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[00:47] <fake> hi ravelo, hi shiny
[00:54] <owl> hi. god, is this world sick!
[00:54] <shiny> hi fake =)
[00:55] <hannes_> hihi
[00:55] <hannes_> fake: have not slept till now :/
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[01:02] <fake> hannes_: not since we phoned yesterday morning?
[01:03] <hannes_> fake: today...
[01:04] <fake> yesterday
[01:04] <hannes_> i even get not managed to do proper acl/attr patches :/
[01:04] <fake> then how about sleeping?
[01:04] <SteffenP> hi hannes_ 
[01:04] <daja77> sleewhat?
[01:04] <hannes_> i'm somehow not really tired
[01:05] <ravelo> hi all
[01:07] Action: owl hands hannes_ over some pills for "getting tired"
[01:07] <hannes_> owl: thx!
[01:07] <owl> de nada. 
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[02:43] <fake> hannes_: still here?
[02:44] <hannes_> fake: jep
[02:44] <fake> hannes_: how about setting up the DNS stuff?
[02:45] <hannes_> yeah ->> query
[02:49] <SteffenP> hannes it is almost done the first build..
[02:50] <SteffenP> but i had some problems mostly with shared files.. 
[02:50] <hannes_> look at the package/bash/bash.conf file
[02:50] <SteffenP> but if everything runs fine later it coast much less time as LFS.
[02:51] <SteffenP> moment
[02:51] <hannes_> you can change the installdest with sed there
[02:52] <SteffenP> hannes_ oky this might count for double files.. but i had a problem that one package touched a file in a not correct way. So the building tools think these files have to be inside the package.
[02:55] <SteffenP> what was this..
[02:55] <hannes_> for example?
[02:55] <SteffenP> no i mean the house.. 
[02:55] <SteffenP> the house was almost moving.. it seemed as if
[02:56] <fake> SteffenP: mushrooms or LSD?
[02:56] <hannes_> SteffenP: here too
[02:56] <SteffenP> fake nothing .. not even a beer.. hmmm well that could explain something..
[02:56] <hannes_> small earthquake
[02:56] <hannes_> ?
[02:56] <fake> what's up? me notices nuffin
[02:57] <SteffenP> hmmmm 
[02:57] <hannes_> my cola still swings =)
[02:58] <SteffenP> :)
[02:59] <fake> oh my god
[02:59] <SteffenP> what?
[02:59] <fake> there is a porno-science-fiction-horror-B-movie on sat.1
[02:59] <hannes_> fuck! and i have no television
[02:59] <fake> be glad...
[02:59] <hannes_> i would like to see it because of the science-fiction
[02:59] <hannes_> =)
[03:00] <SteffenP> Sat.1? channel 001 :o)
[03:00] <SteffenP> lol
[03:00] <SteffenP> this is a stupid movie
[03:00] <fake> a one-eyed evil sex monster from the 8th dimension
[03:01] <hannes_> lila?
[03:01] <fake> no, it's more an eye then anything else
[03:02] <hannes_> without a body?
[03:02] <hannes_> how could it bee a sex monster than
[03:02] <hannes_> fake???
[03:02] <fake> well
[03:02] <fake> it seems to use the eye nerves as tentacles
[03:03] <hannes_> you don't have to justify =)
[03:03] <fake> and is flying around
[03:05] Action: SteffenP is watching Shakira-Unplugged MTV 1998 DVD
[03:05] <hannes_> SteffenP: also an one-eyed sex-monster =)
[03:06] <SteffenP> nono... she has two eyes.. :)
[03:06] <SteffenP> you know.. 
[03:08] <SteffenP> i hate kde.. why i can't just press the backspace key in the Konsole programm.
[03:09] <fake> oh nooo! the evil sex monster has taken controll of them all!
[03:10] Action: fake making a lot more coffee
[03:11] Action: SteffenP wants some coffeee too
[03:26] <fake> gnome 2.8.1 update's going well...
[03:27] <SteffenP> fake if i finished this with the current build which i make i'll try the gnome 2.8.1 
[03:28] <fake> SteffenP: it won't be perfect...
[03:28] <SteffenP> hmm so like the one i just had.. with some little problems?
[03:28] <fake> let's hope just some little - it's the development tree, after all ;)
[03:29] <SteffenP> and the stupid GTK flags to delete because of some old not 100% compatible sources to the curen gtk 2.4
[03:29] <SteffenP> unstable = trunk ?
[03:29] <fake> yes.
[03:29] <SteffenP> aha oky
[03:29] <fake> stable = branches/2.0-stable
[03:30] <fake> ... or so ;)
[03:30] Action: fake astonished that that movie could even get worse...
[03:32] <SteffenP> hmmm the Unplugged Shakira is much metter.. :)
[03:35] <fake> hm ;-/
[03:36] <hannes_> ...and Rachel got her baby :)
[03:36] <fake> rachel who?
[03:36] <hannes_> SteffenP knows =)
[03:36] <fake> yes! the movie is over! finally!
[03:37] <hannes_> and now on sat.1 episode 2 of that stuff
[03:37] <fake> no, now theres 'Ed' - pretty funny, and after that, finally, Enterprise ;)
[03:38] <SteffenP> ohh yes i know
[03:38] <fake> i just kept watchint that shit movie so i don't miss enterprise afterwards ;)
[03:38] <SteffenP> Enterprise hmmm i want season 4 :o)
[03:38] <fake> me, too!
[03:38] <SteffenP> season 3 i know all
[03:38] <fake> the xindhi, yes, a great season
[03:39] <fake> the end of the last ep. of season3 really thrilled me...
[03:39] <fake> people talking german in the background - very confusing
[03:39] <SteffenP> yep that was made very well.
[03:40] <SteffenP> ohh they found out that enterprise is also in the time of WW1.
[03:40] <SteffenP> end then To Be Continued...
[03:40] <fake> WW2 - they had SS uniforms...
