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[01:19] <nookie> hello
[01:19] <nookie> anyone an idea, how "zip" works?
[01:19] <nookie> I want to put directory to directory.zip
[01:20] <nookie> but I don't get more intelligent out of the manpage :)
[01:31] <nookie> good night :)
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[07:59] <netrunner> moin
[08:00] <daja77> moin netrunner 
[08:01] Action: daja77 off again
[08:01] <netrunner> going to work a bit later gives a kind of boss feeling :)
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[08:07] <blindcoder> moin
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[09:06] <fake> moin
[09:09] <netrunner> hi fake
[09:12] <blindcoder> th: ping
[09:12] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[09:12] <blindcoder> fake: you know a bit about arrays in python?
[09:18] <fake> blindcoder: python? ask th
[09:19] <blindcoder> fake: not here, I just hoped :)
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[10:07] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[10:08] <esden> moin blindcoder 
[10:15] <netrunner> fascinating. my mc does not show a file which is about 4G
[10:23] <blindcoder> well, why do you have such big files, anyway
[10:31] <blindcoder> ln /usr/bin/aclocal-1.8 /usr/bin/aclocal-1.8-1.8
[10:31] <blindcoder> hoeh?
[10:33] <blindcoder> ah
[10:35] <fake> http://whatthehack.org/
[10:40] <blindcoder> fake: create an event :)
[10:46] <netrunner> cups update anybody? http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/54926
[10:57] <th> blindcoder: pong
[10:57] <th> blindcoder: thanks for improving my wiki entry
[10:57] <blindcoder> th: hi. any way of getting the number of items in an array?
[10:57] <blindcoder> th: you're welcome
[10:57] <th> blindcoder: python?
[10:57] <blindcoder> th: in python?
[10:58] <th> blindcoder: len(myArray)
[10:58] <blindcoder> ah, thanks
[10:58] <th> it's slightly irritating cause most other things are more like you'd expect in an oo world.
[10:58] <th> but there is a set of "operators" that are globally uniq
[10:59] <th> ord,chr,map,len,range,del,abs,isinstance,issubclass,...
[11:01] <blindcoder> thanks, I'll try to keep that in mind
[11:01] <blindcoder> netrunner: anything up with your mailserver?
[11:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: why?
[11:01] <blindcoder> netrunner: couldn't deliver a mail for 2 hours
[11:01] <blindcoder> <andreas@anvame.net>: connect to smtp.anvame.net[217.232.195.193]: Connection
[11:01] <blindcoder>     timed out
[11:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: are you caching ips? :=
[11:01] <netrunner> :)
[11:01] <blindcoder> no, usually not
[11:01] <SMP_> calling it an "operator" is a funny excuse for having a global function ;->
[11:02] <SMP_> hmm. nick ...
[11:02] <netrunner> blindcoder: that ip isn't valid since 8am
[11:02] <th> SMP_: you are always awake when you shouldn't and always asleep when you should be awake ;)
[11:02] Nick change: SMP_ -> SMP
[11:02] <th> answer: smtp.anvame.net 120 A 217.232.193.54
[11:02] <blindcoder> netrunner: hmm, gotta have a look at apollo
[11:03] <SMP> right, I *SO* shouldn't be awake right now ...
[11:03] <th> blindcoder: please resolve that A record on that reporting MTA recursivly
[11:03] <blindcoder> th: gimme access to it :)
[11:03] <blindcoder> th: mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de.
[11:03] <th> blindcoder: does it still report the wrong number?
[11:04] <th> hmmmm
[11:04] <blindcoder> that's the host that generated the error
[11:04] <th> it's propably using a resolver..
[11:04] <netrunner> blindcoder: why are you sending via tu? 
[11:04] <blindcoder> netrunner: I'm not, that's the fun part about it
[11:05] <blindcoder> netrunner: my host -> apollo -> web.de -> tu
[11:05] <blindcoder> that's the way that mail went
[11:05] <netrunner> hm, but you are right, the tum nameserver still has the old IP.
[11:06] <th> netrunner: i'm on it.
[11:06] <th> netrunner: it has a wrong ttl for it.
[11:06] <netrunner> th: what's the command to query recursive?
[11:06] <th> currently at ~42600
[11:06] <th> netrunner: dnsqr
[11:07] <blindcoder> 42k? 11 hours?
