[00:00] <SteffenP> hmmm on none is written when they started to work.. so noone knows i would say
[00:00] <fake> the LFS project started in 1999 iirc
[00:01] <SteffenP> hmmm  sorry i don't know i was using LFS a long time.. in 2000 i switched from Slakware to LFS.
[00:02] <fake>  1998-2004 Gerard Beekmans.
[00:02] <fake>  that kinda answers that question ;)
[00:02] <SteffenP> the same what i found with Rock
[00:02] <fake> rock got it's name in 1996
[00:04] <SteffenP> hmm... :) oky you won..
[00:07] <hannes_> huah!
[00:08] <hannes_> the selinux stuff finally compilies..
[00:09] <hannes_> i should already be in bed, but doesn't matter ;)
[00:15] <SteffenP> hannes_ i'm downloading now the sources lets see.. i already saved everything from my laptop
[00:15] <SteffenP> and the minit i want this for the laptop .. that was quite fast.. :)
[00:16] <SteffenP> and the bomberclone stuff forget about it.. i tested it already tooo many bugs.. 0.11.4 will wait another few days..
[00:16] <hannes_> SteffenP: today i improved the scripts
[00:16] <SteffenP> :o)
[00:16] <hannes_> SteffenP: i can send you a tarball of them
[00:16] <SteffenP> hmmm... well i'll build now the laptop thing and see how it works
[00:17] <hannes_> do so!
[00:17] <SteffenP> ohh shit where can i select another kernel binary.. moment
[00:20] <SteffenP> oky i have it .. now with 2.6... puhh
[00:20] <hannes_> kernel binary?
[00:20] <SteffenP> i meen source
[00:20] <SteffenP> but why is kernel 2.4.27 downloaded if i selected 2.6. something
[00:21] <hannes_> which target are you building?
[00:21] <SteffenP> moment
[00:21] <hannes_> perhaps for the linux-kernel headers?
[00:21] <SteffenP> hmmm no if you use 2.6.xx you should always use the headers for 2.6.xx 
[00:22] <SteffenP> Target Crystal
[00:22] <SteffenP> but in the Kernel Options i selected lkernel26
[00:23] <SteffenP> i've nowhere selected 2.4.x
[00:23] <hannes_> strange
[00:24] <hannes_> does it really build a 2.4.xx kernel?
[00:24] <SteffenP> not build but download
[00:24] <hannes_> i have no linux24 kernel in my build
[00:24] <hannes_> ok, then let it just compile...
[00:25] <SteffenP> oky
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[01:30] <hannes_> gnu n8!
[02:48] <mnemoc> *yawn*
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[08:05] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:42] <hannes_> hi
[09:44] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ 
[09:45] <hannes_> hi blindcoder 
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[10:32] <hannes_> hi SteffenP 
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[10:33] <SteffenP> hi hannes_ 
[10:34] <hannes_> SteffenP: how is your build doing?
[10:34] <SteffenP> hmm fine..
[10:34] <SteffenP> but it is stuck at: Regression testing for GNU tar, version 1.14
[10:35] <SteffenP> it displays me alot of FIALS
[10:35] <SteffenP> FAILS
[10:35] <hannes_> ohh :/
[10:36] <blindcoder> moin SteffenP 
[10:37] <SteffenP> moinchen blindcoder 
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[10:49] <th> blindcoder: i send another "now i get this error" mail to the ML (wrt licq)
[10:49] <th> blindcoder: it's still gpg related
[10:58] <daja77> hi th
[11:01] <blindcoder> th: I'll have a look
[11:01] <th> blindcoder: thanks a lot
[11:01] <th> moin daja77 
[11:02] <daja77> why the heck licq needs gpg
[11:03] <blindcoder> daja77: encryption of direct connections
[11:04] <daja77> ah
[11:04] <blindcoder> th: will need time until I'm home, don't have my laptop with me
[11:05] <daja77> i mailed this already but perhaps it needs gnupg2 since libassuan is involved, and perhaps even the other aegypten libraries 
[11:05] <th> ohhh
[11:06] <th> i think gnupg2 would mean a change stable is not willing to take?
[11:07] <daja77> it can coexist with gnupg1
[11:07] <daja77> it does that in stable too
[11:07] <daja77> unstable
[11:08] <th> have you a flist handy?
