[00:10] <SteffenP> so i am in my bed good night all
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[00:11] <esden> AAAAARGH
[00:11] Action: esden kills himself
[00:11] <owl> whats wrong, esden ? O_o
[00:12] <esden> I am stupid ... nothing else ;)
[00:12] <owl> aehm. ok. 
[00:13] <esden> hrm ... that is not good ... I only wrote 2k lines of code this month
[00:13] <esden> last month I wrote 23k lines of code
[00:15] <esden> hehe ... in october I wrote 94k lines of code
[00:15] <esden> that is cool
[00:15] <esden> no ... sorry modified
[00:15] <esden> I wrote 85k lines
[00:17] <esden> this month I wrote only 993 lines
[00:17] <esden> *sigh* :(
[00:17] <esden> I somehow like statistics ;)
[00:27] <fake> this month is only 8 days old...
[00:27] <fake> 8 days and 28 minutes, to be exact
[00:27] <esden> yes but it is still not really much ...
[00:28] <esden> when you imagine 85k lines written in Oct
[00:28] <esden> and 21k in Nov
[00:28] <fake> 8 days of 31 is ~ 25 %
[00:29] <fake> i predict ~ 4k for dec ;)
[00:31] <esden> hehe ;)
[00:31] <esden> perhups I should add precent predictions to SVNStat ;)
[00:32] <esden> I mean productivity predictions ;)
[00:33] <esden> humm ... I wrote 128k lines in the last 4 months when you do not count the current one ... sweet ;)
[00:35] <esden> ok ... the missing stuff for svn is now up and running
[00:35] <esden> now I can go and meditate over a cigarette 
[00:35] <esden> but first I need to update my ipod
[00:36] <esden> the songs are all converted now
[00:37] <fake> hehe
[00:41] <owl> gn8
[00:43] <esden> ok ... finished
[00:43] <esden> cigarette waiting ;)
[00:43] <esden> brb
[00:47] <fake> ha!
[00:47] <fake> now i know how to paint a selection in gimp
[00:47] <fake> cool
[00:47] <esden> rj
[00:47] <esden> re
[00:55] <daja77> re
[01:19] <fake> esden: here?
[01:20] Action: fake brb
[01:20] <esden> fake:  yes
[02:26] <esden> gn8 everybody
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[07:24] <hannes_> moin
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[08:10] <clifford> moin
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[08:15] <hannes_> hi clifford 
[08:19] <clifford> hi hannes_ 
[08:19] <hannes_> clifford: perhaps you know the solution
[08:19] <hannes_> i have a scipt with paramter a pkg
[08:19] <clifford> if you tell me the problem..
[08:19] <hannes_> and how can i get the desc file
[08:20] <hannes_> when the pkg is for example linux26-header
[08:20] <clifford> so it can be a forked package too..
[08:20] <hannes_> forked pkgs i parse with '='
[08:21] <clifford> only if they are explicitely forked.
[08:21] <clifford> linux26-header is a fork of 'linux'
[08:21] <hannes_> hmm..ok
[08:21] <blindcoder> moin
[08:21] <clifford> the package mapper auto-detects that
[08:21] <hannes_> can i use it for my own scripts?
[08:22] <clifford> di Build-Tools run ?
[08:22] <clifford> did.
[08:22] <clifford> if so, ". build/$ROCKCFG_ID/ROCK/$toolsdir/lib/pkgmapper" does the magic.
[08:22] <blindcoder> wow, I've been three days away from work and everything is in a state of chaos...
[08:22] <clifford> if not, it's a bit more complicated. give me a sec.
[08:22] <hannes_> no, normally not
[08:23] <hannes_> it should work without a build
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[08:25] <clifford> ok - here is an example:
[08:25] <clifford> # pkg=linux26-header
[08:25] <clifford> # eval "$( bash scripts/xfind.sh package/. -type f -name 'pkgmapper.in' -printf '%f\t%p\n' | sort | awk '{ $1="."; print; }' )"
[08:25] <clifford> # echo package/*/$pkg/$pkg.desc
[08:25] <clifford> package/base/linux/linux.desc
[08:27] <hannes_> xfind.sh only cares about .svn dirs?
[08:27] <hannes_> ahh ok
[08:27] <hannes_> i'll give it a try
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[08:31] <hannes_> clifford: thx, works now
[08:43] <netrunner> moin
[08:43] <hannes_> hi netrunner 
[08:55] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[08:57] <netrunner> moin hannes and blindcoder, in order of appearance :)
[09:00] <netrunner> this skype thngie is not for rock, hm?
