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[10:23] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:47] <treo> moin
[10:48] <blindcoder> moin treo 
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[15:17] <owl> moin
[15:21] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[15:22] <owl> hi blindcoder. how are you?
[15:22] <blindcoder> fine thanks
[15:22] <blindcoder> just wrote a bruteforce script for my bintec router
[15:22] <blindcoder> because I forgot my admin password
[15:22] <blindcoder> and _just_ as the script was done I remembered the pass :)
[15:23] <owl> *lol* congrats :p
[15:23] <blindcoder> thanks :)
[15:23] <owl> de nada
[15:24] <blindcoder> guess I'll keep the script for reference
[15:24] <owl> shit. damn. crap.!!! why is there no day when hamsters are not biting me? O_O
[15:24] <owl> hm.k. if it makes you happy :p
[15:27] <blindcoder> yes, for the next time I forget it
[15:31] <owl> *g* you're really getting old, blindy :p
[15:38] <blindcoder> thanks :(
[15:39] <owl> hehe. you're always welcome *vbeg*
[15:39] <owl> btw, my hamster is getting well, again :))) she's eating, drinking & running
[15:45] <blindcoder> good :)
[15:46] <owl> jap :)
[15:46] <owl> might she will be an very old hamster :P *hoping*
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[16:20] <owl> gnarf. is it possible to use a usb-stick with non-devfs? O_o
[16:21] <th> sure
[16:21] <th> possibility to use your usb-stick is not related to usage of devfs
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[16:57] <blindcoder> WEE
[16:57] <blindcoder> LVP built with Linux 2.6.9 and xorg
[16:57] <blindcoder> now if it only works...
[16:58] <blindcoder> no, of course not :(
[16:58] <blindcoder> Xorg is linked dynamically
[17:33] <owl> yeah... but - why don't have i a device then?
[17:39] <blindcoder> normal /dev has all devices, no?
[17:49] <owl> yes... looks so...
[17:49] <owl> except  /dev/sda{...}
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[19:04] <th> owl: if a device is missing. just create it.
[19:04] <th> owl: man mknod
[19:04] <th> owl: sda1 starts with 8,1
[19:05] <owl> arghs. ok. thx. 
[19:09] <netrunner> re
[19:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: I changed the expiration, but it only changed it for the 'pub' part, not for the 'sub' part of the key that contains my names ...
[19:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: do you know what I did wrong?
[19:10] <blindcoder> netrunner: actually, I create a new key every november
[19:11] <blindcoder> IIRC you can't change the expiration date for sub keys
[19:11] <netrunner> blindcoder: there is the expire command to change the expiration date ...
[19:11] <blindcoder> (but I may be wrong)
[19:12] <blindcoder> but that's not really good, you know
[19:12] <blindcoder> if a keys expires you shouldn't just unexpire it
[19:12] <blindcoder> those things exist for a reason
[19:15] <netrunner> hm. so I have to create a new key...
[19:18] <blindcoder> yes
[19:18] <netrunner> apparently nobody checks my sigs anyway :)
[19:19] <blindcoder> I think people do
[19:19] <blindcoder> last time my key expired and I accidentally continued to use it I got a mail from someone pointing me to it no more than three days after expiry
[19:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: nobody has notified me yet ... only because I introduced natalia to gpg and wanted to send myself an encrypted mail I noticed :)
[19:20] <blindcoder> hmm
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[19:21] <blindcoder> I have "Good signature" in your last mail
[19:23] <netrunner> blindcoder: weird. 
[19:24] <netrunner> blindcoder: shouldn't it complain because the key used to sign expired?
[19:24] <blindcoder> probably
[19:25] <blindcoder> gpg: Signature made Mon Dec 27 16:52:14 2004 CET using DSA key ID 18BD3D2E                                                                                                                 
[19:25] <blindcoder> that's not the key I found from you
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[19:25] <blindcoder> hm
[19:25] <blindcoder> OTOH
[19:25] <blindcoder> I'm on another machine
[19:25] <blindcoder> just a moment
[19:26] <KixX|lappy> small question : how about amd64 support in rock ? and is there a package managing system?
