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[00:02] <ojh> WAIT! The file /home/omer/data/GEMS/dbus-0.22.tar.bz2 appeared in the directory I'm working with . . . . so it worked?
[00:04] <ojh> OK :) I now have dbus-0.22.gem !!!! IT WORKED! And I just made a text file with a note so I can remember how this works . . . 
[00:06] <ojh> I should write a HOWTO on building packages . . .
[00:08] <ojh> So would I be correct in guessing that a ROCKET repository is a matter of uploading to an FTP server GEM files and, by the fact that I saw the option in the rocket help, an index file?
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[00:12] <esden> hi ho everyone
[00:12] <ojh> Yes, ROX/0install use dbus for the communication between the System level components and the User components. That way the Lazy-Fs file system can launch a progress indicator to provide feedback to the user as files ate being downloaded to the cashe.
[00:12] <daja77> hi & bye esden 
[00:21] <esden> ohh ... hi daja77 
[00:22] <esden> I did not think that anyone is still online
[00:22] <esden> but I should have expected it
[00:22] <esden> ;)
[00:33] <ojh> OK, now that I have generated my 'gem' files do I have any need of the tarballs generated in this process or can I just delete them?
[00:33] <mnemoc> flush them
[00:33] <mnemoc> purge them
[00:34] <ojh> Done :)
[00:34] <mnemoc> :)
[00:34] <ojh> Now I have:
[00:34] <ojh> globulation2-0.8.9.gem       liquidwar-5.6.2.gem
[00:34] <ojh> armagetron-0.2.5.2.gem  grip-3.2.0.gem               penguin-command-1.6.8.gem
[00:34] <ojh> d4x-2.03.gem            gtk-smooth-engine-0.5.8.gem
[00:34] <ojh> dbus-0.22.gem           gxine-0.3.3.gem
[00:35] <ojh> Does anyone have a place they would like to upload these packages to?
[00:36] <mnemoc> sharing .gem files is a problem, two packages of the same version can be completely different
[00:37] <ojh> Depending on the build environment . . . .
[00:38] <ojh> That may be a real issue with packages like gxine that will likely only work with the same xine-libs.
[00:39] <ojh> But has the library locations, etc. changed between releases of dROCK?
[00:39] <mnemoc> you can share an maintain a whole build, with all it's .gem file
[00:39] <mnemoc> your desktop can be _very_ different than mine :)
[00:39] <mnemoc> including prefixes
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[00:41] <owl> hi
[00:41] <mnemoc> hi owlinnette
[00:41] <esden> hi owl
[00:41] <mnemoc> -n
[00:41] <owl> hi mnemoc , esden 
[00:41] <ojh> Well, :) this issue is one of my main motivations for getting 0install up and running on ROCK. Then all but the most basic dependencies can be transparently provided by the repository, almost a 'meta-distro' that can live on top of most any other.
[00:43] <ojh> Too bad the install process for the Lazy-FS module is so crazy . . . . the proper build file for ROCK is going to take a while.
[00:44] <ojh> Has anyone else here been following the progress of Zero-Install?
[00:45] <mnemoc> that would be really cool
[00:45] <mnemoc> i haven't heard before about zero install on rock
[00:46] <ojh> I have it up and running, and all of the ROX-Desktop is running off of the 0install server. :) I am using it now.
[00:47] <ojh> But I manually compiled and installed, the config file for a ROCK build is a bit tricky.
[00:47] <mnemoc> :o
[00:48] <ojh> I can run all the executables from the floppy based 0install linux system with all the libs except for linking against my kernel, loaded from the 0install site.
[00:49] <ojh> Iff I 'ldd' any of the executables from the site all libs including ld.linux and glibc are from the server rather then the ROCK install.
[00:49] <mnemoc> :o
[00:50] <mnemoc> you may want to write a mail about that to RLML
[00:50] <ojh> Really the kernel is the only thing local being used.
[00:50] <ojh> This could be the 'magic bullet' for application distribuation on Linux :)
[00:51] <mnemoc> :D
[00:52] <ojh> I am following how the ROCK build scripts work to create a simular set of scripts to compile programs inside of the 0install namespace.
[00:53] <ojh> Then adding an application to a 0install site would be as easy as the desc files in ROCK.
[00:54] <ojh> If you think that large applications are a problem with 0install I am also running Mozilla FireFox and Java directly from the demonstration 0install sites.
[00:55] <ojh> I 'installed' the Java plugin by simlinking from the 0install site to the plugins folder.
[00:55] <ojh> It runs great :)
[00:56] <mnemoc> what you have done over rock is amazing :)
[00:58] <ojh> I did it first, exactly the same, on top of RedHat 9 (before I trashed my system partition and decided to try ROCK)
[00:59] <ojh> The basic binary compatabilty issue on Linux really does not seem as bad as some seem to indicate.
