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[01:51] <owl> re
[01:52] <daja77> wb
[01:54] <owl> thx
[02:04] <daja77> mnemoc: ?
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[02:23] <ojh> Quick question . . . . .
[02:25] <ojh> Anyone tryed upgrading using the ISOs from dROCK 2.0.0 to 2.0.3 . . . . . How much chaos will I unleash on myself if I try?
[02:25] <daja77> haven't tried due lack of drock 2.0.0 install
[02:28] <ojh> Will ROCK upgrade smoothly? Have any essential layouts changed? Does the upgrade process 'upgrade' the packages like the RH installer or would it just overwrite leaving residue from the old install.
[02:43] <daja77> can't say for sure
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[02:47] <Stormchaser> question: how do you make rocklinux bootable?
[02:48] <daja77> you mean an iso or an installed system?
[02:48] <Stormchaser> installed system
[02:48] <daja77> install a boot manager
[02:48] <Stormchaser> I am running some other version, how do I make it so, that I boot into rocklinux?
[02:49] <daja77> edit the config your bootmanager 
[02:49] <daja77> +of
[02:49] <Stormchaser> hm... What is "Athlon 4"?
[02:49] <daja77> hm?
[02:50] <Stormchaser> there is option in the build config stating "optimised for AMD Athlon 4"
[02:51] <daja77> dunno
[02:51] <ojh> daja77: THX for the input. I'll just save /etc and /home and delete everything and reinstall it. I'll try saving my custome packages as GEMs and hopefuly I won't have re rebuild everything.
[02:52] <daja77> hf
[02:53] <ojh> daja77: But I'll set up a second full install on my alternate partition first.
[02:53] <daja77> as you wish
[02:53] <Stormchaser> daja77: can you boot just into another directory or you need new partition?
[02:54] <daja77> new root partition
[02:54] <daja77> you could chroot into a dir
[02:56] <ojh> Stormchaser: I think you need to make sure that the 'bootable' flag is set on any partitions you want to set as bootable. Also make sure that GRUB is installed on a partition you DON'T do crazy experements on. Oh, keep a Knoppix CD on hand just in case ;)
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[03:00] <mnemoc> daja77: re
[03:02] <Stormchaser> ojh: :)
[03:03] <Stormchaser> um... where in the world is x.org? Which package?
[03:04] <mnemoc> xorg is on trunk, not on 2.0-stable
[03:05] <Stormchaser> I know... I am using trunk
[03:05] <Stormchaser> I have tried x x.org and x xorg, and I don't get option for it
[03:06] <mnemoc> the package is named xorg
[03:06] <mnemoc> and lives on the x11 repo
[03:07] <daja77> mnemoc: ah ok, just wanted to know which pakcages i need for mono
[03:08] Action: Stormchaser pokes his config
[03:10] <mnemoc> daja77: i wanted to update for devel branch but i'm haivng problems with gtk-sharp
[03:10] <mnemoc> daja77: for a basic mono you only need mono
[03:10] <mnemoc> daja77: and you can update it to 1.0.5 without changes
[03:11] <mnemoc> daja77: do you want GUI, asp.net or consle c#?
[03:11] <daja77> web services
[03:11] <mnemoc> mono mono-xsp and mod_mono
[03:12] <daja77> ok
[03:12] <daja77> damn shadow doesn't download
[03:13] <mnemoc> i think i have the last on my 'mirror'
[03:16] <daja77> strange the hp announces 4.0.5 as latest and we have 4.0.6, and that ftp is just broken
[03:17] <Stormchaser> em... Are the trunks different in svn://rocklinux.org and http://rocklinux.net?
[03:18] <daja77> no
[03:19] <Stormchaser> weird... I don't get the option for x.org anywhere :(
[03:19] <daja77> ~/me playing with rock-theme support
[03:19] <daja77> huh?
[03:20] <daja77> select expert options and go to x.org options
[03:21] <Stormchaser> I did... That's the problem... There is only xfree86 option there
[03:22] <daja77> i have that options here
[03:23] <Stormchaser> weird... Do you have anything else that x xorg?
[03:24] <daja77> hehe i should make that halloween pci of clifford to rock default background
[03:24] <daja77> yep xfree and x.org options
[03:24] <Stormchaser> hm... I'll try something else
[03:25] <Stormchaser> there we go
[03:25] <daja77> so started new livecd build
[03:25] <daja77> so i am off to bed now
[03:25] <Stormchaser> You need both packages... xfree86 AND xorg :/
[03:25] <Stormchaser> weird
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[04:10] <Stormchaser> ok... I configured everything... 2 more questions: 1) how can I change the config so that builddir != srcdir and 2) how do I start to buld it in the first place?
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[04:17] <SMP> huh? builddir != srcdir? what is it that you're trying to build?
[04:17] <Stormchaser> I just want to put the binaries into another partition...
[04:18] <SMP> well, mount (or mount --bind) it at build/
[04:19] <Stormchaser> great idea :)
[04:22] <Stormchaser> the build dir should be at target/<target>/build, right?
