[00:25] <daja77> fake: ?
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[03:13] <fake> daja77: ?
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[05:39] <ojh> Hello? Any elae on?
[05:40] <ojh> else
[05:40] <ojh> Anyone else on?
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[06:01] <ojh> Hello?
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[08:14] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:10] <th> 2192 builds total, 2192 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[09:12] <blindcoder> sweet
[09:51] <fake> th: woot!
[10:08] <daja77> moin
[10:19] <th> so it's time for the last changes to the pkgsels
[10:20] <daja77> fake: on real error i saw the error better, it is no kde bug, it is a permission problem, rockplug was unable to load modules, and kde unable to write to any device ... 
[10:30] <owl> moin. *yaaaaaawn*
[10:30] <daja77> on real hw i meant
[11:02] <th> argl. is that Create-ErrList script broken?
[11:02] <th> there are two errors
[11:20] <th> hmmm stage5 errors due to build order. went ok in stage9
[11:20] <th> but this should be listet by the script
[11:20] <th> damn it
[11:21] <netrunner> daja77: the rock-theme thing is exactly unfeatured yet? or do I simply not see it?
[11:23] <netrunner> ah ok, I was to fast
[11:24] <netrunner> daja77: may I suggest seperating this into the packages you want to theme and using pkg_foo_post.conf?
[11:25] <netrunner> daja77: the current way will fail if there is no kde but theming enabled. and it would make the package itself superfluous.
[11:25] <netrunner> daja77: and you could alter installed files from the to-be-themed package without getting shared files.
[12:37] <daja77> netrunner: i could simply add a check if kdebas eis checked
[12:38] <blindcoder> daja77: I think pkg_foo_post is better here
[12:38] <blindcoder> because then the files belong to kde and not to themese
[12:38] <daja77> the advantage is you can add/remove themeing with mine,, without recompiling anything
[12:39] <blindcoder> daja77: those are really just background images/cursor images/whatever, aren't they?
[12:39] <daja77> what else?
[12:40] <blindcoder> daja77: that's why I'm asking :)
[12:40] <blindcoder> daja77: OTOH, having them in a separate package makes it easy to update
[12:41] <daja77> OTOH?
[12:41] <daja77> yes all theme stuff in one place
[12:41] <daja77> and at least for kde it does not produce shared files
[12:42] <blindcoder> OTOH: On The O{ne,ther} Hand
[12:42] <daja77> oh :)
[12:43] <daja77> i will add config options to select a pic of your woen for themeing as well
[12:47] <netrunner> daja77: think of packages you can brand only by supplying build time options.
[12:48] <daja77> which?
[12:48] <netrunner> or e.g. package/x11/mozilla/home-bookmarks.patch should also get into the branding thing.
[12:48] <daja77> firefox should be patched not to link to redhat ...
[12:49] <netrunner> yes and so on. but if you do this from the package, you get shared files because you touch mozilla's files
[12:49] <daja77> rock-theme is desktop branding, not everything else ...
[12:50] <daja77> it is ugly to put that in kdebase, because it is not really needed there
[12:50] <daja77> and that kind of branding needs to be simplified, to produce branded livecds easily
[12:50] <daja77> e.g.
[12:52] <netrunner> daja77: yes. base/rock-theme/pkg_kde3-base_post.conf
[12:53] <netrunner> daja77: there you do a check if branding is enabled.
[12:53] <daja77> ah ok
[12:53] <netrunner> daja77: it get's integrated into the kde package
[12:53] <blindcoder> netrunner: the pkg_foo_post files are only included if the package they reside in is active
[12:54] <blindcoder> so if rock-theme is disabled rock-theme/pkg_kde3-base_post.conf won't be included
[12:54] <blindcoder> you don't need a check in that
[12:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: fine :) no check neccessary :)
[12:54] <daja77> that's why i wrote initial version ...
[12:55] <blindcoder> daja77: hey, noones is saying that it sucks. it's great work and we're offering possible further improvements
[12:55] <daja77> yes
[12:55] <daja77> i was hoping for that
[12:55] <netrunner> btw, has anybody ever managed to do the bootsplash thing?
[12:56] <blindcoder> not really tried...
[12:56] <netrunner> I only got it built and added, but never saw it in the end.
[12:57] <daja77> if we get livecd fixed, we could try it with that 
[13:01] <daja77> off to university, hope fake will be online soon
[13:01] <netrunner> what's broken with the livecd?
