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[08:09] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:29] <SerWou> morning guys
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[09:55] <blindcoder> hmm
[09:55] <blindcoder> should I install the machine with a Pentium3 optimised build or should I just stick to the Pentium-MMX one?
[09:57] Action: netrunner had bad experience with p4 opt, but p3 was fine iirc
[09:58] <blindcoder> yes, P4 is probably "experimental" :-)
[09:58] <blindcoder> the machine is a dual P3-Celeron anyway
[10:51] <fake> moin
[10:52] <blindcoder> moin moin
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[13:21] <fake> na, fit?
[13:21] <fake> arghl
[13:21] <daja77> hi fake
[13:22] <fake> hi daja77 
[13:22] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[13:22] <daja77> moin blindy
[14:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: [ ] use loop-aes
[14:11] <netrunner> blindcoder: what's that for? I mean if I have loop-aes in my pkgconfig, I want it. otherwise not.
[14:19] <blindcoder> netrunner: so that people know it's there :)
[14:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: that makes the configure script unneccessary slow and the list of optioins unneccesarry long.
[14:20] <netrunner> blindcoder if wedo that for every pkg we have a list of >1k options there.
[14:21] <blindcoder> I seem to recall clifford volunteering (a long time ago) that he redoes the config thing in C
[14:38] <netrunner> blindcoder: that's not my point.
[14:41] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, while you're at it: please deactivate the printer system selection and mta selection when it's not necessary
[14:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: the problem is that the config system needs an overhaul
[14:42] <blindcoder> there are just too many things and not enough speeds
[14:42] <blindcoder> that doesn't boil down to loop-aes being the problem
[14:45] <netrunner> blindcoder: printing system selection is neccessary as you can have multiple installed and use one for the default links. same with mta.
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[14:50] <blindcoder> netrunner: well, I have none installed so it only slows down the configuration process
[14:50] <blindcoder> and I said "when it's not necessary" not "because it's unnecessary"
[14:55] <netrunner> that would be a feature I'd vote pro on :)
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[16:25] <owl> moin
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[16:35] <owl> urghs. another poor person who went to a doc... :(
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[18:01] <owl> hi
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[18:30] Action: fake - server reinstall. cya soon (i hope)
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[18:31] <blindcoder>  hope is futile :P
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[19:00] <fake> ha. am i quick or what?
[19:00] <owl> wb fake 
[19:00] <blindcoder> must have been cheating :P
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[20:27] <owl> aehm. is there another package manager than mine which eats tar.bz2?
[20:27] <fake> bize
[20:28] <owl> bize?
[20:29] <owl> where to find it?
[20:31] <owl> ah. found it. hm. and something not rock-related?
[20:32] <daja77> tar ...
[20:33] <owl> aehm. package-manager... like in 'installpkg'
[20:34] <blindcoder> owl: so, you want a non-rock related package manager to install rock packages?
[20:35] <owl> blindcoder: no, i won't install rock-packages... 
[20:35] <blindcoder> owl: maybe we can better help you if you actually tell us what you want to do
[20:36] <th> owl: so you need something that "eats" tar.bz2's?
[20:36] <blindcoder> th: /dev/null might help :)
[20:36] <th> blindcoder: that was my thought.
[20:36] <owl> th: yeah. eating like in installing it... better
[20:36] <blindcoder> owl: _what_ do you want to install?
[20:37] <owl> blindcoder: generated  tar bz22 files... or so... 
[20:37] <blindcoder> owl: this might help you: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[20:37] <blindcoder> owl: so, to my _guesswork_ you want to create .tar.bz2 files from installed packages?
[20:38] <th> owl: where are the tar.bz2's from?
[20:38] <owl> nope. i want to use rock - no, not exactly -rock - tfor creating t.bz2 instead of gem...  and i need something whic installes the files... 
[20:39] <owl> (instead of mien)
[20:39] <owl> mine
[20:39] <blindcoder> ah, new _guess_: you have a source tar.bz2 and want to create a binary tar.bz2 from it?
[20:39] <owl> blindcoder: nah. binary.
[20:39] <blindcoder> that's what I said, binary
[20:39] <th> owl: you can just use tar for it!