[04:23] <Stormchaser> (it's been a while since my last attempt to build
[04:26] <SMP> no
[04:26] <SMP> build/ is a top-level directory
[04:27] <SMP> then you get build/<config>/
[04:31] <owl> gn8
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[11:34] <owl> moin
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[11:40] <daja77> debug-xorg:[xc]# fixfile programs/xcursorgen/xcursorgen.c
[11:40] <daja77> bash: vi: command not found
[11:40] <daja77> O_o
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[12:25] <treo> moin
[12:36] <th> hmmmm. perl and awk both close stdin on exit. can i change that?
[12:37] <daja77> moin th
[12:37] <th> i guess any program does so.
[12:37] <th> moin daja77 
[12:38] <daja77> why you want to change that?
[12:38] <th> i need some piped-data to be processed by two processes
[12:38] <th> like:
[12:38] <th> cat xyz | ( first.pl ; rot13 )
[12:39] <daja77> cat xyz | first.pl | rot13?
[12:40] <th> daja77: that way rot13 would the part that first.pl has already processed
[12:40] <th> s,would,would get,
[12:40] <daja77> right
[12:40] <th> i don't want to put it on a tmp file
[12:41] <daja77> you could just cat twice and have two lines of code
[12:41] <th> in fact xyz is stdin
[12:43] <th> guess i need to daisy-chain that
[12:43] <th> and let first.pl invoke rot13
[12:43] <daja77> or doin the rot13 in perl
[12:44] <th> in fact it's not a rot13 what i need to do
[12:44] <th> and i won't do that in perl ;)
[12:44] <daja77> ah right you didn't like perl ;)
[12:45] <th> i hate this. the subshell should be able to handle input by two commands.
[12:46] <th> how do i shift $0 away and execute with remaining argv in perl?
[12:51] <SMP> actually I think the problem doesn't have to do with any closing
[12:52] <th> but?
[12:52] <th> with seeking to eof?
[12:52] <th> with sending eof to stdout?
[12:53] <SMP> I think stdio buffering already slurped all data in awk
[12:54] <th> ahh
[12:54] <th> how can i let perl stop buffering at all?
[12:55] <SMP> perlvar.1, wait ...
[12:55] <th> would be better to have this for awk but i doubt there is such
[12:55] <th> hmm there are awk variabels...
[12:56] <SMP> hmm. this should work right away in Perl. have you tried it?
[12:57] <th> tried what?
[12:58] <SMP> the awk thingie in Perl
[12:58] <th> yes
[12:58] <th> something like while (<STDIN>) { ... exit ...}
[12:58] <th> but the second process in subshell never gets anything after exit.
[13:01] <SMP> hmm. right
[13:01] <daja77> $|=1
[13:02] <SMP> that's output autoflush ...
[13:02] <daja77> ah yes right
[13:02] <SMP> sysread() should work of course ...
[13:03] <th> how would my while loop look like with sysread()?  my $line = sysread()
[13:03] <th> ?
[13:03] <th> or is sysread() not line oriented?
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[13:09] <owl> hi
[13:10] <SMP> gah.
[13:10] <SMP> actually, this can't work without peeking evey single character from stdin
[13:11] <th> why so?
[13:12] <SMP> because otherwise you can't know where a line ends without having consumed the input past the line ending
[13:12] <th> consumed up to the \n
[13:12] <th> i thought that's what line-wise reading is about
[13:12] <th> read up to \n; exit
[13:12] <SMP> yeah. and how do you know where the \n is ...
[13:13] <th> single char reading of course
[13:13] <th> but i don't wanna do that manually
[13:13] <th> lemme guess while (<>) {} is doing different?
[13:14] <th> reading more than just up to \n?
[13:14] <SMP> buffering, obviously
[13:15] <th> and it seems i can't stop it from doing so
[13:15] <th> where is the doc on <>?
[13:15] <th> currently i'm on perlfunc
[13:16] <SMP> it isn't exactly a function ...
[13:16] <SMP> but you can't alter that anyway
[13:17] <th> ahh perlop
[13:17] <th> and it's using readline
[13:18] <SMP> best way to do would be to have perl (or awk) read all of the input, passing the lines past the header to whatever program you want to run on it
[13:18] <SMP> but I guess you'd prefer to write that in python then, not perl ;)
[13:19] <th> SMP: how about exec'ing the second program?
[13:19] <SMP> fuck it ...
[13:20] <SMP> th: doesn't make the bytes magically reappear at the beginning of the input stream ;)
[13:20] <th> ;>
[13:21] <th> there must be a way to turn input buffering off
[13:21] <th> and i can't understand why awk slurps all input too.
[13:22] <SMP> read() single bytes into a small state-machine
[13:22] <th> ok i'll try that
[13:22] <th> and i'll even do so in perl.
[13:22] <th> just to emphasis my thougts about it.
[13:23] <th> so it's better to use sysread() i assume
[13:23] <SMP> I'm SO > < far away from wiping all my sm trees right now ..
[13:23] <SMP> s,far away,close,
[13:24] <th> s,from,to
[13:24] <th> i never had a sm tree.
[13:24] <th> just the sound of it "sm tree" made me consider against it.
