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[07:15] <netrunner> moin
[08:02] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: is the headset tested? does it bypass my soundcard? (i.e., my soundcard does not really work fine for voip)
[10:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: I consider taking 2 if you guarantee they are cool.
[10:11] <netrunner> yes, yast is gpl. now we can use it to configure rock :)
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[10:12] <netrunner> moin esdi
[10:13] <esden> moin
[10:18] <blindcoder> netrunner: ask th, he used it on the DevMeeting
[10:18] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[10:18] <esden> moin blindcoder 
[10:18] Action: esden cant open his eyes propperly >_<
[10:20] <blindcoder> haha
[10:20] <esden> :P
[10:35] <th> moin
[10:35] <th> 2192 builds total, 1121 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[10:36] <th> netrunner: it comes with it's own "soundcard" you plug it into usb. and usb-audio module will do it's job
[10:36] <th> "snd_usb_audio" that's the module name
[10:37] <netrunner> th: is it cpu-intensive? sorry for being distrustful ;)
[10:37] <th> uhh never had a loop for the cpu.
[10:37] <th> s,loop,look,
[10:37] <th> but the cpu isn't doing the dsp stuff
[10:37] <th> only sending the audio data to usb
[10:37] <netrunner> th: well - did you experience any lags or glitches?
[10:37] <th> no
[10:37] <netrunner> fine. I'd take 2
[10:38] <netrunner> is the cable long?
[10:38] <th> netrunner: i can give you an exact answer on that
[10:38] <netrunner> th: just opening .lists.rock-linux.devel to find the link ...
[10:40] <th> netrunner: 3.18m including USB plug
[10:40] <netrunner> hm. norskit.de offers it for 50.34 ?
[10:40] <th> real?
[10:40] <th> second
[10:41] <netrunner> http://www.geizkragen.de/preisvergleich/pc-und-co/headsets/plantronics/plantronics-dsp100-stereo/137634.html
[10:41] <th> wow
[10:42] <netrunner> there's someone offering it for 48,95 http://www.idealo.de/preisvergleich/OffersOfProduct/32155.html
[10:42] <netrunner> (NorskIT)
[10:43] <th> well. i can't offer it for 48.95 nor for 50.34 :-/
[10:43] <netrunner> th: did you buy a lot or what? I thought it would be a collected order or something...
[10:44] <th> but i offered a works-fine-with-linux guarant. and free delivery
[10:44] <th> netrunner: with your two we are at a acount of 3
[10:44] <th> s,ac,c,
[10:45] <th> netrunner: but i still hope fake decides for one. he sounded terrible on devmeeeting
[10:48] <netrunner> http://home.arcor.de/c.nerger/dsp100_hardw.html <- tuning tips for that device ;)
[10:51] <owl> moin
[10:51] <owl> guys, a short question: what is wrong here: 
[10:53] <owl> - applications are crashing very often, ram-test is counting slowly (ok, it's displaying the first two numbers of my ram-count first), memtest doesn't display errors, but doesn't react to keyboard-input or so... (and just the clock counts...)
[11:04] <th> 1where is that HDD hiding on gericom notebooks?
[11:04] <th> gericom medion all the same
[11:05] <th> owl: i guess you have experience with poorly designed notebooks?
[11:06] <owl> th: yeah. why?
[11:06] <th> i cna't find the hdd...
[11:07] <owl> well, normally there's a "schacht" where the HDD is hidden... (looks like the cd-rom-einschub etc...) - at least it was on a old gericom... 
[11:10] <_Ragnar__> th usually you have a bay on the bottom, secured by a screw
[11:10] <th> there is no external accessable bay for that
[11:10] <th> i've two screwed bays.
[11:10] <th> one for a mini-PCI card
[11:10] <th> one for the ram
[11:10] <owl> O_o
[11:11] <owl> hmmm. maybe opening the whole cover?