[09:01] <hannes_> netrunner: ??
[09:02] <hannes_> netrunner: it should run on rock
[09:02] <netrunner> hannes_: they build their stuff with gcc32, I use gcc34
[09:03] <netrunner> anybody has experience with audio recording under linux?
[09:06] <blindcoder> no
[09:09] <netrunner> blindcoder: how do you know :)
[09:10] <blindcoder> educated guess :)
[09:10] <netrunner> nobody won the jackpot again ... now saturday 21 mio
[09:15] <blindcoder> do you play?
[09:26] <netrunner> sometimes. yesterday I played 6 rows, and even won another quicktipp from some radio station with 12 rows
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[10:03] <th> moin
[10:04] <hannes_> hi th 
[10:04] <blindcoder> moin th, moin esden 
[10:04] <th> clifford: still here?
[10:04] <esden> moin everyone
[10:04] <hannes_> hi esden 
[10:04] <esden> I AM TIRED!!!
[10:05] <hannes_> GO TO BED!!!
[10:05] <esden> it is not possible
[10:05] <esden> I have to work >_<
[10:05] <blindcoder> esden: you're still energic enough to shout
[10:05] <clifford> th: yup.
[10:05] <esden> blindcoder: lol
[10:05] <th> clifford: have you send var/adm-data to sonar?
[10:05] <hannes_> esden: aren't you ill, are you
[10:05] <blindcoder> esden: you worked through the night?
[10:06] <esden> blindcoder:  only till 3:00
[10:06] <blindcoder> "only"
[10:06] <blindcoder> no wonder that you're tired
[10:07] <esden> blindcoder: ack
[10:08] <clifford> th: doing that right now.
[10:09] <th> clifford: will you add this to your "standard procedure" after a reference build?
[10:09] <clifford> yes.
[10:09] <th> clifford: would be great to have trunk data on a regular basis. 
[10:09] <th> very cool. thanks.
[10:10] <clifford> erm.. does it try to make a complete tar.bz2 of the var/adm dir?!?!
[10:10] <th> no
[10:10] <th> not as i understood
[10:11] <th> blindcoder: ?
[10:11] <blindcoder> ehm, yes
[10:11] <clifford> # du -sh build/ref1205-2.1.0-DEV-x86-reference-expert/var/adm/
[10:11] <clifford> 393M    build/ref1205-2.1.0-DEV-x86-reference-expert/var/adm
[10:11] <blindcoder> since it was recently requested that build logs be made available, too, I thought that was reasonable
[10:12] <th> clifford: du -hs build/ref1205-2.1.0-DEV-x86-reference-expert/var/adm/* ?
[10:12] <clifford> the logs are 216MB
[10:12] <th> yea
[10:13] <th> compressed size?
[10:13] <blindcoder> hrm, maybe it's not such a good idea after all
[10:13] <clifford> md5sums, cksums and flist 35M - 40M each
[10:13] <th> we could skip md5sums
[10:13] <blindcoder> dependencies  descs  flists
[10:13] <blindcoder> those are currently in use by sonar
[10:13] <clifford> packages, deps, dep-debug, descs 13M - 24M each
[10:14] <blindcoder> I'll patch sonar.sh to only send those
[10:14] <clifford> cache is 5M
[10:14] <th> i really want those build logs :-/
[10:15] <th> clifford: can you check how big dependencies, descs, flists, and logs would be when compressed?
[10:19] <hannes_> blindcoder: are there currently some problems with rockdoc?
[10:19] <hannes_> blindcoder: sry, problem here
[10:19] <blindcoder> no, why?
[10:20] <clifford> th: http://murphy.clifford.at/rock-build/
[10:20] <hannes_> blindcoder: some bookmark from yesterday led to a pthon exceptoin
[10:20] <th> clifford: is that a one time thing or will you make it always available there?
[10:20] <hannes_> but if i click through the startpage everything works
[10:20] <blindcoder> hannes_: which?
[10:21] <clifford> th: exists already longer - I've now created a cron job which fixes the permissions so apache can read also new builds
[10:21] <th> clifford: great - that should do the job. thanks
[10:21] <th> blindcoder: perhaps you could intelligently link to there?
[10:22] <clifford> hmm...
[10:22] <th> not a good idea?
[10:22] <clifford> there is no guarantee that this is always up and available.
[10:22] <hannes_> blindcoder: http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CompilingProblems
[10:22] <th> hmm i see
[10:22] <blindcoder> hannes_: ah, I renamed that :)
[10:22] <clifford> also I'd like to keep the traffic there small - it's on the xdsl at home..
