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[00:11] <netrunner> ~ [00:11] <fake> ~ [00:15] <netrunner> I could pretend that I wanted to state I am home now ... but this natural keyboard is too heigh for its drawer and pushing it in always presses some function keys :) [00:16] <daja77> hehe [00:20] <netrunner> oki, n8 [00:30] <mnemoc> rehi [00:48] <daja77> fake: yep skype is running now [00:51] <fake> daja77: and do you have a microphone? [00:52] <daja77> no, :( [00:53] <daja77> have to buy one tomorrow [00:54] <daja77> shall i search for fake? [00:55] <daja77> .oO (skype crashed while receiving a contact list) [00:55] <fake> fake666 [03:29] <SteffenP> moin moin [03:29] Action: SteffenP can't sleep [03:29] <SteffenP> ohh skype is very good.. sometimes i used it. [03:30] <fake> no, skype is evil [03:30] <SteffenP> why? [03:30] <fake> (until chan_skype is ready) [03:30] <fake> because ithere are industry standards for voip which it just ignores [03:30] <fake> no compatiblity to anything [03:30] <fake> that _is_ evil [03:31] <SteffenP> https://stpohle.dyndns.org/phpsysinfo/index.php <-- uhh two HD's shining up red again... did i said that i need a bigger HD? [03:31] <SteffenP> fake yep but they are the first who could do it that everyone can use it even behind some bad routers/firewalls.. and so [03:32] <fake> that's STUN [03:32] <fake> it's part of the SIP specification [03:32] <fake> all they did is set up a third-party proxy everyone connects to [03:32] <fake> that's neither elegant nor useable ;) [03:33] <SteffenP> well the post peolpe like it because it's easy to use.. and it works with tree and four people talking even on isdn [03:33] <SteffenP> err three [03:34] <fake> that's not skype's doing, that's the closed source codec from (some firm beginning with G) [03:35] <fake> well, the conference stuff is skype [03:36] <fake> but that's perfectly possible with SIP too [03:36] <SteffenP> hmm.. [03:36] <SteffenP> well then write a software to use it in an easy way.. [03:36] <fake> the problem is that there is no easy-to-use SIP application (soft phone) that works reliably [03:36] <SteffenP> yep.. [03:36] <SteffenP> thats right.. [03:37] <SteffenP> so i'd say untill there is nothing better skype is a good software.. :) [03:37] <fake> skype opened their API [03:37] <fake> so there might be a channel driver for asterisk real soon now. [03:38] <fake> then it get's more interesting. [03:55] <SteffenP> so i'll go again to bed.. good night all [03:56] <SteffenP> next try to sleep [04:01] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-041.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:02] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-094-093.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:02] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [05:21] steffen_ (steffen@p3E9EAC94.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:22] SteffenP (steffen@pD9E8EF1B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] Nick change: steffen_ -> SteffenP [06:56] SteffenP (steffen@p3E9EAC94.dip.t-dialin.net) got netsplit. [06:56] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-193-088.arcor-ip.net) got netsplit. [06:56] SerWou (~SerWou@82.224.107.105) got netsplit. 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[07:47] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:47] Nick change: mnemoc_ -> mnemoc [08:09] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [08:12] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [08:13] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8E2EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [08:27] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8CAE8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:27] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [09:37] <blindcoder> moin [10:24] <daja77> moin blindy [10:27] <blindcoder> moin daja77 [10:27] <blindcoder> I'm sitting here at SUN again :) [10:28] <daja77> poor blindy [10:29] <blindcoder> oh, free coffee and cookies [10:29] <blindcoder> not so bad I think :) [10:29] <daja77> hehe [10:29] <SerWou> Hello guys [10:29] <blindcoder> moin SerWou [10:30] <SerWou> what's up blindcoder [10:30] <blindcoder> certification [10:30] <SerWou> i'm looking for a mass email sender on linux, who can remove emails adress from a list if the are twice and send html/text emails to a list [10:31] <SerWou> do you know that ? [10:31] <blindcoder> stasrting a spammer career? [10:31] <SerWou> not yet, annoucing my new website to my graphist community [10:32] <SerWou> do you want to check it out ? [10:32] <blindcoder> not really [10:32] <blindcoder> at least not yet [10:32] <SerWou> it's not a porn website ;) [10:32] <blindcoder> then even less :) [10:32] <SerWou> hehe [10:33] <SerWou> so, do you know a program on linux ? [10:33] <blindcoder> mailman [10:33] <SerWou> let's me check [10:34] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud3.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] <SerWou> thanks [10:40] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] <SerWou> mailman needs apache and sendmail [10:42] <blindcoder> so install them [10:42] <SerWou> i don't need my own MTA [10:42] <blindcoder> how do you want to send mail then? [10:42] <SerWou> i can use my SMTP ISP [10:43] <blindcoder> well, you _need_ an MTA to send mail. period. [10:43] <blindcoder> your MTA can then relay the mail to your ISPs MTA. [10:43] <SerWou> ha [10:47] esden (~esden@p50805CD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [10:47] <blindcoder> moin esden [10:47] Action: blindcoder brb, coffee [10:47] <esden> hi blindcoder! [10:51] SerWou (~SerWou@82.224.107.105) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:53] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:53] Action: esden getting coffee too [11:02] <blindcoder> back [11:03] <esden> back too [11:06] Action: blindcoder listening to introduction to EIS [11:28] hannes_ (ucbiv@rzstud3.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:34] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) joined #rocklinux. [11:35] <hannes_> hi clifford [11:35] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ , clifford [11:35] <clifford> hi gang! ;-) [11:35] <th> hi cliff [11:36] <clifford> blindcoder: the bash <-> ncurses thing [11:36] <blindcoder> yes? [11:37] <clifford> why doesn't happen this in trunk? [11:37] <blindcoder> I think it does [11:37] <clifford> root@localhost:~# ldd /bin/bash [11:37] <clifford> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40035000) [11:37] <clifford> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40039000) [11:37] <clifford> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000) [11:38] <blindcoder> bash uses dload to load the libs [11:38] <clifford> aha. ic. [11:38] <blindcoder> just try Emerge-Pkg ncurses :) [11:38] <th> just umount /usr and login as root ;) [11:38] <th> oh it's moved to /lib [11:38] <blindcoder> th: ncurses is in /lib, no? [11:38] <th> ok [11:38] <clifford> I'll create a small chroot to test it.. [11:39] <blindcoder> good idea :-) [11:39] <th> whimp! [11:39] <th> clifford: do it on some important live system! [11:39] <th> ;> [11:39] <th> perhaps i should bette get breakfast [11:39] <blindcoder> still no problem: create package, login, try, reinstall package [11:40] <clifford> no - works fine. [11:40] <clifford> also 'cat /proc/$$/maps' doesn't have ncurses [11:41] <clifford> bash seams to link vs. the .a version of readline and ncurses here.. [11:41] <blindcoder> hmm, do we have so2a in stable? [11:41] <owl> damned fscking parents. [11:42] <clifford> blindcoder: no. th: is stable missing .a versions of ncruses and readline? [11:42] owl (~owl@karnaya.de) left #rocklinux ("..."). [11:45] <clifford> blindcoder: $autoso2a is only set for alsa and xfree86 in trunk. [11:45] <blindcoder> I see [11:46] <blindcoder> hmm [11:46] Action: blindcoder checking out a stable tree [11:50] <blindcoder> making lib/readline/libreadline.a in ./lib/readline [11:50] <blindcoder> found that in 3-bash2.log [11:50] <esden> hi clifford [11:50] <clifford> hi esden [11:51] <blindcoder> gcc ... -o bash ... -ltermcap ... [11:51] <blindcoder> I think that's why [11:53] <blindcoder> in trunk bash2 