[11:11] <th> i've already removed some parts.. can't image where that damn hdd hides
[11:11] <owl> hmm. isn't there a manual for that?
[11:11] <th> yea going for it
[11:12] <_Ragnar__> weird
[11:13] <owl> hmm. btw, gericom-notebooks: are they as bad as they were earlier? 
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[11:13] <netrunner> th: run diskperf and look for the warm part of your notebook :)
[11:14] <th> bastards. it's below the touchpad...
[11:14] <_Ragnar_> *rofl*
[11:14] <th> 5 screws to go
[11:15] <th> open
[11:15] <owl> th: congrats ;)
[11:15] <esden> ping fake 
[11:16] <owl> netrunner: bwahahaha. good joke. at least at asus-notebook you would have no chance with this strategy... every part is _hot_!
[11:17] <th> ahh thats it..
[11:18] <netrunner> owl: I wouldn't buy such a notebook.
[11:20] <owl> netrunner: asus or gericom? 
[11:20] <th> both
[11:20] <th> it's extrem cheap crap
[11:20] <owl> asus too? O_o
[11:20] <th> sure
[11:20] <owl> which ones would you buy?
[11:20] <owl> ok O_o why? and: since when?
[11:20] <th> thinkpads
[11:21] <th> or at least dell latitudes
[11:21] <th> don't know about the HP ones
[11:21] <th> neither the ones from siemens
[11:21] <owl> eeeeks. wrong answer ;) too expensive. 
[11:21] <owl> hmm. what about samsung?
[11:22] <th> you should think about the TCO not the price you buy the piece for.
[11:22] <th> (do i sound like an IBM salesman?)
[11:23] <owl> th: well. problem: if i have not much money i have either the choice to buy no notebook (but i need one for work), or to buy a cheaper one
[11:23] <th> owl: what's all your frustration worth you had with your current one? add it to it's price
[11:24] <owl> th: well. but i can't this frustration worth not add at price at ebay. if i could, i must sell my NB for about 50.000 EUR
[11:25] <th> so 50kEUR.
[11:26] <esden> or an apple powerbook/ibook *runs_hides*
[11:26] <th> i guess there would have been a lot to save with a thinkpad
[11:26] <owl> yeah. but i don't have 2000 EUR or so... 
[11:26] <owl> well... not with my "luck" *guess* 
[11:26] Action: netrunner is a fan of the thinkpads. 
[11:26] <esden> for a thinkpad or hp you have to pay the same
[11:27] <th> owl: but do you have a working notebook now?
[11:27] <owl> th: now: yes... still. why?
[11:28] <th> lets continue talking in a months
[11:28] <th> after some more outages of your asus crap
[11:28] <th> btw. you could get an ibook 12" for about 1000EUR
[11:29] <owl> i don't want an ibook 12"... i'm forced to work with visual studio.net -> which needs much space on display
[11:29] <esden> sadly she has to run windows ... because of her work ... (I have the same problem ... but I also have one of the biggest powerbooks that manages it to run virtual pc at acceptable speed and sesponsiveness)
[11:30] <esden> but beside the fact apple would be a long year companion for owl
[11:30] <owl> esden: i'm also running a virtual pc... 
[11:30] <esden> and it would fit her ... don't you think guys? ;)
[11:31] <owl> nah. don't want an ibook. 
[11:31] <esden> why?
[11:32] <owl> cuz i want to run a good distro ... which fits to my needs ... jut possible with slack, currently. and: i can't force my company to buy SW for an apple, too. so i would have to buy it by my own. well. then i would have no money for at least one year
[11:33] <esden> software for apple? what software?
[11:34] <esden> the only thing you would have to buy would be virtual pc ...
[11:34] <owl> esden: e.g. the virtual pc. 
[11:35] <esden> what else?
[11:35] <owl> yes. do you really think that i have the money for it? i get about 400 EUR/month... and much of this i must spend for "benzin"
[11:35] <esden> it is called fuel ...
