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[00:00] <esden> there are some drives lying around here ... [00:00] <fake> or you drop the alpha next to the indigo2 in your car and drive by *g* [00:00] <fake> then go for one [00:00] <esden> 420Mbyte and 425Mbyte big ones ... [00:01] Action: lewellyn still considers those large [00:01] <esden> fake: yes that is also a solution .... but sadly I do not have a truck [00:03] <esden> ok ... /me shutting down dell to insert a drive [00:03] <esden> I hope the stuff fits on that drive >_< [00:03] <fake> 420 MB? that's sufficient [00:04] <esden> then it is good ;) [00:05] <fake> for a base system [00:06] <esden> rofl ... there is only one connector for the standard ide drive cable on the mainboard! [00:07] <esden> I have to remove one cd drive to insert the disc ;) [00:07] <fake> hhe [00:15] <lewellyn> hrm. can anyone help me troubleshoot this hotplug issue i'm having? [00:15] <fake> <- hotlug noob [00:15] <lewellyn> hrm. [00:16] <fake> yeah baby! enterprise season 4 episode 2 coming in with 20k/s [00:19] <daja77> lewellyn: what issue [00:19] <esden> ROFL the drive I picked already has linux on it [00:19] <esden> amazing [00:19] <esden> it is suse ... but it is still a linux [00:19] <esden> note: that drive is not mine [00:20] <fake> interesting [00:20] <fake> suse on 420 MB? [00:20] <fake> must be an older one ;) [00:21] <lewellyn> daja77: i hit the hotsync button on my palm and see this in /var/log/messages: [00:21] <lewellyn> Dec 9 15:20:29 tuffet /sbin/rockplug: Calling /etc/rockplug/usb.plug. [00:21] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [00:21] <lewellyn> Dec 9 15:20:29 tuffet usb.plug[23436]: Invalid environment [00:21] <lewellyn> Dec 9 15:20:29 tuffet usb.plug[23437]: Waiting for hardware to finish config (830/60/100)... [00:21] <lewellyn> and then it loads the drivers [00:21] <lewellyn> then [00:21] <lewellyn> Dec 9 15:20:32 tuffet usb.plug[23437]: Executing /etc/rockplug/scripts/usbfs.perm -g users -p 0664 interface [00:21] <lewellyn> Dec 9 15:20:32 tuffet usbfs.perm[23503]: Changing access for /proc/bus/usb/001/009, permissions 0664, root.users [00:21] <lewellyn> but nothing when i ls /proc/bus/usb [00:22] <daja77> have you mounted usb filesystem? [00:22] <esden> fake: I think so [00:22] <esden> fake: what should I copy on the drive? [00:22] <esden> humm ... I know [00:22] <esden> install the gems ... [00:22] Action: esden stupid [00:22] <fake> lewellyn: did you mount -t usbfs none /proc/bus/usb ? [00:23] <fake> esden: which gems? [00:23] <esden> fake: stable rock 2.0.3 crystal-emu [00:23] <fake> esden: yes. sure. [00:23] <esden> I can install it on that drive [00:24] <lewellyn> fake: thanks :) [00:24] <lewellyn> next step! getting it to show up in vmware! :) [00:25] <fake> lewellyn: that is a bug in rock, it's even in flyspray. im currently working on the installer, i'll add it [00:28] <esden> ok ... rock installs ... finally *sigh* [00:30] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.97) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] <esden> humm ... the installation iso is corrupted ... [00:35] <esden> ok ... the iso was not downloaded compleatly [00:36] <fake> wget -c [00:36] <esden> ack ... already running [00:36] <esden> ok ... I go for a smoke ;) [00:48] <fake> ha! [00:49] <fake> xine xv output fixed... [00:50] <lewellyn> fake: sorry. went afk. [00:50] <lewellyn> what's a bug in rock? [00:50] <lewellyn> not adding usbfs? [00:51] <lewellyn> or getting usb + vmware working? [00:51] <fake> lewellyn: that /proc/bus/usb is not mounted by default [00:51] <lewellyn> ya. should be a quick change. :) [00:51] <fake> jep, i am currently testing this. [00:51] <lewellyn> this look right for my fstab? [00:51] <lewellyn> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 [00:51] <fake> that's fine [00:51] <esden> ohh my fscking godess [00:52] <esden> the backup system on that alpha sucks badly! [00:54] <lewellyn> so. what script actually runs when i connect a usb device? [00:54] <fake> Dec 9 15:20:29 tuffet /sbin/rockplug: Calling /etc/rockplug/usb.plug [00:55] <lewellyn> that's what i thought. wanted to make sure that there wasn't another one getting called before it and you only see it in debug ;) [00:56] <lewellyn> hrm. i'm taking the wrong approach [00:57] <daja77> no it is not fine, if i count right there is the none on the wrong place [00:57] <lewellyn> how can i prevent rockplug from loading the visor driver for this thing? [00:57] <lewellyn> hrm. [00:57] <lewellyn> # Device Mountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass [00:58] <lewellyn> shouldn't device be none? [00:58] <fake> yes? [00:58] <fake> it is? [00:58] <fake> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0 [00:58] <lewellyn> that's what i have, yes. [00:59] <fake> that's correct [00:59] <lewellyn> ok. :) [00:59] <fake> daja77 can't count - ha ha ;) [00:59] <lewellyn> now. [00:59] <fake> you can easily test wether it's right [00:59] <lewellyn> can you cahnge the driver for rockplug from stone? [01:00] <fake> uhm [01:00] <lewellyn> yes, i can see the device! ;) [01:00] <fake> no idea [01:00] <fake> as i said, i'm a rockplug/hotplug noob [01:00] <daja77> perhaps not, just happy that my perl stuff works now [01:00] <lewellyn> i'll try adding visor to USB_SKIP_MODULES [01:00] <fake> i only know of /proc/bus/usb becuase of sane and my usb scanner... [01:01] <esden> is anyone here familiar with cpio? [01:01] <fake> yes [01:02] <fake> bring it on [01:02] <esden> how do I extract files from a tape device with it? [01:02] <fake> uuuh... tape devices. big gap in my knowledge. [01:02] <esden> or a file that is the same [01:02] <esden> at the end I think [01:03] <fake> cpio -ivdI ? [01:04] <fake> no [01:04] <fake> I menas archive file instead of stdin [01:05] <fake> dd if=/tape/device of=- | cpio -ivd ? [01:10] IT_Ninja (~notmy@170-215-104-126.bras01.cok.tn.frontiernet.net) joined #rocklinux. [01:11] <IT_Ninja> can anyone in here help me recover files i just accidently deleted? my fs is reiser [01:11] <esden> fake: humm ... the syntax of that cpio here is bit different I think [01:11] <esden> >_< [01:11] <IT_Ninja> i'm sorry to be asking in the wrong room, but i can't find anyone to help me [01:12] <IT_Ninja> and i'm in a panic [01:13] <fake> IT_Ninja: yes? [01:13] <IT_Ninja> fake, thank you [01:14] <fake> i didn't promise to help you, just that i'd listen ;) [01:15] <IT_Ninja> i'm not real sure on what to do.. .i've heard of using reiserfsck, but i'm not