is linked statically against readline and termcap AFAICS [11:53] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/2-bash2.log [11:54] <clifford> so - why is it linked dynamically when using glibc22 ? [11:54] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/3-bash2.log obviously [11:55] <blindcoder> that might need digging through the bash source [11:55] <blindcoder> it might be interesting to see if it is even related to glibc22 [11:56] <clifford> or it is related to gcc2.. [11:56] <clifford> ..someone with spare cpu-cycles should test that.. [11:57] <blindcoder> I'm not at home until wednesday evening and my machine doesn't have WOL [11:58] <clifford> All my machines are busy doing trunk reference builds so I can catch up with applying the patches from submaster [11:59] <blindcoder> okay, that means the problem is postponed until wednesday :) [12:03] <th> as you are both here... [12:03] <th> clifford: blindcoder wrote a script for you to send more information about refbuild results [12:04] <th> clifford: could you use this to provide more results to rock-sonar? [12:04] Action: clifford forwarding the above dialog to the mailing list thread now. [12:04] <blindcoder> clifford: good idea so I won't forget until then :) [12:07] <clifford> th: yes. but I had no time so far to have a deeper look at the ROCK sonar thing.. [12:08] <blindcoder> it's more or less a grep implemented as a perl cgi script :) [12:11] Action: clifford <- pizza. [12:11] <blindcoder> an guadn :) [12:31] <th> clifford: please have a look. i really need such data from trunk from time to time [12:34] Action: netrunner would love to have a fulltext search on the submaster archives [12:46] <fake> netrunner: me, too! [12:48] <esden> weee ... battery indicator is now working!!! [12:48] <esden> hi fake [12:48] <fake> kewl [12:48] <fake> hi! [12:49] <esden> fake: the pcb that I fried yesterday excused itself and is back to life ;) [12:49] <esden> straaange thing ;) [12:49] <fake> hehe [12:50] <esden> fake: what way are you coming to eching? train or car? [12:50] <fake> the latter [12:50] <fake> saves time [12:50] <fake> what do you think how long it'll take me? [12:50] <esden> be carefull there may be a traffic jam at the "baustelle" [12:50] <esden> in neufarn [12:51] <fake> yeah, i know [12:52] <esden> you can also leave the highway in allershausen and drive the in direction of dachau and then the b13 to eching [12:53] <esden> you need when there is no traffic jam half an hour from ingolstadt [12:55] <hannes_> hi fake, esden [12:55] <esden> hi hannes [12:55] <esden> have you slept well? ;) [12:56] <hannes_> on sunday, yeah nearly all day and all night [12:56] <hannes_> so no probs to wake up at 7am today [12:56] <esden> yes I saw it ;) [12:57] dsoul (darksoul@pingu.ii.uj.edu.pl) joined #rocklinux. [12:58] <hannes_> esden: how did you see it? [12:59] <esden> I am all seeing ;) [12:59] <hannes_> .oO(i locked my door( [13:00] <esden> *G* [13:02] <hannes_> esden: i know you have your lock pick set from ccc [13:02] <esden> yes I have ... ;) [13:03] <esden> but my magic fingers are enough ;) [13:03] <hannes_> long fingernails? [13:04] <hannes_> https://www.swimmingbird.com/apawsdistro.html [13:04] <hannes_> =) [13:07] <blindcoder> back [13:08] <hannes_> hi blindcoder [13:08] <hannes_> please have a look at the svn-download patch [13:09] <hannes_> it works for me(see package submaster) [13:09] <blindcoder> already seen it [13:09] <blindcoder> I just want to check why that happens [13:09] <blindcoder> and why it didn't here [13:09] <blindcoder> oh [13:09] <blindcoder> I think I already know [13:10] <blindcoder> yes, I found it [13:10] <hannes_> please check if the revision-number handling still works [13:11] <hannes_> i cannot look at it now, because i have to leave for uni [13:11] <blindcoder> I used !svn:// for testing [13:12] <blindcoder> hannes_: yes, still works [13:13] <netrunner> why c# will fail: https://khason.biz/blog/2004/12/why-microsoft-can-blow-off-with-c.html [13:19] <hannes_> blindcoder: it just ignores the ::50? [13:19] <hannes_> blindcoder: i will have a look at it, when i'm