[00:59] <mnemoc> brb
[01:00] <fake> Error logs from crystal-2.1.0-DEV-powerpc-powerpc-604e-crystal-expert: 
[01:00] <fake> 312 builds total, 236 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[01:00] <fake> yeah, that's the ticket, baby
[01:01] <ojh> fake: Cool!
[01:03] <ojh> My basic intention with ROCK is to create a minimal foundation distribuation (the BED-ROCK if you will) for building a platform for ROX with 0install distribuated applications. (ROX on ROCK, pun intended . . . .)
[01:04] <fake> ROCK ROX ;)
[01:04] <fake> ROX ROCKS?
[01:04] <ojh> 'BED-ROCK' . . . . . . I like the sound of that . . . . .
[01:04] <ojh> LOL
[01:05] <ojh> Or 'ROCK ROX' . . . . . that works :D
[01:09] <ojh> My basic assesment is that ROCK provides an elegent inferstructure for maintaining the core OS, provide updates and drivers by gem based binary updates and provide user level applications over the 0install network.
[01:13] <esden> ojh: you say it
[01:14] <ojh> The goal of this project is something that is a bit more automated then the current 'Desktop Computing' way. The box I envision would come fully configured and ready to go. Being based on a _STABLE_ and _SECURE_ OS the end user should really never need to preform any root level tasks. 0install provides effertless acces to application software without any esclation of privlage like all existing systems have required.
[01:20] <ojh> Also that is why I was impressed with ROCK-PLUG. If any user added hardware is on the USB or other really autodetection friendly bus the system should be able to set up the hardware without user intervention. For example I like how the partition just appears inside of /dev/ . . ./partX when I plug in any USB storage devices. The new /dev system is really great for detecting new devices when plugging them in.
[01:26] <esden> hehe ... ojh you sound like a pr man of a firm trying to sell vaporware ;)
[01:30] <ojh> More of a dream . . . . at least what I think can be done about the usability of computers in general and Linux in particular. An it beats rehashing the same old arguments on /. about why Linux is not ready for the mythical 'Desktop'.
[01:31] <owl> gn8
[01:33] <ojh> Its not that Linux is not ready for the 'Desktop' its just that the 'desktop' concept is BROKEN!
[01:34] <ojh> I USED to work at a MAJOR anti-virus company, todays computing solution is BADLY BROKEN!! But that is not really news to people like you and I . . . 
[01:36] <ojh> End users want a computer that JUST WORKS!! Not one that is a WAR ZONE with advertisers and script kiddies becuse of the pathetic swiss-cheese of an 'operating system'
[01:36] <mnemoc> re
[01:37] <ojh> </END_RANT>
[01:39] <ojh> What I have been working on is closer to an embeded system, or sorta-thin client then the current 'desktop' OSes or Linux distributions.
[01:39] <mnemoc> do you have a written descrition of your conception of desktop? public?} :
[01:40] <mnemoc> do you have a written descrition of your conception of desktop? public? :)
[01:40] <mnemoc> *lag*
[01:41] <esden> n8 ojh
[01:41] <esden> ok ... I go to bed too
[01:41] <esden> good n8
[01:42] <mnemoc> gn8 esden, ojh 
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[01:43] <ojh> Well, I would say that the problem with the current Desktop is that it forces the user to be the administrator. You need to have Administrator privlage on $THAT_OTHER_OS to do ANYTHING usefull even if you never touch a system configuration or change anything from defaults.
[01:45] <ojh> I do know that $DIFERENT_OSX is much less so, but if installing anything you still need to asume root level access.
[01:47] <ojh> Computers _SHOULD_ be able to manage them selves better then they do, With the hardware tech that exists and inteligently designed software systems they can.
[01:48] <ojh> . . . . . Or I could be a hopeless dreamer . . . . .
[01:50] <mnemoc> control as far as they can't damage the system :)
[01:51] <ojh> And what does the typical user want to control?
[01:52] <ojh>  . . . . . . . . Applications.
[01:52] <mnemoc> you tell me :)
[01:52] <mnemoc> *lag*
[01:57] <ojh> The just want a box that runs application programs and has input/outputs to graphic/console/print/image aquisition/network hardware. The do not want to be an OS administrator/pest contro/troubleshooter. They want something we would find too boring. A box that runs applications and otherwise is as exciting as a toster-oven.
[01:57] <mnemoc> =)
[01:58] <ojh> Like a lot of truths, its TOO OBVOUS for most to see . . . .
[02:06] <ojh> Good night all. Thanks for the help with packages :)
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[05:42] <hannes_> moin
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[08:24] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:26] <hannes_> hi blindcoder 
[08:26] <blindcoder> moin hannes_ 
[08:29] <blindcoder> 314 builds total, 235 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[08:29] <blindcoder> building for a few days now
[08:29] <blindcoder> default-2.1.0-DEV-x86-k6-2-32-crystal
[08:30] <hannes_> 315 builds total, 226 completed fine, 1 with errors.