[10:22] <th> clifford: and the bandwiths is limited.
[10:23] <hannes_> blindcoder: ok
[10:23] <th> clifford: ok. so we won't link.
[10:23] <th> clifford: i try to remember that link
[10:23] <clifford> when someone downloads from there I have problems checking my email..
[10:23] <clifford> th: It's now in the IRC logs..
[10:24] <th> clifford: yes. just need to remember some context around it. or the date
[10:24] <clifford> argwl! what are you doing?
[10:24] <th> clifford: just 8 mb
[10:24] <th> clifford: finished in 6 minutes. shall i abort?
[10:24] <blindcoder> clifford: I just committed a change to sonar to just submit dependencies, descs and flists
[10:24] <clifford> my ssh is DEAD! >5sec latency.
[10:24] <th> sorry
[10:24] <th> aborted
[10:25] <clifford> ahh! much better.
[10:25] <clifford> that's why I don't want it linked.. ;-)
[10:25] <th> yea
[10:25] <th> http://murphy.clifford.at/rock-build/ref1205-2.1.0-DEV-x86-reference-expert/var/varadm.tar.bz2 is only 8.5MB in size and does contain logs
[10:26] <blindcoder> clifford: please apply 2004120910241622115 and commit with that :-)
[10:26] <clifford> th: I aborted building the file.
[10:26] <th> ;-)
[10:26] <th> clifford: ok. thanks anyways. i have what i need.
[10:27] <th> hmmmm i can't understand why xine starts failing in my reference build. i did not touch it
[10:27] <th> a patch doesn't apply
[10:31] <th> clifford: even getting a single log is quite big to your bandwiths :-/
[10:32] <clifford> th: I'm right now uploading to ROCK Sonar ..
[10:32] <clifford> (guess I should install nettoll at home)
[10:33] <clifford> --> http://www.linbit.com/de/loesungen/security/lintas/ <--
[10:36] <th> clifford: selling this with hardware?
[10:37] <clifford> I don't know - I just wrote the entire software for the product.
[10:37] <clifford> (pretty oversized for my home xdsl.. ;-)
[10:37] <th> clifford: so you don't have any prizing information?
[10:38] <clifford> should I ask? (the sales guy is just on the table behind me)
[10:39] <th> clifford: yea
[10:39] <th> clifford: please
[10:39] <clifford> giveme a sec.
[10:41] <th> .oO("a sec" with a sales guy? i doubt that)
[10:41] <clifford> th: depends on the size of the network: 1.200 EUR - 10.000 EUR
[10:41] <blindcoder> okay, added to Sonar
[10:42] <th> clifford: is that with hardware?
[10:42] <clifford> afaik that's without hardware.
[10:43] <th> clifford: i was just interested in the very low end for a small office. i guess 1200EUR would be too much for them
[10:43] <clifford> the 1200 are because we calculate one work-day for the installation.
[10:43] <th> clifford: i could install the software on the linux gateway machine?
[10:44] <th> clifford: no way to opt-out the installation?
[10:44] <clifford> (linbit isn't selling "software boxes")
[10:44] <clifford> th: at least we don't have a prize-tag for that right now
[10:44] <th> clifford: i see.
[10:45] <clifford> the software has 4 components. the "agent" (sensor) is a pretty small c program which doesn't consume much resources. no problem with installing that on a linux gateway.
[10:45] <clifford> the data reduction and analysis should run on an extra machine.
[11:22] <SMP> th: you could run a NetFlow probe, a collector and then use e.g. FlowScan to generate graphs
[11:22] <th> SMP: is that nitpicker like?
[11:23] <th> SMP: i guess implementing this myself is more expensive to the customer than buying cliff's solution
[11:23] <SMP> just a little bit
[11:24] <SMP> nitpicker saves to files in its own format, NetFlow data is sent from the probe (router or switch normally) to a collector that may do anything with the data
[12:23] <owl> moin
[12:23] <blindcoder> moin owl
[12:23] <owl> hi blindy
[12:41] <esden> argh ... one should really chop off people hands so that they are unable to write code ... it would be better then the stuff they produce ... argl
[12:42] <blindcoder> esden: come here, comecomecome. *hides axe behind back*
[12:42] <esden> WHY is so high percentage of open source software such a mess? ... can anyone explain it to me?
