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[08:08] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:19] <owl> hi
[10:45] <netrunner> hi owl
[10:47] <owl> hi netrunner 
[10:49] <netrunner> oh, moshammer is deadhttp://www.sueddeutsche.de/,tt1m2/muenchen/artikel/35/45989/
[10:56] <th> i guess daisy is the richest dog around now.
[11:02] <owl> how can a dog be rich? 
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[12:12] <blindcoder> moin
[12:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: you suck :)
[12:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: nope, finished :)
[12:13] Action: netrunner cursing the shaky camera handling
[12:13] <blindcoder> netrunner: you know, mucknert is on this network :)
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[12:15] <netrunner> is th in that video?
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[12:15] <blindcoder> yes
[12:16] <blindcoder> I still haven't got round to doing some subs due to lack of usable subbing guy
[12:16] <blindcoder> ohm
[12:16] <blindcoder> ehm
[12:16] <blindcoder> gui
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[12:22] <owl> bye, bye. wish me luck that my hamster will survive ...
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[14:29] <owl> re
[14:30] <blindcoder> hamster is (dead|alive)?
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[14:39] <owl> alive, but extremely ill :(
[14:39] <owl> 'eitrige mittelohrentzuendung'
[14:39] <blindcoder> ouch
[14:39] <owl> btw, mephisto ate the doc
[14:39] <owl> ack.
[14:41] <blindcoder> an guadn :)
[14:41] <owl> *gg* ack
[14:41] <blindcoder> as long as Daisy didn't eat Rudi :)
[14:41] <owl> *lol* the 2nd person saying this, today :p
[14:45] <owl> woh.. i'm going to catch something eatable... 'breakfast' after 5 hours of being awake. *sigh*
[14:52] <blindcoder> I got up at 06:30
[14:53] <blindcoder> got my first something to eat at 12:00
[14:53] <blindcoder> so?
[15:03] <owl> O_o 
[15:07] <blindcoder> hm?
[15:12] <owl> hwy not eating..?
[15:13] <blindcoder> oh, I was eating
[15:13] <blindcoder> at 12
[15:13] <blindcoder> I wasn't hungry before that
[15:15] <owl> ic.
[15:15] <owl> well. i was hungy when i tried tosleep. -> about 12 hours before...
[15:16] <blindcoder> then why didn't you eat then?
[15:18] <owl> cuz i had no time. 
[15:19] <blindcoder> you have no time to eat when you go to sleep?
[15:19] <blindcoder> hah? how do you manage that?
[15:24] <owl> when i go to sleep i'm normally not eating. cuz i will become more fat than before and so, then... 
[15:24] <owl> and: 10:00 - 15:00 i had no time...
[15:25] <blindcoder> depends on what you eat
[15:25] <blindcoder> you can always eat one or two apples, oranges, bananas, ad ridiculum
[15:25] <blindcoder> ehm, infinitum :)
[15:27] <owl> hm. k. 
[15:27] <blindcoder> and also:
[15:28] <blindcoder> if you gain weight from the stuff you eat in the evening then there was already something wrong with what you ate all day
[15:28] <blindcoder> and last:
[15:28] <blindcoder> the mirror is telling the truth, not the scale
[15:44] <owl> hm.
[15:53] <owl> well. the mirror tells me 'owl, you're at least 30 kg to fat'
[15:54] <mnemoc> mirrors are liers ;)
[15:55] <owl> nah. 
[15:55] <blindcoder> owl: so, how much sports do you do where _you_ move and not some animal?
[15:55] <blindcoder> btw, 30 kilos are a _lot_
[15:56] <blindcoder> and last time I saw you I'd have guessed on a max of 10
[15:57] <owl> aehm. daily: one hour. (gymnastik and sometimes cross-trainer)
[15:57] <owl> hm. i want up to 30 kg.
[15:57] <blindcoder> then you're probably going to die
[15:58] <owl> nope. surely not. 
[15:58] <blindcoder> gymnastik? at a gym?
[15:58] <owl> nah. 