real sure on how to do it... i'm in a crunch because i'm afraid there will be alot of reading and writing to the HD and i need to figur this out quick.... [01:15] <fake> uh - i don't have a clue about reiserfs [01:15] <fake> i stopped using it when i lost a harddrive full of valuable data [01:16] <lewellyn> mount -o ro,remount /mountpoint [01:16] <lewellyn> that will prevent writes [01:17] <lewellyn> but reiser did not impress me. and i know little about it due to that [01:20] <IT_Ninja> what would be the best channel to ask my questions in? [01:20] <IT_Ninja> scanning them all right now [01:22] <fake> IT_Ninja: There is an IRC channel for reiser4 and reiserfs discussion: #reiser4 on irc.oftc.net [01:23] <IT_Ninja> thanks [01:23] <fake> (from the reiserfs homepage, www.namesys.com) [01:24] <lewellyn> YAY!!! [01:24] <lewellyn> i can hotsync through vmware! :) [01:29] <fake> party! [01:29] <fake> ;) [01:33] <esden> ok one tape works [01:33] IT_Ninja (~notmy@170-215-104-126.bras01.cok.tn.frontiernet.net) left #rocklinux. [01:33] <esden> all others seem to be fried [01:33] <fake> esden: who cares *g* [01:34] <esden> the guy that gave me the box ;) [01:34] <esden> but he can not read that stuff anyway [01:34] <fake> ... [01:34] <esden> because he does not have the application to read that [01:35] <esden> you can not even read that on the alpha as far as I sea it for now [01:35] <fake> great backup strategy ;) [01:35] <esden> you need a client box that can read the data [01:35] Freak (freak@helena.bawue.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:35] <esden> no you can recover the backup [01:35] <esden> but the data you recover can only be accessed with a client running on dos on an other box [01:36] <esden> strange stuff [01:36] <esden> but I want to tell that guy that I tried [01:38] <fake> i understand. [01:39] <esden> ahh the download is near to a finish [01:40] <fake> esden: i have a crystal ppc finished... [01:41] <esden> hehe .. I could expect that the tapes are corrupted ... they are DDS3 ;) [01:43] <esden> humm ... and you expect me to install it on my powerbook? [01:44] <fake> of course. [01:45] <fake> i built it just for you. [01:46] <fake> i grepped through it and replaced 'linux' by 'esden' everywhere... [01:46] <esden> give me an emulator in the kind of vmware for ppc and I will do it [01:46] <esden> woooooooow [01:46] <fake> run mol -> virtual pc ;) [01:46] <fake> or wine -> vmware *g* [01:46] <esden> erm ... that is the wrong direction ... [01:46] <esden> vmware in wine [01:47] <fake> mol -> OS X -> virtual pc -> wrong_os [01:47] <esden> I am not really sure that it will work [01:47] <esden> I need a virtual machine that simulates a virtual ppc machine [01:47] <esden> for mac os x ... [01:47] <esden> then I can install linux [01:47] <fake> huh [01:48] <fake> why not running macos X in mol? [01:48] <esden> then I have to install linux on a partition [01:48] <fake> yes? [01:48] <fake> oh no! not partitions again! ;)) [01:48] <esden> I am to lazy to resize the partitions I have currently ... I do not even know if it is possible [01:49] <fake> i bet there is a very colorful and very expensive software for that... [01:50] <esden> humm ... in the harddisk manager are the partitioning options locked :( [01:50] <fake> why? [01:50] <esden> dunno yet [01:50] <fake> maybe you need to call 1-900-APPLE ;) [01:51] <fake> *blip* please enter your credit card number... [01:52] <mnemoc> o_O [01:52] <fake> cool, the guys from bluez.org will hold a talk about bluetooth security on 21C3 - we should attend! [01:54] <esden> lol: https://www.google.de/search?q=cache:Yh-STW1zlwwJ:www.intuitive.com/blog/archives/000673.html+mac+os+x+resizing+partitions&hl=de [02:24] <fake> damn [02:25] <fake> the readline update wasn't healthy for sparc... [02:26] esden_ (~esden@p508046A5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [02:32] <esden_> re [02:32] <esden_> fake: how are you advancing with irda? [02:34] <fake> that visual c++ crap is driving me nuts [02:35] <fake> but i'm at it... [02:37] <mnemoc> why are you using such crap? [02:38] <esden_> fake: my condolences ... [02:39] <fake> mnemoc: ... [02:39] <fake> fixing the crap others created [02:41] esden (~esden@p50804064.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:41] Nick change: esden_ -> esden [02:42] <mnemoc> findutils 4.2.10 has a damn verbose `find` ... :\ [02:44] <esden> my holy jesus that tape is _capacitive_ [02:47] <lewellyn> someone mentioned running a ppc on osx? [02:47] <fake> how much is on it? [02:47] <lewellyn> pearpc didn't do it? [02:47] <fake> pearpc is a pure emulator [02:48] <fake> he's looking for something like vmware, e.g. abstraction only [02:48] <lewellyn> oh [02:48] SteffenP (steffen@p3E9EAD49.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [02:48] <lewellyn> none that i know of are in distribution to the masses [02:49] <esden> damn [02:49] <esden> fake ... dunno but the target filesystem is nearly full now [02:49] <esden> and still a lot to unpack [02:50] <fake> esden: praised be nfs [02:50] <esden> ok ... now it is full [02:50] <esden> I do not know if I am able to mount nfs on that old crappy unix [02:56] <esden> ROFL [02:57] <esden> I have not seen such an unsecure box for a _VERY_ long time! [02:57] <esden> or better: never! [03:02] <fake> what's wrong? [03:03] <esden> fake: everything is open in that box [03:03] <esden> ftp ... telnet [03:04] <esden> and everywhere you can log in as root [03:04] <esden> and the root password is not really a secure one [03:05] <esden> it is a miracle that it is set at all! [03:05] <fake> hehe [03:11] <esden> is there a possibility to repeat the last command executed in csh? [03:12] <lewellyn> !! [03:12] <esden> lewellyn: ? [03:12] <lewellyn> that's the command ;) [03:12] <esden> ohh [03:12] <esden> thanks ;) [03:12] <esden> m-feria # !! [03:12] <esden> !!: not found [03:12] <esden> m-feria # [03:12] <lewellyn> n.b.: i am not a csh user, so don't complain to me if it doesn't work exactly right ;) [03:12] <lewellyn> hrm [03:12] <lewellyn> dunno [03:12] <esden> hrm [03:13] <fake> cut-and-paste it using the serial console mouse *g* [03:17] <esden> hehe ... cool ... they describe a built in command called history in the csh manpage but the csh installed is not supporting it ;) [03:18] <esden> ok ... that is not csh that is running as default shell [03:18] <esden> it is something else ... [03:18] <esden> but what? [03:19] <fake> zsh ? [03:19] <fake> ksh? [03:20] Action: mnemoc don't remember how to use a csh [03:20] <esden> fake: the binary is called simply /sbin/sh ... but it accepts no parameters and simply starts [03:20] <esden> so I can not find out what shell it is [03:21] <mnemoc> strings /bin/sh [03:21] <mnemoc> :) [03:23] <esden> humm strings is not revealing anything [03:24] <esden> beside the names of the cfiles that were used to write that peace of shit [03:24] <esden> and that it was in a directory called posix some time ... :/ [03:24] <esden> or so [03:27] <esden> damn dds3 drive ... I will take a psu in a moment turn it to 220Volts and stick it in it so it runs faster! [04:07] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-095-188.