[12:42] <esden> blindcoder: :P
[12:43] <blindcoder> esden: easy: because _anyone_ can write open source software. And _everyone_ does
[12:43] <blindcoder> I mean, just look at the crap I produce on a daily basis :D
[12:43] <esden> my code is good! at least by now ... it was messy earlier I admit it ;)
[12:44] <daja77> esden: i'll deal with commercial code atm that's no better
[12:45] <daja77> -'ll
[12:45] <esden> daja77: I do too ... and it is bad too I know
[12:45] <esden> I spent nearly two weeks cleaning up the software in the company I work for now
[12:46] <blindcoder> well, the cleanest code I ever saw was plain C code. The second cleanest was a perl script.
[12:46] <esden> and I need to spend at least another two to clean the stuff that is still in a mess
[12:46] <esden> and that are only 21k lines of code ... >_<
[12:48] <blindcoder> "only"
[12:50] <esden> blindcoder:  yes ->only<- ;)
[13:34] <mnemoc> oi
[13:35] <blindcoder> jus
[13:37] <fake> ladies and gentlemen
[13:37] <fake> i may now make a statement
[13:37] Action: mnemoc listen
[13:37] <fake> "X.org rules"
[13:38] <fake> i tried xfree86 (both the older and the new versions) on sparc
[13:38] <fake> no go
[13:38] <fake> i tried xorg... tada. not a sign of a problem.
[13:38] <mnemoc> :D
[13:39] <blindcoder> you must have made a mistake *runs*
[13:39] <mnemoc> :p
[13:43] <th> fake: do you still have your krups?
[13:47] <blindcoder> oh, nice
[13:47] <blindcoder> irda-utils fails
[13:47] <blindcoder> patch not applying
[13:48] <fake> th: yes
[13:53] <esden> wee ... that baby is sweet ;)
[13:53] <blindcoder> esden: become fat?her
[13:53] Action: fake hrmpf
[13:55] <esden> blindcoder: nearly
[13:55] <esden> I have an alpha server 4100 now ;)
[13:55] <blindcoder> nice
[13:55] <esden> I am very  eager to know if it is working and what is really in it
[13:55] <esden> brb
[13:56] <blindcoder> hf
[13:57] <th> fake: have you had any more success on x or sound?
[13:58] <fake> th: hm, 8bit X, squeaky sound?
[13:58] <th> fake: i only had sound with bsd
[13:59] <fake> i can't even remember....
[13:59] <fake> but i hat netbsd on it once, too
[13:59] <fake> the console driver sucked
[14:01] <fake> th: what about the iso(s) ?
[14:02] <th> fake: i still need to search for localhero's mail addr.
[14:05] <th> got it
[14:07] <th> mail sent
[14:10] <fake> th: thanks
[14:16] <fake> mnemoc: now that i know the livecd will work with xorg, i'm gonna rebuild it 
[14:16] <fake> mnemoc: reg. sparc
[14:17] <mnemoc> :D
[14:18] <fake> xorg worked, but all libraries using X were linking against libfontconfig.so.2, which isn't there anymore.
[14:18] <mnemoc> btw, someone had a problem configuring network on ppc/livecd some days ago
[14:19] <mnemoc> he had no /etc/network/config, and couldn not write there, how does that work on your livecd?
[14:19] <fake> mnemoc: there is no use to /etc/network/*
[14:20] <fake> your settings would be gone on the next reboot anyways
[14:20] <fake> (until shadowfs...)
[14:20] <blindcoder> whatever that may be :)
[14:22] <mnemoc> fake: how should someone set network on it?
[14:22] <fake> mnemoc: ifconfig / iproute2?
[14:22] <fake> dhclient...
[14:22] <th> dhcpcd
[14:22] <th> ?
[14:23] <fake> not included, but will be
[14:23] <fake> dhclient bus-error's on sparc ;))
[14:23] <th> good
[14:23] <th> great
[14:24] <mnemoc> fake: i was talking about something pre-configured on livecd
[14:24] <fake> mnemoc: the lived starts up into init 2
[14:25] <mnemoc> fake: ic
[14:25] <fake> mnemoc: it's kind of a rock philosophy not to assume any network config
[14:26] <fake> btw, i'm doing the kde 3.3.2 update
[14:27] <mnemoc> fake: but a template on network/config to edit and run rocknet by hand after that would make users life simpler
[14:28] <blindcoder> mnemoc: so you think it should be documented?
[14:28] <fake> mnemoc: rocknet will be given a nice gui-frontend
[14:29] <fake> mnemoc: the current frontend is worse than editing the file with vi
[14:29] <mnemoc> :)
[14:29] <fake> mnemoc: when that frontend works, it will make sense ;)
[14:29] <mnemoc> blindcoder: i think but i can do it right now :)
[14:29] <mnemoc> fake: i trust you 
[14:29] <fake> there is documentation on rocknet
[14:30] <blindcoder> mnemoc: http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/.add/NetworkConfiguration
[14:30] <fake> mnemoc: if you trust me, you have been mislead ;))
[14:30] <mnemoc> :p
[14:30] <mnemoc> fake: in _this_ topic
[14:30] <fake> blindcoder: /etc/network/README ?