[20:40] <blindcoder> th: well, I _think_ she wants something like mkpkg and then use mine to create a binary tar.bz2
[20:40] <owl> th: hmm. it just doesnt have a nice interface... so - >no ... 
[20:40] <blindcoder> but I'd prefer her to ask questions that actually make sense and point to what she actually wants
[20:40] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[20:40] <th> owl: and mine has a nice interface?
[20:40] <blindcoder> okay, I'm out of this "discussion"
[20:41] <owl> th: it's better for a installing system than tar... 
[20:41] <th> owl: how about creating an alias: alias xyz="tar xfvIsp"
[20:41] <th> owl: then you can just do "xyz myPackage.tar.bz2"
[20:42] <owl> well. no...  not really...
[20:42] <th> why not?
[20:43] <owl> too simple and so... 
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[20:43] <fake> owl wants it complicated.
[20:43] <th> owl: what's bad with being simple?
[20:44] <owl> th: simple != userfriendly
[20:44] <blindcoder> "it doesn't have a nice interface" "it's too simple" what on earth do you want?
[20:44] <owl> blindcoder: ... 
[20:45] <th> owl: how can something be userfriendly if it's not simple?
[20:45] <th> owl: complicated stuff is not userfriendly
[20:45] <owl> th: well. do you want your e.g. grandma to type in something like 'xyz' into a console? 
[20:46] <th> owl: you were searching for something like "mine" so. "xyz" would be even easier.
[20:46] <owl> th: 'install -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' is  is userfriendly imho. not  cd  blahblah.. and stuff.. 
[20:47] <fake> mine -i -R /home/owl/blubb blubb.tbz2 - wtf ??
[20:47] <owl> fake: i don't want to use mine... 
[20:47] <owl> orsomething rock-dependent
[20:47] <fake> because ?
[20:47] <owl> because i 'm not willed to fork everything
[20:48] <fake> well then copy the mine sources and rename them, claim them and you're set
[20:48] <fake> why fork?
[20:48] <fake> just use it!
[20:48] <th> owl: so whats your problem with `xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2'?
[20:48] <owl> then i'm still dependent on rock-development... 
[20:48] <th> not if you copy it!
[20:48] <owl> th: see above
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[20:48] <owl> hmm. 
[20:48] <th> owl: "< owl> th: 'install -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' is  is userfriendly imho."
[20:48] <th> very fine.
[20:49] <th> so 'xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2' should be too.
[20:49] <owl> aeh. yeah, is more userfriendly... 
[20:49] <th> i don't see why you think you need to do "cd  blahblah.. and stuff.."
[20:49] <owl> to install it...
[20:50] <th> you don't need to cd anywhere to install packages.
[20:51] <th> not with "mine" and not with the some alias that wrappes tar
[20:51] <th> s,the,
[20:51] <owl> hmm. wrapper is the problem... 
[20:52] <th> why?
[20:52] <owl> cuz my programming skills... 
[20:54] <th> try this:
[20:55] <th> #!/bin/sh
[20:55] <th> [ $1 = "-root" ] && { shift ; ROOT=$1 ; shift }
[20:55] <th> cd $ROOT ; tar xfIspv $1
[20:55] <th> put this in a file and make it executable.
[20:55] <th> then name it as you want...
[20:55] <th> and use it like "xyz -root /home/owl/blubb blugg.tbz2"
[20:55] <owl> hmm. 
[20:55] <th> giving -root is optional.
[21:18] <owl> argh. dammit. i should not sit on a pc. *blind as an regenwurm*
[21:18] <owl> thx, th
[21:45] Action: fake off for today
[21:46] <owl> bye fake 
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[22:10] <netrunner> th: can you give me sth to change directories more userfriendly?
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[22:13] <th> netrunner: e.g. without giving the directory as argument?
[22:13] Action: blindcoder hands netrunner a big red button labeled: void DoWhatIWant();
[22:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: but I want my work to be more productive. 
[22:37] <netrunner> blindcoder: might suffice for you though *run*
[22:37] <blindcoder> netrunner: that's why it returns void, that's more than you do right now :P
[22:39] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for today
[22:39] <blindcoder> bye
[22:48] <netrunner> n8
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