[13:26] <SMP> try this: cat foo | ( head -c 20 ; echo ; rot13 )
[13:26] <th> that works
[13:26] <SMP> exactly
[13:35] <blindcoder> what's wrong with SM? Never used it :)
[13:50] <owl> gnarf. where are my cds are gone to? :(
[13:53] <blindcoder> mhm, yummy CDs *crunch*
[13:54] <owl> hehe. :p guess this music could be more you're taste, yeah ;p
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[14:22] <blindcoder> hmm
[14:22] <blindcoder> vanilla pudding or vanilla waffles?
[14:24] <owl> hmm. pudding with strawberry jam
[14:26] <blindcoder> waeh
[14:27] <owl> *ggggg* why? ;)
[14:28] <blindcoder> okay, I'll make waffles
[14:34] <owl> hehe. gimme one ;) thx
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[15:06] <blindcoder> that's crazy
[15:06] <blindcoder> 15 PM and you need to turn on the lights
[15:07] <th> still not necessary here.
[15:55] <mnemoc> moin
[15:55] <mnemoc> th: hi, all the patches i send last night to submaster may go to 2.0 (except openvpn)
[15:57] <th> mnemoc: could you mail me a sm-id list?
[15:57] <mnemoc> ok
[15:57] <th> thanks
[15:57] <mnemoc> th@rl.org?
[15:57] <th> yo
[16:01] <daja77> damn libpng
[16:01] <th> exactly
[16:01] <th> has a configure placebo...
[16:02] <daja77> hm?
[16:02] <daja77> they moved their headers so that x.org and qt are breaking
[16:16] <th> daja77: oh well i had some problems building it at all after bump to new vresion
[16:16] <th> mnemoc: santa claus got your wishlist
[16:16] <mnemoc> great :)
[16:17] <th> mnemoc: first thing: s/^smap //
[16:17] <th> *shiver* ;>
[16:17] <mnemoc> th: i copy&paste what sm offered :\
[16:18] <th> not a real problem
[16:18] <mnemoc> next time i'll send you only th eids
[16:18] <mnemoc> IDs*
[16:18] <th> i'm just putting them on the commandline to my "smview" alias.
[16:19] <mnemoc> :)
[16:19] <th> which is merely ' ( cd /usr/src/rock-src;  ./scripts/Download -sm $* ) | vim - '
[16:19] <th> aehm
[16:20] <th>     * mono updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
[16:20] <th> [V] 1.0.4
[16:20] <SMP> yes, they're out of sync
[16:20] <mnemoc> trunk has 1.0.2
[16:20] <th> mnemoc: it's cause SMP missed to update it in trunk
[16:20] <mnemoc> yes
[16:20] <SMP> 'missed'?
[16:21] <th> mnemoc: IIRC he promised me to do so. but well - he's just human.
[16:21] <SMP> 1.0.5 has been out for like 4 days
[16:21] <mnemoc> :)
[16:21] <SMP> ah.
[16:21] <th> oh SMP you are listening.
[16:21] <SMP> no, well, trunk should move to 1.1
[16:21] <th> *OUPS*
[16:21] <th> ;->
[16:21] <mnemoc> SMP: yes, but only mono
[16:22] <mnemoc> gtk-sharp-1.9 has a different set of .pc files
[16:22] <SMP> yes, gtk-sharp2 needs to be added
[16:22] <mnemoc> pkgfork?
[16:22] <th> mnemoc: did you test the other patches on stable?
[16:23] <mnemoc> patches are very simple
[16:23] <mnemoc> no risk at all
[16:23] <SMP> mnemoc: I'd say seperate packages, keeps it simpler
[16:23] <mnemoc> SMP: ok
[16:24] <th> mnemoc: no problem with '* fix mnemoc's [I]s' that's simple enouigh ;)
[16:24] <th> ipsvd looks ok too
[16:24] <mnemoc> cvm and bglibs are not @ stable
[16:24] <mnemoc> ignore those
[16:24] <th> mnemoc: i already put runit to 1.0.0
[16:26] <mnemoc> 1.1.0
[16:27] <th> ok i'll do the mono stuff manually now
[16:27] <mnemoc> gtk-sharp to 1.0.4
[16:27] <th> -[T] this package contains mono runtime, class libraries and c# compiler.
[16:27] <th> +[T] This package contains mono runtime, class libraries and c# compiler.
[16:27] <th> [I] Unix version of the Microsoft .NET development platform
[16:27] <mnemoc> the rest to 1.0.5
[16:28] <th> *manual conflict*
[16:28] <th> please resolve.
[16:28] <mnemoc> [T] vs. [I]
[16:28] <th> ahh
[16:28] <th> *manual fault*
[16:28] <mnemoc> :)
[16:28] <th> hunk succeeded
[16:28] <mnemoc> :)
[16:29] <mnemoc> you can download files from my server 
[16:31] <th> -[D] 3818998777 monodoc-1.0.2.tar.gz http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.0.2/
[16:31] <th> +[D] 455208838 monodoc-1.0.5.tar.gz http://www.go-mono.com/archive/1.0.5/Alejandro Mery:
[16:31] <th> bummer
[16:31] <th> newline missing
[16:32] <th> what smid was the mono one?