[14:30] <mnemoc> =)
[14:30] <mnemoc> i was talking about "HowToLiveCD
[14:30] <mnemoc> "
[14:31] <blindcoder> fake: ENOENT
[14:31] <fake>  /etc/network/README
[14:32] <fake> ... ROCKNET  [by Clifford Wolf]
[14:32] <fake> we patched the redme in again in august
[14:32] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[14:32] <fake> there was only a file pointing you to a URL in the rock handbook
[14:32] <fake> ... very *very* annoying if you try to figure out pppoe config options in rocknet...
[14:33] <blindcoder> indeed
[14:35] <blindcoder> ROCKDoc now almost counting 6500 words
[14:41] <daja77> fake: have a minute for me?
[14:42] <fake> daja77: what can i do for you?
[14:42] <daja77> i just want to know if skype works now
[14:52] <fake> well, it does ;)
[14:53] <daja77> yep :)
[14:54] <blindcoder> 6510 words :)
[14:58] <esden> ok ... the machine works ... only the second raid is somehow dead ;)
[14:58] <esden> and I do not know how to recover it ... yet ;)
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[15:14] <fake> esden: running what?
[15:14] <esden> vmunix or how it is called
[15:14] <fake> oh, great.
[15:15] <esden> digital unix I mean
[15:15] <esden> I see that crap for the first time
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[15:30] <madtux> hello
[15:30] Action: fake just applied 74 patches from submaster in one goe - without any failures!
[15:30] <fake> hi madtux !
[15:30] <madtux> good patching-fake :)
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[15:37] <treo> sali
[15:56] <netrunner> pepi
[15:56] <madtux> toti?
[15:59] <blindcoder> piep?
[16:00] <madtux> wiii!
[16:00] <madtux> :)
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[16:23] <esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/digital_alpha_4100.jpg
[16:23] <esden> http://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/digital_alpha_4100_intern.jpg
[16:26] <madtux> esden: - remeber to talk to ur negihboors about the server -
[16:29] <esden> madtux: I already have
[16:29] <esden> the machine is standing already here
[16:30] <esden> and I am working on getting its mylex raid back to life
[16:32] <madtux> good boy.
[16:32] <madtux> have a cookie :)
[16:34] <esden> *GG*
[16:40] <hannes_> rehi
[16:41] <hannes_> http://www.ulm.ccc.de/projekte/bankomat/1.html *lool*
[16:49] <esden> weee ... the management software works!
[17:03] <netrunner> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4078895.stm
[17:04] <hannes_> netrunner: haha...especially esden's powerbook gets very hot
[17:05] <hannes_> esden: some comments?
[17:08] <hannes_> ...i told you not to buy a powerbook =)
[17:09] <esden> ok ... now I have a second alpha server 4100 ;)
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[17:10] <esden> hannes_: no not really ... I thought at the beginning that it does
[17:10] <esden> but it does not ... 
[17:10] <tcr> moin all.
[17:12] <hannes_> hi tcr 
[17:15] Action: fake bbl
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[17:55] #rocklinux: mode change '+o th' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[17:55] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!th@thzn.de: ROCK Linux 2.0.3 released; 2.0.4 coming soon - shall be available for 21C3 - place your wishes NOW!
[17:55] #rocklinux: mode change '-o th' by th!th@thzn.de
[18:01] <esden> ok ... I have recovered the machine
[18:01] <esden> all discs are ok ;)
[18:03] <daja77> have you sent a mail about that to the list?
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[18:22] <esden_> ???
[18:22] Action: esden_ brb
[18:23] <daja77> i meant th
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[18:24] <esden> re
[18:25] <esden> daja77:  were you meaning me?
[18:31] <esden> damn ... now could someone explain me how and where I find the mainboard in that server?
[18:38] <th> daja77: no i didn't
[18:38] <th> daja77: but it is very soon. so soon that ml-discussion has a too high latency
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[18:41] <blindcoder> and probably not focussed enough, too
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[18:43] <LocalHero> Hi all
[18:43] <LocalHero> fake: You wanted an account
[18:43] <daja77> th: nevertheless it should be tried, if noone answers i have no problem with that, but i don't like the thing, that some might say, if I'd known ...
[18:45] <daja77> where was that wishlist again?
