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[02:07] <lewellyn> hoi hoi hoi
[02:07] <lewellyn> anyone still awake?
[02:07] <lewellyn> if so, anyone know if there's a package for cyrusimapd?
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[05:08] <th> lewellyn: i think there is one
[05:09] <th> lewellyn: it's called courier-imap
[05:09] <th> lewellyn: it's in the tsa repository
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[08:20] <blindcoder> moin
[08:22] <netrunner> moin, 2
[08:45] <blindcoder> okay, guess I'll do something people will hate me for now
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[10:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: what, change your ip?
[10:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: no, much more evil
[10:13] Action: blindcoder is actually just building some vaporware
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[11:10] <daja77> blindcoder: the hurd?
[11:11] <blindcoder> daja77: a new Config system
[11:11] <blindcoder> using C, C++ and LUA
[11:11] <blindcoder> the bash to lua converter is already 50% done
[11:11] <tfing> that explains the new lua package :)
[11:12] <blindcoder> the classes are also in place
[11:12] <blindcoder> tfing: indeed :)
[11:12] <blindcoder> I guess I'm around 10% done so far
[11:18] <tfing> strange to use 3 programming languages just for this
[11:19] <blindcoder> well, let's mak ethat 2: I use C with objects and lua :)
[11:20] <blindcoder> since I have no clue about C++
[11:20] <blindcoder> and if esden learns of that he will kill mbe
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[11:23] <tfing> ok
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[11:40] <fake> objective c ?
[11:40] <fake> as long as you keep away from objective c++....
[11:40] <blindcoder> no idea, I call it C with objects
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[12:16] <owl> hi
[12:18] <[anders-mcafee]> narf
[12:23] <blindcoder> a kingdom for documentation...
[12:29] <owl> baeh. how old is isdn4linux? (latest release)? am i just blind or is the latest (stable) package from 2002? O_o
[12:30] <blindcoder> sometimes i get the feeling that clifford is doing this on purpose...
[12:32] <blindcoder> cp <file> __temp
[12:32] <blindcoder> mv __temp <anotherfile>
[12:32] <blindcoder> what the hell
[12:32] <owl> no comment *vbeg*
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[13:20] <blindcoder> gnarf
[13:21] <fake> blindcoder: that has it's purpose...
[13:21] <blindcoder> fake: enlighten me please
[13:22] <fake> blindcoder: i'm not sure, but iirc, if you cp a file over an existing file, the inode doesn't change. if you create a new file and move it, the inode of <anotherfile> changes.
[13:22] <fake> besides, that way you have both files
[13:22] <blindcoder> fake: and how does changing or not changing the inode affect ROCK?
[13:23] <blindcoder> cat <file> > <anotherfile> ?
[13:23] <blindcoder> that way you also have both files
[13:23] <fake> blindcoder: cat has to obey the umask
[13:23] <blindcoder> and mv doesn't?
[13:23] <fake> so if <file> is executable, anotherfile won't
[13:23] <fake> shell redirection...
[13:23] <blindcoder> right now, it just looks stupid
[13:24] <fake> i'd like to take a look at the exact lines of code you saw that
[13:24] <blindcoder> fake: scripts/Config lines 259 and 260
[13:25] <blindcoder> nevermind the fact that the whole process is "designed" around the assumption that the whole configuration is re-run every time a config option changes
[13:25] <fake> yes, it's stateless
[13:25] <fake> blindcoder: i will take a look tonight
[13:25] <blindcoder> guess i couldn't do what I want to without starting from scratch :(
[13:26] <blindcoder> which is another thing I probably can't do
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[13:28] <blindcoder> or converting every *config*in file to lua
[13:30] <blindcoder> which probably would run into some resistance if I dared proposing it
[13:36] <blindcoder> oh well, just get prepared for getting flamed and off goes the mail
[14:17] <tcr> blindcoder, Did you send it?