[08:30] <hannes_> pentium-m-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-m-32-crystal
[08:31] <hannes_> groff hat gefailed, ist nur ein optimisation error
[08:31] <blindcoder> wenns weiter nichts ist :)
[08:31] <blindcoder> mit groff hatte ich auf P4 auch probleme :(
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[08:32] <hannes_> blindcoder: die hast du auch bei p3 schon
[08:32] <hannes_> vielleicht sollte man optimierung fuer dieses paket ausschalten?
[08:33] Action: hannes_ switches to english back
[08:34] <blindcoder> well, with P3 it worked
[08:34] <blindcoder> otherwise there would be no LVP for P3 :)
[08:35] <hannes_> hm..strange
[08:35] <hannes_> i'm very sure it did not build with p3 optimisation
[08:35] <blindcoder> well, it did here
[08:36] <blindcoder> because I need it in LVP (for xfree
[08:36] <hannes_> the pentium-m optimisation code depends a lot of the p3 optimisation code
[08:37] <blindcoder> well, it worked when building on a P4 for P3
[09:50] <blindcoder> heh, even Solaris has the "gesundbooten" mode :D
[09:52] <nzg> gesundbooten?
[09:52] <blindcoder> yes, booting the system back to a healthy state :)
[09:53] <nzg> ;-) cool name for it 
[10:05] <owl> moin
[10:07] <nzg> moin owl 
[10:11] <blindcoder> moin owl
[10:11] <hannes_> hi owl 
[10:12] <owl> hi nzg , blindcoder , hannes_ 
[11:16] <netrunner> th: 2004120811153619440
[11:36] <netrunner> oh, commit started
[12:49] <mnemoc> moin
[12:57] <blindcoder> clifford: can you send the varadm data of your last revbuild over using the sonar.sh script?
[12:58] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[12:58] <mnemoc> hi blindcoder, SerWou 
[12:59] <mnemoc> hi netrunner, owl, hannes_, et al :)
[13:01] <owl> re. 
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[13:03] <esden> hi ho everyone
[13:03] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[13:04] <blindcoder> moin mnemoc
[13:04] <esden> hi blindcoder 
[13:04] <blindcoder> finally fixed the commit-email for the rockdoc wiki
[13:04] <blindcoder> damn heisenbugs :-)
[13:05] <owl> hi esden .
[13:05] <th> netrunner: what's up with 2004120811153619440?
[13:06] <blindcoder> not that anyone but me is subscribed there :-)
[13:06] <th> blindcoder: please subscribe me
[13:07] <blindcoder> th at rocklinux org?
[13:07] <th> blindcoder: ack
[13:08] <blindcoder> th: done. you can filter by this line:
[13:08] <blindcoder> To: ROCKDoc Commit <rockdoc-commit@scavenger.homeip.net>
[13:08] <blindcoder> or this tag:
[13:08] <blindcoder> Subject: [rockdoc-commit] r86 - trunk/pages
[13:08] <th> blindcoder: thanks
[13:08] <blindcoder> it's a minimalist
[13:09] Action: mnemoc wants to get subscribed!
[13:09] <blindcoder> mnemoc: https://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/ROCKDoc
[13:09] <mnemoc> *click*
[13:09] <blindcoder> there's the information for it :)
[13:10] <blindcoder> note that the list is read-onl
[13:10] <blindcoder> y
[13:11] <mnemoc> obviously
[13:11] <mnemoc> will you mail diffs?
[13:12] <mnemoc> stats? or only message?
[13:12] <th> diffs would be nice
[13:12] Action: mnemoc voted for diffs too
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[13:49] <esden> cool enigmail is back to life ;)
[13:50] <mnemoc> without crashing?
[13:51] <netrunner> th: I only noticed that it is still lingering and fixed it according to your request.
[13:51] <blindcoder> esden: as in working or as in being maintained again?
[13:51] <th> netrunner: ah ok. fine. i thought wanted to tell me to merge it to stable.
[13:51] <esden> blindcoder: as in working
[13:51] <esden> it is being very actively maintained
[13:51] <tfing> blindcoder: i saw your mail on the swsusp mailing list, how long does it take for you to hibernate ?
[13:52] <esden> it is the most importaint extention of thunderbird
[13:52] <blindcoder> tfing: swsusp? I wrote a mail there? when?
[13:53] <tfing> blindcoder: software suspend
[13:53] <blindcoder> tfing: I can't really remember having done that...
[13:53] <blindcoder> is there a webarchive somewhere?
[13:53] <tfing> hmm, maybe it's not you in fact
[13:53] <tfing> From: Benjamin Schindler <bschindler@student.ethz.ch>
[13:53] <tfing> your names are too close :)
[13:53] <tfing> i misread it
[13:53] <mnemoc> o_O
[13:53] <hannes_> *gg*
[13:54] <esden> blindcoder: it is probably the other you ... 