back [13:21] <hannes_> blindcoder: or should we leave the !svn:// - style? [13:24] <blindcoder> hannes_: your patch is fine [13:24] <blindcoder> I was mistaken by some behaviour of Download [13:26] <hannes_> have you reviewed if Download really checks out the correct revision? [13:26] <hannes_> i don't think so... [13:27] <blindcoder> yes it does [13:27] <hannes_> are you sure [13:27] <blindcoder> more or less [13:28] <blindcoder> okay, does not [13:28] <blindcoder> needs ! [13:29] <hannes_> okay, i'll discard the patch and will rediff the submaster-stuff [13:29] <blindcoder> thankd :-) [13:29] <blindcoder> we should add that svn:// should always use ! [13:30] <hannes_> waah...i'm already late...i'll only put a note to the patch [13:30] <hannes_> do whatever you want. i can discard the patch later if needed [13:31] <blindcoder> okay [13:31] <blindcoder> I think I see a good solution [13:32] <hannes_> blindcoder: ok, have a look at it [13:32] <hannes_> c'ya later [13:33] <blindcoder> bye [13:55] <mnemoc> moin [13:55] <blindcoder> moin mnemoc [13:55] <netrunner> moin mnemoc [13:55] <mnemoc> moin blindcoder netrunner [13:55] <netrunner> ha. sleeping place for c3 seated. [13:56] <blindcoder> netrunner: where? [13:56] <netrunner> blindcoder: a friends' flat. [13:56] <netrunner> sounded like I had to share his gf's bed ;) [13:56] <blindcoder> heh [13:57] Action: netrunner asks himself if he will bring his build server or not ... [13:57] <blindcoder> I doubt the usefulness of that [13:58] <blindcoder> better make some builds and send them here so I can create some DVD ISOs and burn them [13:59] <blindcoder> guess I'll write a mail about that [13:59] <netrunner> blindcoder: I have a crystal pentium-m and a crystal mmx [13:59] <netrunner> blindcoder: maybe we should organize builds once more. [13:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes, that's what I meant :-) [14:00] <blindcoder> especially since we have a shiny new release (thanks th!) [14:01] <blindcoder> I will take care of that in a few hours [14:01] <blindcoder> (ie: create configuration, work-packets etc) [14:13] Action: esden going to make fire signes [14:13] Action: daja77 backs away from esden [14:14] Action: netrunner fires on esdens command [14:28] clifford (~clifford@213-229-1-138.sdsl-line.inode.at) got netsplit. [14:28] esden (~esden@p50805CD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit. [14:28] mnemoc (~amery@200.75.27.45) got netsplit. 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[15:42] <th> it is [15:42] <daja77> strange [15:42] Action: treo is back (gone 00:20:27) [15:43] <hannes_> rehi [15:43] <hannes_> blindcoder: svn download stuff ok now? [15:43] <blindcoder> hannes_: yes, I just forced usage of the plain text in the [D] tag [15:44] <hannes_> super [15:47] <daja77> >_< [15:50] <hannes_> i think i just have stopped smoking =) [15:50] <hannes_> no cigarette for 4 days =) [15:50] <blindcoder> how so? [15:50] <blindcoder> heh, nice [15:51] <hannes_> i just wanted to know, if it's possible... [15:51] <hannes_> and now i don't want to start anymore [15:51] <hannes_> juchu, xen is working =) [15:52] <daja77> tons of conflicts in svn merge ... [15:53] <hannes_> https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ <-- fine, fine [15:53] Action: hannes_ packaging xen... [15:53] <mnemoc> what has xen better that qemu? [15:54] <hannes_> mnemoc: first of all, the performance [15:54] <mnemoc> yes? [15:54] <mnemoc> i considered qemu fast enough [15:55] <hannes_> mnemoc: for example, you can dump an image and transfer it to another machine [15:56] <mnemoc> cool feature [15:56] <hannes_> mnemoc: a lot of other cool features wich aren't avaible in qemu [15:56] <hannes_> and it doesn't really depend on an host-os [15:57] <hannes_> you have a domain0 running which controls the other machines but they are a lot more independent [15:58] <hannes_> blindcoder: now please add a method for bk:// - downloads while you are at it =) [15:58] <mnemoc> f34rs [15:59] <hannes_> mnemoc: why? [15:59] <blindcoder> hannes_: :P [15:59] <blindcoder> hannes_: takes too much time [16:00] <mnemoc> hannes_: adding download methods you restrict to host machine [16:00] <mnemoc> s/to/the/ [16:01] <hannes_> mnemoc: you're right [16:02] <hannes_> mnemoc: but somehow it got very popular for OSS [16:03] <mnemoc> using checkouts as [D]s is _evil_ [16:04] <mnemoc> you can't use checksums, etc... [16:04] <blindcoder> mnemoc: sure can [16:04] <mnemoc> avoid adding more evilness :) [16:04] <hannes_> blindcoder: how? [16:04] <mnemoc> blindcoder: no you can't [16:04] <blindcoder> if you specify a fixed release you can [16:04] <mnemoc> blindcoder: different versions of tar produce different binary forms of the same fscking dir [16:04] <hannes_> but the timestamps change, for example [16:05] <mnemoc> timestaps vary too [16:05] <mnemoc> tha'ts why 'X' is used instead of '0' [16:06] <hannes_> you can add a plain cksum for each file and blaah... [16:06] <hannes_> only too much of overhead [16:06] <blindcoder> hmm, didn't think of timestamps [16:07] <mnemoc> hannes_: cksum based on files does't fit current checksum schema [16:07] <hannes_> mnemoc: of course, i was just kidding... [16:07] <mnemoc> :) [16:08] <blindcoder> clifford: can you give me an approximation of the next apply-orgy? [16:08] <clifford> 1416 builds total, 710 completed fine, 8 with errors. [16:09] <clifford> .. this is where my ref build is right now. [16:09] <blindcoder> so it will probably take some days [16:09] <clifford> (1.47 GHz Athlon) [16:09] <hannes_> clifford: i'm afraid the stuff with acl/attr/dmapi causes some problems [16:09] <hannes_> did you see some errors till now? [16:09] Action: daja77 laughing his ass off [16:09] <clifford> I need to finish the build, rebuild all broken to see dep errors and then analyze the errors. [16:10] <daja77> the java2ee isntaller hangs with a race condition [16:10] <blindcoder> clifford: think it's okay to use the current revision for creating CDs/DVDs for 21C3? [16:10] <clifford> I wanted to do a fix-orgy with fake in the week before x-mas.. [16:11] <hannes_> clifford: will you stay in ingolstadt around chrismas? [16:11] <blindcoder> clifford: that would cut it really close for building until 21C3 [16:11] <clifford> hannes_: acl and attr built fine. [16:12] <clifford> no results for dmapi right now. [16:12] <hannes_> clifford: thanks *puuh* [16:12] <hannes_> dmapi has some small probs right now [16:12] <hannes_> only just where the libs are located [16:13] <clifford> hannes_: yep. I will be at fakes places from 18th/19th until we leave for 21c3 [16:13] <daja77> clifford: what about the pending issues for crystal as i mentioned some on ml [16:13] <clifford> blindcoder: fake has a faster machine. we will make some crystal and livecd builds over xmas. [16:14] <clifford> daja77: they are still pending. [16:14] <blindcoder> clifford: great! then other people could do the remaining builds (minimal and 2.0) [16:15] <blindcoder> clifford: would it be okay to just collect them at my machine again? [16:15] <clifford> minimal? what for? [16:15] <daja77> clifford: got no answers, apart from the video player thing [16:15] <daja77> haven't tracked all changes on rock though, due work :( [16:15] <blindcoder> clifford: personally, I like to install a machine with minimal and then build from there [16:15] <blindcoder> at least for servers [16:16] <clifford> blindcoder: yes - and that's ok too. but as 21c3 "give-aways" it's imo just very confusing to have that many different things. [16:16] <clifford> imo livecd and crystal should be enough for most people. [16:16] <hannes_> blindcoder: i'm currently working on an hardendrock target with selinux support [16:17] <hannes_> blindcoder: it's very minimal [16:17] <hannes_> blindcoder: but i don't know if i get it ready for 21c3 [16:17] <hannes_> blindcoder: some weirdness with all the policies [16:17] <blindcoder> clifford: hmm, guess you're right there. So we'd have the following: livecd and crystal from 2.1, bbs and crystal-emu from 2.0 [16:20] <clifford> what's "bbs" ? [16:20] <blindcoder> build boot strap [16:21] <mnemoc> bolletin board system? [16:23] <blindcoder> clifford: I would like to have a DVD with bbs for