[19:26] <netrunner> KixX|lappy: amd64 is actively worked on (I see patches floating by)
[19:27] <netrunner> KixX|lappy: what do you mean with package maintaining? there is a tool to install them and remove them and so on
[19:27] <KixX|lappy> ah okay
[19:30] <blindcoder> hmm
[19:31] <blindcoder> okay, same problem here
[19:33] <fake> KixX|lappy: i am working on amd64 (x86_64) 
[19:33] <KixX|lappy> fake, thats good
[19:34] <KixX|lappy> what would be the best way to install rock on such a machine ?=
[19:34] <KixX|lappy> any hints ?
[19:34] <fake> KixX|lappy: it's working fine, expect binary ISOs in a few weeks
[19:34] <KixX|lappy> if i dont wanna wait
[19:34] <KixX|lappy> can i use development buildkit
[19:34] <KixX|lappy> and build an iso myself ?
[19:34] <fake> KixX|lappy: bootstrap from x86_32, the only flaw is you need to add one line to gcc-options
[19:35] <fake> and adjust a few more packages
[19:35] <fake> i hope to get the relevant patches into trunk sometime next week
[19:35] <KixX|lappy> tell me more
[19:35] <KixX|lappy> i install rock on my existing debian amd64 installation
[19:35] <KixX|lappy> then run the config
[19:35] <KixX|lappy> according to handbook
[19:36] <fake> practically, the only thing missing is a detection wether to force a package to build with -fPIC or not, depending on wether it creates shared libraries or not.
[19:36] <fake> for my test builds i enabled -fPIC globally, and disabled it where problems arose.
[19:36] <fake> the 'this packages creates shared libraries' information will most likely be added to the .cache files
[19:37] <KixX|lappy> when will those problems come up ?
[19:37] <KixX|lappy> during building the distribution?
[19:37] <fake> partly.
[19:37] <KixX|lappy> dangit
[19:37] <fake> alsa-driver will fail, as any other kernel module package will.
[19:38] <fake> xorg / xfree will compile, but won't work
[19:39] <fake> just be patient for another week. there's pretty much stuff i need to get done personally right now, i just moved and have a new job. once those woes settle, perfect x86_64 support is top on my list.
[19:39] <KixX|lappy> :)
[19:40] <KixX|lappy> unfortunately i cant leave the computer without OS for one more week
[19:40] <netrunner> blindcoder: what I read from the docs the main key is dsa and used for signing while the subkey is elgamal and used for decryption. I only managed to change the main key expiration date...
[19:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: for some years now I've been using a quite good way of key-management:
[19:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: one master key that does not expire and is only used for signing
[19:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: and a yearly key that expires next 1st November that is used for day-by-day use
[19:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: the main key is then used to sign the yearly key
[19:42] <fake> KixX|lappy: use a 32 bit system until then?
[19:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: the main key is used on key-signing "parties" then
[19:43] <netrunner> blindcoder: yeah, found that on http://fortytwo.ch/gpg/subkeys
[19:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: so it is ensured that I have always a trustworthy key without having a single key that might get compromised
[19:44] <blindcoder> I got the idea after I lost my first private key :)
[19:44] <netrunner> blindcoder: I know my private key was never compromised :)
[19:44] <netrunner> blindcoder: I sent an updated key for now, I have 1 year to think about that :)
[19:45] <blindcoder> netrunner: way too long, you'll only think about it one day before expiration :)
[19:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: jep :)
[19:52] <blindcoder> fake: btw, did cliffords build-machine get pwned?
[19:53] <netrunner> http://www.techtales.com/tftechs.html
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[19:55] <blindcoder> that first one hurts
[19:56] <fake> blindcoder: did it what?
[19:56] <blindcoder> fake: what I really wanted to know is the current state of reference builds for patch application :-)
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[20:00] <fake> blindcoder: the machine is fine, but we aren't - we had a lot of stuff to do last week. clifford will start a reference build tomorrow.
[20:00] <fake> (on a faster machine, so results will take only 2 days)
[20:01] <blindcoder> sweet
[20:01] <blindcoder> btw, when do you expect to unpackage the last box from your move?