[11:35] <owl> dunno? 
[11:35] <owl> whatever
[11:39] <th> ahh the disk is spinning up
[11:41] Action: netrunner sends owl a shortcut to dict.leo.org
[11:43] <esden> netrunner: forget it ... she always finds an excuse not to use it 
[11:46] <fake> moin
[11:46] <th> moin fake
[11:48] <owl> esden: and? where is your problem with it? we could exchange the fscking connections!
[11:48] <owl> hi fake 
[11:59] Action: fake needs a second line for uploading...
[11:59] <fake> th: don't you think we can throw out the old iso's on iso.rocklinux.de ?
[11:59] <fake> like rev1*
[12:00] <th> fake: propably
[12:00] <th> blindcoder: apropos upload. your file is ready. where should i put it?
[12:02] <fake> th: can we decide on that now? i'd like to see Ref1888/Ref1998 die
[12:02] <fake> it's confusing
[12:03] <fake> also the whole 'discontinued' thing except for maybe the 2.0.1 desktop
[12:05] <fake> th: i could also write to the list...
[12:06] <th> no - no problem
[12:07] <fake> okay
[12:07] <th> so shall i delete all 2.0.0* stuff?
[12:08] <fake> do we want anyone to download and use it?
[12:08] <th> no
[12:09] <fake> so... ;)
[12:09] <th> what about /unofficial/stable/2.0.1 ?
[12:10] <th> what about drock 1.4.1?
[12:11] <th> at least we could remove /official/discontinued/unstable
[12:11] <th> ack on this?
[12:12] <fake> sure
[12:12] <fake> that's most confusing
[12:13] <fake> also /skeleton could die
[12:13] <th> aehm.
[12:13] <th> fake: that's what we fiddled out as you where visiting me.
[12:13] <fake> yes ;)
[12:13] <fake> it was just for testing, richt?
[12:13] <th> no
[12:14] <th> it was the "how-should-it-look-like"
[12:14] <th> i was planning to hack on stuff like it on c3
[12:14] <fake> can you move it to .skeleton until then?
[12:14] <fake> i guess it's very confusing
[12:15] <th> sure - i can move it to ~th too
[12:15] <th> what about unofficial/stable/2.0.1?
[12:17] <fake> it's just for Athlon XP and its outdated...
[12:17] <th> it's gone
[12:18] <th> go on!
[12:19] <fake> discontinued stable - kill it
[12:20] <fake> the whole subtree after 'official' called stable can be moved aaway
[12:20] <fake> every official release is to be regarded as stable
[12:21] <fake> don;t you think?
[12:21] <th> not quite.
[12:21] <th> i like official pre-releases
[12:21] <th> 12:19:53 < fake> the whole subtree after 'official' called stable can be moved aaway
[12:21] <th> you are saying i shall remove my latest releases?
[12:22] <fake> nooo
[12:22] <fake> i knew you would get it that way ;)
[12:22] <th> so put it another way ;>
[12:22] <th> perhaps talking in pathes and filenames ;)
[12:23] <fake> the 'official/stable' is that as in 'official/devel' is missing or is it 'contrary to what you believe, we also do official _stable_ releases' ? 
[12:24] <th> official/devel is missing
[12:24] <th> perhaps we shoudl rename it to official/2.0-stable
[12:24] <fake> yes
[12:24] <fake> that's perfect
[12:24] <th> done
[12:25] <fake> you could move discontinued/2.0.1 to 2.0-stable... ? 
[12:25] <fake> or delete it
[12:25] <fake> well
[12:25] <netrunner> doesn't anybody want to have a look at the xfce4 thing?
[12:25] <fake> it's the last desktop one, right?
[12:25] <th> ack
[12:25] <fake> netrunner: not yet - be patient
[12:26] <netrunner> fake: it looks like clifford just included it into his next refbuild, that's why I am asking.
