[00:17] <mnemoc> logger?
[00:25] <fake> surw
[00:25] <fake> *sure
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[07:56] <blindcoder> moin
[08:06] Action: fake playing with the wiki
[08:07] <blindcoder> I'm happy to see people using it :)
[08:08] <fake> i'm pretty annoyed right no
[08:08] <fake> *now
[08:08] <blindcoder> why?
[08:09] <fake> i want to add a 2-line output of shell code
[08:09] <blindcoder> {{{
[08:09] <blindcoder> shell
[08:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[08:09] <blindcoder> }}}
[08:09] <fake> aaah.
[08:09] <fake> i always tried 
[08:09] <fake> {{{ shell
[08:09] <fake> shell }}}
[08:09] <fake> thanks!
[08:09] <blindcoder> yes, I stumbled over that, too :(
[08:11] Action: blindcoder adding this information to the textformatting page on subwikis wiki
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[08:26] <blindcoder> hehe, sourcediving revealed how to mark a WikiWord as not being a WikiWord :D
[08:26] <blindcoder> just put a ! in form: !CamelCase
[08:42] <netrunner> moin
[08:43] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[08:43] Action: netrunner baking apples
[08:45] Action: fake going to bed
[08:47] <blindcoder> good night :)
[08:47] <blindcoder> netrunner: what for?
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[10:36] <netrunner> blindcoder: 12/1 ... the door of my oven is the first door :)
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[10:39] <esden> hi ho everyone
[10:40] <netrunner> moin esdo
[10:40] <esden> hi runno
[10:40] Action: netrunner was surprised today to find a presentation desk of his company @uni
[10:41] <esden> and what is so surprising with that?
[10:42] <netrunner> esden: usually I know this before :)
[10:46] <esden> Are you so importaint that they have to inform you?
[10:46] <netrunner> I know the people that know :)
[10:49] <daja77> ha! your contacts are weak
[10:49] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[10:49] <blindcoder> netrunner: I see :)
[11:05] <esden> hi daja77, blindcoder
[11:05] <daja77> hi esden 
[11:07] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^shopping
[11:08] Action: blindcoder inserting a "Howto create packages" site to the ROCKDoc Wiki
[11:16] <blindcoder> okay, basic package creation done :)
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[11:37] <owl> hi
[11:37] <blindcoder> moin owl
[11:38] <owl> hi blindcoder 
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[14:07] <th_> blindcoder: do you consider merging libcdk to stable useful?
[14:09] <mnemoc> moin
[14:10] <blindcoder> th_: there's not much to merge, just put the directory there, nothing 2.1 specifig is in there
[14:10] <th_> blindcoder: so your answer is "yes"?
[14:10] <blindcoder> th_: yes :)
[14:10] <th_> blindcoder: ok.
[14:10] <th_> put it into the refbuild.
[14:11] <th_> i'm open for other update/merge suggestions
[14:11] <daja77> kernel?
[14:11] <blindcoder> th_: just don't forget to also merge the licq/* files
[14:11] <th_> daja77: great point. would you send an update-patch? ;-p
[14:12] <daja77> i knew it damn ;)
[14:12] <th_> i'd love to have 2.6.9 in stable but i fear the hassle with kernel includes
[14:13] <blindcoder> actually, I wouldn't recommend switching from 2.4 to 2.6 in stable
[14:13] <th_> blindcoder: i did not imply that
[14:13] <blindcoder> th_: then I misunderstood you :)
[14:13] <th_> blindcoder: and i'd never consider this.
[14:13] <daja77> ah bittorrent, i will try that for the 2.0.3 isos
[14:13] <th_> blindcoder: i was just talking of the linux26 package
[14:14] <blindcoder> th_: I see, okay
[14:15] <blindcoder> daja77: the server is down
[14:15] <daja77> ah :(
[14:15] <blindcoder> daja77: as noted on the Getting page
[14:15] <blindcoder> since I was the only seed :(
[14:16] <daja77> I'd even have tested that java client ;)
[14:17] <blindcoder> java client?
[14:17] <daja77> yes there is one gui client in java
[14:18] <daja77> is that crystal emu thibg bootable?
[14:18] <blindcoder> I see
[14:18] <daja77> th_: bash update
[14:19] <th_> daja77: standard bootdisk target included.
[14:20] <th_> daja77: not talking of version 3?