[20:01] <blindcoder> I need a place to visit in summer to get around having to visit someone in finland together with snyke
[20:02] <fake> blindcoder: we will move again sometime between february and april, if all goes well
[20:02] <fake> into a flat *designed* for two people or more
[20:02] <blindcoder> heh, I know how that feels :)
[20:03] <blindcoder> being cramped into a shoe-box with a bed and a table :)
[20:06] <fake> i wouldn't call it a table, i don't have a bed, and my chair is a camping chair
[20:07] <blindcoder> ouch
[20:07] <blindcoder> guess I've been living in blatant luxury then :)
[20:07] <blindcoder> thinking about how I even had a kitchen and my own TV :D
[20:07] <fake> the 'table' my monitor is on is constructed of 2 plastic cupboards and 2 wood plates
[20:08] <fake> and a few books to raise the level
[20:08] <blindcoder> brb, have to laugh my ass off
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[20:09] <Mike_Ham> hello
[20:09] <blindcoder> okay, I'm back
[20:09] <blindcoder> hi Mike_Ham 
[20:10] <Mike_Ham> hi
[20:10] <blindcoder> fake: so I take it you won't unpack the last box within the year, no?
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[20:11] <blindcoder> people are getting strange ideas around here...
[20:12] <netrunner> hm. when I have my bachelor, I am graduate, no?
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[20:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: it's boring to study in an english country.
[20:13] <blindcoder> no idea
[20:14] <blindcoder> I find it boring to study at all
[20:14] <blindcoder> okay, how can I build xorg without freetype
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[20:22] <tcr> netrunner, FWIW, studying in one of the eastern country is considered and acknowledged as Good nowdays (speaking about quality of resumes etc)
[20:23] <tcr> Having studied in America is standard, unless it's been one of the more prominent universities :)
[20:25] <netrunner> tcr: I listened to a local radio station campus program today. they said as certain eastern europe countries become member of the eu in 2007, it will be welcomed by western companies to have studied there.
[20:26] <netrunner> and as I currently learn romanian I chose romania (modlova is not an option sadly ;)
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[20:27] <tcr> I read about that companies in the ballbark of siemens look for people who have been in different foreign countries than USA, especially who have been in one of russia, japan or china for example.
[20:27] <tcr> Because there, it's supposed to be the New Market, you know..
[20:28] <blindcoder> if you really think about a job at siemens today you must be insane
[20:29] <netrunner> blindcoder: why? think they kick the good people? :)
[20:30] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, they kick the people who can't run fast enough
[20:30] <blindcoder> netrunner: been to Siemenswerke recently?
[20:31] <tcr> I dunno if it really was siemens. Doesn't matter to what I said anyway.
[20:31] <blindcoder> netrunner: looks more like a company on the edge of bankrupcy than a company with a record year
[20:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: trees that have their roots only flat on the surface tend to fall :)
[20:45] <netrunner> tcr: that's the reason why I want to do it :)
[20:45] <blindcoder> netrunner: haeh?
[20:52] <netrunner> blindcoder: if you know the right people, the probability of getting fired is variable :)
[20:52] <blindcoder> okay, that's true
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[21:04] <esden> hehe ... owl is probably tasting like nuts ... that is probably the reason why their hamsters are biting her ... or she is a naughty girl ;)
[21:05] <blindcoder> naughty? owl? naaa
[21:06] <owl> esden: *kick*
[21:06] <netrunner> esden: you tasted owl?
[21:07] <netrunner> esden: [X] send pix
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[21:07] <owl> my hamster bite me, because i have to insert 'salbe' into her ear... (and the other hamster often bites)
[21:08] <netrunner> owl: two options. a) you like it, continue. b) you don't like it - play hamster-in-microwave game 
[21:08] <netrunner> is erasmus and sokrates the same program?
[21:09] <owl> netrunner: *kick* *kick* *kick*
[21:09] <esden> lol ... erm ... netrunner ... 
[21:09] <esden> not that I know of ... but that is only a guess
[21:09] <esden> lol ... owl is putting stuff in the ear of her hamster ... that sounds pretty naughty ...
[21:10] <owl> she has an 'eitrige mittelohrentzuendung'... 
[21:11] <esden> ohh ... that is nasty ... yuck ... and then putting stuff into the ear ... you are ill owl ;)
[21:11] <owl> (and the chance that i will have to bring her to doc and kill her, was high - yesterday... )
[21:11] <esden> that you like to do such stuff ... tztztz
[21:11] <owl> liking? are you a bit insane? or a bit more?
[21:11] <esden> ohh ... ok ... that is not funny
[21:12] <esden> I ... sure I am insane
[21:12] <esden> and I am proud of it ;)
[21:12] <owl> yeah. exactly. she didn't eat, didn't drink. didn't run... the last 2 or 3 days... i had to feed her manually...
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[22:30] <treo> gn8 schlaft gut ^^
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