[13:54] <esden> you only switched some characters in your family name ;)
[13:54] <tfing> i stopped parsing after 'Benjamin Sch' :)
[13:54] <blindcoder> tfing: okay, no problem :)
[13:54] <blindcoder> esden: I doubt that I"m a student in .ch :P
[13:55] <esden> blindcoder: who knows what your other you is doing ...
[13:55] <esden> you can never know ;)
[13:55] <blindcoder> esden: I don't know. I don't wanna know.
[13:55] <esden> lol
[13:55] <netrunner> th: well you can merge it :)
[13:55] <th> netrunner: 1.0 is in stable since it's released ;)
[13:56] <th> netrunner: e.g. i waited with 2.0.3 for it to be released.
[13:57] <esden> blindcoder: that is normal that you try not to see and realize the other personality you have ... that is why split personalities exist after all ;)
[13:58] <esden> blindcoder: have you installed skype or sjphone?
[13:58] <blindcoder> esden: I've been in Munich since Monday morning
[13:58] <hannes_> there is somewhere a bindcoder fork out there that can suspend?
[13:58] <blindcoder> will only return to berlin this evening
[13:58] <blindcoder> ^Z
[13:58] <esden> ohh ... why don't you tell me that?
[13:58] <blindcoder> esden: I think I did...
[13:58] <esden> blindcoder: you could come over to eching and visit me ;)
[13:58] <blindcoder> esden: I"m in Heimstetten @SUN
[13:58] <esden> blindcoder: humm ... you did? ... hrm
[13:59] <blindcoder> for AIP-500 certification
[13:59] <esden> blindcoder: yes right
[13:59] <esden> I think you told me ...
[13:59] <esden> damn ... dumb me
[13:59] <blindcoder> nah, just a bit "zerstreut" :)
[14:00] <esden> lol ... I am just a bit vaporized ... lol
[14:11] <netrunner> how can I force a lib to be searched in the current dir?
[14:15] <blindcoder> LD_LIBRARY_PATH="." command
[14:20] <fake> moin
[14:20] <hannes_> hi fake 
[14:21] <blindcoder> moin moin fake 
[14:26] <esden> moin fake 
[14:39] <fake> hm, i think i'm gonna rediff the gnome 2.8.1 update
[14:39] <fake> perhaps then it's more popular ;)
[14:40] <tfing> fake: did you have a look at the poor one i had made ?
[14:41] <fake> tfing: no - i didn't update gnome inentionally, it was just a few packages in the beginning... and then it turned out i need to update it all ... kinda weird.
[14:42] <tfing> ok
[14:42] <blindcoder> gnome dep hell
[14:43] <tfing> as usual :)
[15:02] <fake> hey cool
[15:02] <fake> openvpn 2.0 rc1
[15:05] <hannes_> fake: cool! any new features?
[15:06] <mnemoc> fake: you want that on trunk?
[15:06] <fake> mnemoc: would be cool
[15:06] <mnemoc> fake: i skiped it on my current update bunch, but i can add it
[15:07] <fake> mnemoc: you once sent me a minimal gnome package selection and i can't find it anymore
[15:07] <fake> mnemoc: can you point me to it again?
[15:09] <mnemoc> fake: queried, but it is kind of outdated
[15:11] <fake> mnemoc: thanks, i'll adopt it
[15:11] <fake> mnemoc: i want to be able to test gnome stuff faster...
[15:12] <fake> Error logs from crystal-2.1.0-DEV-powerpc-powerpc-604e-crystal-expert:
[15:12] <fake> 312 builds total, 294 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[15:12] <fake> yeah
[15:12] <daja77> <- 2303
[15:13] Nick change: BoS|afk -> BoS^home
[15:23] <netrunner> *rofl* (ger) https://www.compadre.de/kinder.shtml
[15:50] <mnemoc> does compadre means something on german?
[15:51] <mnemoc> it's an old chilean word to say 'pal'
[15:53] <fake> no special german meaning, no
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[16:03] <madtux> good day.
[16:03] <madtux> clifford: awake?
[16:03] <mnemoc> hi madtux 
[16:03] <madtux> hello mnemoc 
[16:05] <daja77> fake: do i need to enable a special port for skype in iptables?
[16:06] <madtux> skype skype skype!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
[16:06] <daja77> hm?
[16:07] <madtux> i see skype everywhere.. 
[16:07] <daja77> sorry 
[16:07] <hannes_> madtux: ??
[16:07] <fake> daja77: no idea
[16:07] <fake> daja77: not that i'd know of
[16:08] <fake> not to my knowledge i mean
[16:08] <blindcoder> WEE
[16:08] <daja77> that crap isn't working somehow
[16:08] <madtux> hannes_: relax i just wanna tease daja77 
[16:08] <madtux> :)
[16:08] Action: blindcoder now AIP-500 certified :D
[16:09] <hannes_> blindcoder: do you got a stamp on your ass?
