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[07:29] <madtux> yar
[07:57] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[08:19] <netrunner> moin
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[08:50] <[anders-mcafee]> lo madtux 
[09:01] <blindcoder> moin
[09:35] <madtux> hi [anders-mcafee]
[09:35] <madtux> moin blindy
[09:37] <[anders-mcafee]> madtux: how's life then?
[09:38] <madtux> [anders-mcafee], is doing great thanks :)... how about you? how much sleep have u been getting lately? *g*
[09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> madtux: I have been getting decent amounts of sleep actually, Helen's mum is visiting, so getting some help looking after the little one at the moment
[09:39] <madtux> lucky :)
[09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> aye, sure is :)
[09:39] <[anders-mcafee]> still getting up at 0500 though, just to get into the office at decent times
[09:40] <madtux> well at least its better than been up at 2:40am knowing to that u are suppose to wake at 6am..
[09:40] <[anders-mcafee]> yeh, that is the one :)
[09:41] <madtux> :s
[09:41] Action: [anders-mcafee] spent part of the weekend looking at Postfix, TLS, ssl certificates and access restrictions
[09:42] <madtux> oh nice
[09:42] <[anders-mcafee]> handy to know how it works. ;-)
[09:42] <madtux> definitly
[09:42] <[anders-mcafee]> part of the job, and a secure mail server at home is useful as well
[09:43] <madtux> :)
[09:43] <madtux> nice job
[09:43] <madtux> ok dude i will go get me a few hours of sleep.. as i said before i;m supposed to be aup at 6am
[09:43] <[anders-mcafee]> heh.. sweet dreams
[09:43] <madtux> i wil be back around 7am my time
[09:44] <madtux> thanks :)
[09:44] <[anders-mcafee]> okidoki, cya then
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[10:15] <blindcoder> okay, just booked the room for CLT :)
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[13:46] <blindcoder> meh, lilo is unnerving today
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[13:46] <owl> moin
[13:46] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[13:47] <owl> huhu blindy
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[13:50] <owl> soemone knows a good howto for my fights with postfix & sasl & etc.
[13:50] <owl> ?
[13:51] <blindcoder> www.sendmail.com :D
[13:51] <owl> blindcoder: *kick* *kick* *kick*
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[14:10] <fake> owl: whaddayaneed?
[14:17] <owl> fake: ??? 
[14:29] <owl> gnarf. how to make colored-stupid-damn-ugly-looking emails with kmail or other email-client? need to annoy someone
[15:03] <fake> owl: enable html
[15:04] <owl> fake: yes. found it. now there's a ugly rainbow-hyper-colored html-mail out. 
[15:05] <owl> .oO( which idiot needs such stuff?!!! "jsut for fun - te make editing easier" *biting the next table available*)
[15:06] <mnemoc> hi, does anyone have docbook{_to_man,2man} there? which package?
[15:07] <blindcoder> hmm, no
[15:11] <mnemoc> last module-init-tools needs it :\
[15:13] <mnemoc> http://sources.redhat.com/docbook-tools/
[15:13] <mnemoc> i hate RH!!!!!
[15:13] <mnemoc> that crap is cvs:// only and they injected a dependency on module-init-tools
[15:14] <blindcoder> circular dependency?
[15:14] <blindcoder> so what about cvs:// ? There's the cvs:// download scheme for [D] Tags
[15:14] <mnemoc> yes
[15:15] <daja77> re
[15:15] <mnemoc> i mean they made module-init-tools depend on a software which have never released sh*t
[15:15] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[15:15] <blindcoder> :(
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[15:16] <feistel> hi
[15:16] <blindcoder> hi feistel 
[15:16] <feistel> how I can see the funcion allocated by a library in Linux?
[15:16] <feistel> how I can see the functions allocated by a library in Linux?
[15:17] <blindcoder> feistel: objdump I'd say
[15:18] <feistel> how I can use objdump?
[15:18] <blindcoder> man objdump
[15:18] <blindcoder> never used it for this, either
[15:18] <feistel> objdump and nm says no symbols
[15:19] <blindcoder> feistel: is the library stripped?
[15:21] <feistel> i dont know
[15:21] <feistel> how I know if a library is stripped?
[15:21] <blindcoder> feistel: what does 'file <library>' give you
[15:22] <feistel> /lib/librt-2.3.2.so: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped
[15:22] <feistel> :(
[15:22] <blindcoder> stripped, so you're out of luck
[15:23] <blindcoder> feistel: why do you need to know this
[15:23] <feistel> my problem is
[15:24] <feistel> tar and ls crash
[15:24] <blindcoder> what error message?
[15:24] <feistel> Segmentation fault
[15:24] <blindcoder> ugh
[15:24] <feistel> strace say:
[15:24] <feistel> clock_gettime(0,  <unfinished ...>
[15:24] <feistel> +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++
[15:25] <SMP> you use nm, not objdump
[15:25] <blindcoder> feistel: did you do anything out of the ordinary recently?