[14:20] <daja77> i did, have not noticed any difficulties with that
[14:21] <th_> daja77: perhaps you could start a discussion on the ML about it first?
[14:21] <th_> daja77: but i always prefer the rescue target to boot.
[14:22] <daja77> oh it does not
[14:22] <daja77> *sigh* discussions on ml are not focused and dying fast :(
[14:22] <th_> hmmm
[14:23] <blindcoder> indeed
[14:23] <th_> daja77: but i'd love to give others a chance of crying out before updating it.
[14:23] <daja77> I asked three questions in my mail, the only discussion was about  the video player, which everybody wanted to have his favourite ...
[14:23] <daja77> hehe
[14:24] <blindcoder> daja77: actually, I wanted xine but personal favorite is mplayer :P
[14:24] <daja77> yeah i think i'll just send the patches next time, so we will have discussion
[14:24] <daja77> blindcoder: apart from you and me blindy ;)
[14:24] <blindcoder> daja77: that's also what I wrote in Newsflash: "Because personal favorites play quite a role in this discussion, a decision satisfying everyone is not expected."
[14:24] <th_> daja77: so here is the plan: you propose bash update on ML; i'll answer to do it if no one objects 
[14:25] <daja77> ok will mail tonight
[14:25] <blindcoder> I wanted to write "a decision probably won't be made until 21C3 when clifford just does what he wants"
[14:25] <blindcoder> but that would have been too harsh :)
[14:25] <daja77> well if the discussion would be focused it wouldn't be a problem
[14:25] <th_> daja77: did you mean bbs with "oh it does not"?
[14:26] <daja77> btw i still see some lacks in the crystal conception, will write about that too
[14:26] <blindcoder> daja77: well, without someone who actually _makes_ the decision it's hard to have a real discussion
[14:26] <daja77> perhaps it is not made clear precisely what crystal is all about
[14:26] <daja77> th_: hm?
[14:27] <th_> daja77: 14:21:51 < daja77> oh it does not
[14:27] <th_> daja77: what did you mean by that?
[14:28] <daja77> that the rescue target is booting
[14:28] Action: blindcoder back to work
[14:28] <blindcoder> bbl
[14:28] <th_> daja77: you meant "the rescue target is booting" by "oh it does not"? i'm confused now.
[14:29] <daja77> you said you want to have it booting, and i was wondering if it does not with bash3 ...
[14:29] <th_> i said what?
[14:30] <th_> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[14:30] <daja77> ;)
[14:30] <th_> "i always prefer the rescue target to boot" you missunderstood this one.
[14:30] <th_> put it another way: "i prefer to use the rescue target if i have to boot something"
[14:31] <daja77> hm
[14:31] <daja77> i prefer to boot and install from one cd
[14:31] <th_> you can use the bbs cd
[14:31] <th_> it does boot with bootdisk target
[14:31] <th_> but i setup a rescue cd for me that contains the bbs gem-files.
[14:31] <th_> and i install them with mine directly
[14:32] <th_> no crappy installer.
[14:32] <daja77> ic
[14:32] <daja77> did that with crystal, a wrking installer would be nice ;)
[14:32] <th_> the current installer is real crap
[14:33] <th_> i'd hack on that on c3 if someone joins me.
[14:34] <daja77> you'll be there?
[14:39] <th_> yes
[14:41] <daja77> cool
[14:41] Action: daja77 'll be there, if i find a place to stay somewhere
[14:44] <th_> blindcoder: do you know where http://www.rocklinux.net/ get's it's "ROCK Linux news" from? it still anounces 2.0.2
[14:47] <owl> bye, bye
[14:47] <mnemoc> i think you should ask clifford for a typo3 account
[14:47] <mnemoc> bye owl 
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[15:28] <blindcoder> th_: no idea, sorry.
[15:28] <blindcoder> th_: I only have access to typo3
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[15:53] <madtux> hello
[15:53] <mnemoc> hullo madmax
[15:53] <blindcoder> moin madtux 
[15:54] <madtux> moin mein freund :), Wie gehts?
[15:55] <blindcoder> quite well, thanks
[15:55] <madtux> good :)
[15:56] <blindcoder> how about you?
[15:59] <madtux> i'm great thanks for asking :)
[16:01] <blindcoder> good, then you can put some information into ROCKDoc :)
[16:02] <madtux> ROCKDoc..?