[16:32] <mnemoc> o_O
[16:32] <th> might be a bug in Download -sm
[16:32] <mnemoc> 2004121204431332000
[16:33] <th> hmm not sure
[16:33] <th> perhaps some component eat the newline
[16:33] <th> i wont cate
[16:33] <th> s,cate,care,
[16:33] <th> will ktcpvs apply?
[16:33] <th> some make_install.patch
[16:33] <th> hmm
[16:35] <th> manually applying pathes that patch pathes is confusing.
[16:37] <mnemoc> why?
[16:37] <th> dunno
[16:37] <th> to much + and -
[16:37] <mnemoc> :)
[16:38] <mnemoc> just applying it didn't worked?
[16:38] <th> not the whole changeset
[16:38] <mnemoc> :'
[16:38] <th> but i wont deal with 'fix mnemoc's [I]s' manually
[16:39] <mnemoc> that mainly removing dots and seting first letter capital
[16:39] <th> patching file package/mnemoc/chkrootkit/chkrootkit.desc
[16:39] <th> can't find file to patch at input line 17
[16:40] <th> |--- package/mnemoc/tnef/tnef.desc  (revision 8060)
[16:40] <th> |+++ package/mnemoc/tnef/tnef.desc  (local)
[16:40] <th> just another not in stable i assume
[16:40] <mnemoc> tnef is on trunk only i guess
[16:40] <th> patching file package/mnemoc/lzo/lzo.desc
[16:40] <th> patching file package/mnemoc/dante/dante.desc
[16:41] <th> same for ipsvd
[16:41] <mnemoc> ipsvd _is_ on stable
[16:41] <th> zsh: no matches found: package/*/ipsvd
[16:42] <mnemoc> o_O
[16:42] <mnemoc> it shall be
[16:42] <mnemoc> ok ok ignore it
[16:42] <th> shall i merge the addition?
[16:43] <mnemoc> i you want :)
[16:43] <mnemoc> if*
[16:45] <th> mnemoc: aehm.
[16:45] <th> Fix compare.sh to work better over missing packages
[16:45] <th> might be that you broke compare.sh?
[16:46] <th> $ sh misc/archive/compare.sh . ~/dev/ROCK-dev ipsvd
[16:46] <th> from: .
[16:46] <th> to..: /home/th/dev/ROCK-dev
[16:46] <th> nothin'
[16:46] <th> no
[16:46] <th> thats not caused by your change
[16:47] <th> ipsvd has a patches subdir?
[16:47] <mnemoc> yes
[16:48] <mnemoc> don't add it
[16:48] <th> why?
[16:48] <th> what?
[16:48] <mnemoc> let's wait for 2.0.5 on that :)
[16:48] <mnemoc> high complexity :)
[16:48] <th> i was just about merging it
[16:48] <th> but well
[16:48] <th> ...abandoned...
[16:51] <th> somewhen i should try to merge [P] lines from trunk...
[16:52] <th> socklog is still at 1.3.1 in stable
[16:53] <mnemoc> update it freely
[16:54] <th> ok i applied the changeset
[16:54] <th> would you review the whole changeset?
[16:54] <mnemoc> ok
[16:55] <th> http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/mnemoc.diff
[17:00] <mnemoc> my build machine is very busy :\
[17:00] <mnemoc> give me some seconds
[17:01] <th> no problem
[17:02] <th> still downloading
[17:03] <mnemoc> it looks ok
[17:03] <th> ok
[17:04] <mnemoc> btw, clip patch doesn't download with curl
[17:04] <mnemoc> grab it from my site
[17:04] <th> how so?
[17:04] <th> what's the problem with curl or clip?
[17:04] <th> daja77: is 1.2.7 -> 1.2.8 a security update (talking of libpng)
[17:08] <daja77> no idea i haven't made that update 
[17:08] <mnemoc> th: their ftp doesn't support pasv
[17:08] <mnemoc> i have to go
[17:09] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[17:11] <th> mnemoc: ok thanks
[17:17] <th> INFO: download from mirror failed, trying original URL.
[17:17] <th> ######################################################################## 100.0%
[17:17] <th> Finished downloading 804734 bytes in 11.646 seconds (69099.605 bytes/sec). 
[17:17] <th> bzip'ing + cksum-test: download/mnemoc/clip/clip-patch-1.1.12-113.tgz
[17:17] <th> mnemoc: no problem with curl here.
[17:20] <th> i really dislike Emerge-Pkg behaviour when it comes to Download failures
[17:20] <th> it must not try to build if the package is not downloaded correctly
[17:24] <daja77> indeed
[17:26] <th> hmmmmmm. why the hell are all copyright messages gone from cache files in stable?
[17:26] <th> must be some buggy copy-script
[17:26] <th> hmmm not all
[17:26] <th> some only
[17:26] <th> strange
[17:28] <daja77> gtk breaking too due libpng, will fix later
[17:44] <th> -> Running ROCK Linux 2.0.4 configuration ...
[17:45] <th> blindcoder: did you review the CORE flags for crystal-emu already?