[12:27] <fake> netrunner: of course it is included
[12:27] <fake> th: can you create a 2.1-dev directory in official and group-permission it?
[12:27] <th> sure
[12:27] <th> dev oder devel?
[12:28] <fake> dev, devel sound like the horned beast
[12:28] <fake> (that's cool, though)
[12:29] <th> moved discontinued/stable/ to 2.0-stable/discontinued/
[12:34] <fake> perfect
[12:34] <fake> th: what do you think about official/2.1-dev/ ?
[12:35] <th> it already exists
[12:35] <fake> i know
[12:35] <fake> i mean the content
[12:35] <fake> http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/2.1-dev/
[12:36] <th> its empty
[12:37] <fake> no it's not ;P
[12:37] <fake> i wrote a cool note
[12:37] <fake> even including a *hyperlink*
[12:37] <th> oh
[12:38] <fake> wait...
[12:38] <th> ah ic
[12:39] <fake> easier to read now ;)
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[12:43] <th> fake: yea - thats fine.
[12:43] <fake> good.
[12:46] <th> got a good rating for that text ;)
[12:47] <fake> *g*
[12:48] <fake> thanks ;)
[12:49] <th> you think that was me?
[12:50] <th> hmm
[12:52] <fake> well, it wasn't me... so..
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[12:53] <th> hmm how could have done this
[12:53] <th> it's only out for minutes.
[12:53] <th> must have been someone in here...
[12:53] <th> hmmm
[12:53] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:53] <th> blindcoder. he just left.
[12:53] <fake> no, i guess it was ... you.
[12:53] <th> hmmmmmm
[12:53] <th> how so?
[12:54] <th> evil suspicion
[12:54] <fake> exactly. it's all part of your crazy plan to take over world domination from... me.
[12:54] <th> hmmmmm
[12:54] <th> where did you know that from?
[12:55] <th> you are scaring me
[12:57] <th> fake: what about you and a new shiny headset?
[12:57] <fake> th: i had a look yesertday
[12:57] <fake> th: what would i need that for? i have an unused DSP on my motherboard, why would i need one externaly on USB? 
[12:58] <th> perhaps it's not always unused
[12:58] <th> perhaps you want to use this on another machine too sometimes
[12:58] <fake> i can't listen to music and phone at the same time...
[12:59] <th> i just remembered the poor quality of your headset on last dev-talk
[12:59] <fake> it was my secondary headset, clifford had my good one ;P
[12:59] Action: netrunner -> happa, happa.
[12:59] <th> ohh so i should talk to cliff ;>
[13:00] <fake> th: yes, you should. but maybe a simple 'analogue' solution is sufficient ;)
[13:03] <th> i've no experience with a good one. i can give no advice or promise.
[13:05] <fake> 55 EUR for a headset is pretty much, you know...
[13:05] <th> yo sure
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[13:38] <esden> hi ho everyone
[13:41] <th> hi esden 
[13:42] <esden> hi th
[13:44] <fake> hi esden
[13:46] <esden> hi fake 
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[15:57] <treo> hi ^^
[15:58] <daja77> hi treo 
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[16:11] <esden> re blindcoder 
[16:19] <blindcoder> thx
[16:19] <blindcoder> looks like my router fubared
[16:37] <blindcoder> this python thing is strange
[16:38] <blindcoder> for ...
[16:38] <blindcoder> print diff[0].old
[16:38] <blindcoder> ...
[16:38] <blindcoder> (now outside for)
[16:38] <blindcoder> print diff[0].old
[16:38] <blindcoder> both yield different values
[16:39] <blindcoder> hoeh?