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [04:07] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-101-251.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:07] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [04:11] <fake> haha [04:11] Action: fake just updated his running system to kde 3.3.2 [04:11] <fake> sw33t [04:14] <mnemoc> any difference? [04:14] <fake> errm [04:14] <fake> all version numbers are now 3.3.1 ;)) [04:14] <fake> err [04:14] <fake> 3.3.2 [04:15] <mnemoc> cool =) [04:15] <fake> 3 less patches needed [04:15] <mnemoc> that's an improvemente, how many new patches? [04:15] <fake> none ! [04:16] <mnemoc> really? [04:16] <fake> yes. [04:16] <mnemoc> amazing [04:16] <fake> https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004121003592329956 [04:17] <mnemoc> :) [04:22] <esden> hehe ... I increased the block size value of dd and (who would expect it) the dds3 drive is not so slow afterall ;) [04:32] <esden> argh ... the basic packages for a rock install are bigger then 1GB [04:32] <esden> o_O [04:32] <esden> or is the calculation wrong? [04:33] <fake> most likely not [04:35] <esden> humm .. [04:35] <esden> ok now removing some stuff [05:26] lewellyn (~mjl@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:28] ojh (~omer@67-42-48-224.eugn.qwest.net) joined #rocklinux. [05:31] <ojh> I need some help with a custom package .conf file [05:31] <mnemoc> talk [05:32] <fake> that's an order [05:32] <fake> *g* [05:32] <mnemoc> :) [05:33] <ojh> OK, I'm attempting to make a build file for the LazyFS module and it needs some tricks . . . . the source tarbal is packed in a signed GPG file [05:33] <fake> uuh... [05:33] <ojh> I need to intercept it run gpg on it and pass the resulting tarball for notmal configing and building. [05:34] <ojh> (Yes I know VERY ODD) [05:34] <mnemoc> you may disable autoextract and do you odd extract on prepatch [05:34] <fake> you'd need to add support for that to scripts/Download [05:35] <ojh> I am following the use of the 'custmain' directive from he NVIDIA conf file, will the build system see the tarball . . . . [05:35] <fake> mnemoc: what if there's no gnupg? [05:35] <esden> ok ... finally compiling a kernel for the damn dell machine ... *sigh* [05:35] <mnemoc> to keep unisgned tarball on /mirror ? [05:35] <fake> custmain is executed after extracting [05:35] <esden> and the nic in the alpha sucks badly! [05:35] <fake> mnemoc: like any other tarball [05:35] <esden> it is sooooooo slow [05:36] <mnemoc> what if there is no gnupg on downlaod ? [05:36] <mnemoc> ojh: don't they share an unsigned tarball? [05:37] <ojh> Well, manualy stuffing the tarball in ./download/ojh/lazyfs/ would work . . . . . . [05:37] <fake> mnemoc: i intended that non-signed-on-mirror thing... [05:37] <fake> because normal users use mirrors [05:37] <ojh> No for some paranoid reson. [05:37] <mnemoc> true [05:37] <fake> ojh: download/ojh/ ? are you working on stable? [05:37] <mnemoc> what would they think if we share an unsigned tarball of their product? [05:38] <ojh> It is under the GPL . . . . . so . . . . . . [05:38] <fake> i don't really care what 'they think' [05:38] <mnemoc> ok :) [05:38] <ojh> Exactly :) [05:39] <fake> exactly as they don't really care what other people think about their release methods ;) [05:39] <fake> btw: what is lazyfs? [05:39] <ojh> At this point I want to build the full Zero-Install system as a core part of my customized ROCK based distro. [05:40] <ojh> (lazyfs is the kernel part of Zero-Install) [05:40] <mnemoc> can you unsign it and share it? using your address as [D] ? [05:41] <fake> hey, i just wanted to write tha [05:41] <fake> +t [05:41] <mnemoc> go and write it :) [05:41] <fake> can you unsign it and share it? using your address as [D] ? [05:41] <fake> ;-) [05:41] <mnemoc> =) [05:42] <ojh> Another problem I have is that the User part of needs to create a non-root user as part of te install process [05:42] <ojh> I was intending to use the same trick as I see in the Nvidia build script. [05:42] <mnemoc> ojh: look into cron and see how it created the user [05:43] <fake> see package/base/openssh/postsysfiles.in [05:43] <fake> or cron... [05:43] <mnemoc> :) [05:43] <ojh> The build for 0install is './configure --with-user=zeroinst' [05:44] <ojh> some non-root needs to be used for zeroinst [05:44] <ojh> THX for the examples to check :) [05:44] <esden> humm ... it is really amusing watching you two (mnemoc, fake) explaining stuff ;) [05:45] <mnemoc> why? [05:45] Action: fake will go watch enterprise season4 soon... [05:45] <esden> you both are saying the same things ... nearly simultanously ... [05:45] <mnemoc> :) [05:46] <fake> just feeding google: https://www.google.de [05:46] <mnemoc> i'm a fake of fake := [05:46] <esden> lol [05:46] <fake> <a href="https://www.google.de"> google likes irc logs from rock linux </a> [05:47] <mnemoc> google tend to show me asking the stuff i ask him :\ [05:48] <ojh> I'll ask mr Thomas Leonard about posting a non-GPG tarballs . . . [05:48] <ojh> It would be best if we all could be able to build 0install easely. [05:48] <esden> is sonar running somewhere else beside scavenger? [05:50] <esden> aaaargh [05:51] <esden> damn vi package [05:51] <esden> the vi contained in crystal-emu is depending on X11!!!! [05:51] Action: esden wants to kill [05:51] <mnemoc> now we are closer to redhat! :) [05:52] <esden> who packaged that! [05:52] <esden> why is that binary depending on X11? [05:52] <mnemoc> i'll go to sleep... have fun :p [05:53] <mnemoc> there is an option to split vim of xvim [05:54] <esden> but why is it not done in the official stable iso? o_O [05:56] <fake> ask th... [05:57] Action: fake goes wathcing enterprise now [05:57] <fake> sleep well! [05:58] <esden> ok ... I go to bed now too [05:59] <esden> enough for today ... [05:59] <ojh> Night, all. [06:09] ojh (~omer@67-42-48-224.eugn.qwest.net) left #rocklinux. [07:28] <netrunner> moin [07:40] Nick change: BoS^afk -> BoS^home [08:05] <blindcoder> moin [08:12] kasc_ (kasc@dsl-082-083-044-240.