[03:40] <SteffenP> ohhh hmm yep could be.. i forgot.. it's too long ago since i watched it
[03:41] Action: fake fires up aMule
[03:41] <fake> need to get ep 5x10 of andromeda ;)
[03:42] <SteffenP> andromeda.. nono.. thats not what i like
[03:42] <fake> i didn't like it in the beginning either
[03:42] <SteffenP> Enterhaken was good.. :)
[03:42] <SteffenP> it is nice to watch if there is nothing else in the TV
[03:43] <fake> but the seasons 3 and 4 really had something to them
[03:43] <fake> no translations of 3 and 4...
[03:44] <SteffenP> ohh ..
[03:44] <SteffenP> hey my shakira is over.. uhmm what next? hmm
[03:44] <fake> ed @ sat.1
[03:45] <fake> oeh
[03:45] <fake> enterprise season 4 has already started?
[03:47] <SteffenP> hmmm should
[03:47] <SteffenP> it was told that it will start at the end of summer 2004.
[03:48] <SteffenP> so now: Within Temptation - Mother Earth Tour 2002 :o)
[03:48] <fake> yes, up to episode 15 even
[03:48] <fake> that\s better music than shakira ;)
[03:48] <SteffenP> ohh 
[03:49] <SteffenP> hmm the old songs from Shakira are good.. the ones she made before her stupid song Whatever Whenever.
[03:49] <SteffenP> i hate this song..
[03:50] <fake> the first two episodes of season 4 are called 'storm front' ...
[03:50] <fake> muahaha
[03:50] <SteffenP> hehe lol
[03:50] <SteffenP> oky i will start donkey.. 
[03:51] <hannes_> SteffenP: i think i could get them by nfs =)
[03:51] <fake> me too
[03:51] <fake> shall i mail you the links?
[03:51] <SteffenP> ohhh hannes_ ähm i see i have to visit you..
[03:51] <fake> then we'd help each other out automagically ;)
[03:51] <SteffenP> again
[03:53] <SteffenP> oky my donkey is up and running
[03:54] <hannes_> fake, SteffenP: if i get some ssh accounts at your machines i can rsync the stuff
[03:54] <SteffenP> hannes_: moment i will give you.. 
[03:54] <hannes_> fake: and also 24-3
[03:54] <SteffenP> oky tomorrow i really buy me a new HD
[03:55] <fake> SteffenP: what is your mail address?
[03:55] <SteffenP> stpohle@gmx.net
[03:56] <fake> SteffenP: sent.
[03:57] <fake> SteffenP: thanks to gmx, you may have to wait a few hours ;)
[03:57] <fake> season 1 - 9
[03:57] <SteffenP> hmm well usually i wait only the 3minutes untill fetchmail will do his job
[03:58] <fake> ;)
[03:58] <SteffenP> fake you can also send something to steffen@stpohle.dyndns.org
[03:58] <fake> tell me if it isn't there in 3 minutes
[03:58] <SteffenP> i'll
[03:58] <fake> s,season,episode,
[03:58] <SteffenP> :o)
[03:59] <fake> later episodes seem not to be aired yet.
[03:59] <SteffenP> wait i'll check my email
[04:00] <SteffenP> one new mail
[04:00] <SteffenP> spam
[04:00] <SteffenP> :o(
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[04:02] <fake> i'll resend it
[04:04] <SteffenP> oky i have it.. 
[04:04] <SteffenP> and i add now everything
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[04:16] <fake> i'm freezing
[04:16] <SteffenP> drink one of your coffeees
[04:16] <SteffenP> :o)
[04:17] <fake> i already do ;)
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[04:18] <sockets> anyone awake ?
[04:18] <fake> hi sockets 
[04:18] <sockets> HAI
[04:18] <sockets> :)
[04:18] <sockets> I have a question
[04:18] <fake> go ahead
[04:18] <sockets> if you think you can helps
[04:18] <sockets> I've got 2.0.1 on my ibook
[04:18] <sockets> fresh install
[04:18] <fake> why?
[04:18] <fake> oh
[04:18] <fake> no 2.0.3 binaries for ppc. 
[04:19] <fake> (yet)
[04:19] <sockets> well either way
[04:19] <mnemoc> sockets will create them :)
[04:19] <sockets> the 2.0.1 fresh install gives me crazy errors when I try to run some programs
[04:19] <sockets> Unable to excecute binary file
[04:19] <mnemoc> uhm
[04:19] <fake> what are you trying to run?
[04:20] <sockets> well kdeinit is the most bothersome
[04:20] <sockets> but the .gem package of mozilla does it as well
[04:20] <mnemoc> xterm?
[04:20] <fake> can you do a: file `which kdeinit` , please?
[04:20] <sockets> xterm ?
[04:20] <sockets> the files there
[04:21] <sockets> the lappys upstairs
[04:21] <sockets> btw
[04:21] <fake> you can carry laptops around ;)
[04:21] <sockets> I can but I'm lazy
[04:21] <sockets> :_D
[04:21] <sockets> er
[04:21] <sockets> :-D
[04:21] <fake> did you install the mozilla that was included with the 2.0.1 install cd?
[04:22] <sockets> yesh
[04:22] <fake> aehm
[04:22] <fake> now that's confusing.
[04:22] <sockets> tell me about it
[04:22] <fake> well, i don't know what to tell you yet.
[04:23] <sockets> k
[04:23] <fake> i have used 2.0.1 ppc as well
[04:23] <fake> and it did have some glitches, but mostly gcc ICEing where it shouldn't
[04:23] <sockets> heh
[04:23] <sockets> I've had it working before
[04:23] <fake> then, what did you do?
[04:23] <sockets> well acctually
[04:23] <sockets> I'm not exactally sure
[04:24] <sockets> like I said, fresh install
[04:24] <sockets> I'm wondering if I missed a package during install
[04:24] <fake> SteffenP: enterprise is on
[04:24] <sockets> rejoice!
