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[08:27] <blindcoder> moin
[08:47] <blindcoder> looks like I'll be having something to write about in the next newsletter
[08:58] <netrunner> :(
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[09:08] <blindcoder> yeah
[09:10] <blindcoder> well, the discussion about submaster is about as old as submaster itself
[09:12] <netrunner> I wonder if it's worth it.
[09:13] <blindcoder> submaster? or the discussion around it?
[09:16] <netrunner> both. If a central tool is so bad that half the team quits, there should be something changed.
[09:16] <blindcoder> well, I think it makes sense that some things go through a janitor and/or discussion for review
[09:16] <blindcoder> The problem is that there is only one janitor (clifford) and hardly ever any discussion
[09:17] <blindcoder> well, you don't need to use sm for anything else but patch committing
[09:17] <blindcoder> that's what I do
[09:17] <blindcoder> I use svn for tree management and a shellscript using curl to commit patches
[09:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: you'll be at CLT?
[09:25] <netrunner> blindcoder: yes
[09:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: good. maybe we can have a talk with clifford and work something out together
[09:26] <blindcoder> preferrably before midnight :)
[09:54] <tfing> hi 
[09:54] <tfing> blindcoder: while i think of it, did you write subtitles for bof_21c3.avi ?
[09:56] Action: fake will not be on clt... have fun
[10:10] <netrunner> fake: no spare time?
[10:10] <blindcoder> tfing: due to lack of a usable subbing program, no :(
[10:11] <blindcoder> tried ksubtile but its interface to mplayer is horrible
[10:11] <blindcoder> not to say crap or unusable
[10:11] <blindcoder> fake: I thought your company pays the trip?
[10:12] <tfing> blindcoder: ok
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[10:39] <netrunner> any good point for starting linux kernel driver development? (besides /usr/src/linux)
[10:40] <blindcoder> Writing Linux Kernel Modules
[10:40] <blindcoder> I think that's the booktitle
[10:40] <blindcoder> esden read it IIRC
[10:40] <blindcoder> praenti should also have it
[10:41] <blindcoder> if all else fails, ask hannes
[10:41] <netrunner> hm. I want to write a driver for my sd card reader. 
[10:41] <blindcoder> I know that he wrote a few
[10:41] <blindcoder> yes, that book should be good for that
[10:42] <netrunner> blindcoder: do you think I need specifications from the manufacturer (ricoh) for that?
[10:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: that would probably help, but I have no idea about writing drivers
[10:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: ask hannes, he wrote a driver for a storage device
[10:43] <blindcoder> netrunner: that was a lot bigger than a sd card reader, but still :)
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[10:56] <SerWou> Hello the Chan
[11:04] <blindcoder> hi SerWou 
[11:04] <SerWou> morning blindcoder
[11:04] <SerWou> how are you ?
[11:06] <blindcoder> fine, more or less. still fighting with a vital lesson I learned yesterday: look at the best-before-end of milk before consuming it
[11:07] <SerWou> lolol
[11:07] <SerWou> you consumed it but it was out-of-date ?
[11:08] <blindcoder> yeah, a week over
[11:08] <fake> blindcoder, netrunner: it's the only weekend my stepfather can spare to help me move
[11:08] <blindcoder> fake: ah, okay. Have fun :)
[11:09] <fake> "fun" and my stepfather are not compatible.
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[11:09] <blindcoder> fake: well, _you_ should have fun, not him
[11:09] <fake> i'll have fun as soon as he leaves ;-)
[11:09] Action: fake is so ev1l
[11:10] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:10] <blindcoder> any pics of your new flat yet?
[11:11] <fake> nope, not yet. i'm gonna sign the contract at 1500
[11:11] <fake> then i get the key, and then there will be pics
[11:11] Action: blindcoder looking forward
[11:11] <fake> so am i ;)
[11:12] <blindcoder> hehe, yes
[11:12] <blindcoder> I can imagine that
[11:16] <SerWou> what is the max size of a file in fat32 ? 2GB ?
[11:17] <netrunner> SerWou: I recently installed xp onmy lap using a 4GB fat32 partition.