[13:02] <daja77> access to kernel modules is read/write protected, some devices are write protected too, leading kde to crahs
[13:04] <netrunner> ah.
[13:04] Action: netrunner -> meeting
[13:06] <blindcoder> kde crashes if it can't _write_ to the kernel modules o_O
[13:31] <fake> daja77: that's weird
[13:32] <fake> daja77: why can't it write to the devices? that drivers fail to load should not be the root of the problem
[13:56] <daja77> fake: can i upload that image to a machine near you?
[13:59] <daja77> blindcoder: no because it can't write to ttys etc.
[14:04] <blindcoder> daja77: ah, okay *phew*
[14:06] <fake> daja77: is devfs mounted?
[14:07] <daja77> dunno
[14:07] <fake> daja77: boot with 'livecd dodebug=1'
[14:07] <daja77> ok
[14:08] <daja77> damn, brb, rebooting
[14:26] <daja77> back
[14:29] <daja77> fake: yes devfs is mounted
[14:29] <daja77> the error was /tmt/.ICExxx could not be created, you need to be root to do this
[14:30] <mnemoc> moin!
[14:30] <daja77> i'd have connected from livecd but /etc is readonly :/
[14:30] <daja77> hi mnemoc 
[14:38] <fake> daja77: etc should not be readonly - there are just symlinks...
[14:38] <fake> daja77: so rm <file> && cp /ROCK/etc/<file> . && vim <file> should work
[14:39] <daja77> k.
[14:39] <daja77> what about that .ICE stuff
[14:40] <daja77> have only one machine here atm 
[14:40] <mnemoc> daja77: linux-tage? typo?
[14:40] <daja77> i can upload that image if you like
[14:41] <daja77> mnemoc: no why?
[14:42] <mnemoc> daja77: i thought hat was linuxtag :\
[14:42] <mnemoc> that*
[14:42] <daja77> tag = day, tage = days 
[14:42] <blindcoder> daja77: maybe I can be there, have to check once I'm back home
[14:42] <daja77> you could check if the url is working
[14:43] <daja77> blindcoder: great
[14:43] <mnemoc> daja77: ic :)
[14:43] <daja77> :)
[15:11] <fake> daja77: the ICE stuff is strange. /tmp should *really* be world writeable
[15:12] <daja77> it is
[15:12] <daja77> but mkdir failed :/
[15:12] <daja77> can i give that image somehow?
[15:12] <daja77> +you
[15:15] <fake> the imge you built?
[15:16] <fake> i guess it's pretty big - can you upload it at university or so?
[15:17] <daja77> have not that a big quota
[15:17] <daja77> i am at university now, so i coudl upload it anywhere ...
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[15:25] <madtux> hello
[15:26] <mnemoc> hi mike
[15:26] <daja77> hi madtux 
[15:27] <madtux> hi mnemoc and daja77 
[15:35] <fake> daja77: i take it you don't have a machine to put it?
[15:35] <daja77> no machine with a fast connection
[15:35] <blindcoder> hrm
[15:36] <daja77> my laptop is behind a firewall, so i can't run an apache here
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[16:10] <daja77> grrr again netrunners patches do not apply
[16:11] <daja77> well don't worry, the rest seems to not apply too
[16:13] <blindcoder> heh
[16:13] <madtux> stop grrr'ing and fix them
[16:14] <daja77> oh ic
[16:14] <fake> daja77: it's a bit ugly atm (the desc file changes from clifford reg. stage 1/3 rebuilds)
[16:14] <daja77> the patches liggering in submaster, but they are already in svn
[16:14] <fake> no need to fix them
[16:14] <fake> what??
[16:15] <fake> which patches?
[16:15] <fake> nothing is in svn
[16:15] <daja77> or i already apllied some this week
[16:15] <fake> that's still in submaster
[16:15] <fake> more likely ;)
[16:15] <daja77> ok my fault, forgot about that
[16:16] <fake> i ment, it depends wether the person creating a patch for a descfile affected had the patches applied already or not, and if you have or not
[16:17] <daja77> no i already applied the first part of the patches, haven't noticed that they are still in the queue
[16:17] <fake> aaah! well, that looks strange, yes ;)
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[16:35] <treo> hi
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[17:56] <esden> hi ho everyon
[17:56] <esden> e
[18:08] <esden> humm ... everyone asleep? o_O
[18:08] <madtux> hi esden
[18:08] <esden> ahh hi madtux!