[04:24] <fake> sockets: i can't tell you that, but the first thing i'd check is the output of file
[04:24] <SteffenP> fake yes i know.. 
[04:24] <sockets> output of file ?
[04:24] <fake> (the uitility 'file')
[04:25] <SteffenP> sorry i have to help someone installing Freecraft / Scavenger
[04:25] <sockets> right
[04:25] <mnemoc> against mozilla-bin
[04:25] <fake> for example, yes
[04:25] <sockets> yesh, I figured
[04:25] <sockets> my friend wants to know what a `tility` is
[04:25] <fake> then i'd have a look with 'ldd', wether all necessary libraries are installed
[04:25] <fake> utility
[04:25] <sockets> he know user interface
[04:25] <sockets> ;)
[04:25] <sockets> hrm
[04:26] <sockets> his kungfoo is strong
[04:26] <sockets> well either way
[04:27] <sockets> I've searched on google, and through the handbook, but I can't seem to find much in the way of anything helpful
[04:27] <sockets> :(
[04:27] <sockets> I'll try that shits when I finish compiling mozilla's src
[04:27] <sockets> bbiam
[04:27] <fake> i am trying to tell you what to do
[04:27] <fake> to help you, you and i will first have to find out what exactly is wrong
[04:33] <fake> cool
[04:33] <fake> thats season 3!
[04:40] <SteffenP> fake on Sat.1? yes it is it should be the second episode of season 3.
[04:41] <fake> yes
[04:41] <fake> i wasn't aware that season 3 is already dubbed
[04:42] <SteffenP> one and a half year they could've been faster... hehe :)
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[05:01] <specs> bleh
[05:01] <specs> fake: for some reason, the file uitility ;) output says its i386
[05:01] <specs> so no duh it won't run
[05:01] <specs> why though, would it have come on the iso ?
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[05:01] <specs> fir ppc
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[05:03] <fake> no idea - are you sure you didn't mix up the 2nd or 3rd cd with one for x86?
[05:06] <fake> that's the only way this can happen.
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[05:10] <steffen_> so wieder da
[05:10] <steffen_> i am back
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[05:22] <ojh> Does any one have any pointers on creating binary packages from programs I have Emerged with my system? I would like to easely be able to reinstall packages after attempting to build experamental versions/
[05:22] <fake> rocket create_gem
[05:25] <ojh> THX, but is there a web page or other document on the process?
[05:26] <ojh> would that be the command 'rocket mkpkg <pkg>' ?
[05:26] <fake> yes.
[05:26] <fake> it creates a tar.bz2 and a .gem of the package and drops it in the current directory.
[05:27] <fake> no
[05:27] <fake> rocket create_gem <pkg>
[05:28] Action: steffen_ is watching now Futurama
[05:28] <steffen_> :)
[05:28] <ojh> Is anyone hosting an APT like repository for the Rocket system? I am in the process of adding/updating a number of packages, I would like to be able to help maintain the repository.
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[05:29] <fake> ojh: rock linux is a distribution build kit, not a distribution...
[05:29] <ojh> At the moment I am attempting to build AbiWork 2.2 :)
[05:29] <ojh> AbiWord I mean :)
[05:30] <fake> ojh: but with the 3.0 release there will be an accompaning distribution that will have all that binary update repository stuff ;)
[05:30] <ojh> Interesting, so the intention is that there should be ROCK based distribuations?
[05:30] <ojh> I see :)
[05:31] <ojh> I really like the flexability of both an Emerge type ability and a binary APT/RPM like system.
[05:33] <SteffenP> if it works later like the apt system in debian it would be perfect.. 
[05:33] <ojh> I am in the process of building a number of packages (creating .desc files) I would like to have a hand in maintaining the main repository.
[05:35] <ojh> As a hybred system that combins the src based abilities og Gentoo like distros with an APT like binary system ROCK would be the best of both worlds :)
[05:35] <ojh> 'like Gentoo' I mean :)
[05:35] <fake> we have absolutely no intention to be 'like gentoo' in any way
[05:35] <fake> gentoo is hype, nothing more
[05:36] <SteffenP> i've never tried gentoo
[05:37] <fake> ojh: the absolutely new wiki at http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/ should getyou started
[05:37] <fake> ojh: especially http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CreatingPackages and http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/SubmittingPatches
[05:38] <ojh> COOL!
[05:39] <ojh> My point is that (to me) an Ebuild script and a ROCK .desc/.conf file are equivilant.
[05:39] <ojh> unless I missed something :)
[05:40] <SteffenP> what i miss is that in the documentation you can't find out what GCC_WRAPPER_* variables can do and all this stuff..
[05:40] <SteffenP> but it's new so i hope it will contain more information soon
[05:41] <ojh> I agree, the documentation needs work. I have been doing the "Use The Source Luke . . ." thing to understand hor ROCK works.
[05:42] <fake> ojh: feel free to add anything you feel is missing to the wiki - that's what it's there for
[05:43] <ojh> But what I have learned has impressed me. And yes I intend to add a few howtos based on my hard earned understanding.
[05:44] <fake> great!
[05:44] <ojh> And kudos to the author of the Freashmeat script, I have used it to add several of my favoriate programs :)
[05:44] <fake> that would be blindcoder ;)
[05:45] <ojh> THX blindcoder!
[05:45] <fake> i guess he's asleep - it's 05:45 AM here
[05:46] <SteffenP> what so late? something must be wrong my clock shows..
[05:46] <SteffenP> hmm well the same.. :(
[05:46] <fake> late? some people referr to this time as 'early' ;))
[05:46] <SteffenP> hmm i'll never understand these people
[05:47] <SteffenP> oky i think i should go to sleep.. the next and last 60packages should compile alone..
[05:48] <SteffenP> no problem the last three/four hours and i'm running out of movies..
