <daja77> *sigh* new svn is working now
[15:06] <daja77> so it is quite likely to get a sane sm repo again ;)
[15:09] <owl> 9~-         9~-9@
[15:11] <daja77> tell me more ;)
[15:13] <owl> grunz. "WOC" has been discovered. wake up on crash
[15:14] Action: daja77 hating linux24 io performance
[15:14] Action: mnemoc hating linux26 source stabiliry
[15:14] <owl> why? is it that bad?
[15:14] <daja77> ack mnemoc 
[15:18] <owl> afk. having another sleeping process running at self. *yawn* gn8
[17:13] <daja77> fake: ?
[17:21] <fake> here
[17:21] <fake> moin
[17:22] <fake> daja77: wzaaup?
[17:22] <daja77> well it is all settled
[17:23] <daja77> your imagemagick update pointed to a beta release
[17:23] <daja77> and the downlaod url was not working
[17:24] <daja77> clifford sent an update patch for the latest stable some minutes ago
[17:24] <fake> ah
[17:24] <fake> really
[17:25] <fake> i though 6.1.5-6 is beta...
[17:25] <fake> *thought
[17:25] <daja77> perhaps it was when you sent your patch
[17:25] <fake> Distribution Type
[17:25] <fake>  
[17:25] <fake> Stable
[17:25] <fake>  
[17:25] <fake> Beta
[17:25] <fake>  
[17:25] <fake> Unix Source
[17:25] <fake>  
[17:25] <fake> 6.1.5-6
[17:25] <fake>  
[17:25] <fake> 6.1.5-7
[17:25] <fake> argh
[17:25] <fake> Stable=6.1.5-6
[17:25] <daja77> yep
[17:25] <fake> Beta=6.1.5-7
[17:26] <daja77> you sent a patch for -7
[17:26] <fake> nooo
[17:26] <fake> (i wasn't that stoned, was i?)
[17:26] <daja77> ...
[17:28] <fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004112517422015592
[17:28] <fake> 6.1.5-5
[17:28] <fake> even
[17:29] <daja77> hm anyway somehow i got a -7 update via submaster
[17:31] <fake> 6.1.3-7
[17:31] <fake> maybe?
[17:31] <daja77> yes that one
[17:31] <daja77> hm have i already mentioned that i hate that package anyway ...
[17:31] <fake> that was netrunner's fault ;)
[17:32] <daja77> oh sorry
[17:32] Action: fake very satisfied with amule
[17:33] <mnemoc> fake: xwW?
[17:33] <fake> huh?
[17:33] Action: fake just got up
[17:34] <blindcoder> back
[17:34] <mnemoc> fake: how did your wxWidgets update went?
[17:35] <fake> mnemoc: it's in submaster. it currently fails in the ref. build because it's built before gtk+
[17:35] <fake> mnemoc: but besides that, it looks good
[17:35] <mnemoc> prio is an easy fix :)
[17:36] <daja77> .oO (I hope this gcc thing is not only temporarily)
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[17:38] <jen_> hi geeks.
[17:38] <jen_> someone skilled with wlan?
[17:40] <blindcoder> a bit
[17:40] Nick change: jen_ -> demian
[17:40] <demian> hi blindy
[17:40] <blindcoder> hi demian 
[17:40] <demian> i got some troubles to get connected to the access point.
[17:40] <demian> and my wlan appears as eth1!
[17:41] <demian> :s
[17:41] <mnemoc> o_O
[17:41] <daja77> ah that one
[17:41] <blindcoder> yes, that's about right
[17:41] <daja77> ipw driver iirc
[17:41] <blindcoder> most wlan drivers register as ethx
[17:41] <mnemoc> yes?
[17:41] <blindcoder> well, most of what I've seen :)
[17:42] <demian> really?
[17:42] <blindcoder> yes
[17:42] <blindcoder> some have a parameter, some don't
[17:42] <demian> i shouldn't be wthX?
[17:42] <blindcoder> I patched it to be wlanX
[17:44] <demian> so no prob at least with that? that it appears as a ethX?