[18:49] <th> daja77: there is no wishlist
[18:49] <th> hi LocalHero 
[18:49] <th> LocalHero: thanks for re-enabling the machine
[18:49] <LocalHero> th: no problem. It was on my todo list anyway ;)
[18:50] <daja77> thought you had a link for things you planned or what's the status is
[18:50] <th> LocalHero: do you know what happened?
[18:50] <blindcoder> daja77: that was cliff
[18:50] <LocalHero> Yupp, The machine runs gentoo and when i upgraded glibc the sshd deamon stoped to work
[18:51] <LocalHero> Everything else was working fine
[18:51] <th> daja77: i just had a "svn diff" against current head
[18:51] <th> LocalHero: i see
[18:51] <th> LocalHero: so we don't need to be afraid of further problems
[18:51] <LocalHero> th: I will do all upgradings now and reset the machine in some hours
[18:51] <LocalHero> th: I hope so ;)
[18:52] <th> LocalHero: yea - thanks for your service. ATM you are our only binary-server
[18:52] <LocalHero> th: ahh, oki :).. Well i will do my best to keep the uptime up :)
[18:53] <esden> nice that box can have up to 4 cpu's
[18:53] <esden> sad is that I only have 2 :(
[18:53] <esden> and the one I booted runs on one currently
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[19:07] <blindcoder> hannes_: ping
[19:13] <hannes_> blindcoder: pong
[19:14] <hannes_> blindcoder: what's up?
[19:17] <blindcoder> query
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[19:57] <LocalHero> bye
[19:57] <madtux> alex
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[20:18] <esden> puhh ... 
[20:18] Action: esden finished reconfiguring the alpha babies ;)
[20:19] <esden> now there is only one that is functional ;)
[20:19] <esden> the other one has spent its organs in favor of the first one :)
[20:19] <blindcoder> heh
[20:21] <fake> aeh
[20:21] <esden> now I need a rocklinux compile box ...
[20:22] <fake> what was the html tag for a ..... 
[20:22] <fake> List Item. okay, got it. thanks.
[20:22] <esden> o_O?
[20:25] <netrunner> fake now refactoring to a webdesigner?
[20:28] <esden> hrm ... what should I choose
[20:28] <esden> which iso should I take ....
[20:28] <esden> difficult decision
[20:29] <owl> re
[20:30] <owl> fsck! i'm too dumb to walk or so... "flog ueber eigene fuesse" -> "resultat: blutlache am boden, platzwunde am kopf, krankenwagen gerufen worden" O_o
[20:30] <mnemoc> thanks :\
[20:31] <madtux> scheisse! 
[20:32] <owl> exactly.
[20:32] <madtux> :)
[20:32] <madtux> mnemoc: see its easy to describe things in one word :)
[20:33] <mnemoc> =)
[20:35] <esden> ROFL!
[20:35] <madtux> hello esden :)
[20:35] <esden> ok ... owl you managed it
[20:35] <madtux> esden: wouldn't u agree?
[20:35] <esden> you rescued my day ;)
[20:35] <esden> hi madtux ;)
[20:36] <blindcoder> made my day :D
[20:36] <madtux> bah :
[20:36] <madtux> :P
[20:37] <esden> madtux: fyi: the alpha now has two 300Mhz processors with 2Mb Cache each and 740Mb RAM ;)
[20:37] <esden> blindcoder: :P
[20:38] <madtux> esden: wee!
[20:38] <madtux> esden: pics pics pics!
[20:38] <esden> ACK :)
[20:38] <madtux> show me!?
[20:38] <esden> they are already online ...
[20:38] <esden> I have no more pics
[20:38] <madtux> ah ok
[20:48] <netrunner> reviewing code after a while unveals quite some mistakes ...
[21:03] <daja77> oh i see esden
[21:06] <netrunner> daja77: dream on :)
[21:06] <fake> where?
[21:06] <daja77> erh not personally
[21:06] <netrunner> fake: he carries a foto in his purse ;)
[21:07] <fake> hehe
[21:07] <daja77> i engraved the pic in the wedding ring :p
[21:08] <fake> in .13 mue technology ? ;-)
[21:08] <daja77> :D
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[21:20] <blindcoder> cc1plus: out of memory allocating 63200280 bytes after a total of 15601664 bytes
[21:20] <blindcoder> oops
[21:27] <blindcoder> after 5 hours :(
[21:34] <fake> okay... prepare for traffic...
[21:34] <netrunner>  grml.
[21:39] <netrunner> anybody has too much time currently? I built a new xfce4 package but it fails with prefix in /opt/xfce4 while building the 2nd part because it cannot find a lib it installed itself in that custom prefix ...