[15:58] <blindcoder> well, you don't want to believe me so I'm not trying to convince you
[15:58] <blindcoder> where do you do sports then?
[15:58] <owl> 'physioband', 'gymnastikball', 'bycicle', 'crosstrainer'
[15:58] <owl> at home. we have here some stuff ... 
[15:59] <owl> well... my weight will be > 50 kg still, then
[15:59] <blindcoder> you allow me to laugh, yes?
[15:59] <owl> nope. why?
[15:59] <blindcoder> I know from first hand experience that two things happen when you do sport at home:
[15:59] <blindcoder> 1) you do it wrong.
[15:59] <blindcoder> 2) you don't do it for a long period of time (at most a few months, less than half a year)
[16:00] <owl> 1) well. my body says 'no'. i've lost about 3 kg last week ... 
[16:00] <blindcoder> 3 kilo a week? that's not healthy
[16:00] <fake> phew
[16:00] <fake> i want that too
[16:00] <blindcoder> fake: you're only a skeleton anyway :P
[16:00] <owl> 2) dunno. i know that i will do horse-back-riding asap, when my "ruecken" is good again... 
[16:01] <owl> how much to loose then/week?
[16:01] <owl> fake: hi, and: *kick*
[16:01] <blindcoder> half a kilo is a good rule of thumb
[16:01] <owl> aehm. yeah. problem: i often don't have 'appettite' 
[16:02] <blindcoder> but you're complaining about hunger, that doesn't really mix
[16:02] <blindcoder> if you have no appetite you also have no hunger
[16:02] <owl> -->  there are days i'm forcing me to eat 2 'toasts'
[16:02] <blindcoder> with the possible exception of being ill
[16:03] <owl> i have hunger. at least 'magen' say so
[16:03] <blindcoder> then I don't understand how you can be overweght
[16:03] <owl> well. i took mostly of the last two years psychopharmaka... and the weight increased... 25 kg/2 years
[16:03] <fake> owl: hi! ;-)
[16:04] <fake> blindcoder: i am a well-equipped skeletton by now
[16:04] <blindcoder> fake: so you've grown an ass? *flee
[16:04] <blindcoder> *
[16:04] <owl> (2 year? 3 years should fit better...)
[16:06] <owl> anyway. i'm off now. going to have a shower and giving food to my budgie
[16:06] <owl> bye
[16:06] <blindcoder> bye
[16:07] <fake> blindcoder: i grew a belt
[16:08] <fake> but now that i left mommies kitchen again i think this will handle itself ;)
[16:08] <daja77> uhm bootdisk creates no isofs.txt 
[16:08] <blindcoder> fake: well, here it didn't :( even after almost half a year
[16:09] <blindcoder> HAHAHA
[16:09] <blindcoder> finally my CocktailBar to MemoPad export works :D
[16:09] <fake> daja77: o_O
[16:10] <fake> blindcoder: then just give out all your money for cool hardware, so there's nothing left for food ;0(
[16:10] <fake> ;-)
[16:10] <daja77> fake: yeah strange, rerunning buil-target had no effect
[16:10] <blindcoder> fake: nah, I like eating too much for that
[16:11] <fake> daja77: i'll fix the iproute2 and kiss problem with 2.6.10 on the weekend
[16:12] <fake> daja77: i'll see if i stumble over it
[16:12] <daja77> k.
[16:19] <SMP> oh. hmm
[16:19] <SMP> where does current trunk have db_185.h?
[16:19] <SMP> in /usr/include or only in subdirectories thereof?
[16:40] <fake> SMP: wait...
[16:40] <fake> SMP: in /usr/include
[16:51] <SMP> is that bdb33, bdb40, bdb41 or bdb42?
[16:52] <fake> bdb41
[16:52] <fake> the others are in /usr/include/db<version>/
[16:52] <SMP> ok, thanks
[16:57] <owl> re
[17:01] <fake> re owl
[17:01] <owl> thx.
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[17:04] <SMP> what's the current problems with iproute2?
[17:04] <fake> it's linux 2.6.10 related, kernel header
[17:05] <SMP> do we have an .err available?