[05:49] <ojh> LOL, well from what I see ROCK is one of the next Great Linux distros. I really see how the ROCK developers have learned from the experence of the existing RH/DEB/Getoo type distribuations to come up with what truely works.
[05:49] <fake> uhm...
[05:49] <fake> you realize that rock is much older than gentoo, even older than linux from scratch?
[05:50] <fake> we've learnt a lot from our own mistakes and tend to do things right(tm) ;)
[05:50] <ojh> No. I did not realize that it predated the more "Buzzed" distribuations.
[05:51] <SteffenP> ahhm ROCK isn't even far to that what the debian distribution is..  debian uses a very complex binary package system.. 
[05:51] <ojh> I appreciate that. ;)
[05:53] <specs> fake: you know where I can get a copy of osx for.... testing out purposes ?
[05:53] <specs> not opendarwin
[05:54] <ojh> I appreciate what Debian has achieved, (I am planning to install deb again on one of my free partitions) but the simplicity and flexability of ROCK seems greater.
[05:54] <ojh> OSX? Um . . . . . a Macintosh?
[05:54] <specs> yesh'
[05:54] <specs> a macintrash
[05:54] <specs> u have the shits ?
[05:54] <fake> specs: no
[05:54] <ojh> LOL
[05:55] <specs> no sir
[05:55] <fake> specs: i am not interested in macos<anything>
[05:55] <fake> neither am i interested in parateing software...
[05:55] <specs> it wouldn't be pirating it :-P
[05:55] <fake> *pirateing
[05:55] <specs> seeing if I even like it
[05:56] <ojh> Well I have herd of something, if memory after a few beers serves me, called PearPC that emulates a PPC Mac and should be able to run OSX for . . . research . . . purposes.
[05:57] <fake> on x86
[05:57] <SteffenP> oky, i am in bed good night all ..
[05:57] <SteffenP> byebye
[05:57] <fake> sleep well, SteffenP 
[05:57] <SteffenP> qemu should make it possible to run Mac Stuff..
[05:57] <fake> package/fake/pearpc ;)
[05:58] <ojh> Not sure where to get a copy of the OS, I pay little attention to the Apple side of things. But you can always try Ebay (or FleeBay as some call it)
[05:58] <fake> qemu's ppc emulation isn't as good as pearpc's
[05:58] <SteffenP> well i never used it i just read it in the manpage of qemu
[05:58] <ojh> Well then your already ahead of me :)
[06:00] <ojh> I need sleep. I will be back later and hope to contribuate to a very cool project.
[06:02] <fake> ;)
[06:03] <fake> i'll first commit these few changes here... *doingthingsandthingsand...*
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[06:37] <hannes_> ok
[06:37] <hannes_> good night!
[06:38] <fake> n8!
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[09:01] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:09] <netrunner> moin
[10:20] <hannes_> hi netrunner 
[10:20] <blindcoder> moin netrunner, hannes_ 
[10:20] <hannes_> hehe. that was not a dream: http://www.lgrb.uni-freiburg.de/lgrb/aktuell/aktuelle_erdbeben/led_pool/04120557.ht3
[10:21] <blindcoder> hannes_: I'm currently implementing svn:// support for .desc [D] tag
[10:21] <hannes_> blindcoder: cool
[10:21] <blindcoder> hannes_: you might want to use that for submaster then
[10:21] <hannes_> we can switch submaster pkg to that when you finished
[10:22] <blindcoder> jep :)
[10:22] <blindcoder> earthquake in freiburg o_O
[10:22] <hannes_> jop
[10:23] <hannes_> i was lying in bed currently with my laptop-babe and i thougt there were someone else in my bed
[10:23] <hannes_> but there was no one :)
[10:23] <blindcoder> heh
[10:24] <blindcoder> didn't know freiburg was earthquake area
[10:24] <hannes_> steffenp told that he has even noticed it in ingolstadt
[10:24] <hannes_> blindcoder: me not, too
[10:35] <blindcoder> clifford is applying like crazy :)
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[11:15] <blindcoder> that was the wrong power cord
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[11:31] <blindcoder> subversion support for scripts/Download committed to submaster
[11:42] <owl> .oO( earthquake must have been strong. someone lost his brain after it, as it seems... )
[11:42] <owl> moin
[11:45] <blindcoder> how so?
[11:45] <blindcoder> moin owl :)
[11:49] <owl> blindcoder: well. ithere could not been another explanation for "so ein beknacktes a***l*** in einem sportwagen/coupe ueberholte einen LKW mit ca. 170-190 km/h - und zwar nicht als frei war, sondern als wir uns auf gleicher hoehe mit dem LKW befanden! und: er waere uns fast reingefahren! frontal! " 
[11:49] <owl> hi blindy
[11:52] <blindcoder> well, you know. Once the foot makes contact with the gaspedal, the brain just shortcircuits and goes into hibernation ;)
[11:56] <owl> blindcoder: hmm. not really. i haven't ever seen a person with such a brainlosing behaviour! heh, it was just a landstrasse, with one fahrstreifen/richtung... and this fscking idiot MUST have seen us - if he didn't he must have  been blind! 
[11:56] <blindcoder> I've seen such behavior more than once
[11:56] <owl> i mean - do you "ueberholen" if you're seeing, that there is someone on the other fahrstreifen, about 50 metres far awqay from you... 
[11:57] <blindcoder> quite regular, even
[11:58] <owl> O_o i have often seen, that people drive in the "luecke" in a short distance, but never 2 cars + 1 LKW being on one street/2 fahrstreifen nebeneinander
[11:58] <blindcoder> how long have you been drivin now?
[11:58] <owl> drivin: since 14, sept. - but even as beifahrer... 
[11:59] <blindcoder> see, I have more experience :)
[11:59] <blindcoder> you'll get used to it
[12:00] <owl> gaaaag! such drivers should be shot ... *note to self: installing automatic schussanlage if someone is closer than 1 metre*
[12:43] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[12:48] <netrunner> owl: you've never driven somewhere in the east.