[16:03] <madtux> i've been away for a while enlighten me
[16:03] <mnemoc> a wiki
[16:03] <madtux> show me the way
[16:03] <madtux> :)
[16:04] <mnemoc> his idea i to replace the 'abandoned and poor handbook' with it
[16:05] <mnemoc> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/
[16:07] <madtux> well i've heard many new rock users asking of ra more step by step document that can guide them all way in
[16:07] <madtux> and complaining that neither the handbook or the ROCK Guide on its times were good enough
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[16:08] <treo> hi
[16:08] <madtux> based on that i do believe there is a need to make a dump proof guide / handbook / thing that can be of much better guidence for the new people comming around.. and do consider the questions of the people than come in and ask
[16:08] <madtux> as this doubs come often after they were unable to find the answers on our documentation
[16:08] <mnemoc> a wiki is what their user want to make it
[16:09] <mnemoc> users*
[16:09] <blindcoder> madtux: well, since we can't continue using the Handbook due to the license (IIRC) and many people wanting a wiki I set one up that uses a subversion repository as backend
[16:09] <madtux> having said that... count me in for the ROCKDoc
[16:09] <mnemoc> blindcoder: are you sure you can't fork it?
[16:09] <blindcoder> great :-)
[16:09] <blindcoder> mnemoc: quite
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[16:11] <blindcoder> To prohibit any publication of this work or derivative works in whole or in part in standard (paper) book form for commercial purposes is prohibited unless prior permission is obtained from the copyright holder. 
[16:13] <mnemoc> "for commercial purposes"
[16:13] <blindcoder> "or in part in standard (paper) book form"
[16:13] <blindcoder> meaning we may not even print it
[16:14] <blindcoder> but personally I don't like to have a documentation without us all having all rights to it
[16:14] <mnemoc> of course you can print it, but you can sell those prints
[16:14] <mnemoc> that's a good point
[16:14] <blindcoder> having said that I'm unsure what to do with ROCKDoc. Public Domain?
[16:15] <mnemoc> ack
[16:15] <daja77> blindcoder: what about creative commons license
[16:16] <madtux> GPL
[16:16] <daja77> madtux: this is content, no software
[16:16] <madtux> cc then
[16:16] <madtux> :)
[16:17] <daja77> :)
[16:17] <blindcoder> daja77: have a link or something?
[16:17] <blindcoder> I don't know much about the cc license
[16:17] <daja77> http://creativecommons.org/ :D
[16:17] <madtux> :)
[16:18] <blindcoder> d'oh
[16:18] <blindcoder> thanks
[16:19] <blindcoder> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/
[16:20] <daja77> nice
[16:26] Action: blindcoder going home
[16:26] <blindcoder> bbl
[16:26] <madtux> aight.
[17:20] <blindcoder> back
[17:24] <madtux> wb
[17:27] <blindcoder> thx
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[18:27] <blindcoder> :)
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[18:37] <hannes_> hi
[18:37] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ 
[18:39] <hannes_> hi blindcoder 
[18:50] <fake> how can i add newlines in the subwiki?
[18:50] <blindcoder> two linebreaks
[18:51] <fake> i don't want to insert an empty line
[18:51] <fake> i just want to break a line at a specific point
[18:53] <blindcoder> I'm afraid that's not possible right now
[18:53] <fake> okay
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[19:56] <owl> hi
[19:59] <blindcoder> moin owl
[19:59] <owl> hi blindy
[20:08] <netrunner> th_: rocklinux.net still shows 2.0.2 ...
[20:08] <th_> netrunner: see what i said at 14:43:33
[20:11] <blindcoder> WEE, I beat mnemoc at idlerpg :D
[20:12] <mnemoc> ~:(
[20:12] <owl> idlerpg?
[20:13] <blindcoder> yes :)
[20:13] <blindcoder> mnemoc: let me be :) I've only won a single fight yet
[20:14] <owl> blindcoder: where? 
[20:14] <blindcoder> owl: #idlerpg
[20:14] <mnemoc> 2hehe
[20:15] <blindcoder> mnemoc: I even lost in all teambattles 
[20:15] <mnemoc> that happens often :)
[20:15] <blindcoder> well, that may also be because I just recently found a weapon :)
[20:16] <blindcoder> at level 37 or 38
[20:16] <tcr> blindcoder, If you want to license something of which others have contributed content, you need an *explicit affirmation* that they grant your license attempt.