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[18:16] <fake> ahou
[18:16] <daja77> hi fake
[18:18] <fake> hi daja77 
[18:18] <th> hi fake
[18:19] <fake> hi th
[18:20] <daja77> guess my patches are crap
[18:20] <fake> iso.rocklinux.de is *still* down?
[18:20] <th> yea :-(
[18:20] <fake> arghl.
[18:21] Action: daja77 needs a shotgun
[18:21] <th> From: Alexander Saers <alex@saers.com>
[18:21] <th> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:42:26 +0000
[18:21] <th> Sure. When the server is up again (probably tomorrow) you can surf in and
[18:21] <th> watch them
[18:21] <th> (i was asking for some logs there)
[18:23] <fake> daja77: what's up?
[18:24] <daja77> this libpng thing gets on my nerves
[18:28] <daja77> !>  /ROCK/build/cltdemo-2.1.0-DEV-x86-pentium-mmx-32-livecd ..
[18:28] <daja77> !> install: cannot create regular file `/usr/include/png.h' ..
[18:32] <fake> o_O
[18:33] <fake> daja77: just remove libpng.conf and re-build failures...
[18:34] <th> removing libpng.conf did not help in stable
[18:34] <daja77> i removed the conf
[18:34] <daja77> but it doesn't rebuild, due the error i posted
[18:35] <fake> did you update libpng to 1.2.8 or so?
[18:35] <fake> did you run ./scripts/Create-ErrList -REMOVE libpng 
[18:35] <fake> did you run ./scripts/Create-ErrList -REMOVE libpng:dev
[18:35] <fake> did you run ./scripts/Create-ErrList -REMOVE libpng:doc
[18:35] <fake>  ?
[18:36] <daja77> trying again
[18:36] <daja77> yeah that damn update
[18:38] <fake> and if your build continued past xorg it's screwed totally
[18:38] <fake> blame netrunner
[18:38] <daja77> should i discard my xorg and qt patches?
[18:39] Action: fake didn't have a look yet
[18:39] <daja77> same thing again libpng doesn't rebuild 
[18:39] <fake> i just got up and i have no browser...
[18:39] <fake> daja77: but it works for me (tm)
[18:40] <daja77> i just changed the includes from png.h to libpng/png.h
[18:40] <fake> that shouldn't be needed... we'd have to patch *many* programs...
[18:40] <daja77> yeah
[18:40] <daja77> i'll stop that
[18:40] <daja77> gtk would be next
[18:41] <daja77> but it sucks that there is no vi for fixfile in chroot anymore
[18:41] <daja77> btw*
[18:42] <fake> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -1 -root auto nvi
[18:42] <fake> -cfg ...
[18:43] <daja77> ah nice
[18:43] <daja77> ok will work on that broken stuff later
[18:43] <daja77> have to go now
[18:43] <fake> daja77: good luck ;)
[18:47] <daja77> staring new build from scratch ...
[18:48] <fake> good idea. i'll beat netrunner next time i meet him... ;)
[18:48] <daja77> :D
[18:54] <th> what does -root auto do?
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[19:03] <fake> it makes the build not to go into your running system ;)
[19:11] <ojh> Well, I almost have GTK 2.4.14 built in a 0instll location. The only problem seems to be trying to simlink my local X libs to build against is not working. So now I'm trying to build X.org inside of 0install :)    All I need now is a real server and my domain name and everyone else should be able to 0install any program I build in it.
[19:12] <ojh> Ummmmm . . . . . anyone know how long it takes to build X.org, it looks very large
[19:24] <fake> about as long as XFree86 ;)
[19:29] <ojh> Quick question: how do I change the install prefix of something that only has a Make file and no configure script.
[19:29] <fake> that depends on the Makefile
[19:29] <fake> in most cases
[19:29] <fake> var_append makeinstopt ' ' "PREFIX=$root/my/prefix"
[19:30] <fake> but check the makefile, it may not even use PREFIX
[19:30] <ojh> fake: THX :)
[19:38] <th> argh!
[19:39] <th> python-setup.patch is broken!
[19:40] <ojh> fake: Its the rather freeky X build process :/
[19:40] <th> -#crypt cryptmodule.c # -lcrypt # crypt(3); needs -lcrypt on some systems
[19:40] <th> +crypt cryptmodule.c -lcrypt    # crypt(3); needs -lcrypt on some systems
[19:40] <th> that's how it should look like!
[19:42] <th> fake: do you have a recent trunk installation running?
[19:43] <fake> th: huh??
[19:43] <fake> th: i updated python-setup.patch
[19:43] <th> what do you mean by you updated it?
[19:43] <fake> th: 2.4 ...
[19:43] <th> that has nothing to do with the update to 2.4
[19:44] <th> so do you have a trunk installation running?
[19:44] <fake> sure
[19:44] <th> python installed?
[19:44] <th> run the python interpreter
[19:44] <th> and type: "import crypt"
[19:44] <fake> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.4/lib-dynload/cryptmodule.so: undefined symbol: crypt
[19:44] <fake> oops.
[19:44] <th> exactly!