[12:49] <owl> netrunner: well, no. but in .de... and: luckily i had a strong headache yesterday so i didn't drive, but my bf. and he is more expierienced... and i guess this was our luck... there were just about 5 cm between the white coupe/whatever and my golf
[12:56] <netrunner> owl: there are training places where unexperienced drivers can practice.
[12:58] <owl> netrunner: well. i'm not really unexpiereniced, but i would be shocked if there is someone on my side of street - just 5 cm away. guess this you can't really train
[12:59] <netrunner> owl: you can. make holidays in hungary/romania/someothereasterncountry
[12:59] <netrunner> you get quickly used to it. everybody drives like this.
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[12:59] <owl> urgs. well - pay me the holidays :p
[13:00] <netrunner> quite cheap there.
[13:00] <owl> define cheap?
[13:03] <netrunner> owl: my last holidays in moldova, 2 weeks, I spent about 200 eur for two/three people.
[13:04] <netrunner> pizza: 1 eur, coctail: 1 eur...
[13:04] <netrunner> most prices below 1 eur.
[13:04] <netrunner> you can eat really good with four people below 10 euro
[13:13] <owl> k
[13:13] <owl> but: i don't have 200 EUR
[13:22] <blindcoder> hehe, a few years ago I was on the island of cres
[13:22] <blindcoder> streets of the breadth less than one and a half "Autobahnspur"
[13:22] <blindcoder> to the left: 90 degrees down
[13:22] <blindcoder> to the right 90 degrees rock up
[13:23] <blindcoder> I with a big Seat Alhambra
[13:23] <blindcoder> and a fat tourist bus coming from the other side
[13:23] <blindcoder> now _that_ was fun :D
[13:24] <blindcoder> and those were the _better_ roads
[14:33] <steffen_> Searching for old liggering files ...
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[14:33] <steffen_> !> build/Workstation-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium4-32-generic-expert/var/adm/cache/alleyoop should not be present (now in src/invalid-files.lst)!   <--- what meand this? that i can just delete it or?
[14:38] <blindcoder> it means that the file exists although the package is not in the active package list
[14:42] <steffen_> can i delete them? or how they will be delteted?
[14:42] <blindcoder> you can delete them
[14:51] <steffen_> hmm i don't have theses files anymore but it's still theys they are there?
[14:59] <steffen_> for i in `cat src/invalid-files.lst`; do rm $i; done <-- this tells me these files aren't there at all arrgh
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[15:17] <steffen_> hmm how do i create a bootable cd? ./script/Create-ISO isn't working
[15:32] <blindcoder> why isn't it worknig?
[15:32] <blindcoder> please try to give useful error reporst
[15:33] <daja77> you need a bootdisk target, for bootable cds
[15:33] <steffen_> ahh oky.. 
[15:33] <steffen_> no bootdisc configured , disc1 is not bootable
[15:33] <steffen_> was the errormessage
[15:39] <steffen_> why it will build for a boot disc a new libc?
[15:39] <steffen_> arrgh
[15:43] <blindcoder> because no C program can be compiled without a libc
[15:44] <steffen_> hmm well a boot disc shouldn't need more as static linked programms. And they can be very small and tiny..
[15:44] <steffen_> hmm.. oky
[15:44] <steffen_> can i switch from generic to crystal without compiling everything again?
[15:44] <blindcoder> yes, and these static packages need a libc to link against compile time :)
[15:44] <blindcoder> no
[15:45] <steffen_> sure but i guess there is already one glibc installed to link or?
[15:45] <blindcoder> for the system to be installed
[15:45] <blindcoder> but not for the boot disk
[15:45] <blindcoder> and they mostly are not the same
[15:45] <steffen_> hmmm... thats very bad.. oky i'll start the whole thing again.. very very bad.
[15:45] <blindcoder> image you want a minimal system for: x86 generic, AMD K6-2 and Pentium4 all on one CD
[15:46] <blindcoder> against which libc would you link the bootdisk programs?
[15:46] <blindcoder> the K6-2 won't work on the pentium
[15:46] <blindcoder> the pentium not on the k6-2
[15:46] <steffen_> nono i have a pentuin4 build .. but as target you can select rock live , generic, crystal .......
[15:47] <steffen_> this i mean if i switch from generic there to crystal
[15:47] <blindcoder> and I have a Pentium MMX on one, a Pentium-M on another and a K6-2 on a third
[15:47] <blindcoder> then the ROCK-Config ID will change
[15:47] <blindcoder> because some packages are compiled differently on Crystal than on generic
[15:47] <steffen_> ahh oky thats the answer i wanted to hear.. hmm oky
[15:48] <steffen_> the best is i would recomile the whole thing again.. 
[15:48] <blindcoder> yes
[15:50] <steffen_> hannes_: as i said.. in Badenwuertemberg was an earthquake... a very small one but i was right..
[15:56] <blindcoder> injuries? deaths? panic?
[15:56] <steffen_> nothing..
[15:56] <blindcoder> boring :)
[15:56] <steffen_> it was just interesting because my monitors yesterday just was moving.. and i thought well i haven't drunk any beer today so what happens? :o)
[15:57] <steffen_> http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/erde/0,1518,331062,00.html
[15:58] <steffen_> hehe
[16:00] <steffen_> so a crystall build will give me a bootable disc?
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[16:12] <blindcoder> steffen_: no, a bootdisk build will
[16:13] <steffen_> crystall will not build?
[16:15] <steffen_> bootdisc will only give me this.. oky..
[16:17] <blindcoder> steffen_: for example:
[16:17] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg generic
[16:17] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg bootdic
[16:17] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Config -cfg bootdisc
[16:17] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Download -cfg generic -required
[16:18] <steffen_> i know.. i just rebuild everything again.
