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[00:17] <owl> brrrrrrrr. mobrrrrin. *shivers*
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[02:22] <treo> gn8
[02:23] <owl> gn8 treo 
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[10:12] <blindcoder> moin
[10:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: "If everything up to here went fine, you can not try a reboot."  ???
[10:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: I'll change that to "you can now try" :-)
[10:22] <blindcoder> netrunner: btw, had success with dvdstyler?
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[15:08] <esden> hi ho everyone
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[15:12] <mnemoc> hi esdentem
[15:40] <esden> hi mnemoc 
[15:41] <esden> god I am tired!!!
[15:41] <owl> hi esden 
[15:41] <esden> hi owl
[15:41] <owl> how are you?
[15:42] Action: esden looking into tikiwiki
[15:42] <esden> seems to be very feature full .. and that is good as well as bad ...
[15:42] <owl> tikiwiki?
[15:43] <esden> www.tikiwiki.org
[15:43] <owl> hm. would you rate it "better" than mediawiki?
[15:43] <esden> mediawiki misses a lot of features
[15:44] <esden> and it does not contain a cms ...
[15:44] <esden> and a news system ... and a blog system
[15:44] <esden> to be a full featured site
[15:44] <esden> what I need a system for
[15:44] <owl> (well, i need a wiki for dokumentation about 'how does this work' for my dad... so it must be easy (even for non-advanced users...)
[15:44] <esden> and you can only upload images to mediawiki
[15:44] <esden> that is in most cases not enough
[15:45] <esden> owl ... use plane html and an ftp account ;)
[15:45] <esden> that is the most easy wiki you can imagine ;)
[15:46] <esden> anonymous ftp with write access of course
[15:46] <esden> or .. when you want to have it more sophisticated you can use svn ... that is public writable ;)
[15:46] <esden> *GG*
[15:46] <owl> esden: haha. ftp is to dangerous for my dad ... ;)
[15:46] <owl> hm. nah. guess i will continue using mediawiki for doku etc.
[15:47] <blindcoder> esden: subwiki
[15:47] <blindcoder> if you want to use svn
[15:47] <esden> blindcoder: I need more then a wiki
[15:48] <esden> I want also a news front site
[15:48] <esden> with rss
[15:48] <esden> and I want also that parts of the site are only editable by main developers and not public writable
[15:49] <esden> and with svn it is a mess setting rights for parts of the svn tree
[15:50] <esden> and for example for the news I want an rss feed ... all that is in tikiwiki out of the box
[15:50] <blindcoder> esden: typo3 *run*
[15:50] <blindcoder> esden: I meant subwiki if you want to use svn
[15:50] <esden> BLINDY!!! >_<
[15:50] <esden> are you insane!!! 
[15:50] <blindcoder> of course I am
[15:50] <esden> I did once create a design for that crap .... NEVER MORE!!!
[15:50] <blindcoder> took you long enough
[15:50] <esden> one week ... one _WHOLE_ week!!
[15:51] <blindcoder> did you read MTB I and II?
[15:51] <esden> MTB?
[15:51] <blindcoder> took me two days for www.crash-override.net
[15:51] <blindcoder> Modern Template Building
[15:52] <esden> ahh ... ok
[15:52] <blindcoder> the step-by-step-howto to creating layouts with typo3
[15:52] <esden> yes ... I read some howto ...
[15:52] <esden> with images and stuff
[15:52] <blindcoder> ack
[15:53] <esden> and I had to puke after I had to read the same sentence three times because I did not understand it ... not because my english is bad ... but because the idea behind the sentence was so screwed that my brain did not want to screw that much ... and did not match the idea ...
[15:53] <esden> you know what I mean ;)
[15:54] <blindcoder> yes, sounds about right
[15:55] <esden> that was the menue building part ... there are three different ways to create nearly the same thing ... only with other design features ... but the problem was that none of these systems did produce the look I wanted to have
[15:56] <esden> was it me ... or the system is bit unflexible ;)
[15:56] <esden> ok ... enough about typo
[15:56] Action: esden kicks typo ;)
[15:59] <owl> *g* esden, why don't you like typo3? ;) 
[15:59] <esden> owl ... read above owl!!!
[15:59] <esden> I will not repeat that
[16:00] <owl> esden: well. already did. but: it is - if you're understanding it - very flexible
[16:00] <esden> nope it is not ...
[16:00] <esden> you have to try to do something with it by yourself ... 
[16:01] <esden> and not something that "the system provides/supports" but something you think about ... that yoou want to have
[16:01] <esden> then you will see that that thing is not flexible enough
[16:01] <owl> hm. ok. but tikiwiki is? 
[16:01] <esden> no ... probably not ...
[16:01] <esden> but it does not have to be
[16:01] <esden> it supports the things I want to have
[16:02] <owl> k. 
[16:02] <esden> I do not have to hack the system to have the things I need
[16:02] <esden> in typo3 I have to
[16:02] <owl> ic.
[16:03] <owl> hm. btw, what about a project managment software (but not like gantt...) more like 'ms project'? is there something available?