[11:08] <daja77> lemme check
[11:10] <daja77> have to install that first
[11:14] <daja77> btw not perhaps, you need all that libs for gnupg2 ...
[11:23] <blindcoder> th: sonar should have the flist
[11:24] <th> .oO(but there is no link on rl.{net,org} )
[11:24] <th> http://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl?action=flist&dist=2.1-rev4420-daja&pkg=gnupg2
[11:24] <th> thanks
[11:25] <daja77> *grmpf* ;)
[11:25] <blindcoder> th: there's a link on http://www.rocklinux.org/doc.html
[11:25] <th> daja77: but there is not even a gpg binary in there
[11:25] <th> and there is no lib at all
[11:26] <th> blindcoder: ahh cool. i did not knew that
[11:26] <blindcoder> th: I just added it a few days ago
[11:26] <th> ahh great
[11:27] <th> hmm i don't like the rockdoc to be on a dynip.
[11:27] <th>  ROCKDoc Wiki link is 404
[11:28] <th>  ROCK Sonar as well
[11:32] <blindcoder> hoeh?
[11:32] <blindcoder> d'oh
[11:33] <blindcoder> typo3 doesn't check if the url already contains http://
[11:33] <blindcoder> fixed
[11:34] <th> yea that's better. thanks.
[11:38] <th> strange. i just did a minor edit on rockdoc.
[11:38] <th> it showed up after a reload. but it's not in if i edit again
[11:40] <th> ahh was cached
[11:40] <th> had to reload in the editor as well
[11:40] <blindcoder> :)
[11:41] <blindcoder> I'm currently adding a known wiki-spammer blacklist
[11:41] <daja77> who does that?
[11:41] <blindcoder> www.chongqed.org
[11:42] <daja77> th: need a new flist
[11:42] <owl> hi
[11:43] <blindcoder> moin owl 
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[11:44] <th> daja77: pardon?
[11:46] <hannes_> hi owl
[11:50] <owl> hi hannes_ , blindy
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[11:56] <esden> hi ho everyone
[11:56] <hannes_> hi esden 
[11:56] <owl> hi esden 
[11:57] <th> blindcoder: did you notice main-section "4" i just created in doc?
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[12:04] <th> daja77: why does gnupg2 not contain libraries or an executable like gpg?
[12:08] <daja77> it was build agent-only that time
[12:14] <th> i see
[12:15] <th> wouldn't it clash with gnupg(1) filenames?
[12:20] <netrunner> th: iirc clifford said bash3 caused regressions, no?
[12:21] <th> netrunner: that's what i had in mind.
[12:24] <blindcoder> back
[12:25] <blindcoder> th: yes, looks good
[12:25] <th> blindcoder: i think we should direct users more directly to such a section
[12:26] <blindcoder> yepp
[12:28] <blindcoder> okay, the blacklist is now active
[12:28] <blindcoder> please tell me immediately if you find weird behavior
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[13:31] <daja77> th: it is build that way, so it doesn"t containing  few libs and bins now
[13:33] <th> daja77: but would it help licq that way?
[13:41] <owl> *jump* *yipeeeh* our vacation has been booked sucessfully! :)))
[13:41] <daja77> no idea
[13:41] <daja77> perhaps we could turn of gpg for licq in stable
[13:42] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:42] <blindcoder> does Pentium MMX run on a K6-3?
[13:45] <daja77> think so
[13:47] <blindcoder> great :)
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: you are the [M]aintainer for licq.
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: what to do with licq?
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: keep it old?
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: disable gpg?
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: or would you like to have alook tonight?
[13:49] <blindcoder> th: as I said I'll have a look tonight
[13:49] <th> blindcoder: ok fine.
[13:50] <blindcoder> because IIRC I had the same error in trunk
[13:50] <th> *dequeuing that from my todo*
[13:50] <th> i see
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[14:01] <treo> sali
[14:11] <th> blindcoder: i think you have undone my recent changes.
[14:12] <th> blindcoder: i already changed the 2.0 targets to wikiwords just a few minutes after adding them
[14:12] <th> blindcoder: and i added section 4
[14:12] <th> blindcoder: which is now gone.
[14:17] <blindcoder> strange...
[14:17] <blindcoder> I'll revert the change in subversion
[14:18] <th> wait
[14:18] <th> i like your version of wikiwords more
[14:18] <th> but the section 4....