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:23] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-046-029.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:23] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [08:30] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8E240.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:30] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8E23A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [09:37] <netrunner> where does pkg-config read the version from? in /opt/xfce4/lib/pkgconfig/libxfce4mcs-client-1.0.pc I see a line "Version: 4.1.99.1" but it reports 4.1.90 [09:45] <netrunner> (and I was looking for 4.1.91) [09:51] <netrunner> gngn, there was an old .pc lingering in /usr/lib :/ [09:52] <th> moin [09:53] <th> 2192 builds total, 1797 completed fine, 0 with errors. [09:53] <th> hmm looks good so far [09:56] <blindcoder> sweet [10:13] <netrunner> ah, now my xfce4 builds :) [10:16] <owl> moin *yaaaawn* [12:06] Action: netrunner working through an abandoned submaster trunk [12:20] <blindcoder> back [12:38] <netrunner> clifford: I think submaster does not dequeue revisions y when using the command 'sm patch x y z' [12:50] <SerWou> Hello the Chan [12:59] <daja77> re [12:59] <clifford> netrunner: hmm.. I'm pretty sure it does. I've done that already many times. [13:00] <daja77> it had old revisions in the queue after sm recreate ... [13:02] <clifford> ah - ok. that would explain it. [13:17] <daja77> clifford: i thought that submaster could (re)create the local svn repos with new fsfs backend, which works a lot faster on commits [13:17] <daja77> i could prepare a patch for it if you like [13:17] Action: netrunner uploading a few patches, hope there are no dupes in ... (checked against trunk) [13:20] <clifford> daja77: sure, why not. [13:22] <th> clifford: have you had a look at 2.0.3? do you have any suggestions for 2.0.4? [13:22] <esden> hi ho everyone [13:22] <clifford> th: no and no. [13:23] <th> clifford: you had your chance ;) [13:23] <netrunner> clifford: is it intendet that I always get submaster mails for my patches twice? [13:23] <netrunner> s/et/ed/ [13:24] <clifford> netrunner: you don't get them twice. [13:24] <clifford> but you are also subscribed to the submaster mailing-list I guess. [13:25] <netrunner> clifford: yes. [13:25] <clifford> so you get the mails once thru the list and once directly from submaster because it's your patch. [13:25] <netrunner> hm. ./scripts/Build-Pkg: architecture/x86/gcc-options: line 20: syntax error near unexpected token `<<<' [13:25] <netrunner> how I hate these syncs [13:26] <clifford> hmm... '<<<' would be valid SPL code. maybe I should redesign some aspects of the language.. ;-) [13:28] <daja77> netrunner: svn status | grep ^C should show you files in conflict [13:28] <th> clifford: would "====" be valid too? [13:28] <netrunner> daja77: yes thx I know :) the sync is still running and has the working copy locked. [13:28] <clifford> no. [13:28] <clifford> .. but I could change that *evilgrin* ;-) [13:28] <th> ;> [13:29] <clifford> th: I'm doing even more gasgui/mine changes now. [13:29] <clifford> the incompatible stuff is turned of if ROCK20 is defined - is that a good solution in your opinion? [13:30] <netrunner> clifford: what about reading /etc/ROCK-VERSION? [13:31] <netrunner> or using a switch ... one could install a stable and emerge some packages from trunk... [13:31] <clifford> netrunner: what if you are trying to install ROCK from a debian? [13:31] <clifford> the changes are just gasgui changes - you wouldn't do that with gasgui. [13:32] <netrunner> ah ok, thought of mine. [13:33] <clifford> gem files in 2.1 are named <package>-<ver>-<extraver>.gem [13:33] <clifford> in 2.0 there is no "-<extraver>" [13:33] <th> it would be good if one mine binary could handle both. [13:34] <th> and at compile time... [13:34] <th> a default should be set [13:34] <blindcoder> WEE, Crystal for K6-2 almost done :) [13:35] <clifford> th: It's really just a gasgui thing. [13:35] <th> yea that's ok then [13:36] <th> clifford: so i could update mine in stable and add some makeopt? [13:37] <clifford> yes. [13:37] <th> ok. fine with me. [13:48] <blindcoder> Error logs from default-2.1.0-DEV-x86-k6-2-32-crystal: [13:48] <blindcoder> 314 builds total, 314 completed fine, 0 with errors. [13:48] <blindcoder> sweet [13:50] <esden> hrm ... [13:50] <blindcoder> mrh [13:50] <esden> I installed stable rock 2.0.3 crystal-emu ... and now I try to use 2.6.9 kernel on it [13:50] <th> esden: and? [13:51] SteffenP (~steffen@p3E9EA0AA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:51] <th> esden: keep me posted. [13:51] <esden> and when I try to boot it it says "Warning: can not open initial console" [13:51] Action: blindcoder building a bootdisk for the K6-2 build [13:52] <esden> th: and another thing ... the vi provided with it is depending on xfree ... that is baaaaaad!!!! ;) [13:52] <esden> I had to compile vi myself ... otherwise the installation would not fit on the 1GB drive I have ;) [13:55] <netrunner> hah, learned something new: For usb mp3 players with additional slot the kernel option CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN must be set [14:07] <th> esden: you are telling me that the vanilla 2.0.3 bootdisk does not boot? [14:07] <daja77> *sigh* the sm patches do not apply [14:09] <esden> argh ... no wonder that it does not work ... I forgot to add devfs >_< [14:09] <th> esden: that would have been my next question [14:09] <clifford> daja77: https://www.rocklinux.net/people/clifford/results/current/ [14:09] <clifford> .. here are the fixdiff files I'm using right now. [14:09] <esden> th: no the bootdisk boots [14:10] <daja77> how can i use them with smap? [14:10] <th> esden: and the system as well - unless you forget devfs [14:10] <th> esden: how is your ROCKCFG_PKG_VIM_TWO_BINARIES confopt set? [14:11] <daja77> ah not that many fixdiffs [14:14] <esden> th: I used the official iso [14:17] <th> esden: so this is not stable specific. i guess you would have had the same with trunk [14:18] <th> esden: and the default is to have two vim build passes [14:18] <blindcoder> clifford: what does the X in [P] mean? [14:18] <th> esden: so the "vim" binary should differ from the "gvim" one and should not be dependand on x [14:19] <esden> th: but it is in the official 2.0.3 iso ... and I think it should be changed ;) [14:19] treo (~xfman@Dabda.