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[00:07] <esden> hi ho everyone???
[00:09] <esden> cu all
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[00:48] <fake> hi
[01:02] <netrunner> kernel 2.6.10
[01:15] <netrunner> hm. this -newdelete thing is quite intrusive. it left 4 logfiles :)
[01:32] Action: netrunner starting a crystal build with 2.6.10 tomorrow morning.
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[06:10] <mistik1>  Merry Christmas Everyone!!!
[06:13] <ojh> Quick question: how do I deselect packages while configuring a target?
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[09:11] <netrunner> moin
[09:55] <praenti> moin
[10:18] <praenti> netrunner: when do start driving to berlin? Optional I need some place for my tower and have no information yet if fake can take it to berlin
[10:24] <th> damn it. i have to commit to the 2.0.4 tag :-(
[10:24] <th> fscking dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_tar.patch
[10:25] <praenti> th: whats wrong with tar?
[10:25] <th> praenti: dietlibc injects a tar patch for bootdisk target
[10:25] <th> praenti: which does not apply after tar update
[10:25] <th> it did not break my reference build of course
[10:26] <th> but i did not build a boot target before tagging 2.0.4
[10:26] <th> so i did not notice the problem
[10:26] <praenti> th: oh
[10:26] <th> currently considering what to do.
[10:27] <th> but i guess i will commit into the tags/2.0.4
[10:27] <th> or remove better remove the tag again
[10:27] <th> and readd it later.
[10:27] <th> yea thats better
[10:27] <praenti> th: whats wrong on comitting it. you haven't released the version yet
[10:28] <th> committing into tags/ in general
[10:28] <praenti> i see
[10:28] <th> praenti: will you be at the congress?
[10:29] <praenti> th: yes, will join 26th evening
[10:29] <th> praenti: great. so you will be there even before myself
[10:29] <praenti> th: if the plane is on time
[10:29] <th> praenti: there was some issue lingering around very long now i want to discuss with you ;)
[10:30] <praenti> th: i hope i will be prepared...
[10:31] <th> praenti: it's about openmotif/lesstif
[10:31] <praenti> ok
[10:32] <th> smp wanted to discuss this with you in first place but obviously he didn't
[10:32] <th> i have to read my logs with him about it, to recall the details myself ;)
[10:32] <praenti> what was the main question? the license thing?
[10:32] <th> no
[10:33] <th> guess it was about openmotif vs. lesstif
[10:33] <th> and the (old) version of openmotif
[10:35] <praenti> ahh. understand. i know what you mean. I wanted to have a look on congress on that. problem with 2.2.x versions was that nedit declared as not official released
[10:35] <praenti> ...(declared) them...
[10:36] <praenti> and after a deeper look i have seen that also, because no 2.2.x version was available on the opengroup-server
[10:37] <praenti> see ftp://openmotif.opengroup.org/pub/openmotif/
[10:40] <praenti> hmm. looks like nedit declared 2.2.x ok.
[10:40] <praenti> perhaps an update is needed. i schedule that for congress
[10:43] <th> yea let's have a look there.
[10:49] <th> 2.0.4 has been untagged.
[11:04] <th> hmmm is there anything i should not forget to bring to the congress?
[11:06] <praenti> hmm. i don't know anything. the only thing i hope is ripclaw brings some switches with him
[11:06] <th> i'll have some cheap small ones with me
[11:07] <praenti> th: i think that will be enough.
[11:07] <th> i'm still unsure wether my laptop is enough to bring along
[11:07] <praenti> i only remember how the network was last year
[11:08] <praenti> i hope i will get my tower to berlin. otherwise my ibook must be enough.
[11:09] <blindcoder> moin
[11:09] <th> it's somewhere in the south?
[11:09] <th> moin blindy
[11:09] <blindcoder> moin th
[11:09] <praenti> moin blindcoder 
[11:09] <praenti> th: yes. so only fake and netrunner have it on their way
[11:10] <blindcoder> moin praenti 
[11:10] <blindcoder> praenti: when will you come to me tomorrow?