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[16:42] <joss193> hi
[16:43] <joss193> so anyone here tried qtgtk?
[16:43] <blindcoder> qtwhat?
[16:45] <joss193> http://mart193.dynds.org/gedit
[16:46] <joss193> well there i tried to use that library for replacing gtk dialogs, but it doesnt work, i mean filechoosing doesnt work
[16:46] <joss193> dialog pops up
[16:47] <joss193> so few modifictaions needed, but i cant see the shortcut there :)
[16:47] <joss193> just red from this link, that someone worked on it....
[16:48] <joss193> daja77: might got an idea who it was?
[16:48] <blindcoder> joss193: well, what's the name of the person talking about working on it?
[16:49] <joss193> blidncoder:daja77?
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[16:50] <joss193> err.. blindcoder:daja77?
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[16:50] <blindcoder> joss193: hmm, last seen him yesterday evening around 23PM
[16:53] <joss193> blindcoder: you have you tried modifying some sources yourself?
[16:53] <blindcoder> of qtgtk? no
[16:55] <joss193> really annoying someone did thsose here and there but hasnt distributed patchsets etc. :(
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[17:24] <daja77> no idea why he hilighted me ...
[17:30] <blindcoder> daja77: something about qtgtk from jan 2004 here in the channel
[17:31] <daja77> *shrug*
[17:39] <netrunner> blindcoder: shall I ask you on the ml to submit more info so your report can be handled? :)
[17:40] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, that's all the info I have
[17:41] <blindcoder> besides the rest of the logfile which shows the same
[17:41] <netrunner> netrunner: rock-src version, optimization chosen ... 
[17:41] <netrunner> s/netrunner/blindcoder/
[17:41] <netrunner> blindcoder: applied sm patches ...
[17:41] <blindcoder> rock rev 5472 (current head), no optimisation, no patches
[17:41] <blindcoder> x86 if that helps
[17:41] <netrunner> blindcoder: because I during one week I ran through 3 builds w/o problems in linux26-header.
[17:42] <netrunner> blindcoder: I'd point to the lvp, maybe you ask its maintainer :)
[17:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: :P
[17:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: can you try building a lvp from current head (just start the build, the error occured during the first few seconds of linux26-header)
[17:44] <blindcoder> the logfile will just stop with all cpu going to a process called conf
[17:52] <netrunner> blindcoder: I have no plain trunk. here it fails because the cryptoloop patch fails to apply.
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[17:55] <blindcoder>  hmm
[17:55] <blindcoder> interesting
[17:56] <blindcoder> well, guess there's at least a hint as to where to start looking, thanks
[17:56] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:56] <blindcoder> cryptoloop or loop-aes?
[17:58] <netrunner> /usr/src/rock-submaster/package/blindcoder/loop-aes/linux26_cryptolo
[17:58] <netrunner> op.diff
[17:58] <blindcoder> okay, thanks
[18:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: which kernel version?
[18:02] <blindcoder> applied fine against 2.6.9 here
[18:07] <netrunner> 2.9.10
[18:07] <netrunner> oehm
[18:07] <netrunner> 2.6.10
[18:08] <netrunner> no, I am not from the future .)
[18:08] <blindcoder> damn :)
[18:08] <blindcoder> okay, current trunk still holds 2.6.9
[18:15] <nookie> hi blindcoder, netrunner :)
[18:15] <blindcoder> moin nookie 
[18:22] <blindcoder> netrunner: okay, there seems to be a bug in the kernel configurator
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[18:22] <blindcoder> will look into that sometime this week
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[20:19] <netrunner> *boerps*
[20:21] <blindcoder> prost
[20:22] Action: netrunner just had a veery good cooking and dinner.
[20:23] <blindcoder> I didn't cook anything today
[20:23] <netrunner> vegetable-couscous + wine from chile
[20:23] <netrunner> my brother has his girl-in-work here ... thought they'd eat with us. so I made everything candle-light-dinner like .. :)
[20:24] <blindcoder> sweet
[20:24] <netrunner> he didn't even introduce us to her ... so I ate alone w my gf. ... was nice though ... more wine for us :)
[20:24] <blindcoder> caring brother, aren't we?
[20:25] <netrunner> sure. :)
[20:27] Action: blindcoder pats netrunner on the head
[20:27] <blindcoder> good bay
[20:27] <blindcoder> boy
[20:28] <mnemoc> :)
[20:31] <netrunner> hm. I think I shouldn't code any more today 
[20:31] <blindcoder> with your girl waiting for you?
[20:31] <th> netrunner: keep going!
[20:31] <blindcoder> sure
[20:32] <netrunner> sm send
[20:35] <netrunner> blindcoder: no success with dvdstyler btw, mpgtx didn't build.
[20:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: yeah, found that out a few hours ago. gcc 3.4 again
[20:36] <blindcoder> went fine with 3.3
[20:36] <netrunner> jup. I went into patching it a bit, but lost the energy :)
[20:36] <blindcoder> for some strange reason it can't find a method
[20:37] <blindcoder> maybe I should discard it ;)
[20:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: one error was a missing include, one was a missing semicolon ...