[14:19] <blindcoder> tcr: still thinking about it
[14:19] <blindcoder> if it really is a solution
[14:21] <blindcoder> because it doesn't feel like one
[14:22] <tcr> Uh, you talked about Config. Sorry, misread (just fetched up the real context via the archive)
[14:23] <blindcoder> :)
[14:50] <blindcoder> I've reached a point now where I think the only way to speed up the process is to completely scrap the current one. IOW, I resign from trying
[14:50] <fake> blindcoder: a complete redesign is planed for post-3.0
[14:52] <blindcoder> fake: that's why I resign from trying now :)
[14:53] <blindcoder> I was just hoping that there was some way to speed it up now
[14:53] <fake> that would have been cool, yes
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[15:35] <madtux> hello
[15:35] <mnemoc> wb madtux 
[15:35] <madtux> danke
[15:36] <mnemoc> bite
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[15:44] <blindcoder> moin madtux 
[15:44] <madtux> hallo blindy
[15:44] <madtux> will i see you @ chemnitz?
[15:45] <blindcoder> probably
[15:47] <madtux> thats not good enough..
[15:47] <blindcoder> need to talk with my boss about it :)
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[15:48] <blindcoder> but as it is now I will be there
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[16:05] <blindcoder> .
[16:06] <madtux> ..
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[16:09] <treo> moin
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[16:42] <madtux> hi treo
[16:42] <daja77> hi madtux 
[16:43] <madtux> Mr. Daniel :)
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[17:22] <[anders-mcafee]> meep
[17:22] <[anders-mcafee]> lo madtux 
[17:22] <madtux> wow...
[17:23] <madtux> a guy from mcafee is talking to em
[17:23] <madtux> me*
[17:23] <[anders-mcafee]> loool
[17:23] <madtux> how are you [anders-mcafee] :)
[17:23] <[anders-mcafee]> I'm doing alright, how's you then madtux ?
[17:23] <madtux> be back in a sec
[17:23] <madtux> i'm always good 
[17:24] <[anders-mcafee]> :)
[17:24] <daja77> O_o
[17:24] <[anders-mcafee]> ^_^
[17:24] <daja77> thought you were evil
[17:24] <mnemoc> madtux: will you be 'relocated'?
[17:24] Action: fake writing a rocknet frontend - _web application_ ;-)
[17:25] <daja77> hehe
[17:25] Action: daja77 feeling stupid doin no rock work at all
[17:27] <fake> well, i guess this won't be very helpful for the rock linux project
[17:27] <fake> but nontheless it will be released under the apache2 license (i assume)
[17:30] <daja77> anyway
[17:30] Action: daja77 booting into knoppix in a few minutes (i really hate that)
[17:37] <madtux> daja77, you heretic.. wtf are u doing
[17:37] <madtux> mnemoc, relocated?
[17:37] <madtux> [anders-mcafee], so how is life @ mcafee ?
[17:38] <[anders-mcafee]> madtux: not bad, not bad at all
[17:38] <[anders-mcafee]> I located my first sev2 defect today..
[17:39] <[anders-mcafee]> still waiting for development to come and slap me for it. :)
[17:39] <madtux> hehe
[17:39] <madtux> let them come
[17:40] <[anders-mcafee]> nah, it is a valid bug. comparing the spec/instructions against the actual behaviour, it is a defect
[17:43] <madtux> its good.. you are doing a good job
[17:43] <blindcoder> fake: rocknet webfrontend o_O
[17:43] <[anders-mcafee]> madtux: for only having been here three days yeah.. but it means I have to keep to that level as well..
[17:44] <daja77> madtux: well long story ...
[17:44] <madtux> [anders-mcafee], i know u can do even better than that
[17:44] <[anders-mcafee]> in time. have to learn the product now, get used to it and know how to hit it where it hurts :)
[17:44] <madtux> daja77, i don't care i would like to know
[17:45] Action: netrunner joins the crowd
[17:57] <madtux> :)
[17:57] <madtux> hallo netrunner
[17:57] <blindcoder> madtux: btw, how come you'll be in chemnitz?