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:20] <treo> sali [14:21] <th> esden: what should be changed? [14:22] <th> are you talking of the vim-6.2.gem with cksum 284634179? [14:24] <esden> the gem file included in the official 2.0.3 crystal-emu iso on iso.rocklinux.de (that seems to be down at the moment) [14:28] <th> esden: i'm checking that [14:28] <esden> kk [14:29] krash-monster (~chatzilla@as1a-168.chcg3.il.core.com) joined #rocklinux. [14:29] krash-monster (~chatzilla@as1a-168.chcg3.il.core.com) left #rocklinux. [14:31] Action: netrunner 's /usr/bin/vi{,m} is not linked against X [14:31] <esden> damn sata raid >_< [14:32] <netrunner> esden: not working? [14:32] <esden> ata_piix is not detecting it ... [14:32] <esden> I am not sure if I missed something [14:49] Nick change: BoS^home -> BoS^afk [15:05] <daja77> *sigh* [15:06] <daja77> sm is a nightmare today [15:14] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.100) joined #rocklinux. [15:14] <madtux> hello. [15:24] <esden> does anyone know how I find out which network cards are supported in an alpha server 4100? [15:27] <madtux> perhaps alphalinux.org is a good place to start? [15:29] <owl> https://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/as4100/as4100_19_options_sorted.html#OptListHead << maybe here? [15:30] <madtux> hello owlita? [15:30] <owl> hi madtux [15:30] <madtux> i mean owlita! [15:31] <blindcoder> wee [15:31] <madtux> woo! [15:31] <blindcoder> hit an irssi bug [15:31] <owl> huh? [15:32] <blindcoder> just a small displaying bug [15:32] <owl> where? [15:33] <owl> <- having shower and hoping that the hole in the head is not opening again [15:33] <owl> bye, bye. wish me luck. [15:33] <madtux> have fun eule [15:34] <owl> thx. :( [15:34] <blindcoder> take care that your brains don't fall out :) [15:34] <owl> nah. that's not possible. the whole is just about 3 - 4 mm deep [15:35] <owl> but i want to remove the blood out of my hair... i'm looking a bit like with having "dreadlocks" [15:35] <madtux> owl: so how did u make that hole? [15:36] <madtux> owl: maybe u would like to for "Hole in my soul" and make a song called "Hole in my head" ? [15:36] <esden> humm ... [15:36] <esden> it will be difficult to find a matching network card :( [15:37] <owl> madtux: accident. to dumb to walk && lost balance && flew above my own feets - and there was the wall.. [15:37] <madtux> ouch! [15:37] <owl> esden: which ones do you exactly need? [15:38] <esden> a card that is supported by digital unix (Tru64) and is a 100BaseT [15:38] <esden> pci [15:38] <owl> madtux: jap. my bf and my parents were "a bit shocked" cuz i was lieing in a puddle of blood coming out of my head. [15:38] <esden> some kind of Tulip or DEC Chip [15:38] <madtux> owl: well i hope u get well soon [15:39] <owl> esden: hmm. wait a second... arent't old 3com NICs tulip? [15:39] <owl> madtux: thx [15:39] <esden> urgh ... dunno [15:39] <owl> i guess they're... i have much NICs here... will have a look then, ok? [15:40] Action: esden currently moving 800MB file from the alpha with 15kb/s :( [15:40] <esden> that is _SLOW_ [15:40] <esden> owl: yes thank you very much [15:40] <madtux> esden: btw Dzien dobry! Jak sie masz? [15:40] <esden> fine thanks madtux [15:40] <esden> and you? [15:40] <madtux> waa! damn slow [15:41] <owl> esden: hehe. faster than isdn *vbeg* de nada [15:41] <esden> owl: >_< [15:41] <owl> esden: hm? [15:41] <madtux> Dobrze, dziekuje. [15:41] <esden> owl: the download is running since yesterday [15:41] <esden> and I have another 2 or 3 GB to move [15:42] <owl> *ggg* i can imagine. have fun :) [15:42] <esden> the 800MB file is only one of 5 files [15:43] <owl> hmm. well. i will first have a shower, then take a look for NICs. cya [15:45] <esden> sigh ... the machine is to high to fit under the table ;( [15:45] <esden> mamaaaaa! [15:45] <esden> today is not my day! [15:46] <daja77> think for me too [15:47] <daja77> oh xfree is still rock default [15:49] <madtux> 0_o [16:31] Action: treo is away: duschn [16:50] <daja77> Downloading download/mirror/I/ImageMagick-6.1.6-2.tar.bz2 ... [16:51] <daja77> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 [16:51] <daja77> *ARGL* [16:52] <netrunner> r115 | root | 2004-12-10 13:15:31 +0100 (Fri, 10 Dec 2004) | 4 lines [16:52] <netrunner> Andreas V. Meier: [16:52] <netrunner> update imagemagick(6.1.6-3) [16:52] <netrunner> shall I send it :) [16:52] <daja77> yes ... [16:52] <netrunner> it's against trunk ... well. [16:53] <daja77> so it doesn't apply? [16:53] <netrunner> if you have trunk, it does :) [16:53] <netrunner> (I hope.) [16:53] <daja77> trunk + patches [16:54] <netrunner> argh, my tree is broken due to sm sync, I push what I have ... [16:56] <esden> hehe ... I think I got a network card! :) [17:01] <madtux> tell us more :) [17:04] <esden> I can not ... I wait till the one download is here ... and then I will shutdown the server and insert the new card [17:04] <esden> it is a 100BaseT card [17:05] <esden> that is the most positive thing about it [17:05] <esden> the question is if digital unix will support it ... [17:05] <daja77> you'll build rock on true64? [17:06] <esden> nooooo! [17:06] <esden> I have to backup some stuff from the tapes [17:06] <daja77> j/k [17:07] <esden> when I can recover his data I can say ... ok .. here is the cdrom with the data ... and you give me the machine ... not only borrow ;) [17:09] <esden> then I will first install debian on the machine ... and start building rock ... or perhups cross build ... [17:09] <esden> dunno .. I am not sure yet [17:09] <madtux> daja77: u forgot to say please [17:09] <madtux> :) [17:09] <daja77> lol [17:10] <madtux> esden: cross build will do the trick for u [17:10] <esden> madtux: no please ... ... I invested two days in recovering the data ... and have nearly not slept ... I deserve that machine!!!!1 [17:10] <esden> ;) [17:10] <madtux> sure.. you deserve the machina.. and the machine deserves rock on true64 on it [17:11] <madtux> :) [17:11] <esden> and imagine that ... others tried to recover the data too ... for already 3 years by now ;) [17:11] <esden> and they were unsuccessful ;) [17:11] <madtux> lol [17:11] <madtux> :) [17:11] <daja77> hehe [17:11] <madtux> daja77: yes i'm good with words :) [17:13] Action: daja77 'd like to have the cksum testing in the background ... [17:13] <esden> half an hour for 40MB ... *sigh* [17:13] <daja77> so put a pillow