[16:18] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Download -cfg bootdisc -required
[16:18] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Built-Target -config generic
[16:18] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Built-Target -config bootdisc
[16:18] <blindcoder> ./scripts/Create-ISO filename bootdisc generic
[16:18] <blindcoder> that's what you want to do :-)
[16:22] <steffen_> oky.. 
[16:22] <netrunner>  steffen_ for a bootable disc you need to build the bootdisk target in addition to your normal build.
[16:23] <steffen_> hmm... well then there is something wrong in the documentation because it said that i have a bootdisc in build/<Config-id>/ROCK/bootdisc  but there wasn't
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[16:24] <blindcoder> steffen_: where did it say so?
[16:24] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[16:25] <esden> hi ho everyone
[16:25] <esden> hehe ... that irc client is pretty darn good
[16:25] <steffen_> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk/Documentation/BUILD
[16:25] <netrunner> steffen_: when your Config-id includes the target-name 'bootdisk' :)
[16:25] <esden> I open my laptop and woop I am online in the right channel ;)
[16:25] <netrunner> esden: which one?
[16:25] <esden> very nice ;)
[16:25] <esden> Colloquy
[16:26] <blindcoder> steffen_: please read the whole chapter again:
[16:26] <blindcoder> Bootable floppy images are created along with each 'bootdisk' target, and are
[16:26] <blindcoder> stored in build/<config-id>/ROCK/bootdisk/, where <config-id> corresponds to
[16:26] <blindcoder> the configuration you choose.
[16:26] <steffen_> ahh oky..  ..
[16:26] Action: blindcoder starts some breathing excercises
[16:27] <esden> blindcoder:  are you getting angry or why?
[16:28] <blindcoder> esden: just need to calm myself
[16:28] <esden> hehe ;)
[16:29] Action: blindcoder adding a page about how to create bootable isos to ROCKDoc
[16:30] <steffen_> :o) and there should be a page what is the difference in them all.. when i switched to crystal it will now make only half of the packages i had before
[16:30] <blindcoder> steffen_: http://www.rocklinux.org/151.html
[16:31] <blindcoder> there's a good, small description of crystal
[16:31] <blindcoder> then there's a good part on the mailing list
[16:31] <blindcoder> you did search the mailing list, didn't you?
[16:32] <blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20041018.121659.7ad7b69c.html\
[16:32] <blindcoder> why do I feel I'm wasting my time asking?
[16:32] <steffen_> hmm no.. :)
[16:32] <blindcoder> that's not a thing to smile about
[16:33] <blindcoder> it's actually a sign of bad preparation
[16:41] <esden> steffen_: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[16:42] <esden> blindcoder: when anyone asks a question first paste that url ... and tell him to read it before asking the question again ;)
[16:42] <mnemoc> ESR writes good stuff :)
[16:42] <esden> mnemoc:  I know ;)
[16:44] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CreatingBootableISOs
[16:45] <blindcoder> esden: guess I'll put that link into the wiki, too
[16:45] <esden> blindcoder:  very good idea!
[16:45] <esden> it should come on the main page in red and in H1 format ;)
[16:46] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:46] <blindcoder> for the time being, I put it into AddYourQuestionsHere
[16:47] <esden> stating: "If you have a driving need to ask a question in the irc or in mailinglist or anywhere else first read this (the url) and then come back ;)
[16:47] <esden> "
[16:47] <blindcoder> Before you ask questions here, on IRC or on the mailing list, read this link: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[16:47] <esden> yes ... that is a better statement then mine ... as always ;)
[16:49] <blindcoder> bah :)
[17:06] Action: blindcoder --> bath
[17:06] <steffen_> so i am back
[17:07] <steffen_> hmm oky but one thing i learned now.. asking here hard enought will make you write a good documentation... .. i see now reason why not to ask .. ;)
[17:08] <blindcoder> steffen_: it does for the moment
[17:08] <blindcoder> it changed right now: it's a Wiki, so fscking go there and write what you've learned :P
[17:10] <steffen_> hmm... oky ... i will put there another page about what to do when no good documentation is there.. ... ask the people as long as you can until they write you one ;)
[17:12] <steffen_> fake there is another episode of enterprise on TV..
[17:22] <esden> humm ... fake seems to be still sleeping
[17:23] <daja77> 2740 builds total, 1039 completed fine, 51 with errors. O_o
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[18:31] <blindcoder> back
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[19:02] <fake> *yawn*
[19:03] <blindcoder> good morning
[19:03] <fake> moin
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[19:16] <esden> re hi
[19:17] <blindcoder> wb esden 
[19:23] <fake> hi esden!
[19:24] <esden> hi fake!
[19:24] <fake> esden: i uploaded the corrected livecd image - mind testing it?
[19:24] <fake> now even with drm support ;)
[19:24] <fake> (though you have to load the modules manually)
[19:24] <esden> wooow!
[19:24] <esden> cool
[19:25] <esden> do you mind when I come over to you before driving to munich so you can test it yourself? ;)
[19:25] <fake> you're still in IN? great!
[19:25] <fake> i uploaded it last night becaus i thought you already drove back to MUC
[19:26] <esden> yes I am ... but I am preparing for driving ;)
[19:26] <esden> fake: I was busy in the city that is why I was not online ;)
[19:31] Nick change: steffen_ -> SteffenP
[19:32] <esden> fake: you have got mail!
[19:34] Action: esden -> food
[19:37] <fake> esden: thanks
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[20:12] <Guga> hey
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[20:36] <esden> ok ... now packing up
[20:36] <esden> re hi
[20:36] <fake> re
[20:37] <daja77> wb
[20:37] <fake> esden: can you bring cigarettes along again?
[20:37] <fake> esden: and this time i'm gonna pay you...
[20:38] <esden> hehe ... you have smoked all already?
[20:38] <Freak> smoking is not good for ..
[20:38] <Freak> the hardware.
[20:38] <Freak> =)
[20:39] <fake> hehe
[20:39] <cannibal> bwahahaha. then i must have been a non-stop-smoker
[20:40] <Freak> yea, me too
[20:40] <fake> esden: yep, only one left by now
[20:40] <Freak> I just had a broken hdd
[20:40] <Freak> AGAIN
[20:40] <fake> which brand?