[17:05] <fake> __le64 doesn't get defined because a preprocessor macro disables it, but a few lines later the same preprocessor macro enables 2 functions in little_endian.h
[17:06] <fake> SMP: i can mail it
[17:06] <fake> it may very well be a dietlibc thing, thouch
[17:06] <fake> *though
[17:06] <SMP> stefanp-exp-1105805183.a68568@cabal11.net please, thanks
[17:06] <fake> it tests for GNU_SOURCE and not STRICT_ANSI or so
[17:08] <th> cabal11?
[17:08] <SMP> ehm
[17:08] <SMP> make that cabal1
[17:09] Action: SMP needs a dummy-mode-can't-type mode for tmda-address
[17:12] <fake> SMP: dont curse it's lotus notes
[17:13] <SMP> cool, I need a Notes to run it on one of my Windows virtual machines ;->
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[17:18] <fake> ls
[17:18] <fake> damn
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[17:19] <owl> re
[17:22] <fake> SMP: did you get it with the attachment in place and all?
[17:22] Action: fake very sceptical about this ibm junk
[17:30] <netrunner> SMP: I have .err's at andreas.anvame.net/content/download ...
[17:30] <netrunner> (http)
[17:32] <netrunner> http://www.vosat.de/moshammer.jpg strange humor.
[17:37] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:40] <mnemoc> translation?
[17:41] <blindcoder> Had I known I'd have bought one
[17:41] <netrunner> mnemoc: he was murdered this morning with a telephone cable
[17:41] <blindcoder> the guy was murdered last night
[17:41] <mnemoc> oh
[17:41] <fake> moshammer was murdered? really?
[17:41] <netrunner> mnemoc: this says, wireless is more secure
[17:41] <netrunner> fake: jup.
[17:41] <fake> by whom?
[17:42] <netrunner> fake: that's the question :)
[17:42] <mnemoc> who was moshammer?
[17:42] <netrunner> mnemoc: he's (been) a very famous person in munich. fashion designer, gay, rich ...
[17:42] <blindcoder> mnemoc: a Munich-based clothes maker
[17:42] <blindcoder> and always with a cute dog called Daisy :)
[17:43] <netrunner> mnemoc: and has a dog http://www.daisymoshammer.de/
[17:43] <fake> cute? stinking little rat
[17:43] <netrunner> as he has no relatives this might now be the richest do gin the world
[17:44] <mnemoc> the money goes to the rat?
[17:48] <blindcoder> no idea, not familiar with that laws
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[18:24] <fake> hm, how can i identify a simple 
[18:24] <fake> argh
[18:24] <fake> ^M 
[18:24] <fake> in unicode?
[18:24] <mnemoc> \r ?
[18:25] <mnemoc> isn't it traslated acordingly?
[18:26] <fake> interestingly, java doesn't think so...
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[20:09] <treo> sali
[20:59] <daja77> re
[20:59] <daja77> fake: ?
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[21:57] <daja77> *grml*
[21:58] <owl> grml?
[21:59] <daja77> bootdisk is giving me a headache
[22:00] <owl> hm. ok. enjoy it. :/
[22:11] <mnemoc_> bootdisk _sucks_
[22:11] <daja77> ACK
[22:12] <daja77> even with the updated iproute it doesn't work
[22:14] <daja77> mnemoc_: but the src of trouble is linux26 headers >_<
[22:14] <mnemoc_> kiss is unusable
[22:15] <daja77> kiss is failing ...
[22:15] <mnemoc_> udhcp could be nice to have there
[22:15] <mnemoc_> or even dhcpcd
[22:15] <daja77> add it 
[22:15] <mnemoc_> no time :p
[22:15] <mnemoc_> yet
[22:15] <SMP> daja77: what version did you update iproute2 to?
[22:16] <mnemoc_> i'm trying to make uclibc work, and i'll write my own boot target
[22:17] <daja77> 2.6.10-ss050112
[22:17] <SMP> hmm, I was working on that, too
[22:18] <daja77> like to see a log?