[11:07] <th> ack
[11:07] <th> must have startet at 86400
[11:07] <blindcoder> probably
[11:07] <th> ahhhh no
[11:08] <th> that was the answer to the authoritive NS records.
[11:09] <th> answer: smtp.anvame.net 120 A 217.232.195.193
[11:09] <th> it's answering correctly
[11:09] <th> which machine is answering with the old?
[11:11] <blindcoder> mailout1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de.
[11:12] <th> that machine does not answer to my dns queries at all
[11:12] <netrunner> ;; SERVER: 131.159.254.1#53(131.159.254.1)
[11:12] <blindcoder> th: that's the machine that sent the error-report
[11:13] <th> yes
[11:13] <th> i was refering to: "< netrunner> hm, but you are right, the tum nameserver still has the old IP."
[11:13] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[11:15] <netrunner> th: you probably cannot ask the server I just quoted. it is named internaldns1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de so I guess it's not accessible from outside
[11:16] <th> netrunner: i've found a problem.
[11:16] <th> netrunner: just a second.
[11:22] <th> netrunner: still here?
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[12:21] <owl> why are people as dumb as bread? why do they just understand someone if they were in the same situation once? why don't people understand that it is not possible to forget the past with one "click"? shit :(
[12:29] <blindcoder> hmm... why the hell does modpost segfault?
[12:32] <owl> it's suicidial?
[12:40] <blindcoder> no, just called stupidly
[12:40] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:40] <blindcoder> latest LVP has grown to 30 MB
[12:41] <blindcoder> I have to do something about this :(
[12:41] <owl> hm. called stupidly? didn't know yet, that my mum's name is 'modpost' 
[12:41] <owl> but - good to know
[12:42] <blindcoder> called as in called without checking if the parameters make sense
[12:42] <owl> LVP grown... 'rm -rf /'
[12:42] <owl> hm. k. 
[12:42] <blindcoder> nah, using dietlibc should suffice
[12:43] <owl> k. O_o
[12:43] <owl> .oO( all those dietlibc-people arround me ... help )
[12:44] <blindcoder> owl: supply and maintain a uclibc package and I will use that :)
[12:45] <owl> nope. i will maintain nothing. 
[12:50] <owl> wow! i got spam. thx beloved spammer to mail me. no i don't feel as lonely as i felt before. *puke*
[13:15] <th> blindcoder: there is a slight problem with "HowToInstall"
[13:16] <th> blindcoder: the first two points are _ways_ to install. the 2nd two points are _things_ to install
[13:16] <th> blindcoder: we must not mix this
[13:16] <blindcoder> th: just a moment, let me have a look
[13:17] <blindcoder> well, first, you don't "install" the bootdisk target, so I think that should be eliminated altogether
[13:17] <blindcoder> the rescue target is something I still don't understand completely so I refrain from saying something about it
[13:18] <blindcoder> NewPackage is a howto on installing new packages, so I guess that is in order
[13:18] <blindcoder> and RootOnLVM is something to be done during installation, so that should be given a second thought
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[13:21] <th> 13:17:06 < blindcoder> well, first, you don't "install" the bootdisk target, so I think that should be eliminated altogether
[13:21] <th> no
[13:21] <th> think about "ways of installing rocklinux"
[13:21] <th> i can install rocklinux by network
[13:21] <th> or by using the bootable cd rom with bootdisk target
[13:21] <th> or by using the rescue target
[13:21] <th> or by XYZ
[13:22] <th> it's not about installing the bootdisk target
[13:22] <th> "HowToInstall" is not precise about that
[13:22] <th> perhaps it should be "HowToInstallTheDistribution"
[13:23] <blindcoder> th: I get your point now
[13:23] <th> good
[13:24] <blindcoder> th: so, what about having these groups then:
[13:24] <blindcoder> HowToInstallTheDistribution
[13:24] <blindcoder> MaintaininganinstalledDistribution
[13:24] <blindcoder> meh
[13:24] <blindcoder> MaintainingAnInstalledDistribution
[13:24] <blindcoder> or HowToMaintain*
[13:25] <th> so you would put "InstallingAPackage" into "HowToMaintainAnInstalledDistribution"?
[13:25] <blindcoder> yes
[13:25] <blindcoder> because that's maintenance
[13:25] <th> is a maintenance section the section where you would first look if you want to know how to install a package?
[13:26] <blindcoder> probably not. alternatives?