[16:39] <blindcoder> appending a new value to an array overwrites the old one o_O
[16:47] <th> blindcoder: give me the complete code and i'll have a look
[16:49] <blindcoder> th: just a moment
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[17:15] <demian_> hi
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[17:47] <blindcoder> WEEE
[17:47] <blindcoder> Viewing diffs in ROCKDoc now works :D
[17:48] <blindcoder> can be queried using the "History" page :)
[17:51] <blindcoder> hmm, creating diffs is easier than I thought
[18:00] <esden> aaaaaargh ... I hate people that you talk with and they answer only in unfinished sentences ... or only with single words all the time >_<
[18:00] <esden> *GNAAARF*
[18:05] <blindcoder> esden: who?
[18:20] <netrunner> esden: hm.
[18:20] Action: netrunner likes kbluetoothd
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[18:32] <madtux> hi.
[18:34] <blindcoder> moin maddy
[18:34] <madtux> hi blindy
[18:34] <netrunner> hy madtux
[18:35] <madtux> hallo netty
[18:35] <netrunner> :)
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[19:29] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^afk
[20:28] <daja77> madtux: ping
[20:29] <madtux> pong
[20:30] <madtux> .oO( wow its been a LONG time since the last time someone ping'ed me)
[20:30] <mnemoc> lier
[20:30] <daja77> mnemoc: he just ignored you ;)
[20:31] <mnemoc> i'm getting used to that :\
[20:31] <netrunner> ping -f `hostof mnemoc`
[20:31] <netrunner> ough
[20:31] <netrunner> ^C
[20:31] <netrunner> ping -f `hostof madtux`
[20:31] <netrunner> sorry mnemoc
[20:32] <madtux> i DON'T ignore people.
[20:32] <mnemoc> :)
[20:32] <madtux> not even mnemoc 
[20:32] <madtux> :)
[20:33] <owl> re
[20:33] <mnemoc> wb owlinette
[20:33] <owl> thx
[20:39] <esden> hehe ... I have some action shots of thc_rot ;) : http://www.esden.net/bilder/thc_rot/
[20:39] <esden> it is still not finished but it already displays something ;)
[20:41] <daja77> O_o why does the new build cdrtools package only contain 2 man pages ...
[20:42] <esden> because it is self explaining and does not need documentation ;)
[20:43] <daja77> erh wrong, it does only conatain these man pages
[20:49] <owl> grmpf. how many hours does "memtest" need to run in average with 512 mb ram und with all tests enabled?
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[20:51] <daja77> oh ic
[20:52] <daja77> this package does not fail on linker errors ...
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[21:42] <blindcoder> owl: quite some time
[21:43] <madtux> owl: a lot of time.. maybe more
[21:43] <esden> owl:  imagining your hardware it will take three eternities or even four ;)
[21:44] <madtux> esden: that is if the box doesn't panic before its over
[21:44] <esden> hehe .. yes ;)
[21:44] <esden> madtux: have you seen the new images?
[21:44] <esden> I posted before?
[21:44] <madtux> posted from when?
[21:45] <madtux> esden: of the alpha box or ur embedded project?
[21:45] <esden> 20:39
[21:45] <esden> erm ... it is not your time
[21:45] <madtux> i think i have not
[21:45] <blindcoder> esden: you _do_ know that that is exactly what I talked with somebody some weeks ago that I wanted to build?
[21:45] <owl> blindcoder, madtux, esden: thx for you optimismus
[21:45] <esden> the embedded one
[21:46] <blindcoder> owl: I'm pessimist with an inch realism :)
[21:46] <madtux> :P
[21:46] <owl> hehe. ;)
[21:46] <blindcoder> or was that realist with an inch pessimism?
[21:46] <madtux> esden: no i haven't butr i'm about to look
[21:46] <esden> owl: that is only interpolation of the knowledge of you and the hardware you posses ... it has nothing to do with optimism or pessimism ...
[21:47] <owl> esden: *kick* 
[21:47] <esden> madtux: there are some new action shots ... 
[21:47] <esden> owl: I know ... truth is hurting the most ... *sigh*
[21:48] <owl> esden: ack. especially if you spent 2189 EUR for a notebook and you will have to send it to the manufacter the 5th time... 