[14:19] <blindcoder> I'll have a look
[14:19] <th> i think thats because your editor was open already and the subwiki does not look for conflicts
[14:20] <blindcoder> I only found the AddYourQuestionsHere
[14:21] <blindcoder> did you mean that by Section 4?
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[14:32] <blindcoder> th: ?
[14:36] <th> ack?
[14:36] <th> aeh
[14:36] <th> yes
[14:36] <th> that's what i meant
[14:36] <blindcoder> the file is still there
[14:36] <blindcoder> just the link is now missing
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[15:35] <madtux> good day
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[15:40] <tcr> moin madtux.
[15:40] <madtux> hallo tcr :)
[15:43] <tcr> g00gle groups beta is kind of strange.
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[15:57] <SteffenP> Hannes the cd is almost installed... 
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[16:12] <SteffenP> how do i seperate the PCI modules? just by spaces?
[16:14] <blindcoder> yes
[16:18] <SteffenP> oky until now the installation looks fine... except that i have to check now if everything works
[16:20] <SteffenP> and the display thing with Set new value for tag 'dhcp' ,,,, and it displays 'dhcp' without guessing it is impossible to enter there the right answer.. because there is not really a question what is needed..
[16:20] <SteffenP> Unknown profile: 'default'
[16:20] <SteffenP> upsi..
[16:21] <SteffenP> so now i need vim how do i install vim the fastest way.. ?
[16:21] <SteffenP> the vi is getting me mad..
[16:30] <blindcoder> rocket emerge vim
[16:32] <SteffenP> ahh oky now reboot and then i will see if it works..
[16:32] <SteffenP> maybe it is installed i just had to reboot
[16:37] <SteffenP> oky it seems to work
[16:40] <SteffenP> where can i change that the vim is not reactimg like the orginal vi? i know there where somewhere a way to switch.
[16:43] <SteffenP> ahh oky i have it.
[16:44] <esden> cu all
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[17:07] <SteffenP> i don't get it.. the nvidia stuff just crashed.. with the defaulrt stuff..
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[17:16] <madtux> hello nullslack 
[17:17] <nullslack> hello madtux!
[17:25] <SteffenP> is there a easy way to uninstall programms?
[17:33] <daja77> mine -r packagename 
[17:33] <SteffenP> danke
[17:43] <th> SteffenP: please put your questions into ROCK Doc so that others can use the answers
[17:43] <daja77> faq creation could be a developer task too ...
[17:43] <SteffenP> th i will
[17:44] <th> SteffenP: thx
[17:44] <SteffenP> th, but if i ask to much you all can blame hannes.. he was talking to me the past few days i shoiuld give Rock a try.
[17:44] <th> daja77: either way it's good to collect questions
[17:45] <daja77> right
[17:45] <SteffenP> at the moment i am mad because my nvidia driver won`t work.. modprobe nvidia is going fine but X gives me a hard crash
[17:45] <daja77> but pointing user to wiki might lead to confusion and no collection of questions at all
[17:45] <daja77> with what error
[17:46] <SteffenP> daja77: thats the problem the screen tunres black and everything stands still.
[17:46] <SteffenP> the last message in XFreelog is
[17:46] <daja77> you start your X from screen?
[17:46] <SteffenP> i stared it form the console.. 
[17:47] <SteffenP> logged in and typed X
[17:47] <SteffenP> and then nothing.. 
[17:47] <daja77> why not using usual startx wrapper
[17:47] <SteffenP> because i just wanted to check if the driver works
[17:47] <daja77> ah ok
[17:48] <daja77> well there should be a log in /var/logs
[17:48] <SteffenP> hmm
[17:48] <SteffenP> moment i can try it again.. and tell you the right message.. but it's not a error message just a warning..
[17:51] <SteffenP> (WW) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize AGP
[17:51] <SteffenP> (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024,1280x1024"
[17:51] <SteffenP> that are the last two lines
[17:52] <daja77> have you agp drivers for your chipset in kernel=
[17:53] <SteffenP> i still use the default kernel..
[17:53] <SteffenP> 2.4.27
[17:53] <daja77> sigh
[17:53] <daja77> what chipset you have?
[17:53] <SteffenP> SIS530
[17:54] <SteffenP> is the name of the AGP bridge
[17:54] <daja77> oh my dear
[17:54] <SteffenP> but the driver should work fine.. at last it does with debian and co.