[15:25] <SMP> but that's not likely going to help in this case either
[15:25] <feistel> I am working in a server installed by another person
[15:25] <blindcoder> SMP: thanks
[15:26] <blindcoder> feistel: did that person do anything out of the ordinary recently?
[15:26] <feistel> I am finding where clock_gettime function is allocated
[15:26] <blindcoder> like updating the glibc on a running system?
[15:26] <feistel> feistel, i dont know
[15:26] <feistel> the server is a production server, I dont can reboot them
[15:26] <SMP> clock_gettime() is not a library function!
[15:26] <SMP> it's a system call
[15:26] <feistel> SMP, what is?
[15:27] <feistel> auh!
[15:27] <feistel> SMP, then the problem is with a kernel?
[15:27] <SMP> hard to say
[15:28] <feistel> man for clock_gettime() say: Most systems require the program be linked with the librt library to use
[15:28] <feistel>        these functions
[15:29] <SMP> $ nm -D /lib/librt.so.1 | grep clock_gettime
[15:29] <SMP> 00003c70 T clock_gettime
[15:29] <SMP> hmm. right
[15:30] <SMP> since when is strace able to trace function calls?
[15:30] <fake> it isn't ?
[15:31] <fake> fake@jane:/usr/include/linux$         grep clock_gettime *
[15:31] <fake> syscalls.h:asmlinkage long sys_clock_gettime(clockid_t which_clock,
[15:31] <SMP> strace traces system calls, ltrace traces function calls to libraries (and syscalls, too). at least mine do
[15:32] <fake> SMP: i meant, it's not tracing function calls (at least not to my knowledge...)
[15:32] <SMP> ah
[15:32] <SMP> so then clock_gettime() is both a syscall and a function in librt
[15:32] <fake> seems so...
[15:33] <SMP> and what we're seeing in that strace log is the syscall
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[15:33] <fake> hum, on my System.map for 2.6 there is only do_clock_gettime and sys_clock_gettime...
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[15:34] <blindcod1r> what's up with freenode today?
[15:34] <fake> maybe strace strips off the sys_
[15:34] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder
[15:34] <SMP> the name of the syscall doesn't need to have anything to do with the name of the function in the kernel that implements it
[15:35] <SMP> it's just a convention that the names of syscall functions (and only those) in the kernel begin with sys_
[15:37] <fake> SMP: i c - so strace translates system call nr.s to function names itself
[15:37] <SMP> yes.
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[15:43] <mnemoc> blindcoder: docbook-tools is a bunch of tarballs, where the main docbook-utils (which includes the tool required by module-init-tools) needs jade 
[15:45] <blindcoder> mnemoc: and what is jade?
[15:47] Action: blindcoder off now, got to shop and some other things
[15:47] <blindcoder> bye
[15:47] <mnemoc> blindcoder: and xml processor afaik
[15:47] <fake> blindcoder: and write blog
[15:47] <mnemoc> and*
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[17:42] <madtux> hi.
[17:50] <daja77> hi madtux 
[18:02] <madtux> hello mr. daniel
[18:02] <daja77> :D
[18:29] <daja77> blindcoder: ?
[18:31] <th> oh wow - we have no qemu in stable?
[18:31] <th> i'm confused
[18:31] <th> i was almost sure we do.
[18:33] <blindcoder> daja77: !
[19:18] Action: blindcoder reading his 2005 Despair Inc. calendar that just arrived today :D
[19:25] <fake> aaaargh
[19:26] <fake> clifford's dsl provider seems to detected when i arrive at home.
[19:27] <blindcoder> because your connection terminates?
[19:27] <fake> again and again...
[19:28] <blindcoder> haha
[19:30] <fake> aaargh
[19:40] <fake> now i know why openvpn keeps saying the certificate is 'not yet' valid
[19:41] <fake> i always thought that it referrs to not havin tried all possible verifications yet
[19:41] <fake> but instead, the system clock says it's 1980 - which would be a few years before the first x509 certificates have been issued ;)
[19:44] <blindcoder> you have to take a better look at your systems...
[19:44] <fake> blindcoder: it's a routing-only-soekris - date wasn't even installed ;))
[19:44] <fake> nor 'hwtosys'
[19:44] <blindcoder> heh
[19:44] <blindcoder> ntpclient?
[19:45] <fake> nah, no way
[19:45] <fake> if i had df on the box, i could see how much of the 64 MB flash card is still availible...
[19:46] <fake> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:46] <fake> rootfs                 61M   18M   40M  32% /
[19:46] <fake> wow...
[19:46] <fake> there's still *plenty* of space ;)
[19:47] <fake> Initialization Sequence Completed
[19:47] <fake> oh baby!