[11:10] <praenti> blindcoder: when should i come? ;-)
[11:16] <th> blindcoder: will you have some build-power at the congress?
[11:21] <blindcoder> th: I can bring some
[11:21] <blindcoder> but I need storage
[11:21] <blindcoder> the best storage I have is an external 40 GB USB drive
[11:22] <th> storage for what?
[11:22] <praenti> DVD-Burner and 10x 4,7 GB DVD+RW
[11:23] <blindcoder> th: for ROCK
[11:24] <blindcoder> I only have three or four GB free on that machine
[11:24] <th> i see
[11:24] <praenti> ohh. i will have alook if i can get 13 gb free
[11:24] <blindcoder> as I said, I have a 40 GB USB disk
[11:24] <blindcoder> if that's enough, fine
[11:25] <praenti> ok. i must leave
[11:25] Action: praenti lunch
[11:25] <blindcoder> bye
[11:25] <th> perhaps i should bring this 160GB hdd with me.
[11:25] <blindcoder> :)
[11:27] <blindcoder> okay, gottaq leave again, too
[11:27] <blindcoder> this dial-up here stinks
[11:27] <blindcoder> bye
[11:28] <th> cya
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[11:58] <treo> moin
[12:34] <mnemoc> moin!
[13:08] <owl> moin
[13:08] <owl> merry x-mas...
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[14:15] <esden> hi ho everyone
[14:18] <daja77> hi esden 
[14:23] <esden> hi daja!!!
[14:23] <esden> at least someone is online;)
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[15:10] Action: praenti back online
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[15:40] <blindcoder> hi
[15:41] <blindcoder> netcrow: ping
[15:43] <blindcoder> netcrow: ah, forget it
[15:45] <blindcoder> th: could you please send an announcement to the mailing lists?+
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[17:19] <daja77> ARGL
[17:20] <__mnemoc> uhm?
[17:20] <daja77> generic build produced no bash package
[17:23] <__mnemoc> o_O
[17:24] <daja77> built in stage 3 but no gem produce, resulting in a non working install ...
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[17:46] <owl> hi
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[17:57] <daja77> can I mount a usb stick in bootdisk?
[18:01] <__mnemoc> second stage, i guess you can :)
[18:01] <daja77> yep did that, had to load ub module
[18:05] <fake> daja77: thanks for the postcard!
[18:05] <daja77> ;)
[18:06] <daja77> *grml* chroot: cannot run command '/bin/sh': no such file or directory
[18:07] <daja77> i installed a bash there ...
[18:09] <daja77> mount /dev/scsi/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /mnt/flash/
[18:09] <daja77> oops
[18:28] <th> blindcoder: no :-(
[18:30] <th> blindcoder: small accident with tar when linking for dietlib
[18:33] <th> blindcoder: the reference and crystal build went fine.
[18:33] <th> blindcoder: but bootdisk fails
[18:34] <th> there is a problem with whcar
[18:36] <fake> th: see package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9 in trunk
[18:36] <th> fake: thanks
[18:36] <fake> th: i remember tar woes with dietlibc...
[18:38] <th> fake: but there is a known fix?
[18:43] <th> fake: there are quite big differences between trunk and stable in parse-config-9
[18:53] <th> -   hook_add preconf 8 'echo ac_cv_header_wchar_h=no >> config.cache'
[18:54] <th> these?
[19:06] <th> fake: could you spare a minute?
[19:10] <th> -   x="${pkg//-/_}" ; x="${x//+/_}" ; x="${x#*=}"
[19:10] <th> +   x="${pkg//-/_}" ; x="${x//+/_}"
[19:10] <th> could anyone parse this one for me?
[19:14] <SMP> th: x := replace all '-' in $pkg by '_'; x := replace all '+' in $x by '_' ; x := remove all characters up to an including the first '=' of $x
[19:15] <th> thanks. off again for some xmas dinner.