[17:45] <blindcoder> no
[17:46] <blindcoder> in fact, there are some (stupid) dockapps that will only register it if it shows as eth
[17:46] <blindcoder> icewm, for example
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[17:49] <demian> blindcoder: i cant connect to the AP via wireless.. i am new at this and maybe i am not using the proper driver.
[17:49] <mnemoc> iwlist $IF scan
[17:49] <demian> da u think u could help me a bit trying to find a stable driver or whatever  to make it work
[17:49] <mnemoc> iwconfig $IF essid "cell_name"
[17:50] <mnemoc> iwconfig $IF mode Master
[17:50] <mnemoc> blah blah blah
[17:50] <blindcoder> mnemoc: other way
[17:50] <mnemoc> blindcoder: teach me :)
[17:50] <treo> sali
[17:50] <blindcoder> iwconfig $IF mode Managed
[17:51] <blindcoder> iwconfig $IF essid "bla"
[17:51] <mnemoc> s/Master/Managed/ sorry
[17:51] <blindcoder> iwconfig $IF enc AAAA-BBBB-CCCC-DDDD-EEEE-FFFF-0000-11
[17:51] <blindcoder> ifconfig $IF ...
[17:51] <blindcoder> that's how I do it and how it works for me
[17:54] <netrunner> how can two files be identical but have different cksums?
[17:54] <fake> daja77: you may need to add -std-vga ...
[17:56] <blindcoder> netrunner: cksum or md5sum?
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[17:58] <netrunner> blindcoder: our cksum 
[17:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: unzip, diff -u
[18:09] <netrunner> I did a diff -ruN as usual, showed nothing. but the cksum changed.
[18:11] <blindcoder> weird
[18:14] <mnemoc> a permission
[18:14] <mnemoc> an owner
[18:17] <netrunner> hm ok
[18:21] <mnemoc> it wasn't an stupid comment :(
[18:21] <mnemoc> or was it?
[18:22] <mnemoc> my brain is not working 
[18:23] <fake> praenti: around?
[18:24] Action: fake has ppc and sparc crystal's ready
[18:24] <blindcoder> sweet
[18:25] <mnemoc> :(
[18:25] <blindcoder> fake: can you put them online on iso.rocklinux.de and send a short mail?
[18:25] <fake> blindcoder: no
[18:25] <blindcoder> fake: then I can put it into next newsflash
[18:25] <blindcoder> :(
[18:25] <fake> there are still some issues i'd like to address
[18:25] <fake> for example, in the current bootdisk /mnt/target isnt unmounted correctly before rebooting
[18:27] <fake> on sparcm dhclient BusErrors
[18:27] <fake> -n
[18:27] <fake> +n -m
[18:27] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[18:29] <blindcoder> sad :(
[18:29] <SerWou> hello blindcoder
[18:30] <blindcoder> hi SerWou 
[18:30] <SerWou> what's up dude ?
[18:32] <blindcoder> my stocks aren't :(
[18:38] <mnemoc> join #qemu
[18:38] <mnemoc> err
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[18:59] <mnemoc> how do i add a breakpoint to a class method on gdb?
[18:59] <fake> hum...
[19:00] Action: fake just noticed he never debugged C++ code with gdb
[19:00] <mnemoc> =)
[19:00] <mnemoc> me neither :\
[19:01] <fake> i'd list the code and use the line number, maybe... ?
[19:01] <mnemoc> break Class::Method seem to work :)
[19:01] <mnemoc> i'll try that too
[19:06] <mnemoc> line number work inside classes too, i'm happier now :D
[19:08] <fake> sw33t
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[21:36] <fake> hi nzg
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[22:52] <madtux> hello.
[22:54] <daja77> hi madtux 
[22:54] <madtux> hallo daja77  :)
[23:01] <mnemoc> madtux!
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[23:07] <owl> hi
[23:17] <Captain> fake u there?
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[23:40] <fake> Captain: yes
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