[22:18] <mnemoc_> daja77: i use bg-rescue as stage-1 currently
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[22:25] <blindcoder> okay, that's that for today
[22:26] <blindcoder> anyone knows how to set up a static route to a single host using stone?
[22:26] <blindcoder> route add -host gw
[22:26] <th> i even don't know how to setup simple dhcp client with stone ;)
[22:26] <blindcoder> oh, I can do _that_
[22:26] <blindcoder> interface wlan0(default)
[22:26] <blindcoder>         dhcp
[22:26] <blindcoder> done :-)
[22:27] <th> you can't enter that in stone
[22:27] <blindcoder> ehm, yes, you can
[22:27] <daja77> now isofs.txt is created since i desabled kiss for initrd
[22:27] <daja77> No such file or directory: build/bootdisk-2.1.0-DEV-x86-bootdisk-expert/ROCK/bootdisk/isofs/
[22:27] <daja77> is coming from Create-ISO
[22:28] <blindcoder> interface eth0(meep)
[22:28] <blindcoder>         dhcp
[22:28] <blindcoder> just added via stone
[22:28] <blindcoder> th: btw, regarding 2.0.4: does the bootdisk kernel support sata?
[22:29] <th> i don't know.
[22:29] <blindcoder> just lost a potential promising user because the 2.0.3 doesn't :(
[22:29] <th> blindcoder: tell him how to use the rescue target.
[22:29] <blindcoder> th: I even don't know how to use that
[22:30] <th> blindcoder: you should know how to create a bootable iso since our last discussion
[22:30] <th> mkisofs.sh -C kernel initrd system
[22:30] <blindcoder> th: yes, something with building a kernel manually and creating an initrd and...
[22:30] <th> initrd and system are built in rescue target
[22:30] <th> and you know how to build a kernel
[22:30] <blindcoder> that's nothing I can hand to a new user!
[22:30] <th> so hand him the rescue iso!
[22:31] <blindcoder> not if he wants me to explain to him so he understands
[22:31] <th> it's official
[22:31] <th> he also wants you to explain the bootdisk target?
[22:31] <blindcoder> he wants to know how to install via it, so I said: boot, type stone, partition your hd, enter, enter, enter, enter
[22:32] <th> does he know linux?
[22:32] <blindcoder> he doesn't _want_ to start cfdisk manually, use mine manually etc.
[22:32] <blindcoder> he knows Solaris
[22:32] <th> ok.
[22:32] <blindcoder> (and neither do I want to)
[22:32] <th> so let's rewrite bootdisk target.
[22:32] <blindcoder> well, last time I tried it worked *shrug*
[22:36] <blindcoder> we had the discussion about bootdisk at the bof and came to the conclusion that it doesn't need to be rewritten
[22:37] <th> did i miss that?
[22:37] <blindcoder> seems so :)
[22:37] <daja77> that wasn't about bootdisk iirc
[22:37] <mnemoc_> blindcoder: subtitles?
[22:38] <blindcoder> mnemoc_: I'm still searching for an app that is usable in that regard
[22:38] <mnemoc_> :(
[22:38] <blindcoder> mnemoc_: but as it stands now I guess I'll fire up win---s and use virtualdub
[22:38] <mnemoc_> :D
[22:38] <mnemoc_> wine? ;)
[22:39] <blindcoder> daja77: yes it was. after that esden was ordered to document bootdisk
[22:39] <blindcoder> mnemoc_: works, more or less.
[22:39] <mnemoc_> more than bootdisk i hope
[22:39] <mnemoc_> :)
[22:39] <blindcoder> heh
[22:40] <th> blindcoder: as always: you are welcome to put a better kernel into bootdisk target
[22:40] <th> i'd prefer a 2.6 one.
[22:40] <blindcoder> 2.4 or 2.6?
[22:40] <blindcoder> okay :)
[22:40] <blindcoder> I'm already using that one for next LVP release
[22:40] <th> based on stable?
[22:40] <blindcoder> trunk
[22:41] <th> so why not put some effort in backporting bootdisk changes?
[22:41] <blindcoder> but shouldn't be much hassle to backport
[22:41] <blindcoder> the kernel versions are the same in trunk and stable, no?