[11:18] <blindcoder> netrunner: file, not filesystem
[11:18] <SerWou> yes, the partition
[11:18] <blindcoder> SerWou: 2^31-1 Bytes
[11:18] <SerWou> what about 1 file
[11:18] <blindcoder> SerWou: so almost 2 GB
[11:19] <tfing> netrunner: monday morning is hard for the eyes heh
[11:19] <SerWou> hehe
[11:20] <SerWou> thanks
[11:39] <fake> hrmpf
[11:39] <fake> i have to reboot this mac... itunes is freaking out
[12:24] <daja77> fake: will clifford be there?
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[13:25] <SerWou>   is # make a comment in a .DESC ? ;)
[13:25] <SerWou> without  ';)' at the end of my sentence
[13:29] <daja77> yes
[13:29] <SerWou> thanks
[13:33] <fake> daja77: clifford is not involved in my moving plans ;)
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[13:34] <fake> y e t *g*
[13:34] <treo> moin
[14:11] <blindcoder> daja77: clifford is holding a talk at CLT, no?
[14:12] <SerWou> i emerge pango 1.4.1 and i still have this error : checking Pango flags... -I/opt/gnome24/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include [......]
[14:12] <SerWou> configure: error:
[14:12] <SerWou> *** Can't link to Pango. Pango is required to build
[14:12] <mnemoc> re
[14:13] <blindcoder> SerWou: that's a problem with automake
[14:13] <SerWou> humm humm humm
[14:13] <blindcoder> SerWou: check where pango installed its .pc files and make sure autotools can find them
[14:13] <blindcoder> moin mnemoc 
[14:14] <mnemoc> moin blindcoder :)
[14:16] <SerWou> one more shoot blindcoder please ;)
[14:16] <SerWou> first, how to find these .pc files and how to check autotools ?
[14:22] <blindcoder> find /opt/ -name '*.pc'
[14:23] <blindcoder> SerWou: sorry, that's pkg-config, not autotools
[14:24] <blindcoder> SerWou: just look where there are already some .pc files in /usr/share/somewhere and link them
[14:24] <fake> echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[14:24] <fake> or so
[14:28] <SerWou> for find /opt/ -name '*.pc'  i have some answers in /opt/gnome24/lib/pkgconfig,  /opt/gnome/lib/pkgconfig, some in /opt/xfce/lib/pkgconfig and /opt/e17/lib/pkgconfig and /opt/qt33/lib/pkgconfig, and  find /usr/share/ -name '*.pc'
[14:28] <SerWou> /usr/share/doc/slang/INSTALL.pc
[14:36] <blindcoder> SerWou: and what's your $PKG_CONFIG_PATH?
[14:49] <SerWou> echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH
[14:49] <SerWou> /opt/gnome24/bin/gdk-pixbuf-csource
[14:50] <SerWou> i had to set it like this to compile a program some minutes ago
[14:51] <blindcoder> IIRC it has to be set to all paths containing .pc files. check your /etc/profile.d/ directory where this variable is set
[14:56] <SerWou> ok, thanks
[15:59] <daja77> blindcoder: i hope so ;)
[16:00] <fake> daja77: i'm sad i can't come, but on the other hand, i'm glad to get my flat done...
[16:01] <daja77> yes sure
[16:01] <daja77> fake: so I should change your status in the db i guess
[16:01] <fake> :(
[16:02] <daja77> don't worry, we'll see each other this year i think ;)
[16:04] <fake> we already did, didn't we ?
[16:04] <fake> well.. i couldn't see straight... so...
[16:04] <daja77> hehe
[16:04] <fake> let's agree that we should have seen each other ;-)
[16:04] <daja77> me neither ...
[16:05] <fake> boy was i stoned - boy was the party horrible - almost a classic.
[16:05] <daja77> hehehe
[16:05] <daja77> i was drunk at least
[16:08] <blindcoder> fake: so, you're going to host devmeeting 2005? :D
[16:09] <fake> well, i guess it's a bit small for that, and parking is horrible...