[19:15] <th> bbl
[19:15] <netrunner> does anybody know about this asm byteorder thing? I updated linux26 and got usr/include/linux/types.h:156: error: redefinition of typedef '__u16'
[19:15] <netrunner> in 1-util-linux
[19:16] <SMP> updated from what to what?
[19:16] <netrunner> SMP: linux 2.6.9 -> 2.6.10
[19:16] <netrunner> SMP:  I removed 2 patches from linux/linux26/ because they were applied.
[19:17] <SMP> maybe they unbroke the header for 2.6.10
[19:17] <netrunner> SMP: shall I rebuild without the asm byteorder patch?
[19:22] <fake> netrunner: try it!
[19:22] <netrunner> ah, removing the 74-asm-byteorder.patch ... now util-linux builds :)
[19:23] <fake> the one from util-linux? or the one from the kernel?
[19:23] <netrunner> fake: the one from kernel
[19:23] <fake> wee!
[19:23] <fake> that's great.
[19:23] <SMP> there's no such patch in util-linux
[19:23] <netrunner> SMP: yep.
[19:23] Action: fake wasn't sure and too lazy to take a look
[19:24] <SMP> I hope removing the patch from linux26 doesn't cause any regressions for other packages
[19:24] <netrunner> I'll commit the update once a full kernel build went through
[19:24] <netrunner> SMP: I can wait until the whole crystal build finished. would be tomorrow something.
[19:25] <netrunner> hm. I am a bit late with building a system for the laptop I want to take to berlin ;)
[19:37] <praenti> uff. dns configured.
[19:37] <praenti> time to eat and then i must clean my ibook for 21c3
[20:01] <netrunner> hrmpf. can it be that smap does not svn add's files?
[20:05] <netrunner> I had a head-tail.patch in ncurses that was not under version control.
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[20:48] <ojh> I have a question, how do I customize the package selection with the ROCK Config script?
[20:52] <ojh> I want to remove all the KDE and most ofthe GNOME section and add some custom packages.
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[20:52] <th> that's easy. have a look at the misc/pkgsel/*in files
[20:53] <th> ojh: it's just sed.
[20:55] <ojh> So, the syntax expected in the add package rule screen is the same as in these *.in files?
[20:57] <th> i never use them
[20:57] <th> just set up your own pkgsel file.
[20:57] <th> it's easy
[20:57] <ojh> Sounds easy, all I want to do is add Zero-Install to the minimal+xfree.
[20:57] <th> you can seelct by repository or pkg
[20:57] <th> or anything
[20:58] <ojh> Its just a regexp match right?
[20:58] <th> yea
[20:58] <ojh> IC :D
[20:59] <ojh> THX.
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[21:12] <jabbott> yay! What is Rock Linux? Why is it better than Red Hat 9?
[21:13] <th> who said that it's better?
[21:13] <th> who said it's even comparable?
[21:18] <jabbott> th: I didn't mean that. I meant what other features does it have? why was it created? et ceterea
[21:18] <jabbott> *cetera
[21:19] <th> jabbott: it's not a linux distribution
[21:20] <th> jabbott: it's more a distribution build kit
[21:20] <th> jabbott: you can gather more information on the websites
[21:22] <jabbott> rocklinux.de ??
[21:22] <th> .org
[21:29] <jabbott> thanks
[21:29] <jabbott> will this seemlessly upgrade from RH9 to RL w/o destroying data?
[21:29] <th> you still did not understand.
[21:30] <th> but you can install withoutloosing data
[21:30] <th> if you know where your data is
[21:35] <jabbott> kewl
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[21:55] <fake> ... that's gonna be fun ...
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[23:05] <netrunner> omg. he's gonna sue us :)
[23:12] <tcr> netrunner, Bah, until then he'll prolly have all possible scrap of evidency destroyed.
[23:12] <tcr> evidence
[23:16] <netrunner> grmpf. lvm2 fails with some error in kernel headers. apparently unrelated to anything patched in.
[23:17] <netrunner> and I wanted to get this crystal build running until 21c3 ... should have started earlier ;)
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