[22:41] <th> stable has 2.4 as default
[22:42] <esden> I have to document installation process ... not really the bootdisk ... I have to say I do not really have a clue what to describe exactly ... I have to document what happens behind the scenes ... not in the frontend ... at least I understood that so
[22:43] <blindcoder> ack
[22:43] <esden> the installation is so straight forward that I really do not understand what the man you are talking about has a problem with
[22:43] <esden> installing solaris is more a problem then rock ... you have to do lots of things afterwords in text files to get a working solaris
[22:44] <blindcoder> esden: what happens where, how to extend it, what to look out for
[22:44] <esden> urgh
[22:44] <blindcoder> good for roughly 5k to 10k words
[22:44] <esden> 20k I would guess ... ... that is work for a diploma ... ;)
[22:45] <blindcoder> hehe :)
[22:45] <blindcoder> esden: Take an example on the BuildingDistributions page
[22:45] <esden> ack
[22:46] <blindcoder> though that's written for users
[22:50] <blindcoder> okay, finally got a in.fingerd again running :)
[22:50] <blindcoder> "finger me for my public key" :-)
[22:52] <blindcoder> okay, I'm off
[22:52] <blindcoder> bye
[22:53] <owl> bye blindcoder 
[22:55] <mnemoc_> how can i get the tbz2 inside a gem?
[22:56] <mnemoc_> aha, mine.static is part of rock-src....
[22:56] <SMP> mine -k pkg_tarbz2
[22:58] <mnemoc_> thanks
[22:59] <mnemoc_> OT: what 00000000 means on ldd?
[22:59] <SMP> huh?
[22:59] <mnemoc_> # ldd /lib/libm.so.0
[22:59] <mnemoc_>         libc.so.0 => /lib/libc.so.0 (0x00000000)
[22:59] <mnemoc_>         /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 => /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0 (0x00000000)
[23:05] <mnemoc_> SMP: how mine -k suppose to convert a .gem to a .tbz2?
[23:05] <daja77> SMP: does that update work for you?
[23:06] <SMP> mnemoc_: eh? your question was how to extract the tar.bz2 from the gem
[23:07] <mnemoc_> YES
[23:07] <mnemoc_> yes*
[23:07] <SMP> argh. I'm confused
[23:08] <mnemoc_>  mine -k kiss-0.21.gem <--- syntax error
[23:08] <mnemoc_>  mine -k kiss-0.21.tar.bz2 <--- syntax error
[23:08] <SMP> argh. you confused, too ;>
[23:08] <mnemoc_>  mine -k kiss-0.21.{gem,tar.bz2} <--- syntax error
[23:08] <mnemoc_> yep
[23:08] Action: mnemoc_ confused :p
[23:08] <SMP> mine -k pkg_tarbz2 kill*.gem > kiss.tar.bz2
[23:08] <mnemoc_> īD
[23:08] <mnemoc_> :D
[23:09] <mnemoc_> pkg_tarbz2 is a command :p
[23:09] <mnemoc_> worked, thanks ;)
[23:11] <SMP> daja77: yes, fine. I'm ready to upload the patch to SM
[23:11] <daja77> that would be nice
[23:20] <SMP> it's up
[23:24] <SMP> daja77: I didn't test this with diet, but as far as I can tell from the .err this is not an error in iproute2 code
[23:24] <daja77> I'd blame the kernel headers, but I am testing once more
[23:27] <daja77> hm non applying patches atm
[23:27] <daja77> you removed that from dietlibc too?
[23:28] <SMP> huh?
[23:28] <SMP> ah, damn it
[23:33] <daja77> it is save to just remove it?
[23:33] <SMP> aparently not
[23:34] <daja77> ic
[23:34] <SMP> piece of crap ...
[23:36] <SMP> #if defined(__KERNEL__) || (defined (__GLIBC__) && __GLIBC__ >= 2)
[23:37] <SMP> that's exactly the kind of code I want to see in the kernel
[23:37] <SMP> NOT!
[23:37] <daja77> >_<
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[23:58] <treo> gn8
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