[20:16] <mnemoc> today i was kissed by drwiii!
[20:17] <mnemoc> now idea what it is but acelerated me 8 hours
[20:17] <blindcoder> fake: are you alright with licensing the text in ROCKDoc with http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0 ?
[20:18] Nick change: th_ -> th
[20:18] <tcr> blindcoder, Heh. I don't think irc logs counts legally as anything :)
[20:19] <blindcoder> tcr: neither do emails
[20:19] <tcr> Well, don't know what law says if they're digitally signatured.
[20:19] <fake> blindcoder: IANAL
[20:19] <blindcoder> tcr: also, I just know that fake contributed to it because he said so here on IRC. Otherwise there would be no trace at all *shrug*
[20:19] <blindcoder> fake: me neither
[20:20] <blindcoder> fake: just say yes and everythings fine or say no and the ROCKDoc will stay without a license (probably)
[20:20] <fake> "The patent on the conceopt of patents has been granted to..."
[20:20] <tcr> blindcoder, Uh? Wikis keep track on who's doing what. (storing some ip address, which is, in effect, mostly useless after the expire of some months)
[20:20] <fake> no
[20:20] <fake> *g*
[20:21] <blindcoder> tcr: only if you put your name on it.
[20:21] <blindcoder> fake: okay *shrug*
[20:21] <fake> nah, do what you want
[20:21] <fake> i don't care about fucking licenses ;)
[20:21] <tcr> blindcoder, No, ips are stored always.
[20:21] Action: blindcoder rummaging through his apache log
[20:21] <tcr> At the very least in the logs of the httpd ;)
[20:21] <blindcoder> yeah, there are ip-adresses somewhere :)
[20:22] <blindcoder> fake: thanks :-)
[20:22] <tcr> You should keep care on that the license information is unchangable and seeable everywhere.
[20:23] <blindcoder> that shouldn't be a big problem
[20:23] <blindcoder> I can add the information to the layout
[20:23] <blindcoder> which can be, but is not stored within the subversion repository
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[20:24] <netrunner> damn, this car would cost me 1,2 keur insurance, a third of what I paid :/
[20:24] <tcr> Maybe you should look for spam prevention right from the beginning, also.
[20:25] <blindcoder> tcr: how so?
[20:28] <tcr> blindcoder, Well, IIRC there some blacklists against wiki spammers available which are daily updated.
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[20:31] <owl> gnarf. re
[20:31] <blindcoder> tcr: I'll have a look
[21:02] Action: blindcoder off to bed for today
[21:02] <blindcoder> bye
[21:03] <mnemoc> tcr: what is bazaar?
[21:06] <tcr> mnemoc, user-orientated, benign fork of tla by canonical, inc. AFAIK. Don't ask me, I've not been reading g-a-u since a month or more.
[21:08] <mnemoc> canonical=ubuntu=
[21:08] <mnemoc> ?
[21:09] <daja77> oh my, all that debian clones
[21:15] <tcr> mnemoc, canonical is a FLOSS corporation. They stand behin ubuntu, yes.
[21:17] <mnemoc> tcr: have you tryed it?
[21:17] <mnemoc> it=bazaar
[21:19] <tcr> No, I just know about it from hearsay. As said, I haven't cared for gau for an incredibly long time (2200 unread messages in the folder).
[21:20] <mnemoc> i have 2203 :)
[21:22] <tcr> I sink in awe.
[21:23] <mnemoc> uhm?
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[22:36] <owl> re
[22:43] <hannes_> hi owl, SteffenP 
[22:46] <fake> hi hannes_
[22:46] <fake> hannes_: i'm in the mood to update openvpn once again
[22:46] <fake> hannes_: maybe you wanna join alongside the updates? ;)
[22:51] <hannes_> fake: jep
[22:51] <hannes_> fake: let's do it
[22:51] <treo> gn8
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[23:05] <owl> hi hannes_ 
[23:25] <owl> gn8. i'll try to sleep. bye
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[23:51] <SteffenP> and i hope for Hannes that the Rock thing is really good as LFS... :o)
[23:56] <fake> LFS is not as good as rock ;)
[23:57] <fake> rock existed before lfs 
[23:57] <SteffenP> fake... i wouldn't be that shure about it.
[23:58] <fake> SteffenP: i am absolutely sure
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