[21:43] <fake> netrunner: does it use .pc files / pkg-config ?
[21:46] <netrunner> no, normal configure. but I am doing something wrong with telling him the -I/opt/xfce4/include ...
[21:46] <fake> i mean, does configure use pkg-config?
[21:46] <fake> what is the error?
[21:50] <netrunner> cannot find libxfce4util/libxfce4util.h
[21:54] <netrunner> icons.c:34:39: libxfce4util/libxfce4util.h: No such file or directory
[21:54] <fake> hm..
[21:56] <netrunner> oh, think I have it.
[21:56] <netrunner> the includes are in /opt/xfce4/include/xfce4
[21:58] <netrunner> ah, seems to work now.
[22:04] <fake> Error logs from bootdisk-2.1.0-DEV-powerpc-powerpc-604e-bootdisk:
[22:04] <fake> 167 builds total, 167 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[22:04] <fake> Error logs from crystal-2.1.0-DEV-powerpc-powerpc-604e-crystal-expert:
[22:05] <fake> 312 builds total, 312 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[22:05] <fake> without touching anything...
[22:08] <esden> I need this in the kernel of the installation cd to install rocklinux on the dell machine here: http://iswraid.sourceforge.net/
[22:09] <fake> esden: wait
[22:09] <fake> esden: this is for 2.4
[22:10] <esden> yes ... I know
[22:10] <fake> how about 2.6? is that a patch too?
[22:10] <fake> *there
[22:10] <esden> http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-013548.htm
[22:11] <esden> seems not ... :(
[22:11] <fake> esden: it uses the device-mapper.
[22:12] <fake> esden: so there is support for it in the kernel
[22:12] <esden> o_O?
[22:13] <fake> esden: see if you can instruct the device-mapper in 2.6 via kernel append line
[22:13] <fake> to combine the 2 devices
[22:15] <esden> ok ... I search the doc for device-mapper
[22:23] <treo> gn8
[22:24] <fake> n8!
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[22:26] <esden> This driver is useless without libata
[22:26] <esden> >_<
[22:27] <fake> libata is in the kernel!
[22:27] <fake> and the sata modules are included in the bootdisk
[22:27] <fake> at least in recent builds...
[22:27] <fake> 2.1
[22:27] <esden> humm ...
[22:29] <esden> recent builds?
[22:29] <esden> how recent?
[22:29] <fake> well
[22:29] <fake> kernel 2.6 as default switch was in october
[22:31] <esden> so the 2.0.3 stable build should already include it?
[22:31] <esden> or do I have to go to unstable builds?
[22:33] <fake> i'm afraid there is no uploaded iso that recent
[22:33] <fake> but hey
[22:33] <fake> you could try the livecd
[22:33] <fake> i just released it
[22:33] <fake> argh
[22:33] <fake> no md support in the livecd...
[22:34] <esden> do I need md? md is software raid iirc...
[22:35] <fake> you could try, the download should be quick thing
[22:35] <esden> ok ... downloading
[22:36] <esden> why are there no unstable crystal build iso's online?
[22:36] <esden> that would probably solve the problem ...
[22:37] <fake> esden: be patient ;)
[22:37] <esden> >_<
[22:38] <esden> I need to start building an iso for the alpha!
[22:38] <esden> and you tell me to be patient >_<
[22:38] <fake> you can 'install' the livecd on the harddisk if it works
[22:38] <fake> there is a working compiler and stuff
[22:40] <esden> good
[22:41] <fake> sysv init is on it, you may need to wget grub, but that's not a problem
[22:41] <esden> argh ... I need to wait for the iso for half an hour *cry*
[22:42] <madtux> http://sofinesjoyfulmoments.com/humor/ilovesnow.htm
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[23:08] <lewellyn> hoi :)
[23:08] <owl> gn8. 
[23:09] <lewellyn> ni owl
[23:12] <fake> hi lewellyn 
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[23:14] <lewellyn> hoi. how is?
[23:14] <fake> well.. just finished a new livecd release
[23:15] <esden> burning livecd
[23:15] <lewellyn> good good :)
[23:15] <fake> should show up @freshmeat any minute...
[23:15] <fake> and i'm gonna make more coffee now
[23:16] <fake> damn windows crap
[23:16] <lewellyn> livecd of 2.0.3?