on the machine and sleep [17:14] <esden> hehe ... [17:14] <esden> I get a digital camera ... and make some photos [17:14] <daja77> do that [17:14] <esden> when the download completes I will be able to make some naked pics of that box :) [17:15] Action: treo is back (gone 00:43:46) [17:17] <madtux> esden: _PLEASE make sure the naked pics will be ONLY of the machine.. _OR_ of a pretty GIRL ok? [17:17] <madtux> :) [17:17] <madtux> daja77: and he needs no sleep. [17:17] <madtux> esden: remember sleeping is for the birds.. u have to rock that alpha [17:17] <daja77> you are evil [17:19] <madtux> just 1/2 a bit. [17:19] <madtux> :) [17:28] <esden> madtux: :P [17:28] <esden> ok ... some photos made [17:33] <madtux> esden: of the COMPUTER right? [17:36] <esden> no of me me me!!!1 :P [17:36] <madtux> urrggs [17:37] <daja77> esden is a cutie ... [17:37] <madtux> OMFG [17:37] Action: madtux slowly steps away [17:38] <daja77> :D [17:38] <esden> :D [17:43] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAB9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:44] <esden> ok ... uploading images ;) [17:50] <esden> https://www.esden.net/bilder/alpha_server/ [17:50] <esden> here they are ;) [17:50] <esden> more to come ;) [17:51] <esden> and what do you say guys? [17:52] <th> esden: is that at your home? [17:53] <esden> no at the office ... I have no truck to transport these machines yet [17:53] <th> i was just about to ask two questions: [17:53] <esden> yes?... [17:53] <th> why is your home so tidied [17:53] <th> and [17:53] <th> you have to much room left at home? [17:54] <esden> lol [17:55] <tcr> DEC alpha? [17:55] <esden> space is a expandable thing [17:55] <esden> you always find a new space when you search for it ;) [17:55] <esden> tcr: digital alpha ... but that is the same at the end ;) [17:58] <tcr> *37.jpg looks a bit like pci? [18:00] <esden> it is pci [18:02] <tcr> I thought that would be used by pc and apple, heard of sun supporting it too in more recent things.. :) [18:09] <treo> bye [18:10] treo (~xfman@Dabda.d.pppool.de) left irc: "cya@all" [18:42] th (th@thzn.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:42] SMP (~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] <esden> tcr: alpha has pci already for a very long time [18:43] <esden> in my box there is pci 64 [18:43] <esden> and it is from year 1995 [18:43] tcr (~tcr@pD9EAB9A4.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] <esden> hrm [18:52] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.100) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:53] <esden> why is everyone leaving? [18:54] <netrunner> esden: because you appeared? :) [18:54] <esden> :P [19:01] <netrunner> grmpf. svn: The REPORT request returned invalid XML in the response: XML parse error at line 29020: Couldn't find end of Start Tag S:set-prop [19:07] <esden> ok some more pictures online: https://www.esden.net/bilder/alpha_server/ [19:29] th (th@thzn.de) joined #rocklinux. [19:29] SMP_ (~stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:36] <th> esden: now i know why vim is linked against X11. [19:37] <th> esden: it's because of --enable-pythoninterp [19:37] <th> esden: our python is linked against X11 [19:37] <esden> hrm ... very nice >_< [19:38] <esden> so that is why when I start vim it complaint that the x11 libraries are not there ... >_< [19:38] <th> esden: i remove the --enable-pythoninterp [19:38] <th> esden: do you have python installed? [19:38] <th> esden: try starting the interpreter [19:38] <esden> yes I have [19:38] <th> i guess it will complain too [19:38] <esden> but I think that standard vim should have as small deps as possible [19:39] <th> esden: well i made a first step towards that. i removed the python stuff [19:39] <esden> if someone needs more bloated vim should recompile it ... [19:39] <esden> that is my opinion [19:40] <esden> th: to do the test I have to insert the disc back in the box ... [19:40] <esden> and before I do that I need to burn a dvd ... [19:40] <esden> that will take some time [19:40] <th> esden: no hurry. [19:40] <th> esden: just let me know [19:43] <esden> kk [19:43] <th> thanks [19:45] <th> esden: the vim libX11 problem will be fixed in 2.0.4 [19:46] <esden> ok [20:05] _Ragnar_ (loki@abarrach.franken.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:05] _Ragnar_ (loki@abarrach.franken.de) joined #rocklinux. [20:09] tcr (~tcr@p54879935.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [20:11] <owl> remoin [20:11] <esden> re owl [20:11] <owl> esden: bad luck for you. sorry, no tulip-card... at least i didn't see one [20:12] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.100) joined #rocklinux. [20:14] <owl> wb madtux [20:14] <esden> no problem ... I have one now ... it is being detected by srm but not by the operating system ... but I think that is solvable [20:14] <madtux> thx owly [20:14] <esden> thank you anyways for searching [20:14] <owl> no problem [20:15] <tcr> re all. [20:22] <esden> re tcr [20:26] <esden> wooow cpio rulez [20:26] <esden> now I know what is my alternative tool to tar [20:27] <madtux> :P [20:27] <esden> sorry ... I did not know it till now ... [20:27] <esden> it is not my fault [20:30] <madtux> yes it is [20:31] <madtux> well actually i think we could just blame it on daja77 [20:32] <tcr> madtux, no that's only valid when the concern is about pregnancy. [20:33] <madtux> well in self defence u can always tell "tongue doesn't make babys" [20:33] <tcr> I read somewhere that spittle contains spermata. [20:34] <tcr> Don't ask where how they come from the testicles there. [20:34] <th> tcr: that doesn't apply for all of us. [20:34] <tcr> s,where,, [20:34] <madtux> i'm not interested in knwoing how :) [20:35] <madtux> tcr: now i really hope that this is just something u _READ_ somewhere :) [20:35] <madtux> th: well said [20:35] <tcr> th: _please_, don't remark that you're diffferent so persistently. ;) [20:36] <th> tcr: heh you are good at this. [20:36] <th> .oO(i guess he hears that ever and ever again.) [20:36] <tcr> At being different? [20:37] <tcr> madtux, I'm working on a proof. 