generic, pmmx, p2 and p3 as well as all sources [16:23] <blindcoder> so you just throw in the DVD and off you are [16:23] <clifford> sounds nice. [16:24] <hannes_> blindcoder: can i help you burning the dvds? [16:24] <blindcoder> and on a second one have the crystal-emu for same optimisations. [16:24] <blindcoder> hannes_: sure :) [16:24] <blindcoder> I just can't do anything for AMD processors [16:25] <hannes_> blindcoder: i'm sure fake can do the builds for AMD [16:27] <blindcoder> hannes_: fake will be busy with building 2.1 [16:33] <hannes_> blindcoder: someone in my WG has an AMD machine running linux [16:33] <hannes_> blindcoder: i will ask him, when he is back from uni [16:34] <blindcoder> great [16:34] <blindcoder> well, I'm still waiting for th to decide on the crystal-emu thing [16:34] <blindcoder> so maybe it's just bbs [16:34] <hannes_> i'm afraid building rock on a suse machine =) [16:36] <hannes_> blindcoder: ok, just tell me [16:41] Action: blindcoder going to hotel [16:41] <blindcoder> bye [16:42] <hannes_> bye blindcoder! [16:52] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) joined #rocklinux. [16:52] <madtux> hello. [16:53] <daja77> mike! [16:55] <mnemoc> wb beachtux [16:55] <madtux> danke [16:55] <daja77> :p [16:55] <madtux> hi daniel! [16:55] <madtux> :) [16:58] <hannes_> hi madtux [16:58] <madtux> hi [17:21] Nick change: BoS -> BoS|afk [17:43] SteffenP (steffen@p3E9EAC94.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [17:45] <hannes_> https://www.planetvip.de/vip2/php/smf/index.php?topic=233.0 [17:45] <hannes_> alcohol makes people really stupid [17:46] <netrunner> is there a way to see which char I have? (special char) in c [17:46] <netrunner> my t68i sends something weird for joystick up [18:00] <netrunner> got it. [18:04] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) left irc: "leaving" [18:21] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) joined #rocklinux. [18:53] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABBEC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:18] <netrunner> how do I properly add a package to import/cpan? [19:30] <th> hannes_: i dont understand your 2004120616373101496; isn't that patch a no-op? [19:31] <hannes_> th: no. if i change the order of the lines the install process creates a /usr/lib/libdm.so link to /lib/libdm.so [19:31] <hannes_> otherwise not [19:32] <th> i suppose that might be because in the new order the libdir is not defined in the var_append line? [19:32] <th> s,libdir,$libdir variable, [19:33] <hannes_> jop, it has the default settings from rock [19:33] <hannes_> i had lots of probs with all the dmapi/acl/attr stuff [19:33] <th> so why don't you remove the libdir assignment? [19:33] <hannes_> because he has to search in /lib for all the libs [19:34] <hannes_> ahh..okay, it could work [19:35] <th> hannes_: did you send a xfsprogs update too? [19:35] <hannes_> but if you have subscribed the submaster lists you have seen all the probs i had with them [19:35] <hannes_> th: jop [19:35] <hannes_> th: to 2.6.25 [19:35] <th> hannes_: exactly. that's what stable has since 2.0.3 ;) [19:36] <th> in fact i'm getting all those submaster mails [19:36] <hannes_> you saw all that discarding patch and submitted new patch by me [19:37] <hannes_> i just got finished one package and then i realised a libattr.so -> libattr.so [19:37] <hannes_> and empty lib*.la files [19:37] <hannes_> and all that stuff [19:37] <hannes_> th: why did you update xfsprogs in stable and not in trunk? [19:39] <th> hannes_: i'm not doing testbuilds in trunk. i'm not committing untested patches. thus i did not commit the update to trunk. but... [19:39] <th> hannes_: i asked blindy to test a simple bump (that was what i did in stable) [19:39] <th> hannes_: but he said it failed due to some libtool problems [19:40] <hannes_> jop, that were the sames i had in the last times [19:40] <hannes_> --tags were not specoified or the la files were empty [19:41] <hannes_> i hope they will all compile in clifford's refbuild [19:50] <netrunner> how do I properly add a package to import/cpan? [19:51] <hannes_> netrunner: look at /import/cpanhosted_cpan.cfg [19:51] <hannes_> import/cpan/hosted_cpan.cfg [19:51] <hannes_> i think you only have to place your pkg there [19:52] <hannes_> just try it out ;) [19:55] <hannes_> netrunner: or just look at an old patch in submaster [19:57] <netrunner> hannes_: this says it is auto-generated from ..txt [19:58] <netrunner> hm. it's doing something. [19:59] <hannes_> netrunner: die hosted_cpan.desc, hosted_cpan.sel, hosted_cpan.cfg are autogenerated from hosted_cpan.txt [20:00] <hannes_> netrunner: so only put something in hosted_cpan.txt [20:07] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-213-023-207-045.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:18] kasc (kasc@dsl-213-023-193-088.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:18] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [20:18] <netrunner> hannes_: thx, got it now. [20:18] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABBEC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:19] <hannes_> netrunner: just positive thinking ;) [20:30] Action: netrunner adding patch support to import/cpan ... [20:30] <netrunner> c [20:30] <netrunner> oups :) [20:31] <hannes_> netrunner: ?? [20:31] <hannes_> netrunner: can't understand you :D [20:34] <hannes_> netrunner: ohhh, i read cups and not oups [20:34] <hannes_> netrunner: now i know why i did not understood you ;) [20:35] SteffenP (~steffen@p548043E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:39] <hannes_> hi SteffenP [20:40] <netrunner> :) [20:41] <SteffenP> hi hannes_ [20:41] <SteffenP> the HD is working.. :o) [20:41] <hannes_> df -h ? [20:41] <SteffenP> now i'll have to sort all files [20:41] <SteffenP> only 160GB [20:41] <hannes_> SteffenP: say me what you need and i will fire up my rsyncs =D [20:42] <SteffenP> hannes later first i want to save another HD and format it with ext3 [20:43] <hannes_> try xfs. i just updated the new xfsprogs [20:43] <hannes_> there are really some funny progs in [20:43] <hannes_> like xfs_freeze [20:44] <SteffenP> hmm i will stay with ext3 is not so fast but works fine and i had no crashs ever.. so [20:44] <th> SteffenP: you wont find a fs more stable than xfs. [20:46] <SteffenP> hmmm.. [20:48] <hannes_> i recently switched all machines to xfs [20:48] <hannes_> and even lots of cool tools ;) [20:48] <SteffenP> i don't need tools.. i just need something what is running nice and does it's job every day.. [20:49] <hannes_> try it. no probs till now.. [20:50] <SteffenP> hmmm... uhm i'm already copying the files to the new hd [20:50] Action: hannes_ checks if the reiser4fs patch is in linus-kernel tree [20:52] <SteffenP> now i have a error... where does rock save the downloads? [20:53] <netrunner> SteffenP: in download/ :) [20:53] <hannes_> download/mirror/ :) [20:54] <SteffenP> hmm oky i found it.... but why is it downloading tcl8.4.4 and trying to unpack 8.4.6? [20:55] <hannes_> erm... [20:55] <hannes_> a feature... [20:55] <netrunner> :) [20:55] <hannes_> SteffenP: are you sure? [20:56] Action: netrunner has ftp://tcl.activestate.com/pub/tcl/tcl8_4/tcl8.4.6-src.tar.gz [20:56] <hannes_> there is an update to 8.4.7 in submaster [20:56] <netrunner> why does this f** cpan.conf get evaluated twice? grml. [20:56] <SteffenP> moment i'll reconnect with the other comp. [20:56] <SteffenP> brb [20:56] SteffenP (~steffen@p548043E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [20:58] SteffenP (~steffen@p548043E6.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:59] <SteffenP> so i am back [21:00] <madtux> so welcome back [21:00] <SteffenP> [D] 2059488128 tcl8.4.4-src.tar.gz ftp://tcl.activestate.com/pub/tcl/tcl8_4/ [21:00] <SteffenP> [D] 2035285416 tk8.4.4-src.tar.gz ftp://tcl.activestate.com/pub/tcl/tcl8_4/ [21:00] <SteffenP> this is what gets downloaded [21:01] <hannes_> SteffenP: heck, no... [21:01] <SteffenP> i just see there is a difference in tk and tktcl [21:01] <SteffenP> hmm [21:02] <hannes_> SteffenP: tcl should be at least 8.4.7 [21:02] <hannes_> in an current tree [21:02] <hannes_> s/an/a [21:02] <SteffenP> i have tk and tktcl as two