[20:40] <Freak> samsung this time
[20:40] <Freak> but I can break everything, I swear ;)
[20:41] <cannibal> Freak: thx. you  are making me hope. 
[20:41] <Freak> it was only 19 months old
[20:41] <Freak> but they have added 3-year-warranty to all their drives
[20:41] <Freak> like..
[20:41] <cannibal> which HD-mod?
[20:41] <Freak> backwards
[20:41] <Freak> you know
[20:41] <Freak> simple ide
[20:41] <Freak> um
[20:41] <Freak> eide
[20:41] <Freak> ata33 or summit
[20:41] <Freak> I don't know stuff like that :)
[20:42] <cannibal> k. 
[20:42] <cannibal> how many GB did it have
[20:42] <cannibal> ?
[20:42] <Freak> oh cannibal I misstook you for !=owl, nice to see you :)
[20:42] <Freak> 120
[20:43] <cannibal> hehe. nice to see you, too, even if you're a human-being
[20:43] <cannibal> well, then there's a little chance, that it is not the same model, like "mithras" has inisde. 
[20:43] <Freak> yet another antihuman, huh :)
[20:43] <Freak> nice hostname
[20:43] <cannibal> yeah. again. :p
[20:43] <cannibal> thx. 
[20:44] <Freak> mind to tell me where it comes from?
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[20:44] <Freak> sounds a bit lotr'ish tho.
[20:47] <cannibal> mithuras... it was a god or something... (urgs. you ask me questions... must have read the name a long time ago on www.sagengestalten.de or so)
[20:47] <fake> mithras => mytrash ? *eg*
[20:48] <cannibal> lol. nope (ok, it's looking on the HD like "containing trash only"...) 
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[20:48] <esden> humm ... my laptop went to sleep ...
[20:50] <cannibal> hi esden.
[20:51] <SteffenP> hmm why i do pay for this tv here... they show there only stupid movies or stupid shows..
[20:52] <tcr> SteffenP, `Die Neun Pforten' on Sat1 is sufficiently ok.
[20:53] <cannibal> it's not the tv's fault, that you're not dumb enough to enjoy supid movies/shows etc.
[20:53] <SteffenP> :o)
[20:54] <fake> has!
[20:54] <fake> -s
[20:54] <fake> sparc livecd now also contains xine ;)
[20:55] <Freak> sorry, I was away watching the new lord of the rings - return of the king - special extended edition-trailer
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[20:55] <SteffenP> Freak: is the special extended edition already out?
[20:55] <fake> have you seen the matrix ultimate collection trailer?
[20:55] <Freak> cannibal: ah ic. very nice name.
[20:55] <tcr> Freak, what's new in there?
[20:55] <Freak> SteffenP: this friday it will be
[20:55] <fake> (esden's laptop is very sleepy today...)
[20:55] <Freak> +50min
[20:55] <Freak> http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/1/1101760092
[20:55] <SteffenP> ahh very good.. i want to have it.. :) then i have them all ..
[20:56] <tcr> fake: matrix #2 'n #3 suck big ass. :)
[20:56] <Freak> I already pre-ordered it on amazon.de
[20:56] <fake> "One SteffenP... to rule them all"
[20:56] <fake> tcr: ack.
[20:56] <Freak> heh
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[20:56] <fake> hehe
[20:56] <fake> he should *really* install an operating system
[20:56] <daja77> esden!
[20:56] <Freak> (I did that a month ago already)
[20:56] <daja77> whaat he got now?
[20:57] <SteffenP> hmm
[20:57] <fake> OS ieghs
[20:57] <Freak> heh
[20:57] <daja77> haha!
[20:57] <fake> well, i'd choose OS X before any other commercial OS - except maybe Zeta
[20:58] <fake> or QNX
[20:58] <daja77> or qnx :D
[20:58] <daja77> lol
[20:58] <fake> ;)
[20:59] <Freak> well ack.
[20:59] <daja77> I hate it
[20:59] <Freak> besides the qnx and zeta foo
[20:59] <Freak> ;)
[20:59] <daja77> we need compat c++ libs! :(
[20:59] <fake> yes.
[21:00] <fake> especially libstdc++-5
[21:00] <daja77> yes
[21:00] <fake> skype?
[21:00] <daja77> any idea howto create them
[21:00] <fake> ;)
[21:00] <daja77> yes skype
[21:00] <fake> hihi
[21:00] <fake> i knew it
[21:00] <daja77> and another app
[21:01] <fake> nxserver/client?
[21:01] <daja77> no sth else
[21:01] <fake> c'mon, tell us
[21:01] <daja77> opera
[21:01] <fake> hm
[21:01] <daja77> just forgot for one moment
[21:02] <fake> libstdc++-5 is gcc2, isn't it?
[21:02] <daja77> everything commercial which is dynamically linked
[21:02] <daja77> no it is gcc-3.2
[21:02] <fake> you can build multiple gcc's with rock
[21:02] <fake> that would include the other libstdc++'s
[21:03] <daja77> i have a crystal here, howto emerge it without overwriting the default compiler
[21:03] <daja77> =
[21:03] <fake> hm
[21:03] <fake> daja77: i will try it here, then i'll tell you 
[21:04] <fake> daja77: okay?
[21:04] <daja77> okay, thx
[21:06] <fake> build running
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[21:09] <SteffenP> haha i'm going to watch enterprise.. now :)
[21:10] <fake> hum?
[21:10] <fake> how that?
[21:10] <SteffenP> the first two files i have now
[21:10] <fake> grrr
[21:10] <fake> unfair!
[21:10] <fake> ;)
[21:10] <fake> well, i had to finish that iso upload last night...
[21:11] <SteffenP> :)
[21:11] <SteffenP> hey i was uploading an iso too...