[17:58] Action: daja77 hides
[17:58] <madtux> blindcoder, is it a bad thing?
[17:59] <madtux> blindcoder, whatever it is blame daja77 for it.. he is 100% responsable
[17:59] <blindcoder> madtux: no, it's great! I'm just being nosy :)
[17:59] <madtux> :)
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[19:13] <blindcoder> GRAH
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[20:03] <netrunner> [050203_181337_9462] ... fits the weather.
[20:03] <blindcoder> o_O
[20:03] <blindcoder> I don't have to get that one, do i?
[20:04] <netrunner> you mean the package?
[20:04] <netrunner> well, if you have enough outside, probably not :)
[20:05] <blindcoder> hae?
[20:05] <blindcoder> blindy confused
[20:05] <netrunner> blindcoder: I updated xsnow in the quoted sm id :)
[20:05] <blindcoder> aaaah
[20:05] <blindcoder> hasn't arrived yet
[20:06] <blindcoder> and almost no snow here anywore
[20:50] <fake> damn fscking snow here
[20:51] <daja77> ack!
[20:53] <blindcoder> snow?
[20:53] <blindcoder> just melted away two days ago
[20:53] <daja77> pah flachlšnder!
[20:54] <blindcoder> :P
[20:54] <blindcoder> caveman!
[20:55] <madtux> re
[20:55] <daja77> wb
[20:56] <madtux> danke
[21:03] <fake> eclipse rocks
[21:03] <daja77> hehe
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[21:12] <fake> cheers
[21:12] <blindcoder>  cheers
[21:12] Action: blindcoder has another shot of rum
[21:13] Action: fake some ugly alcopop-cheapo
[21:13] <fake> uargh.
[21:13] <blindcoder> urgs
[21:17] <fake> but: ugly alcohol is better than no alcohol!
[21:17] <blindcoder> indeed
[21:18] <daja77> fake: is austria that depressing?
[21:18] <blindcoder> daja77: you know, there aren't any ugly women, just not enough alcohol :)
[21:19] <daja77> hm no idea why you are talking about women now, anyway ;)
[21:19] <blindcoder> goes hand in hand with alcopops
[21:20] <daja77> hehehe
[21:20] <fake> NullPointerException
[21:21] <daja77> ?
[21:21] <fake> well, you referenced a null object
[21:22] <owl> re
[21:22] <blindcoder> the pointer has just meen malloc'ed :)
[21:23] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[21:23] <owl> hi blindy. 
[21:24] <daja77> me ...
[21:33] <fake> daja77: i don't support stack traces, so that will be hard to point out
[21:33] <daja77> O_o
[21:36] Action: fake talking gibberish
[21:36] <blindcoder> yes, you do
[21:36] <daja77> ;)
[21:37] <blindcoder> no more alc for you
[21:37] <blindcoder> all for me instead
[21:37] <fake> i think i'll get one more of those drinks, the waterpipe, my laptop and ep. 07 of season 4 of 24 and declare this day as over
[21:38] <blindcoder> #define this_day over
[21:39] <fake> *shivers*
[21:40] <fake> i have an appointment at the bank tomorrow, i'll open an account - anything i should watch out for?
[21:40] <fake> (i want one of those ECC atm cards..)
[21:40] <blindcoder> Error Correction Code ATM cards?
[21:41] <fake> no, elliptic curve cryptography. pretty sexy stuff..
[21:41] Action: blindcoder has no idea what fakes talking about
[21:41] Action: blindcoder just stupid programmer of bad code
[21:41] Action: fake too
[21:42] <fake> http://www.cryptoman.com/elliptic.htm
[21:42] <owl> .oO( one worse than the other... fascinating. )
[21:42] <blindcoder> owl: ?