[19:44] <th> -lcrypt is missing!
[19:45] <th> and read the comment above the -lcrypt line!
[19:45] <th>  # The crypt module is now disabled by default because it breaks builds
[19:45] <th>  # on many systems (where -lcrypt is needed), e.g. Linux (I believe).
[19:45] <th> yea - they are right! it's needed on linux
[19:45] <fake> wait a sec
[19:47] <fake> th: see last patch in sm
[19:47] <fake> ;)
[19:49] <th> thanks
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[19:54] <Faustus> hi are any mac-ppc guys in?
[19:54] <fake> here
[19:55] <Faustus> hi, I'm tryuing to get x up on the live CD on an imac with a rage 128 card.  
[19:55] <fake> yep.
[19:55] <fake> it doesn't work out-of-the-box?
[19:55] <Faustus> I get screens found but conifguration not working.  Iset the driver to r128
[19:56] <fake> did you try with driver=fbdev?
[19:56] <fake> or do you want accelerated X?
[19:56] <Faustus> no, it doesn't.  I've also set the horiizonatal and vertical correctly
[19:56] <fake> Faustus: did you remove the '#'s before: Option "UseFBDev" ?
[19:57] <fake> that's needed
[19:57] <Faustus> yes I ucommented the "Load DRI" and "glx"
[19:57] <fake> dri will freeze the box - that's a shortcoming of the drm linux modules
[19:57] <fake> just to warn you ;)
[19:58] <Faustus> yes on the UseFBDEv , even tryping "true" after the UseFBDev
[19:58] <fake> i tried the livecd on an ibook and i have a g3 with r128 and it works on both out-of-the-box
[19:59] <Faustus> out of the box, I've gotton a black screen on another occasion.  I had to type su and reboot blind
[19:59] <th> Faustus: what display size?
[20:00] <th> fake: what's the fbdev default resolution?
[20:00] <Faustus> display size 345 260
[20:00] <fake> th: it's set boot-time automagically from the openbootprom value
[20:00] <ojh> fake: Fond it! The 'make Install' for X.org accepts a cmd line paramiter DESTDIR for custom install locations. That took some digging to find . . . .
[20:00] <fake> Faustus: then your horiz/vert referesh rates are utterly wrong!!
[20:02] <Faustus> sorry that display size is commented.  What I have under horix/ and Vert is :  HorixSync 60-60 and VertRefresh 75-117 followed by a Option "DPMS" (I've also tried it w/o this last item)
[20:03] <fake> try it without anything
[20:03] <fake> i.e. remove those 2 lines
[20:03] <fake> with "UseFBDev" "true" the framebuffer resolution and refresh rates are checked
[20:03] <fake> that works reliably (at least for me...)
[20:03] <Faustus> without a Horizontal and Vertical?
[20:03] <fake> yeas.
[20:04] <fake> an empty monitor section besides the Name of the monitor device
[20:06] <Faustus> k I've commented the Horiz, vertical and Option DPMS
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[20:06] <fake> you'll get 640x480 if it works
[20:07] <fake> you can then add Modes you want in the DisplayModes section (or how it's called)
[20:07] <th> subsection display of screen section
[20:08] <fake> yep, exactly
[20:08] <Faustus> fatal IO error 104 (connection set by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining."  father up I get, "(EE) Screens fiound, but none have a usable configuration.  Fatal server error: no screens found"
[20:10] <Faustus> does this mean the desktop wouldn't work w.o some elbow grease on my imac?
[20:12] <Faustus> well I'm rebooting off to have breakfast
[20:27] <fake> Faustus: keep on trying... you're not far away...
[20:37] <ojh> fake: The reference build of Xfree took nearly 4 DAYS!?!?!!? Please till me I miscalculated that :P
[20:41] <owl> hi
[20:42] <owl> Faustus: are you from berlin by accident?
[20:42] <fake> ojh: of course nor
[20:42] <fake> ojh: of course not
[20:42] <blindcoder> owl: want him to haunt me? :)
[20:43] <ojh> Oh, good. Its just too early on a Sunday for me to calculate right :P
[20:43] <owl> blindcoder: nope. want to know if he is the "faustus" who is a good friend of me
[20:44] <blindcoder> I see :)
[20:44] <blindcoder> *phew*
[20:44] <owl> hm?
[20:44] <blindcoder> well, I haven't cleaned up enough for visitors :D
[20:44] <owl> *ggg* 
[20:44] <owl> well, which visitors?
[20:45] <blindcoder> esden will be here on friday
[20:45] <ojh> I gotta go, latter!
[20:45] <blindcoder> by ojh 
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[20:45] <owl> hehe. kick him with greetings from me *vbeg*
[20:47] <blindcoder> waeh, he'll kick back
[20:47] <fake> th: here?
[20:47] <owl> blindcoder: *g* you dislike that? ;)
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[20:47] <blindcoder> owl: I prefer the whip
[20:48] <owl> blindcoder: *gg* well. ok. - want an "longierpeitsche"? *vbeg*
[20:48] <blindcoder> hoe?