8) [20:37] <madtux> tcr: i'm not really sure if i want to see that "proof" [20:37] <madtux> :) [20:38] <tcr> You mean the act or the product? [20:38] <th> i was just about to ask... [20:38] <th> madtux: you can always close your eyes. [20:38] <tcr> No he can't. That his problem. [20:39] <tcr> because of stimulation, probably. ;) [20:40] <madtux> th: well i don't want to find out if i will want to close my eyes.. by the time i find it out it will be too late and the psycological demage will be done.. [20:40] <tcr> Never seen alien sex? [20:41] <th> tcr: you're an alien? [20:41] <madtux> no.. what's the url again? [20:41] <madtux> :) [20:41] <tcr> https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=alien+pr0n&btnG=Google-Suche&meta= [20:41] <madtux> omg.. [20:42] <madtux> he actually has something [20:42] <tcr> th: I thought you already found out. [20:42] <mnemoc> o_O [20:42] <tcr> With `he' you mean the google god? [20:48] <mnemoc> he means you :) [20:49] <esden> madtux: there are new photos of the alpha sbtw [20:50] <madtux> esden: good [20:50] <madtux> ONLY of the alpha right? :) [20:51] <th> 2192 builds total, 2187 completed fine, 0 with errors. [20:51] <madtux> th: nice [20:51] <th> that's gonna be 2.0.4 [20:51] <esden> madtux: no also of my crotch [20:52] <madtux> thaks for advicing [20:52] <esden> :P [20:54] <madtux> so what are u going to call it? [20:56] <esden> dunno yet [20:56] <esden> suggestions welcom [20:56] <esden> e [20:57] <esden> it should be a beautifull female name ... of a pretty girl ;) [20:57] <madtux> esden: btw there is no need to have space ont he trunk of ur care.. u can take the box in ur shoulders on the _WALK_ home :) [20:57] <esden> that is not really a long walk ... I sleep downstairs ;) [20:57] <madtux> so what the BIG problem? [20:58] <th> perhaps he won't carry girls he doesn't know the name of? [20:58] <th> not everyone does. [20:58] <esden> did I say that it is a big problem? [20:58] <esden> lol [20:58] <madtux> :P [21:01] <esden> angelina perhups ... [21:01] <th> perhaps miss piggy [21:02] <esden> th <- die [21:02] <esden> :P [21:02] <madtux> hehe [21:02] <esden> nono .. thank you ... miss piggy ... nono [21:02] <esden> hrm [21:03] <esden> ahh XTC Radio London rulez! [21:03] <tcr> esden: M'kota Dezhe. [21:03] <tcr> How about that name? [21:03] Action: esden found after a very long time a very nice new radio! [21:03] <esden> tcr ... who is that! [21:03] <esden> I can not even pronounce the name ... [21:03] <owl> Ä_' [21:03] <tcr> Heh, I can't too. Thought you could help me :) [21:04] <owl> 9$ [21:04] <esden> lol [21:04] <esden> owl? [21:04] <esden> hehe .. owl is killing her laptop ;) [21:04] <esden> I call the alpha -> owl ;) [21:04] <owl> nah. not yet. just grabbing my mobile [21:04] <owl> O_o [21:04] <esden> *GG* [21:05] <esden> or Sandra [21:05] <owl> and there was the "bettdecke" on my notebook -> "bettdecke" typed [21:06] <esden> bedcover? [21:06] <owl> dunno [21:07] <th> it's just a blanket [21:07] <esden> argh ... that really sucks that I can not smoke in the office!!! >_< [21:08] <owl> blanket! thx. this was the stuff i had in my had too! [21:08] <owl> esden: hahaha. :p [21:08] <esden> I take a look who is still here ... and check out if I may break a rule without expecting consequences ;) [21:09] <esden> owl: be carefull that I do not break a much more severe rule! [21:09] <esden> namely: "do not kill" [21:09] <esden> ;) [21:09] <owl> tstststs. if you're a non-smoker, you will probably smell(? riechen) the "cold smoke" [21:09] <esden> ack [21:09] <owl> esden: why? *vbeg* [21:09] <esden> nothing ... forget it [21:10] <th> owl: your english is at it's best again today. [21:11] <owl> th: yeah. i'm getting insane today because of the pain everywhere [21:11] <owl> <- might must visit the hospital tomorrow :( [21:18] <esden> ahh very nice ... now my connection is muuuuuuch better [21:19] <esden> :D [21:19] <owl> congrats [21:20] <esden> the wlan access point was positioned too near to earth ... and as it seem earth is sucking up radio waves ... ;) [21:20] <madtux> :) [21:36] <tcr> Bah, 10 minutes advertisement break is more than perky ("dreist") [22:00] <esden> on rtl you have 15 min advert in the prime time ... [22:14] ojh (~omer@67-42-51-4.eugn.qwest.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:14] <esden> hi ojh how is your zero install advancing? [22:14] <ojh> The ROCK build script seems to work just fine :) [22:15] <esden> nice [22:16] <ojh> My new puzzle is a package where the Make file is not in the root of the tarball. GRRRRR. How do I tell ROCK that the Make file is in a subdir? [22:18] <mnemoc> make -c subdir all [22:18] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:18] SteffenP (~steffen@p3E9EA0AA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [22:19] <mnemoc> oh sorry [22:19] <mnemoc> i missread [22:19] <mnemoc> mom [22:20] <mnemoc> srcdir=$pkg-$ver/subdir [22:20] <mnemoc> on .conf [22:20] <mnemoc> _or_ [22:20] <mnemoc> cd subdir on preconf [22:20] <ojh> I'll give that a try :) [22:22] <mnemoc> what are you packaging now? [22:22] <daja77> madtux: ? [22:22] <mnemoc> he is packaging madtux? [22:22] <th> madtux: what's your cksum? [22:23] <ojh> The 'ladspa' sound manipulstion libraries and SDK. [22:23] <madtux> 0_o [22:23] <ojh> I want to build the mhwaveedit program with the advanced sound filters. [22:24] <madtux> daja77: ? [22:24] <ojh> Its an advanced GTK audio editing program. [22:24] <daja77> you are blaming what on me O_o [22:24] <mnemoc> ojh: do your 0install users need sound manipulation or just for fun? [22:24] <madtux> daja77: i dunno i forgot [22:25] <madtux> oh yeah the fact that esden didn;t knew cpio exists [22:25] <ojh> Just for fun :) See: https://www.mtek.chalmers.se/~hjormagn/mhwaveedit.html [22:25] <daja77> hehe [22:27] <mnemoc> ojh: have you tried rene's GSMP? [22:27] <esden> daja77: you are lagging ;) [22:27] <ojh> Oh, and I hope that some day my project does have users . . . . [22:27] <ojh> I'll look. [22:27] <daja77> i've been to clug ... [22:28] <esden> users? you want users? ... believe me ... you do not want users! ;) [22:28] <mnemoc> :D [22:28] <ojh> LOL [22:28] <esden> users are pain in the ass! [22:29] <daja77> esden got used quite often [22:29] <mnemoc> who use esden? [22:29] <esden> asking dumb questions... spamming mailinglists... running behind you like a shadow on every cenvention you attend ... and so on! [22:29] <daja77> ask the users [22:29] <madtux> mnemoc: do u want to use esden? ;) [22:29] <esden> rofl! [22:30] <mnemoc> don't ask ;) [22:30] <madtux> esden: thats price for the fame [22:30] <daja77> .OO (no i could drink my alcohol alone) [22:30] <madtux> :) [22:30] <esden> madtux: fame? ... you do not need users for fame [22:31] Action: daja77 likes pretty female users [22:31] <madtux> esden: i have a very good dirty trick on the events.. most of the times maddog goes to the same events i go, so i