[17:55] <SteffenP> ohhh the agpdriver is in the kernel.. thats bad
[17:55] <SteffenP> how can i disable it?
[17:55] <daja77> you could check the nvidia doc for additional information reagrding agp detection, there is a switch for that
[17:55] <SteffenP> moment
[17:59] <th> or just delete the kernel module
[17:59] Action: madtux greets th
[18:00] <th> hi madtux 
[18:03] <SteffenP> Option "NvAgp" "0"
[18:03] <SteffenP> oky it is working lets see if it will keep working after a reboot
[18:04] <nullslack> if i have a celeron 2Ghz, what optimization should i choose?
[18:05] <treo> brb
[18:05] <daja77> p-mmx
[18:05] <madtux> nullslack: depends on if wether u just want to make ur isos for that specifici machine
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[18:05] <madtux> we often recomment pentium with mmx as daja77 just said
[18:06] <nullslack> ok..thnx
[18:06] <daja77> there is not much mor in it for a celeron anyway
[18:06] <madtux> yes that too
[18:06] <nullslack> ic...but it is built using p3's core right?
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[19:14] <SteffenP> th.. i don't know if i do right what i am doing now.. with putting questions into the form there.. hmmm not that everything old is deleted.. .
[19:18] <SteffenP> th i think something went wrong there.. now.. thats bad
[19:19] <th> SteffenP: it's all in a subversion backend. nothing can be lost for real.
[19:19] <SteffenP> ahh oky.. 
[19:19] <SteffenP> so now i will ask the same question here.. 
[19:19] <th> How can i edit in a easy way the packages i want to have in my build? I'd like to have Anjuta and the best would if it would automaticly select all needed packages. And give me a selection of what packaged would be good to install too. Is there any way to do that?
[19:19] <SteffenP> i want to build a new thing where can i select / deselect the packages i want.
[19:19] <th> How can i add another application which is not includes in Rock?
[19:19] <SteffenP> yep this thing.
[19:20] <SteffenP> and the last..
[19:20] <th> it's both in. you just delted the words above
[19:21] <SteffenP> hmm yep .. the wordas above hmmm well it told me to type in  this field my question.. :)
[19:21] <th> SteffenP: there is no such auto-selection of dependencies in stable tree
[19:21] <th> SteffenP: you can create a file like misc/pkgsel/build-bootstrap.in
[19:21] <th> SteffenP: but you need to resolve dependencies by hand
[19:22] <th> SteffenP: you can read about teh dependencies in package/*/YOUR_PACKAGE/*.cache
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[19:22] <SteffenP> oky... hmm oky
[19:25] <SteffenP> i just look in my config dir..
[19:25] <SteffenP> packages includes all aviable packages or? and the X / O show me what will be build (X) or not build (O) ?
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[19:26] <th> SteffenP: the package selections at misc/pkgsel/ are in fact sed expressions which create the packages file.
[19:26] <th> X will be build 
[19:26] <th> O wont
[19:26] <SteffenP> ahh oky
[19:55] <SteffenP> what means loop AES?
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[20:03] <_Ragnar_> encrypt a loopback mounted image with AES
[20:04] <SteffenP> aha oky
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[20:05] <tcr> Something's wrong with my client configuration. Anyway: moin all.
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[20:47] <madtux> ping mnemoc 
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[21:02] <blindcoder> meep
[21:02] <daja77> blindrunner?
[21:02] <madtux> moo!
[21:02] <madtux> ;-)
[21:08] <blindcoder> meep meep *zooooom*
[21:10] <fake> *honk*
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[21:39] <fake> oder du machst es wie z.b. in xine oder qemu .conf
[21:39] <fake> argh
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[21:47] <blindcoder> good night!
[21:52] <fake> n8!
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[21:59] <SteffenP> glibc32 is now working fine..
[22:00] <SteffenP> err: compiling fine
[22:05] <fake> 3.2 ?
[22:05] <fake> ;)
[22:05] <SteffenP> err 2.3
[22:05] <SteffenP> sorum
[22:05] <SteffenP> :)
[22:05] <SteffenP> yeah i switch sometimes two little numbers,,
[22:09] <SteffenP> so if everything works fine someone will have to tell me how to create packets..
[22:09] <SteffenP> the compiling stuff seem to work very fine
[22:17] <treo> gn8
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[22:27] <owl> re. 
[22:29] <owl> *recommend* 3sat: the tragedy of macbeth... 
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