[20:49] <owl> guess you could make him stay away from you - cuz the whip is about 3 metres long
[20:49] <blindcoder> wee, that goes nicely with the plush handcuffs :D
[20:50] <owl> yeah, perfectly ;) 
[20:50] <owl> longierpeitsche = extremely long whip
[20:50] <owl> (normally used to show the horse where it should run - in which distance, which tempi etc)
[20:51] <blindcoder> I see
[20:51] <owl> ;) 
[21:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: you are in berlin?
[21:03] <blindcoder> netrunner: ehm... yes...
[21:03] <blindcoder> for almost half a year now...
[21:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: could you do me a favour and pick up a notebook I bought on ebay? :)
[21:04] <daja77> hi netrunner 
[21:04] <netrunner> hi daja77 et all :)
[21:04] <blindcoder> netrunner: where?
[21:04] <netrunner> berlin ...
[21:05] <blindcoder> ehm... you know... berlin is... big... as in... _really_ _big_
[21:06] <netrunner> oh hm. ... it was cottbus.
[21:07] <netrunner> the sand-steelplates are in berlin, but I'll pick those up myself.
[21:07] <daja77> you could pass it by on the way to c3
[21:09] <netrunner> isn't cottus more in the east?
[21:09] <blindcoder> and spandau is most west :)
[21:10] <daja77> netrunner: yes you could still take that way to berlin
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[21:16] <fake> netrunner: for what do you use those erricsson cpan modules?
[21:19] <netrunner> fake: use my t68i as remote input device
[21:21] <fake> ah, with btrc ?
[21:23] <netrunner> btrc?  the bluetooth stuff ... hcid and rfcomm to connect to the serial port.
[21:27] <fake> what program uses the perl modules?
[21:27] <fake> or did you write one yourself?
[21:27] Action: daja77 hopes that theme support works in this build
[21:29] <netrunner> fake: I coded some ugly scripts myself, interested? ;)
[21:31] <fake> netrunner: sure, but i have a z600, guess that souldn't matter
[21:32] <netrunner> fake: http://andreas.anvame.net/static/Bluetooth.html
[21:33] <netrunner> the btsco thing even also works now btw :)
[21:34] Action: daja77 got a t630
[21:34] Action: netrunner wants a nokia 950
[21:34] <netrunner> 0
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[21:41] <fake> netrunner: that's funny
[21:41] <netrunner> fake: works?
[21:42] <fake> netrunner: i'll test later
[21:42] <fake> i have no rock tree local
[21:43] <netrunner> fake: you need the xautomation I committed.
[21:43] <fake> netrunner: guessed so ;)
[21:43] <fake> netrunner: what is this xfce4 package about?
[21:43] <netrunner> fake: update to xfce 4.2, they now have all tarballs in one big tarball, so there was some logic neccessary to keep the build order
[21:47] <netrunner> fake: ok, it's 4.2-rc1, I wanted somebody else to have a look at it.
[21:48] <netrunner> i use it now. mainly for he cool matrix screensaver they have.
[21:48] <fake> netrunner: so seperate packages aren't feasible anymore?
[21:48] <fake> hehe
[21:48] <netrunner> fake: would probably be using package splitting.
[21:52] <fake> netrunner: can you select which part to build with configure or so?
[21:53] <netrunner> fake: each part is a tarball within the big tarball. the .conf I created simply unpacks them and builds them in the correct order.
[21:53] <netrunner> how do I get netbios routed through multiple subnets?
[21:53] Action: daja77 kicking netrunner for fun
[21:54] <fake> netrunner: WINS server
[21:54] <fake> netrunner: how about package forking?
[21:54] <netrunner> fake: there is one, I can see them but don't get access.
[21:54] <fake> hm
[21:54] Action: fake no idea 
[22:00] Action: netrunner throwing a windows cd after daja
[22:00] <daja77> you are evil
[22:01] Action: fake sets topic to: ROCK Linux - throwing with windows CDs is prohibited.
[22:01] <daja77> strictly ;)
[22:01] Action: netrunner sets topic back to oldschool
[22:03] Action: netrunner sets topic on fire
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[22:13] <netrunner> ah, thunderbird 1
[22:24] <netrunner> I moved all mails from .lists.rock-linux.submaser 10 minutes ago. now there are again 298 mails ...
[22:24] <daja77> yep
[22:25] <netrunner> oh, 16kmails in my .cron ...
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[22:27] <fake> some pro-votes from me...
[22:34] <mnemoc> th: same checksum on clip's patch?
[22:35] <Faustus> hey fake.  Earlier u mentioened theat enabling DRI would freeze my imac.  Is this the same problem seemingly everyone is having with newer implementations of OpenGL and ATI/old G3 iMacs?
[22:37] <th> mnemoc: wait
[22:39] <th> 1649489671
[22:39] <th> mnemoc: so "yes"
[22:40] <mnemoc> :D
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[22:46] <fake> Faustus: i have no clue about dri
[22:46] <fake> Faustus: i don't use and don't need it
[22:47] <treo> gn8
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[22:51] <netrunner> someone can borrow me a 12" ibook?
[22:52] <th> netrunner: what for?