[16:09] <blindcoder> yeah, big and shiny
[16:09] <blindcoder> want to see?
[16:09] <fake> the ass?
[16:09] <fake> *g*
[16:09] <hannes_> jep =)
[16:09] <fake> j/k
[16:09] <blindcoder> hannes_: okay, step by berlin and you will :D
[16:10] <fake> damn, where did i drop my application...
[16:10] <hannes_> fake: you send some applications out?
[16:10] <blindcoder> fake: /usr/bin/ ?
[16:11] <fake> hannes_: yes
[16:11] <madtux> anyone could let me know what are the main changes between mine 0.19 and 0.20?
[16:11] <hannes_> fake: cool. to where?
[16:11] <fake> hannes_: vienna
[16:12] <hannes_> fake: cool
[16:12] <madtux> ...please...
[16:12] <blindcoder> madtux: no idea, sorry
[16:12] <mnemoc> madtux: :)
[16:12] <hannes_> madtux: nor me, sty
[16:12] <madtux> ok
[16:12] <fake> madtux: it's in a svn repos
[16:13] <madtux> fake: aight.
[16:15] Action: blindcoder gone
[16:17] <fake> svn diff svn://www.rocklinux.net/mine/tags/mine-0.19 svn://www.rocklinux.net/mine/tags/mine-0.20
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[16:26] <treo> sali
[16:26] <mnemoc> hehe
[16:32] <owl> god, i'm HATING!!! asus! my notebook which came back from repair is defect - again, or still!!!!!!!! could someone please tell me either that this is an alpmare and not real, or shot me? tia.
[16:33] <madtux> owlita i'm sorry to hear that
[16:33] <fake> nightmare
[16:34] <esden> ok ... cigarette time
[16:34] <madtux> owl: put it a box and send it to me i will smash it for you.
[16:34] <esden> anyone joining me?
[16:34] <madtux> esden: sure.
[16:34] <madtux> :)
[16:34] <esden> hehe
[16:36] Action: fake lights a cigarette
[16:36] <owl> madtux: nope. bad idea. i need the money... and after the 5th defect (4th in a 3/4 year) there should be a chance to bring it back to my special friends of asus... well... at least my lawyer sees a bit of a chance. :(
[16:38] Action: owl wants a bottle of wodka. 
[16:39] <madtux> i can give u vodka
[16:40] <owl> madtux: thx. ;)
[16:40] <madtux> would it be ok? i for no wodka :)
[16:40] <madtux> i got no wodka*
[16:41] <owl> huh?
[16:41] <madtux> i'm teasing u deak
[16:41] <madtux> dear*
[16:42] <madtux> is just funny to see germans writing stuff that goes with V with a W just because u pronounce the W like we pronounce the V :)
[16:42] <madtux> - not willing offend anyone of so btw -
[16:42] <owl> :p well, how was the writing in russian? guess with v, too? *having not much russian knowledge anymore* :(
[16:43] <madtux> :)
[16:43] <mnemoc> madtux: example?
[16:45] <madtux> mnemoc: vodka wodka ?
[16:45] <madtux> y los bochos :)
[16:45] <mnemoc> hehe
[16:48] <esden> re
[16:49] <madtux> wb esden 
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[16:58] <netrunner> owl: you learned russian?
[16:59] <mnemoc> i thought half germans learned russian, doesn't they?
[16:59] <madtux> mnemoc: "don't they"
[17:00] <SteffenP> mnemoc: no they don't
[17:00] <SteffenP> only 16mio germans had to lern russian..
[17:00] <mnemoc> oh
[17:00] <mnemoc> how many germans there are?
[17:00] <madtux> alot? maybe more
[17:00] <SteffenP> around 82mio
[17:00] <mnemoc> wow
[17:01] <mnemoc> those are lot of germans
[17:01] <madtux> mnemoc: do you know whats the pop in brasil?
[17:01] <SteffenP> hmm not enough..
[17:01] <madtux> 173mil..
[17:01] <madtux> thats scary
[17:02] <madtux> my pretty little country has got only 4mil in total.. and 1mil of those are inmigrants
[17:02] <SteffenP> madtux from where you are?
[17:02] <madtux> SteffenP: Costa Rica.
[17:03] <mnemoc> 200k people? :)
[17:03] <SteffenP> hmmm.. can i ask again where is this country? 
[17:03] <madtux> SteffenP: central america
[17:03] <mnemoc> :D
[17:04] <mnemoc> between mexico and colombia :p
[17:04] <madtux> mnemoc: i don't actually blame him... cr is way too small
[17:04] <madtux> but its an amazing country
[17:04] <mnemoc> pictures are wonderful
[17:04] <SteffenP> ahh oky
[17:05] <mnemoc> btw, i was not blaming SteffenP, i was teasing madtux :)
[17:05] <madtux> mnemoc: wtf are u talking about? u live at the very end of the world
[17:05] <madtux> :)
[17:06] <SteffenP> hmm untill today i knew this country only as destination point of some full-hotel tevelings..  for two week vacations
[17:06] <mnemoc> we have half of the pacific shore of south america :)
[17:06] <madtux> i can go tot he pacific or the caribean in less than 1 hour drive :)
[17:07] <mnemoc> :(
[17:10] <SteffenP> next place to go to for a big sea would be: 7-8 hours (now at winter time sometimes 12hours or more) to Baltic Sea (Ostsee) and Northsea (Nordsee) or 8 hours for Adria and Mediteran Sea.