[18:08] <madtux> :)
[18:09] <esden> so not everybody is asleep ;)
[18:09] <madtux> how are u ?
[18:09] <esden> hungry!
[18:12] <esden> and you madtux?
[18:12] <esden> ahh ... very well ... pizza ... yum yum yum ... MAMPF!
[18:13] <madtux> doing ok thanks :)
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[18:41] <netrunner> hi esden
[18:49] <netrunner> *g* (non-adult) http://asdfg.mine.nu/~rehabdoll/humor/pics/photo90.jpg
[18:49] Action: netrunner has a feeling that rating his links is important ;)
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[19:16] <esden> rofl ... netrunner  that link is very nice
[19:16] <esden> I think one should write that notice on most pc's
[19:18] <esden> thc_rot suite case prepared ... _good_ ;)
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[20:44] <esden_> dot
[20:44] <esden_> hrm
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[20:48] <blindcoder> moin
[20:57] <owl> huh? blindy? hi
[20:59] Action: mnemoc *hates* Worm.Zafi.D!
[21:00] <blindcoder> owl: yes, that's me :)
[21:10] <owl> hehe. worm.zafi.d is you? O_o 
[21:16] <mnemoc> =)
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[22:12] <esden> re hi
[22:12] <blindcoder> wb esden 
[22:12] Action: esden finished moving
[22:13] <blindcoder> nice :)
[22:13] <esden> several minutes ago I unpacked the last load from my car
[22:13] <blindcoder> and you're only again already
[22:14] <esden> and now I am missing the second key to my cell ... so I can give them to the administration>_<
[22:14] <esden> it is in ingolstadt >_<
[22:14] <esden> damn
[22:14] <esden> blindcoder: ? what do you want to tell me with that? ... it is not really understandable ...
[22:16] <blindcoder> esden: oh... nothing really :D
[22:16] Action: blindcoder smiles engagingly
[22:16] <esden> no ... it is a syntax parse error ... 
[22:17] <esden> please retry ;)
[22:17] <blindcoder> esden: I just want to say that you're addicted :P
[22:17] <esden> addicted to what?
[22:17] <esden> moving?
[22:17] <blindcoder> IRC
[22:20] <esden> hrm?
[22:20] <esden> you think?
[22:21] <blindcoder> yes, I think :D
[22:25] <esden> humm ... why do you think so?
[22:26] <esden> I am only working against lonelyness ;)
[22:26] <blindcoder> yeah. on IRC. in #rocklinux.
[22:29] <esden> and?
[22:29] <esden> why not?
[22:29] <blindcoder> well...
[22:29] <esden> ok ... I admit that I am addicted to you guys ;)
[22:29] <blindcoder> thanks. that was what I wanted to hear :D
[22:29] <esden> will you accept that answer ;)
[22:29] <esden> good
[22:35] <netrunner> hm. tomorrow I'll write an exam in efficient algorithms.
[22:35] <netrunner> my plan is to start learning tomorrow morning. is that wrong? 
[22:36] <esden> netrunner: no ... that exam is not _that_ hard ;)
[22:36] <esden> I wrote it already
[22:36] <netrunner> esden: really? at tum?
[22:36] <esden> ack
[22:36] <netrunner> you are sure you are not talking about basic algorithms?
[22:37] <netrunner> cause the latter is the one you must listen to :)
[22:37] <esden> ohh ... yes basic algorithms
[22:38] <netrunner> yeah, I already had that. which is a good basic for ea, but I didn't learn so far  ...
[22:38] <netrunner> damn. I hate studying.
[22:38] <netrunner> and half an hour after the exam I have a presentation.
[22:38] <treo> gn8
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[22:39] <esden> humm ... nice
[22:39] <esden> that is a busy day
[22:39] <netrunner> hm. me doing reflection. sleeping :)
[22:39] <netrunner> esden: yes, ends at about 2200
[22:40] <netrunner> n8 *
[22:40] <esden> n8 netrunner 
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[23:06] <esden> damn I realized that I deleted my thc schematic >_<
[23:30] <daja77> hi esden 
[23:31] <esden> hi daja77 
[23:31] <esden> urgh ... my feet stink >_<
[23:31] <daja77> haha!
[23:36] <esden> that is not funny
[23:36] <daja77> no perhaps not
[23:57] <esden> brb
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