[21:11] <SteffenP> well oky it was only a 30MB iso.. but an iso.. :)
[21:19] <cannibal> grmpf. damned dsl-users  :(
[21:19] <SteffenP> :o))) 
[21:21] <cannibal> this is _not_ funny
[21:21] <SteffenP> well i think it is..
[21:21] <SteffenP> and why not?
[21:21] <SteffenP> dsl is still to slow with uploads
[21:22] <cannibal> not really... not if you're using isdn... cuz there is nothing fastger available where you life. or better: not in thios stress, but 50 metres far away from your house it is
[21:22] <SteffenP> hmm... aren't you living in Neuburg?
[21:23] <cannibal> yes iam
[21:23] <cannibal> or better: in heinrichsheim
[21:23] <SteffenP> hmm why is there no dsl aviable.. ?
[21:23] <SteffenP> ahh oky
[21:23] <SteffenP> a friend lives in Giedelhausen or how it is called and even he has DSL
[21:23] <cannibal> cuz "die leitungslaenge is zu lang" (o-ton terrorkom)
[21:23] <SteffenP> hehe lol
[21:24] <cannibal> where are you from?
[21:24] <SteffenP> ingolstadt
[21:25] <fake> owl: do you have cable tv?
[21:25] <cannibal> fake: yeah. why?
[21:25] <cannibal> SteffenP: ah. k. 
[21:25] <fake> hahaha
[21:26] <fake> owl: you're gonna kiss my nekkid butt
[21:26] <cannibal> fake: haeh?
[21:27] <fake> http://www.kabeldeutschland.de/kabelhighspeed/pakete/tarif_flat_pro4000.php?p=ct&c=2
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[21:27] <fake> 4 MBit/s down, 512 kb/s up for ~99 EUR / month _total_
[21:27] <fake> there are also slower (cheaper) options availible.
[21:28] <fake> Vom 01.11.2004 bis zum 31.01.2005 bekommen Sie, unabhängig vom Tarif, das Kabelmodem kostenlos. Sie sparen dadurch 99,90 Euro.
[21:28] Action: daja77 hopes to get 2mbit with static ip subnet
[21:28] <SteffenP> Anschluss mehrerer Arbeitsplätze***  <-- cool they allow it .. 
[21:28] <SteffenP> also in the contract thats great
[21:28] <fake> yes. it's a great offer...
[21:28] <fake> ... but i don't get cable tv.
[21:28] <cannibal> hmm. the last time i was watchin this site, it wasn't possible here
[21:29] <cannibal> wel... i will check it again... if the site loads... *yawn*
[21:30] <SteffenP> ist technisch nicht verfügbar.  <--- uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 
[21:30] <cannibal> kabel highspeed ist technisch nicht verfuegbar... 
[21:31] <fake> hm
[21:31] <SteffenP> tv germany isn't in bavaria... it's here another company.. i don't know which one.. 
[21:31] <fake> okay ;)
[21:31] <cannibal> yes. also "inet ueber steckdose", "tdsl light" or whatever is not possible here. just modem with 56ki or isdn. juyipeeh. :(
[21:31] <fake> but it's availible at my friend's
[21:31] <SteffenP> yeah hmm.. 
[21:31] <daja77> germany isn't in bavaria... I knew it 
[21:31] <SteffenP> is he here in ingolstadt?
[21:32] <fake> yes
[21:32] <SteffenP> daja77: well it is inside but here are going things diffrent.. 
[21:35] <cannibal> .oO( yes, completely different... grmpf :( )
[21:36] <SteffenP> great my laptop is to slow to play the movie.. arrrgh
[21:36] <cannibal> haha. want a 1.8 ghz asuss? *vbeg*
[21:37] <SteffenP> :o) sure 
[21:37] <cannibal> well. ok. how much would you pay? 
[21:38] <fake> daja77: skype's running
[21:38] <SteffenP> hmm well nothing.. ?
[21:38] <daja77> and gcc --version says what?
[21:38] <cannibal> SteffenP: haha. bad deal :P
[21:38] <SteffenP> you asked me if i want one not if i buy one..
[21:39] <cannibal> no,no. you misunderstood *vbeg*
[21:39] <SteffenP> ahh oky :o(
[21:41] <cannibal> *g* well, i'm also dreaming about a notebook for free... but you see - no chance...
[21:41] <SteffenP> hmmm .. well not a one you can play movies on it.. 
[21:41] <cannibal> yeah. if it is not away - being repaird... 
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[21:42] <fake> root@junk:~# gcc --version
[21:42] <fake> gcc (GCC) 3.4.3
[21:42] <daja77> ah cool
[21:42] <fake> just copy your running config to config/running
[21:42] <fake> run scripts/Config
[21:42] <daja77> so you just did scripts/Emerge-Pkg gcc32?
[21:42] <fake> enable gcc 32 and keep gcc 3.4 as default
[21:42] <daja77> ah ok
[21:42] <fake> no!
[21:42] <daja77> ic
[21:42] <fake> the config thing is important 
[21:42] <fake> and then Emerge-Pkg gcc32
[21:43] <fake> and THEN copy over libstdc++-5.so from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/*/*/whatever/gcc-3.2.*/
[21:43] <daja77> hm perhaps we should do that automagically
[21:44] <fake> hm ;-/
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[22:12] <SteffenP> brb restart
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[22:30] <fake> skype sucks
[22:34] <daja77> why
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[22:46] <esden> hi ho everyone
[22:46] <fake> daja77: proprietary, not configurable cruft
[22:47] <daja77> sigh
[22:47] <fake> the nat traversal method is impressing, that's all
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[22:57] <treo> gn8
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[23:26] <esden> cu
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[23:57] <daja77> fake: ?
[23:58] <fake> daja77: yes?
[23:58] <fake> daja77: do you have your skype running?
[23:58] <daja77> erh no, have no mic today anyway
[23:59] <fake> :(
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