[17:11] <madtux> mnemoc: we have volcanos, do u ?
[17:11] <mnemoc> much more than you :)
[17:13] <madtux> but u don't have more biodiverstity than we do :)
[17:14] <mnemoc> madtux: https://www.sernatur.cl/inicio.htm
[17:15] <mnemoc> we are a looooooooooooong country
[17:15] <madtux> i insist.
[17:15] <madtux> :)
[17:15] <SteffenP> oky i'll have to g9o cu later all
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[17:16] <madtux> now stop distracting me and let me go back to my code..
[17:16] <madtux> actually u have to back to ur code too :)
[17:16] <mnemoc> madtux: take a look into sernatur's page
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[17:21] <madtux> mnemoc: nota that used the word "biodiversity" not amounts of land used for national parks and so :)
[17:22] <mnemoc> madtux: i know
[17:22] <hannes_> kde 3.3.2 is released
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[17:31] <mnemoc> madtux: i forgot to say, you don't have pinguins :)
[17:32] <madtux> you little @#%#$^&@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:32] <mnemoc> :p
[17:50] <esden> ping fake 
[17:55] <fake> pong
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[19:56] <hannes_> how can i lookup the *.desc file for a pkgforked pkg?
[19:57] <hannes_> is there a file where all the mappings are stored?
[19:59] <mnemoc> hannes_: parse using the '='
[20:00] <hannes_> hmm..ok
[20:00] <hannes_> the gcc pkgs are not real pkgforked pkgs but how can i handle them
[20:01] <hannes_> when my input is the dep_db.txt?
[20:02] <hannes_> mnemoc: ok, i got it
[20:02] <hannes_> just a typo...
[20:03] <hannes_> i just thought thats because of pkgforking
[20:03] <mnemoc> :)
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[20:03] <mnemoc> dep_db.txt seems to be outdated btw
[20:03] <madtux> re
[20:03] <daja77> wb
[20:04] <mnemoc> hi madtux da     
[20:04] <mnemoc> daja77*
[20:04] <madtux> ?
[20:04] <madtux> hallo daja77 
[20:04] <mnemoc> can't i say hello to you now?
[20:04] <madtux> hola mnemoc 
[20:04] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
[20:04] <daja77> hi madtux 
[20:05] <daja77> .oO (6letternicks rule)
[20:05] <mnemoc> hola
[20:05] <mnemoc> *laaaaaaaag*
[20:05] <hannes_> mnemoc: show the results of misc/archive/showdeps.sh don't represent the real deps?
[20:06] <mnemoc> deps are catched from .cache files
[20:06] <hannes_> mnemoc: ok, and i need a mapping from for example linux26-header to linux
[20:07] <hannes_> mnemoc: so i wonder why the dep_db.txt is outdated
[20:07] <mnemoc> dep_db.txt is used to calculate priorities
[20:07] <mnemoc> was?
[20:08] <hannes_> i just want to add a parameter -showprios to also print the priorities of a package to showdeps.sh
[20:08] <mnemoc> daja77: 6 is the number of perfection on nicks
[20:08] <daja77> mnemoc: yep
[20:08] <mnemoc> grep .descv :)
[20:09] <hannes_> mnemoc: i did so, but there are 2 problems
[20:09] <hannes_> 1. you told me dep_db.txt is outdated, don't know why
[20:09] <hannes_> 2. i cannot resolve pkgs like linux26-headers
[20:09] <hannes_> for point 2 i need some kind of mapping
[20:10] <mnemoc> use .cache, no dep_db.txt
[20:11] <hannes_> but showdeps.sh uses dep_db.txt, too
[20:11] <mnemoc> interesting
[20:12] <hannes_> is there a script to update dep_db.txt out of the cache files?
[20:13] <mnemoc> yep
[20:13] <hannes_> mnemoc: how to use it?
[20:14] <mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-DepDB
[20:14] <mnemoc> i have never used it
[20:14] <mnemoc> all my helpers use .cache
[20:14] <hannes_> i just run it
[20:16] <hannes_> ok, i will leave uni for now
[20:16] <hannes_> i will have a look at it later...
[20:16] <hannes_> bye
[20:16] <mnemoc> cu
[20:26] <esden> Sigh ... finally ... all my music imported to ITunes ... 