different things? [21:03] <hannes_> tk is a standalone package in version 8.4.6 [21:03] <SteffenP> ahh oky.. then i'll install only tktcl [21:04] <netrunner> hannes_: but it depends on tcl, no? [21:04] <hannes_> netrunner: it has to [21:04] <netrunner> :) [21:04] <hannes_> the cache files says yes [21:05] <netrunner> SteffenP: so you should install at least tcl, and tktcl additionally. [21:05] Action: hannes_ updating tk to 8.4.8 [21:05] <hannes_> what is this tktcl you talk all about? [21:06] <hannes_> me and rock don't know such a package =) [21:06] <netrunner> he said it. [21:06] <hannes_> s/me and rock/rock and me/ [21:06] <SteffenP> err tcltk [21:06] <SteffenP> sorry.. [21:08] <hannes_> why is there also a tcltk-package? [21:08] <SteffenP> i don't know [21:09] <SteffenP> i'm not installing tk and tcl as standalone package [21:09] <hannes_> ehh...it's really there [21:09] <hannes_> O_o [21:10] <hannes_> is this package necessary? [21:10] <SteffenP> hmm some tools need them.. [21:10] <SteffenP> but i can't say what tool.. [21:10] <SteffenP> hmm maybe i won't need it [21:11] <hannes_> i delete it [21:19] <hannes_> hmm [21:19] <hannes_> there is something broken :/ [21:21] <SteffenP> why? [21:21] <hannes_> i don't know [21:22] <SteffenP> with the tk thing? [21:22] <hannes_> the tcl.conf scripts [21:22] <hannes_> jop [21:28] <SteffenP> i'm now only using the tcltk stuff in there i have both [21:28] <SteffenP> and the tcl and tk alone packages i won't use [21:29] <hannes_> normally the tk stuff is build after tcl and the tcl.conf should also config the tk package [21:40] <hannes_> i don't know. i'll check it tomorrow(hopefully someone else has checked it till then) [21:53] esden (~esden@p50805CD1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: [21:55] <mnemoc> https://khason.biz/blog/2004/12/why-microsoft-can-blow-off-with-c.html [21:56] <hannes_> somehow this link appeared this morning, too [21:56] <hannes_> =) [21:56] <mnemoc> :( [21:56] Captain (~Captain@d142-59-231-163.abhsia.telus.net) joined #rocklinux. [21:57] <hannes_> mnemoc: my prof loves c# and wants all of us learn this programming language [21:57] <hannes_> mnemoc: but he is afraid of all the linux freaks [21:57] <hannes_> mnemoc: and so we have to learn java =) [21:58] <mnemoc> i hate java :\ [21:58] <hannes_> mnemoc: me too [21:58] <hannes_> but currently we use it only for writing some mathematical algorithms [21:58] <hannes_> it's ok there [21:59] <mnemoc> java's restrictions sucks more than their chaotic framework :) [21:59] <hannes_> though i am only doing imperative programming in java :D [22:00] <mnemoc> :) [22:00] <hannes_> writing everything in one _very_ big java file and then i'm happy [22:00] <mnemoc> :| [22:01] <hannes_> somehow java is really crap [22:01] <hannes_> i think c/c++ is much more platformindependent than java [22:02] <hannes_> mnemoc: https://i71ipo.cm-tm.uni-karlsruhe.de:8443/ipo14/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_pane/P-fe69c071dd-10001 [22:02] <mnemoc> *click* [22:02] <hannes_> you see what i mean? [22:03] <mnemoc> babelfish can't traslate https :( [22:03] <hannes_> different downloads for linux/macosX/windows... [22:03] <hannes_> that's java source! [22:04] <mnemoc> o_O [22:04] <mnemoc> fsck portatility :| [22:04] <hannes_> that's how they teach programming at university [22:05] <SteffenP> oky good night everyone i'm on my way to bed [22:05] SteffenP (~steffen@p548043E6.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [22:05] <mnemoc> so, i should not despise my third-world university... it's at european level :p [22:08] <hannes_> :D [22:08] <hannes_> that's why i'll try to get out of germany after my pre-diploma [22:09] <hannes_> in russia they have very nice universities [22:10] <hannes_> they are all very theoretical [22:10] <hannes_> but of the most i heard only positive stuff [22:14] tcr (~tcr@pD9EABC7F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:28] <treo> gn8 [22:28] treo (~xfman@Daab9.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [22:31] <hannes_> gnu n8! 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