[21:49] <esden> urgh ... 2189 for such a crap? ... you could have an I book for that ... or even a powerbook
[21:49] Action: blindcoder spent no more than 1400 for his...
[21:50] <blindcoder> and the worst problem is that the feet are coming off
[21:50] <owl> esden: yep. i boutht it 2001... this NB was one of the most up-to-date NBs :( 
[21:51] <owl> blindcoder: haha. this is just the beginning. at least it was here
[21:51] <blindcoder> owl: after one year of flawless operation
[21:51] <esden> I knew why I decided to buy a powerbook ... what ever happens ... not looking at losts or problems I may have with that decision ... and I am very happy about that decision! ;)
[21:52] <esden> for now at least
[21:52] <esden> let's talk in a year ;)
[21:52] <blindcoder> hehe
[21:52] <owl> blindcoder: well. 10 months they were here ;p
[21:52] <esden> but for now it is amazing me all the time ... more and more
[21:52] <owl> (about 11 month)
[21:53] <owl> why amazing?
[21:54] <blindcoder> owl: here it is the 13th month now :-)
[21:54] <owl> blindcoder: bllll :p
[21:54] <esden> it works smooth ... it is stable like hell ... I really have to be very nasty so that the system starts to lag or something ... it is supporting 99% of the hardware I connect to it without installing drivers ... all possible software is included for free ... to support all kinds of hardware ... 
[21:54] <esden> and and and and and ... 
[21:54] Action: blindcoder takes owls tongue and nails it onto the table
[21:55] <blindcoder> esden: poser :P>
[21:55] <owl> esden: hmm. which OS running on it? and which distro?
[21:55] <blindcoder> owl: BSD
[21:55] <blindcoder> Macosix
[21:55] <esden> and when anything is missing I can install linux software and problem solved ... ;)
[21:56] <owl> hm. 
[21:56] Action: blindcoder --> bed now
[21:56] <blindcoder> good night!
[21:56] <owl> gn8 blindy
[21:56] <esden> good night blindy
[21:56] <owl> sleep well
[21:56] <madtux> nacht blindy
[21:57] <madtux> esden: nice action shots..
[21:57] <madtux> btw how tf do is pronounce piotr?
[21:58] <esden> *GG*
[21:58] <esden> madtux: you don't have to ... ... ... yet ;)
[21:58] <madtux> :)
[21:58] <madtux> well i'm serious
[21:58] <madtux> :)
[21:59] <daja77> call him peter
[21:59] Action: daja77 hides
[21:59] <esden> I can not explain that in icq ... it is bit difficult ... ;)
[21:59] <madtux> daja77: nah i will just call him Pjotr thats easier :)
[21:59] <madtux> esden: well this is not icq
[21:59] Action: madtux runs
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[22:00] <owl> *g* 
[22:00] <owl> hi [anders] 
[22:00] <madtux> [anders]: !
[22:01] <[anders]> lo owl
[22:01] <[anders]> lo madtux 
[22:01] <esden> hi [anders] 
[22:01] Action: [anders] is experimenting with X.org, xcompmgr and transset
[22:01] <[anders]> lo esden
[22:01] <madtux> [anders]: nice to hear :)
[22:02] <madtux> wow esden did not kill me
[22:02] <esden> urgh ... yes ... 
[22:03] <esden> I am symultanously in icq ...
[22:03] <esden> that is the problem
[22:03] <esden> sorry bout that
[22:03] Action: madtux .oO( i guess he didn't notice i called him Pjotr )
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[22:05] <[anders]> humma.. not a good thing to restart xcompmgr with windows visible on screen
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[22:37] <treo> gn8
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[22:37] <esden> urgh ... I am not Pjotr!!! >_<
[22:37] Action: esden killing maddy now!
[22:38] <madtux> esden: ahhh!!!!
[22:38] Action: madtux runs
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