[21:42] <owl> blindcoder: "i'm a bad coder" - "me too"... 
[21:43] <owl> baeh. don't ask me questions. i'm nearly dead (or at least i feel so)
[21:43] <fake> The order E of an elliptic curve y^2 + x∑y = x^3 + a∑x^2 + b over GF(2^(L*K)) can be calculated using the magic formula:
[21:43] <fake> 2^(L*K) + 1 - lucas( 2^L-(e-1), 2^L, K )
[21:43] <fake> *CACHUNK*
[21:44] <blindcoder> I see Lucas and an elk
[21:44] Action: fake trying hard NOT to try to understand that
[21:44] Action: fake ph34r1ng d4 3v1l
[21:45] <fake> there's two times refresh-terminal control character in there
[21:45] <blindcoder> and an elk
[21:45] <daja77> cloop stinks!
[21:46] <fake> A C K !
[21:46] <daja77> damn crap
[21:46] <daja77> if you unpack an image, it is larger when you pack it again
[21:48] <netrunner> daja77: if you unpack a box of dabbers, it will be larger if you pack it again :)
[21:48] <fake> The Nyberg-Rueppel signature scheme may be subject to European patent 0639907 (I haven't seen this)
[21:48] <fake> *hate*
[21:49] Action: fake starting aforementioned actions
[21:50] <blindcoder> have fun
[21:50] <owl> bye fake 
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[21:52] <owl> hm. what do you think of the digital video-cam offered by 'plus' tomorrow? (www.plus-online.de for more facts)
[21:55] <fake> Aufnahmen im MPEG-4 Format
[21:55] <fake> UARGH
[21:55] <owl> hm?
[21:55] <fake> 640x480 MPEG4 - that's a zoomed-up 'briefmarke' at best
[21:56] <blindcoder> hehehehe
[21:56] <fake> stamp
[21:56] <blindcoder> stamp ;)
[21:56] <netrunner> hey, it's vga at least
[21:56] <fake> owl: spend a bit more and get a real DV cam, with a tape drive
[21:56] <fake> there is a standard for digital video, you know
[21:57] <owl> hmm. how much more?
[21:57] <blindcoder> fake: you mean the 20GB for 90minutes stuff?
[21:57] <fake> including USB - cable??? 
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[21:57] <owl> (and: the main-function of the cam should be a 'extended digi-cam')
[21:57] <fake> omg - it's usb 1.0
[21:57] <fake> no, you do NOT want that
[21:57] <daja77> ack
[21:57] <owl> huh? where do you seen that it's usb 1.0?
[21:58] <fake> blindcoder: in a quality you will want to show to picky audience
[21:58] <blindcoder> fake: that strange thing that filled my laptops hard disk faster than I could say rtsbrmft?
[21:58] <fake> owl: they'd write it's 2.0 if it was...
[21:58] <blindcoder> (not that I could say that...)
[21:58] <blindcoder> fake: well, yes...
[21:58] <owl> fake: dunno. well... i will at least have a look at it *guessing*
[21:58] <fake> owl: make sure you can give it back if it's bullshit
[21:59] <owl> yes, that is one of the things i will do for sure... 
[21:59] <fake> blindcoder: the standard is a replacement for the Hi8 cameras, which had equal storage requirements, just analog
[21:59] <blindcoder> I see
[22:00] <fake> blindcoder: and you have to admit, the quality is intriguing
[22:00] <blindcoder> yes, that's right
[22:00] <blindcoder> now if only that cam had a plug for microphones...
[22:00] Action: fake want's a HDTV tv and camera
[22:00] <fake> wants
[22:01] <fake> need... to.. watch... 24
[22:01] <fake> cya 
[22:01] <owl> bye fake . thx for your advice
[22:01] <fake> (my ranting..)
[22:03] <owl> advice. :p
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[22:35] <treo> gn8
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