[20:27] <esden> I really needed some hours to do that ... *headshake* ... Some people really have a problem naming their mp3's
[20:27] <esden> One has to fix most of the descriptions
[20:27] <esden> thank god ITunes has a pretty intelligent editor to do that
[20:28] <fake> esden: ack
[20:29] <fake> esden: i spent a few days just hacking song names and artists into itunes
[20:30] <esden> Now I instructed ITunes to convert the files I converted earlier from mp3 to ogg back to mp3 so I can upload and play it on my IPod *G*
[20:30] <fake> urghs
[20:30] <esden> I hope that is not a noticable quality loss ... :(
[20:31] <fake> you bet it is...
[20:31] <esden> :(
[20:32] <esden> nonetheless ... now I have 8,6GB that are 7,6 days of nonstop music
[20:32] <esden> in my library
[20:34] <fake> and on your ipod?
[20:34] <esden> yes
[20:35] <esden> the same logically ;)
[20:35] <fake> not necessarily
[20:35] <esden> when I am ready converting from ogg to mp3
[20:45] <blindcoder> back
[20:47] <esden> re blindcoder 
[20:47] <esden> fake:  wonna coffee? I made some ;)
[20:47] <esden> blindcoder: do you want one too?
[20:49] <blindcoder> esden: nah, I just filled my premium espresso beans into my machine to celebrate my certification :D
[20:49] <esden> hehe ... I understand ;)
[20:49] <esden> are you back in berlin now?
[20:50] <blindcoder> yes
[20:50] <esden> ahh ok
[20:50] <esden> we see eachother on next friday anyways ;)
[20:51] <blindcoder> I'm looking forward to it
[21:36] <blindcoder> hrm
[21:36] <blindcoder> I want some "Feuerzangenbowle" now...
[21:50] <esden> humm ... I would like a beer now ...
[21:50] <esden> but here is no beer :(
[21:50] <blindcoder> bad planning
[21:52] <madtux> _NO_ beer?!!
[21:52] <madtux> _NO_BEER_ ?!!?!
[21:52] Action: madtux runs real quick to his kitchen to see if he's got beer
[21:52] <mnemoc> a "german" without beer??
[21:52] <madtux> polish
[21:53] <madtux> :)
[21:53] <blindcoder> he's Polish
[21:53] <madtux> and _YES_ i got beer
[21:53] <madtux> phew
[21:53] <mnemoc> "between quotes"
[21:53] <blindcoder> I don't have beer. It's all empty
[21:53] <esden> gruaaaar
[21:53] <esden> I need to talk with my chef that he buys some beer and puts in the fridge ;)
[21:53] <blindcoder> _good_ idea 
[21:54] <madtux> blindcoder: but it was worth it right? you have a couple of naked drunk girls next to you.. right?
[21:54] <blindcoder> I drank each evening during my certification...
[21:54] <madtux> _RIGHT_ ?
[21:54] <blindcoder> madtux: no. at least not yet
[21:54] <esden> I think I sit enough at work and code for them after hours that I earned it ;)
[21:54] <madtux> OMFG! what a waste of beer
[21:54] <madtux> :P
[21:54] <madtux> esden: u ok?
[21:54] <esden> note: /me still at work ;)
[21:55] <esden> madtux: yes why?
[21:55] <blindcoder> madtux: waste? drinking two beer (the first and the last :D) between certification days rules :)
[21:56] <blindcoder> it makes certification way more entertaning
[21:56] <esden> and chelenging ;)
[21:56] <tcr> Actually, a recent survey showed that the irish people drink more beer on average than the germans, in europe anyway.
[21:56] <blindcoder> tcr: hey, don't look at me like that! I'm really trying hard!
[21:57] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off to bed
[21:57] <blindcoder> good night!
[21:57] <tcr> gn8
[21:57] <esden> good night blindcoder 
[22:22] <owl> netrunner: yeah, a bit... just learned it by myself
[22:23] <fake> owl is talking to absent people?
[22:23] Action: fake watching the neverding story on k1
[22:24] <fake> contrary to other movies i liked when i was young, i still think this movie is great
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[22:40] <owl> fake: yeah, as he did, too :)
[22:44] <|treo|> gn8
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[22:49] <fake> hm
[22:50] <fake> i'd need netrunner right now for bashing the libpng update onto his head few times
[22:51] <owl> hehe. call him :p
[22:51] <fake> does he have voice over ip connectivity?
[22:52] <owl> dunno? 
[22:53] <fake> then how should i call him?
[22:54] <madtux> u can call me if u want. :)
[22:54] <owl> fake: by tel.
[22:56] <fake> uh. how un-geeky 
[22:57] <owl> O_o and?
[22:57] <madtux> give a geek friendly option
[22:58] <madtux> :)
[22:58] <owl> .oO( umts-mobilephone )
[23:00] <esden> *sigh* finally I have commit emails here >_<
[23:00] <madtux> there?