[19:54] <blindcoder> I love this calendar :D
[19:56] <fake> hum? which?
[19:56] <blindcoder> fake: this just in: question about the livecd in the wiki
[19:57] <blindcoder> fake: the Despair Inc. Special Edition 2005 Calendar
[20:00] <fake> blindcoder: i envy you...
[20:00] <blindcoder> including my new "Idiocy" Coffee Mug :D
[20:00] <tcr> Are there any shots?
[20:01] <blindcoder> have no cam
[20:01] <fake> blindcoder: question is from marcello, the 2.4 tree maintainer ;)))
[20:01] <blindcoder> But three shots of Rum if necessary :)
[20:02] <tcr> blindcoder, Only, where you bought it?
[20:02] <tcr> s,only,online,
[20:02] <blindcoder> tcr: www.despair.com
[20:02] <blindcoder> tcr: yes
[20:02] <blindcoder> fake: :)
[20:03] <tcr> blindcoder, I actually talked about the mug :)
[20:05] <blindcoder> http://www.despair.com/idiocymug.html
[20:05] <blindcoder> so did I :)
[20:07] <tcr> Heh
[20:08] <fake> blindcoder: answer posted ;)
[20:08] <blindcoder> I also bought the Procrastination mug but that will be a birthday present
[20:08] <fake> to yourself ?
[20:09] <blindcoder> fake: no
[20:09] <blindcoder> fake: maybe you want to subscribe to the rockdoc-commit mailinglist
[20:10] <blindcoder> Unfortunately my birthday is in august so buying a bday present for me now seems wrong
[20:15] <tcr> Is the athlon-xp compatible to i686 optimizations?
[20:15] <owl> re
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[20:16] <blindcoder> moin owl
[20:16] <owl> hi blindy
[20:17] <owl> how to remove wachs out from a glass .... ? (wachs is hard / dry)
[20:23] <netrunner> owl: lighter
[20:23] <blindcoder> owl: freezer
[20:23] <fake> tcr: yes
[20:23] <fake> owl: hot water
[20:23] <netrunner> fake: praying
[20:23] <netrunner> :)
[20:24] <fake> netrunner: hm?
[20:24] <netrunner> fake: s/fake/owl/
[20:24] <owl> hm. k. thx. will try
[20:25] <fake> (not all of the methods at once, owl!)
[20:25] <blindcoder> fake: why not? if you have spare hot water, just put it in the freezer. You never know when you might need hot water.
[20:26] <owl> nah. will try hot water... and fire or so... *thinking*
[20:26] <blindcoder> owl: good luck. but remember the freezer
[20:31] <fake> it will both work
[20:32] <fake> owl: the water from the *OUTSIDE* of the glass, of course
[20:32] <fake> otherwise it will be a mess ;)
[20:35] <owl> re. thx. yes. worked. nah. needed from inside, too... (the bottom was also affected and so...) 
[20:48] <feistel> hi, anyone use qmailanalog here?
[20:49] <blindcoder> not me
[20:49] <owl> <- not, too.
[20:58] <fake> who uses qmail?
[20:58] <fake> ;-)
[20:58] Action: fake postfix
[20:58] <_Ragnar_> <-
[20:58] Action: blindcoder sendmail
[20:59] Action: tfing real postfix
[20:59] <fake> blindcoder: masochist!
[20:59] <blindcoder> fake: hey, I've got a working configuration
[20:59] <blindcoder> so unless you have a sendmail2foo converter, feel free to tell me what you like :P
[21:03] <owl> .oO( half of #rocklinux is running postfix on mailservers? O_o )
[21:04] <fake> owl: that's because postfix rules.
[21:06] <owl> hmm. depends on what you need imho... tls is a bit - sick imho
[21:07] <fake> postfix does not enforce tls ?
[21:08] <owl> yes... but if you want tls... -> get patch here and here and blah -> sick
[21:14] <fake> owl: ... no?
[21:15] <owl> fake: huh? 
[21:15] <fake> owl: if you want tls for SMTP, you just need to enable that on build, and of course you need sasl
[21:16] <owl> fake: *cough* debian -> server 
[21:18] <fake> what?
[21:19] <fake> anyone here with a working sip-ua?
[21:19] <fake> i need a test subject ... ;-)
[21:20] <daja77> <- only got the evil stuff
[21:20] <fake> daja77: no kphone?
[21:21] <daja77> is it in crystal?
[21:21] <fake> you just need to emerge-pkg it
[21:21] <daja77> yep I am on it
[21:28] <fake> narf
[21:28] <fake> it won't work
[21:28] <fake> *sigh*
[21:28] <fake> not yet
[21:31] <daja77> but i have kphone now ;)
[21:33] <fake> just a sec...
[21:40] <fake> wart' mal
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