[20:38] <netrunner> the last is a linking problem, but my knowledge is low in this field.
[20:38] <blindcoder> semicolon? where?
[20:38] <blindcoder> hadn't found that
[20:38] <blindcoder> the missing include I've seen
[20:39] <netrunner> diff -ruN mpgtx-1.3/mpeg.cxx mpgtx-1.3-new/mpeg.cxx
[20:39] <netrunner> --- mpgtx-1.3/mpeg.cxx  2002-08-30 18:03:12.000000000 +0200
[20:39] <netrunner> +++ mpgtx-1.3-new/mpeg.cxx      2005-01-06 22:02:48.000000000 +0100
[20:39] <netrunner> @@ -2619,7 +2619,7 @@
[20:39] <netrunner>         PMT_PIDs(0),
[20:39] <netrunner>         n_PMT_PIDs(0),
[20:39] <netrunner>  read_pmts(0)
[20:39] <netrunner> -{};
[20:39] <netrunner> +{}
[20:39] <netrunner>  transport::~transport() {
[20:39] <netrunner>         BTRACK;
[20:39] <blindcoder> that's one too many :)
[20:40] <netrunner> whatever ;)
[20:41] <netrunner> hm. the last time I coded with wine the program ran just fine 2 years, until I accidently lost it.
[20:45] <netrunner> how usable is this e17 thing?
[20:45] <netrunner> it is a new enlightenment, no?
[20:45] <tfing> it is
[20:46] <tfing> not much usable for the moment
[20:46] <tfing> though it's nice to try for the eye candy
[20:51] <netrunner> blindcoder: am I stupid or is http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/RootOnLVM an empty page?
[20:51] <netrunner> in fact all pages are :/
[20:51] <netrunner> no.
[20:52] <netrunner> HowToInstall is empty. and the RootOnLVM. but why?
[20:54] <blindcoder> hrm
[20:54] <netrunner> hm. somehow it vanished when I viewed it.
[20:54] <blindcoder> someone deleted them
[20:54] <blindcoder> just got the commit mail
[20:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: I think I accidently clicked on http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/.apply/RootOnLVM in my history to get to that page.
[20:54] <tfing> you have a log of the ip or something ?
[20:54] <netrunner> blindcoder: that might have changed that page to empty.
[20:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's possible
[20:55] <tfing> haha
[20:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: I'll revert that change
[20:55] <netrunner> blindcoder: the howtoinstall one is also empty, maybe you can revert it too.
[20:55] <netrunner> haven't checkt the others.
[20:57] <blindcoder> yes, someone created it empty
[20:57] <blindcoder> guess I'll delete it from the repository
[20:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: done
[20:58] <blindcoder> netrunner: btw, the subversion repository as well as the commit-mailinglist are public, so if you want :-)
[20:59] Action: netrunner looking for the subscription url
[20:59] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/ROCKDoc
[21:01] <netrunner> wow, klicking on the link there brings up ximian evolution
[21:01] <blindcoder> as it should, it _is_ a mailto link, you knoww
[21:02] <netrunner> and after the configuration dialog .. "Application has exited unexpectedly" ...
[21:02] <blindcoder> *lol*
[21:02] <blindcoder> gimme your address, I'll add you manually
[21:02] <netrunner> no, I'll use my mail prog.
[21:02] <blindcoder> okay
[21:03] <blindcoder> that reminds me...
[21:03] <blindcoder> I never actually tried that link :)
[21:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: who the hell is is4it?
[21:04] <blindcoder> the name of the company that pays me :)
[21:05] <blindcoder> where'd you see that?
[21:05] <netrunner> blindcoder: and why is the whole company subscribed to rockdoc-submit? and why does that render me unable to unsubscribe?
[21:05] <blindcoder> hah?
[21:05] <netrunner> blindcoder: query
[21:07] <netrunner> ok. problem resolved.
[21:08] <netrunner> blindcoder: did you know that copynpaste is an antipattern? :)
[21:08] <netrunner> n8
[21:08] <blindcoder> I didn't copy and paste
[21:08] <blindcoder> I just copied :)
[21:09] <blindcoder> and what the hell is an antipattern
[22:01] <treo> grml, back 2 sql, gn8
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[23:39] <_Ragnar_> *g*
[23:39] <_Ragnar_> can anyone englighten me: what is 'liggering'?
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[23:40] <daja77> _Ragnar_: files lying around
[23:41] <_Ragnar_> isn't that li_n_gering?
[23:44] <mnemoc> lingering means something, liggering nothing
[23:47] <_Ragnar_> Ligger \Lig"ger\ (l[i^]g"g[~e]r), n.
[23:47] <_Ragnar_>    1. A baited line attached to a float, for night fishing. See
[23:47] <_Ragnar_>       {Leger}, a.
[23:48] <_Ragnar_> so liggering would be fishing at night with bait and float (verbing weirds language)
[23:48] <_Ragnar_> :)
[23:54] <mnemoc> :)
[23:58] <daja77> send a patch with a good word for it ;) 
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