[13:31] <blindcoder> th: I just tweaked a bit in the subwiki source
[13:31] <blindcoder> th: using [anytext] you can force anytext to be a wikiword
[13:32] <th> i'd say "Install" is the right word for both the distr. and the package
[13:32] <th> or...
[13:32] <th> a section called package management
[13:32] <th> then we should give a clear statement about that section in HowToInstall ("if you want to know how to install/remove/update a apckage go to PackageManagement)
[13:37] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:37] <blindcoder> 1. HowToInstall
[13:37] <blindcoder> 1.1 Distributions
[13:37] <blindcoder> 1.2 Packages
[13:37] <blindcoder> no
[13:37] <blindcoder> I guess PackageManagement would be fine
[13:41] <th> hmmm. dont know.
[13:42] <th> if 1.2 is PackageInstallation are we able to reuse this in PackageManagement section?
[13:44] <blindcoder> th: not at all, just a brain dump. Forget that I wrote it :)
[14:08] <blindcoder> okay, now why the fuck did thi glib23 build fail...
[14:08] <blindcoder> glibc23
[14:08] <blindcoder> it seems to have worked fine but still failed
[14:35] <blindcoder> cool
[14:35] <blindcoder> after Cleanup -nocheck and starting a new Build-Target it worked
[14:48] <netrunner> re
[14:49] <blindcoder> wb
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[15:25] <treo> moin :D
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[18:10] <esden> hi all
[18:20] <blindcoder> hi
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[18:23] <ojh> I have a quick build question, how can I specify the order that packages build? For example I need to have both Python and the pyrexc binding generator compile before dbus or the Python bindings do not build.
[18:23] <blindcoder> ojh: the [P] tag in the .desc file is responsible for that
[18:23] <blindcoder> the smaller the two numbers, the earlier it will be built
[18:24] <ojh> THX
[18:24] <blindcoder> so 100.000 will be built before 200.000
[18:24] <ojh> IC
[18:24] <blindcoder> we might have to think up a new system once we reach the one millionth package, though :)
[18:24] <ojh> :D
[18:27] <ojh> A far as my 0install project is concerned I have achieved running the latest GIMP along with latest GTK and other deps from my 0install repository. So far that is the most complex program I have buildt as 0installed.
[18:32] <ojh> Another question: the base build builds both kernel 2.4.X and 2.6.X will packages that must be compiled against the kernel (lazyfs, nvidia) be built for both kernels or do special steps need to be taken?
[18:34] <blindcoder> actually, it builds only 2.6 these days, no?
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[18:38] <esden> we have a new svd ... it looks sooooo sweeet!
[18:38] <esden> *hugs_it*
[18:38] <blindcoder> svd?
[18:39] <esden> yes ... the product we are developing here
[18:39] <blindcoder> ah
[18:39] <esden> with many new neat features ;)
[18:39] <blindcoder> does it blink?
[18:39] <blindcoder> does it have many buttons?
[18:39] <esden> yes it does
[18:39] <esden> it has 6 buttons
[18:39] <blindcoder> does... well... is it geeky, to make it short :)
[18:40] <blindcoder> bah, needs at least 4 more :D
[18:40] <esden> erm ... compared to thc it is not geeky ... because it has a purpose ;)
[18:40] <blindcoder> bah, stupid thing
[18:40] <blindcoder> noone needs something that blinks _and_ has a purpose
[18:40] <ojh> blindcoder: Where is the default specified in the Biuld process, I am build a custom set of ISOs and want to make sure that 2.6 is the default. (Yes a distribuation ;)  )
[18:41] <blindcoder> ojh: in the long list of package options there should be "Kernel options" quite at the beginning
[18:41] <esden> I think I will program breakout for svd ... so that it gets at least a bit of geekness ;)
[18:41] <blindcoder> esden: yeah, so the doctors have something to do while the patient is being examined :D
[18:41] <ojh> blindcoder: Do U have to be sure that it is set in both targets?
[18:42] <blindcoder> ojh: well, it's reset to its default value in a new configuration
[18:42] <blindcoder> you can also change the default in package/base/linux*/config*.in
[18:42] <blindcoder> (I think it's there)
[18:43] <ojh> blindcoder: :D Then it should just work on 2.0.3
[19:33] <blindcoder> wow, spammers can even look into the future
[19:33] <blindcoder> We are contacting you to remind you that on Jan. 14, 2005 our Account Review *bla*
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[23:16] <treo> gn8
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