[23:16] <fake> no, trun rev 4860
[23:16] <fake> *trunk
[23:16] <lewellyn> what version does that correspond to? :)
[23:16] <fake> 2.1-DEV
[23:17] <lewellyn> ahh
[23:17] Action: fake brb
[23:17] Action: esden making coffee too
[23:18] Action: madtux joins the coffee club
[23:19] <daja77> hm coffee
[23:19] Action: lewellyn just popped lunch in the radiation chamber
[23:19] Action: mnemoc goes for cocacola
[23:25] <lewellyn> asking elsewhere was fruitless, and i just realized that here is a better choice probably anyway... :)
[23:25] <lewellyn> how would one get a usb palmos device to work under rock? :)
[23:27] <esden> fake: there is no modprobe on the livecd? o_O
[23:28] <daja77> lewellyn: plug it in, press hotsync on palm and then in the synching application
[23:29] <fake> esden: don't shock me
[23:29] <madtux> mnemoc: that "drogacola" is gonna killya
[23:29] <lewellyn> daja77: well... complication...
[23:29] <lewellyn> nothing shows up in vmware for USB Port 1 or USB Port 2
[23:29] <lewellyn> since i want to use the palm desktop under xpsp2
[23:30] <lewellyn> i think i got the usb modules all installed.
[23:30] <esden> fake: modprobe: command not found
[23:31] <fake> esden: /sbin/modprobe ?
[23:31] <esden> ohh
[23:31] Action: esden stupid
[23:31] <fake> *phew*
[23:31] Action: fake wiping seat away
[23:31] <fake> *sweat
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[23:32] <daja77> lewellyn: the palm device is only up during the hotplug time, so you can't connect all the time
[23:33] <lewellyn> oh... ok...
[23:34] <lewellyn> hrm. hit the hotsync button on the device and vmware still doesn't see it :(
[23:35] <daja77> check if it was connected in the linux log, see if vmware can handle these devices  
[23:35] <esden> ok ... but that is true: module ata_piix is missing
[23:35] <esden> fake: but I need it ...
[23:36] <fake> esden: kernel 2.6.9 from the livecd?
[23:36] <lewellyn> damn. i think it will sync over wifi. which would resolve the issue, possibly...
[23:36] <lewellyn> depending on the network setup...
[23:36] <esden> fake: yes
[23:37] <esden> read this:http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2004/11/msg00785.html
[23:38] <fake> esden: just a second
[23:39] <fake> esden: it should be in the kernel
[23:40] <lewellyn> aha
[23:40] <esden> o_O
[23:40] <esden> humm
[23:41] <fake> esden: i'm booting the livecd, wait
[23:41] <esden> kk
[23:41] <lewellyn> Dec  9 14:40:32 tuffet usb.plug[22295]: Invalid environment
[23:41] <lewellyn> is that useful?
[23:43] <fake> esden: see : grep piix /proc/kallsyms
[23:44] <SMP> lewellyn: you need to prevent the kernel (a driver) from claiming that that device
[23:44] <esden> fake: hrm
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[23:44] <esden> so why are the devices still sot accessable ? o_O
[23:45] <fake> esden: does dmesg | grep -i ata tell you anything ?
[23:49] <esden> ok ... the drivers are loading
[23:49] <fake> esden: hum, how that ?
[23:50] <esden> but I am getting abnormal status
[23:50] <esden> and it is disabling a port
[23:50] <esden> babble babble 
[23:51] <fake> you may be able to issue a rescan through sysfs
[23:53] <esden> if I knew how ... 
[23:54] <lewellyn> hrm. interesting...
[23:54] <lewellyn> Dec  9 14:53:09 tuffet usbfs.perm[22712]: Changing access for /proc/bus/usb/001/006, permissions 0664, root.users
[23:54] <lewellyn> but i see nothing in /proc/bus/usb as that line appears...
[23:54] <fake> esden: wait some more
[23:55] <esden> ack
[23:55] <fake> esden: is there something below /sys/bus/scsi ?
[23:56] <fake> == 12/09/04 22:37:37 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc23.
[23:56] <fake> cool!!
[23:56] <fake> v9 opt. is fixed in gcc 3.4.3 for sparc! 
[23:58] <lewellyn> sweet
[23:58] <esden> fake: you know what would be helpfull ... if the ata_piix module would be a module and not staticly in the kernel
[23:58] <fake> esden: it's default that way
[23:58] <esden> I can imagine that the ide bus is still busy when it tries to scan the bus
[23:59] <fake> esden: i doubt it. you could hook up a normal ide drive and install there...
[23:59] <fake> kind of a temporary, really big initrd ;)
[23:59] <esden> sigh ... 
[23:59] <esden> humm
[23:59] Action: esden looking around
[23:59] <fake> ..
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