[23:00] <madtux> :)
[23:00] <esden> yes at work
[23:00] <owl> 3
[23:00] <esden> I had problems accessing the email server 
[23:01] <esden> but it works now ... somehow
[23:10] <fake> 4
[23:11] <esden> argh fuck!
[23:11] <esden> damn debian does not have mysql for sparc!
[23:11] <fake> tv total is funny
[23:12] <esden> FAKE I NEED ROCK FOR SPARC ;)
[23:12] <fake> aye!
[23:12] <esden> I need exim svn mysql apach and php
[23:12] <esden> that is all ;)
[23:12] <esden> and base stuff
[23:13] <esden> like a kernel ssh and so ;)
[23:14] <fake> that all builds
[23:14] <madtux> and gnome and kde
[23:14] <madtux> *g*
[23:14] <fake> kde is fine, too
[23:14] <fake> no idea about gnome
[23:14] <madtux> fake: so do u have an iso for sparc64 ?1
[23:14] <madtux> :)
[23:14] <fake> none i'd release...
[23:15] <madtux> would u release one?! _PLEASE_
[23:15] <esden> madtux:  I really need only some basic server stuff
[23:15] <esden> but these lunatics at debian are not even geting that working
[23:16] <esden> *sigh*
[23:16] <fake> madtux: i will
[23:16] <fake> madtux: a crystal will be ready in 1 - 2 weeks...
[23:16] <madtux> esden, fake  i don't even need the server stuff.. if i get the basic stuff i can build my own
[23:17] <fake> madtux: i succesfully bootstrapped using a cross-compile... 
[23:17] <fake> ... though it was nasty.
[23:17] <fake> no the cd-installed and stuff works.
[23:17] <fake> *installer
[23:17] <fake> *now
[23:17] <madtux> i see
[23:17] <madtux> i could try
[23:17] <madtux> i will try.
[23:17] <fake> or you wait one more week
[23:18] <fake> circa
[23:18] <fake> what type of machine do you have?
[23:18] <madtux> 1 Ultra 5 and 2 Ultra 10's
[23:18] <fake> i could offer you a livecd without working X
[23:18] <madtux> i need no X
[23:18] <madtux> livecd would rock
[23:18] <fake> but the compiler works...
[23:19] <fake> ... i hope.
[23:19] <madtux> i can find that out
[23:19] <esden> but gdb crashes ;)
[23:19] <fake> okay, i'll upload it tonight
[23:19] <madtux> ok
[23:19] <fake> i would be really interested in the reason xfree isn't working
[23:19] <madtux> esden: so when are we going to have alpha isos?
[23:19] <madtux> :)
[23:20] <fake> the crystal xorg i built before worked flawlessly
[23:20] Action: fake will switch livecd to xorg and try...
[23:20] <fake> hey
[23:20] <fake> i could try the updated xfree in sm
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[23:21] <madtux> esden: why are u so quite?
[23:21] <madtux> :)
[23:21] <esden> madtux: I have to talk to my neighbours and ask them what they want to do with their server
[23:21] <fake> hehe
[23:21] <madtux> 0_o
[23:21] <fake> esden: do it!
[23:21] <esden> it is a digital server ... but what it is exactly I dunno
[23:21] <esden> fake: I will tomorrow ;)
[23:21] <esden> fake:  remind me of that
[23:21] <madtux> esden: good..
[23:22] <madtux> esden: ok we will take care of reminding u 
[23:22] <fake> madtux: -rw-r--r--  1 fake users 425963520 Dec  8 23:23 livecd-sparc-rev4860_cd1.iso
[23:22] Action: madtux setting up a cron job.
[23:22] <madtux> fake: upload upload :)
[23:23] <fake> madtux: that'll take some time
[23:23] <esden> there is still someone over there ... and he says that the chef is there 
[23:23] <madtux> np
[23:23] <esden> and that I should come before 18:00 tomorrow
[23:23] <madtux> esden: i'm patient
[23:24] <madtux> i mean fake
[23:24] <fake> but let me first try the updated xfree...
[23:24] <madtux> ok
[23:24] <fake> it would be too cool having it releasable ;)
[23:24] <fake> the new ppc one is already up, i still need to talk to th
[23:25] <madtux> ppc.. sparc.. fake u really have some heck of interesting hardware
[23:26] <SteffenP> uhh thats bad.. now i try my own build but what i did.. i formated the HD where i keeped all the settings .. uhhh why oh why
[23:27] <madtux> what settings?
[23:27] <madtux> u mean ur production enviroment?
[23:27] <fake> gnupg
[23:27] <SteffenP> the configs in trunk/config
[23:28] <madtux> oh
[23:28] <madtux> SteffenP: welll u can redo that
[23:28] <SteffenP> hmm how? the new system is now on the HD... well at last it is working fine
[23:30] <fake> the new system's config is in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG ;)
[23:31] <SteffenP> ahhh cool.. hmmm very very good.
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[23:54] <fake> uh
[23:54] <fake> openoffice has sane scanner support
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