[16:09] <fake> but devmeeting this year in vienna is fine with me ;)
[16:10] <daja77> for me too ^^
[16:10] <fake> hah, i just created init script support for forked packages 
[16:11] <fake> rc
[16:11] <blindcoder> now, correct download support for forked packages would be something
[16:13] <fake> i fork away instances of the same tar.bz2 atm, so that's not an issue...
[16:13] <fake> ... i can handle at work.
[16:13] <fake> ;-)
[16:14] <blindcoder> well, ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg linux26 --> linux24 gets downloaded
[16:14] <fake> i know.
[16:14] <blindcoder> well, ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg import=cpan-bla --> _all_ cpan gets downloaded :(
[16:15] <netrunner> blindcoder: patches against that are in submaster. 
[16:15] <netrunner> blindcoder: against the latter.
[16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: really? where? *look*
[16:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: for the cpan thing. from giftnuss
[16:16] <blindcoder> oh, nice
[16:22] <netrunner> blindcoder: only no one tested them so far, feel free to do so :)
[16:23] <blindcoder> will do when I'm home
[16:23] <blindcoder> remind me to do so :
[17:20] <netrunner> blindcoder: the dns lookup in webalizer works now?
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[17:24] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes
[17:24] <netrunner> nice :)
[17:24] <blindcoder> at least with bdb41 and my patch it does
[17:24] <blindcoder> but should also with other bdb's
[17:24] <netrunner> blindcoder: which patch?
[17:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: the one I sent to submaster, for webalizer
[17:26] <netrunner> blindcoder: you only add 2 confopts ...
[17:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes :)
[17:26] <blindcoder> that patch
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[17:27] <netrunner> blindcoder: ah. thought you patched webalizer for that.
[17:27] Action: netrunner reading http://ezs.kr.hsnr.de/TreiberBuch/html/
[17:27] <blindcoder> no, I used to do that until I realized that it doesn't automatically check for libdb
[17:27] <blindcoder> which - basically - sucks
[17:28] <blindcoder> fake: btw, where's my sonar data?
[17:30] <fake> blindcoder: it's stuck in my tcp/ip stack
[17:31] <blindcoder> fake: then get yourself an I/O Accelerator
[17:41] <netrunner> anybody can tell me how to reverse-engineer windows drivers?
[17:41] <fake> netrunner: right-click the .dll and do edit with... , than look for notepad...
[17:43] <blindcoder> I'd look for vim in that menu :)
[17:43] <netrunner> fake: oh, hax0r1ng tools in windows?
[17:44] <fake> netrunner: there is no 'general' approach to this.
[17:44] <fake> netrunner: it depends on which information you are missing about a device
[17:44] <netrunner> hm. I'll try to copy from a similar kernel module as much as possible. hope I am not shooting the device ;)
[17:44] <fake> netrunner: what device are we talking about?
[17:45] <netrunner> fake: sd card reader.
[17:45] <fake> netrunner: the ricoh one attached to pcmcia?
[17:46] <netrunner> fake: yup.
[17:46] <daja77> fake: already seen that? http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/literatur/0,1518,342853,00.html
[17:46] <netrunner> fake: wanna help? ;)
[17:48] <fake> daja77: how sad...
[17:49] <daja77> yes, never knew that he looked like in the movie
[17:50] <fake> it took ma a bit so i relaized johnny depp is the one the right
[17:50] <daja77> hehe yes
[17:50] <blindcoder> never heard that name
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[21:41] <daja77> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~jahre/clt-leuchtreklame/
[21:59] <netrunner> daja77: let me guess, it was cold when you took the pics? ;)
[22:00] <daja77> yes
[22:00] <daja77> why?
[22:00] <netrunner> daja77: some are sharp, some are .. shaky ;)
[22:00] <daja77> yes because i didn'T use flash to not confuse the drivers
[22:01] <netrunner> and it's 8 pics of the same object ;)
[22:01] Action: netrunner stops writing his first driver for today and goes to bed
[22:01] <daja77> netrunner: you can't really see on the cam display if they are shaky, so i hot some more ^^
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[22:39] <treo> gn8
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