just hang out with him and the fotomaniacs come around he gets more attention than i do so i can slowly step away :) [22:31] <mnemoc> friends are enough to create you a fame :) [22:31] <esden> ok ... in that case you are right daja77 ;) [22:32] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP [22:32] <madtux> he hates it when i look at him a huge evil green from behind the cameras :) [22:32] <madtux> +with [22:32] <esden> madtux: you mean a grin ... [22:32] <esden> right? [22:32] <daja77> think i have a quote from him mocking about german coffee [22:35] <madtux> grin yeah [22:35] <madtux> god damn i need coffee [22:35] <esden> argh: FUCK! : https://forums.us.dell.com/supportforums/board/message?board.id=sw_linux&message.id=5403 [22:35] <madtux> him = me? [22:38] <daja77> maddog [22:38] <madtux> oh :) [22:38] <madtux> find the quote [22:38] <madtux> :) [22:39] <th> esden: at which kernel version you are? [22:39] <th> esden: on 2.4 the -ac patches help [22:40] <esden> *sigh* ... i really really do not care which kernel I should use ... [22:40] <th> esden: so go for 2.6 [22:40] <mnemoc> grep -i ".*esden.*coffee" irclogs/freenode/*/\#rocklinux.* | wc -l [22:40] <mnemoc> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [22:41] <esden> forget it ... the drivers in 2.6.9 do not recognize the sata raid in that fscking dell [22:41] <esden> I tryied it already [22:41] <th> sata _raid_?? [22:41] <esden> mnemoc: hehe ... the program knows what it should do when you try to find something like that ;) [22:41] <esden> th: yes sata raid [22:42] <mnemoc> :) [22:42] <esden> this dell machine has a sata raid controller in it [22:42] <madtux> esden: would u mind fixing the driver and submiting a patch to the lkml? *please* [22:42] <th> esden: are you sure you want to use that raid controller? [22:42] <esden> madtux: *CRY* noooooooo *CRY* [22:42] <th> esden: i'd guess it's putting the work to the cpu. [22:43] <tcr> mnemoc, does the backtrace go back to some re_* functions og glibc? [22:43] <tcr> of [22:43] <th> esden: so you could use linux sw raid with no performance loss [22:43] <esden> th: no it does not [22:43] <th> esden: can you give me lspci output? [22:43] <esden> I try ... [22:44] <th> that's only ICH6 chip! [22:44] <th> i bet it let's the cpu do the work [22:44] <esden> can be ... [22:44] <th> it's like all these onboard raid-voodoo-controllers [22:44] <esden> nononono [22:44] <th> or cheap promise raid controller cards for ide [22:44] <esden> no it is not like that [22:45] <esden> if it would ... then it would miss what it should acheve [22:45] <esden> performance improovement [22:45] <th> perhaps it does. [22:45] <esden> these controllers are there so the io performance increases [22:45] <th> or perhaps you misunderstand what it should achieve. [22:45] <esden> and when moving the raid management to processor you would not gain anything [22:45] <th> thats not true [22:46] <esden> i read all docu that is avalable [22:46] <esden> or all I found ;) [22:46] <esden> *sigh* [22:46] <th> you can get performance from mirroring raid even if you give the work to the cpu [22:46] <esden> I still could switch the controller to legacy mode ... [22:46] <esden> but then I have to reinstall windows on that box ... [22:46] <th> that's what i'd suggest with ICH6 [22:46] <esden> hrm ... [22:47] <esden> ok ... I have no nerve anymore ... [22:47] <esden> I switch it [22:48] <ojh> Well, that made me almost go through the roof . . . . the build process for the LADSPA SDK plays a test sound after compiling . . . . I didn't lmow what was going on . . . . LOL [22:48] <esden> I want to start compiling for the alpha and not fuck around with intel crap >_< [22:53] <blindcoder> hi [22:58] tcr (~tcr@p54879935.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] <esden> th: you were right ... this is really a software raid [23:05] <esden> but on bios level [23:05] <esden> hi blindcoder [23:05] ojh (~omer@67-42-51-4.eugn.qwest.net) left #rocklinux. [23:07] <esden> WEEEEE the drives are being detected!!!! [23:07] <esden> thank you god!!!! [23:07] <esden> *sigh* [23:07] <madtux> u are welcome. [23:07] <madtux> *g* [23:10] <blindcoder> ah, nothing like having successfully started a long flame war :) [23:10] <daja77> where? [23:10] <blindcoder> on a local newsgroup in Ingolstadt about statistics :) [23:10] <madtux> good job blindcoder [23:11] <th> damn. we need more mirrors :-( [23:11] <blindcoder> th: how so? [23:11] <th> binary mirrors [23:11] <th> iso.rocklinux.de is not mirrored at all [23:11] <daja77> yep [23:11] <blindcoder> hmm, right [23:12] <th> and the source-master is not capable of holding binary stuff [23:16] <esden> ok ... now I have the information is needed to get rock running on that dell machine: https://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ [23:16] <esden> this has to be integrated into rock [23:17] <th> esden: why the hell do you want to use the bios for it? [23:17] <th> esden: let the kernel handle it [23:17] <esden> because I want that windows can work on that raid [23:18] <th> windows does not deserve to access a raid [23:19] <esden> hehe ... right ... but I still have to use it ... there is sadly no pcb layout software comparable to protel ;( [23:19] <esden> for linux [23:19] <esden> ok ... let me see ... [23:20] <esden> ohh ... besides ... the kernel contained in the stable iso I mentioned before is not containing the nessesary drivers to access the sata drives th [23:20] <esden> I need ata_piix driver [23:20] <th> esden: no. and the bootdisk has lots of other flaws [23:20] <th> esden: so use 2.6 [23:20] <esden> and libata [23:20] <th> (which is not in stable) [23:20] <esden> how? [23:20] <th> how what? [23:20] <esden> perfect [23:20] <th> well. [23:20] <th> just boot from a rescue system [23:21] <th> use mine to install the gems [23:21] <th> (set password and do ldconfig) [23:21] <th> setup your bootloader [23:21] <th> compile a kernel [23:21] <th> point your bootloader to it [23:21] <th> thats a lot easier than using a bootdisk target [23:21] <esden> or the linvecd from fake [23:21] <esden> right [23:21] <th> or my rescue cd [23:22] <esden> I have the livecd already here ... so I do not have to download anything more [23:22] <th> well iso.rocklinux.de is still down. so your choice is made. [23:23] <esden> why is it down? [23:23] <th> cause localhero is doing maintenance [23:23] <th> he is on it [23:23] <esden> I understand [23:48] madtux (~mike@200.91.101.100) left irc: "leaving" [00:00] --- Sat Dec 11 2004