[22:53] <netrunner> test. I can not decide if I should by one for my female part.
[22:53] Action: daja77 could borrow netrunner a broken 12" celeron laptop
[22:53] <th> netrunner: perhaps i bring one to c3
[22:54] <netrunner> th: which I/her could use for a day or so?  (surely I'd guarantee for its safety ;)
[22:54] <daja77> netrunner: are you part of the noc again?
[22:54] <netrunner> daja77: never been :)
[22:54] <Faustus> 'uncommenting the "Load DRI" and "glx"' seems to freeze my imac on most linux-ppc distros
[22:54] <th> netrunner: i'll take it with me again after the congress.
[22:54] <netrunner> th: no problem :)
[22:55] <daja77> netrunner: ah right angel that was
[22:55] <th> chaos-angel
[22:55] <Faustus> the eexception being mandrake, so I don't know what they've done, perhaps a remade driver.  I'll ask.
[22:55] Action: daja77 looking forward meeting th there
[22:55] <th> netrunner: not sure wether it's the only hardware i bring 
[22:55] <th> netrunner: if so - i can't spare it a day
[22:56] <th> daja77: yea
[22:56] <netrunner> daja77: yeah, but I didn't do that angel stuff last year, when you get higher in the hierarchy things tend to reveal dirty ...
[22:56] <daja77> hm c3, reminds of spamming the list again
[22:57] <netrunner> th: I could bring my fsc laptop with a crystal on it as replacement :)
[22:58] <th> netrunner: i guess that would be ok. what would you need to test it? i've still no linux on it.
[22:58] <netrunner> th: I think I would leave it on osx, as I heard that the airport stuff does not work under linux
[22:59] <th> netrunner: and as it's quite a unix it's quite usable.
[22:59] <th> netrunner: so you'd like to test with a local account?
[22:59] <netrunner> my point is that I want to have some powerpc at home, and I heard the ibooks are quite nice.
[23:00] <th> netrunner: i wanted to by an external HDD for it - so perhaps you could test your own installation
[23:01] <netrunner> th: you need to reinstall it for a external hd? or can it boot from extern?
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[23:01] <th> netrunner: you can boot from extern i think
[23:01] <netrunner> ah ok.
[23:02] <th> i still can't decide wether to go for 3.5" or 2.5"
[23:02] <Faustus> fake: no clue about DRI?  But u wrote, "<fake> dri will freeze the box - that's a shortcoming of the drm linux modules"
[23:02] <Faustus> I'm missing something
[23:04] <th> yea - "the clue"
[23:04] <fake> Faustus: i loaded the module - i enabled it in XF86Config - i started glxgears - freeze
[23:04] <fake> glxinfo told me it's using DRI before
[23:04] <fake> so i know the modules compiled correctly and are used
[23:05] <fake> that's where my motivation ended ;)
[23:05] <fake> maybe i could update the version of linux-dri sometime...
[23:05] <Faustus> sounds like the same problem I've had with every linux-ppc I've tried except mnk
[23:06] <Faustus> Man something got to be done about getting support for ATI video cards.  Thanks for quatifying it
[23:08] Action: fake is not very interested in ATI rage128 3d support
[23:09] <fake> after all, the card works and all
[23:09] <fake> (being a mips port maintainer sure makes you less expective about graphics card support...)
[23:09] <Faustus> what card is yours fake?
[23:10] <Faustus> or am I assuming too much by thinking you have a Rage 128?
[23:11] <fake> a rage128 in a G3 tower
[23:11] <fake> the radeon module worked on an G4 powerbook
[23:13] <Faustus> I'm trying to get to the bottom of this problem, with the distros I've tried on my G3 imac.  ydl, ubuntu-ppc, both have it so wrong.  only mandrake has it right but the issues with their key verification and mouse issues keep me back.  But this is a little OT 
[23:16] <th> iso.rocklinux.de is back online
[23:16] <fake> th: cool
[23:17] <fake> Faustus: does the livecd work without dri?
[23:19] <Faustus> not for me, and I've tried various configurations.  I have messed around quite a bit with ydl and debian, and ubuntu's XF86Config files but I seems to be at a loss
[23:20] <fake> Faustus: then forget about dri and glx
[23:20] <fake> Faustus: for now, at least
[23:20] <fake> can you give me shell access to the machine?
[23:20] <fake> i'd love to debug this
[23:26] <fake> Faustus: do you use the rev4392 or the new rev4860 livecd?
[23:33] <Faustus> fake: yes I appreciate this but I can't right now as the family came over for supper.  I'll come back after my midterm.  What I meant to imply about with my experience is not getting DRI to work but that I think I've had exp getting working XF86Config files in general
[23:52] <th> fake: 2004121204590332719 can you explain your remarks on this?
[23:52] <fake> th: sec
[23:53] <fake> th: i reject about 3 patches to update this because i have made bad experiences with openldap non-stable releases
[23:53] <fake> reject = voted against
[23:54] <th> why is this a non-stable release?
[23:54] <fake> th: see on the website:
[23:54] <fake> http://www.openldap.org/software/download/
[23:54] <th> ahhh
[23:54] <th> yes i remember
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