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[00:34] <th> should i use qt-3.3.3 or even qt-3.3.4 for kde-3.3.2? [00:35] <th> kde says: Qt >= 3.3.2 required [00:35] <th> trunk has 3.3.3 [00:35] <th> latest available is 3.3.4 [00:56] <daja77> try 3.3.4 [06:00] netrunne1 (~andreas@pD9E8E284.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [06:18] netrunner (~andreas@pD9E8D94C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:18] Nick change: netrunne1 -> netrunner [06:42] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) left #rocklinux. [06:43] SerWou (~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net) joined #rocklinux. [07:40] Nick change: BoS^afk -> BoS [07:48] <blindcoder> moin [10:11] Topic changed on #rocklinux by th!th@thzn.de: ROCK Linux 2.0-stable is preparing for kde-3.3.2 - please object NOW! [10:58] <daja77> .oO (or shut up forever, or sth like that) [10:59] <th> daja77: that would make my point _too_ obvious. [11:00] <daja77> hehe [11:00] <th> daja77: btw - would you mind sending another kernel update? [11:00] <daja77> perhaps after clt [11:00] <th> daja77: no haste [11:00] <daja77> ok [11:00] <th> perhaps 2.0.4 will have Xorg and kde-3.3.2 let's see [11:01] <th> IMHO stabelization of 2.1 is more than due. [11:01] <daja77> i try my best to break it ;) [11:02] <th> ;> [11:03] <th> who's our openldap guy? [11:04] <th> i guess we should have 2.2.23 [11:04] <th> instead of 2.1.27 [11:04] Action: daja77 points to mnemoc [11:05] <th> mnemoc: how about openldap-2.2.23 for stable? [11:08] fake (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) left irc: "BitchX: the fresh-maker!" [11:09] fake (~fake@rapidnetworks.de) joined #rocklinux. [11:09] <fake> moin [11:09] <th> heya fake [11:09] Action: fake still ill-ish [11:09] <th> what's up? [11:09] <th> got a cold? [11:09] <fake> i guess so [11:10] <daja77> hi fake [11:10] <th> dito [11:10] <fake> th: still in the US? [11:10] <fake> hi daja77! [11:10] <th> fake: no [11:10] Action: daja77 wants to kill some python coders [11:10] <th> fake: returned 2005-02-12 [11:10] <th> daja77: HEY! [11:11] <th> daja77: obey them! [11:11] <fake> th: are you gonna do the job? [11:11] <fake> ls [11:11] <daja77> no they are annoying me for two days with crap [11:11] <th> fake: yea - i do [11:11] <fake> >_< [11:11] <th> fake: it's full remote btw. just a few trips per year [11:12] <fake> th: a, phew. [11:12] <th> fake: you thought i'd leave? [11:12] <fake> well, who knows... [11:13] <daja77> some people leave for austria ;) [11:13] <th> daja77: that's still the same country anyways - it's the EU ;> [11:13] <daja77> continet is the word you were looking for ;) [11:13] <daja77> +n [11:13] <th> daja77: oh [11:14] <th> daja77: does that make a diff? [11:14] <daja77> it does ;) [11:14] <th> doubtfully [11:15] <fake> th is americanised [11:15] <th> fake: don't say that [11:15] <blindcoder> austria is just a bavarian colony anyway, so it doesn't count [11:15] <th> blindcoder: is bavaria part of the EU too? [11:16] <blindcoder> th: how easy would it be to update an already installed 2.0 to the new kde? [11:16] Action: daja77 getting some popcorn [11:16] <blindcoder> th: sadly, yes [11:16] <th> blindcoder: wow. didn't knew that. [11:16] <blindcoder> Some time in the past some stupid people thought it would be great if Bavaria would be part of Germany [11:16] <blindcoder> hence the name BRD. "Bayern und Rest Deutschland" [11:16] <th> blindcoder: i could try to just dump the new kde-gems into an old-kde install [11:17] <th> blindcoder: but as we don't officially provide binary repositories... [11:17] <blindcoder> th: that'd be a good excercise :) [11:17] <daja77> https://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyimages/657.gif [11:17] <blindcoder> th: still should be tried [11:17] Action: daja77 should move all python related packages into teha repo [11:18] Action: daja77 hides [11:19] <th> blindcoder: i always think of update like "reinstall everything besides /home" [11:20] <blindcoder> th: which is a common, if bad approach [11:21] <th> blindcoder: what do you mean? [11:22] <blindcoder> th: I think that having to reinstall the whole system just to get a few updated packages is - at least - overkill [11:22] <th> well everything else supports keeping your system-tinkerings [11:23] <th> ans system-tinkerings are a disaster to maintain in any case [11:23] <th> and should be avoided [11:23] <blindcoder> hmm [11:23] <th> or somehow automated - and if they are automated it wont hurt to re-tinker [11:23] <blindcoder> I happen to like the tinkerings I've done :( [11:23] <th> i'm serious about this for my self and all my customers. but i know that i cant enforce this "way of thinking" [11:24] <th> so automate them! [11:24] <blindcoder> after installing my game machine it took me two weeks to the first user login [11:24] <th> thats crayz [11:24] <th> y,zy,yz, [11:24] <blindcoder> yeah, that's probably the right thing to do. Problem: it's long-term good, but short-term bad, so I haven't :( [11:25] <blindcoder> well... yes, it is :) [11:25] Action: blindcoder slaps a bumper sticker "Exception" on his forehead [11:26] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for lunch now. And I still want comments on the encryption stuff I've written ^_^ [11:26] <blindcoder> bbl [11:27] <th> blindcoder: that stuff is based on a wrong assumption regarding rescue target ;) [11:27] <th> cant be healty [11:27] <th> cant be healthy [11:41] Action: fake catches() blindcoders exception [12:14] nzg (~tschmidt@xchangecenter.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:26] <blindcoder> back [12:39] blindcod1r (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-096-093.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [12:40] blindcoder (~blindcode@dsl-082-082-101-111.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:40] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [13:28] <mnemoc> th: i vote for updating openldap on stable too, but i dislike the idea of updating kde because the update is not clean. [13:29] <daja77> hm? [13:30] <mnemoc> i have a weird concept of stable tree, you don't need to consider my thoughts [13:31] <blindcoder> guess everyone's got their own thoughts there [13:31] <mnemoc> :) [13:33] <daja77> you use no X anyway right? [13:34] <mnemoc> my machines with rock-2.0 not have X, true [13:35] <mnemoc> it does't affect me directly, but that update goes against my conception of 'stable tree' of a distribution [13:36] <blindcoder> what do we have now? 3.2? [13:37] <daja77> mnemoc: kde 3.2.3 is as stable as 3.3, i can see no big difference, just that some nasty bugs were remived in 3.3 [13:39] <mnemoc> i'm worried about the updating on a running machine [13:42] <th> mnemoc: we provide no real update mechanism in 2.0-stable [13:42] <mnemoc> is that a reason to break compatibility? [13:44] <mnemoc> imo, if you are ready to provide an stable and updated plataform using newer technologies, release 2.1, but don't hurt 2.0. [13:48] <daja77> one stable with newer versions would perhaps help some ppl who don't want to have dev versions [13:53] <th> mnemoc: i would not propose the kde update if we would have shorter release cycles. [13:54] <th> mnemoc: and thats where the "reason" comes handy. [14:07] yesterday (~yesterday@200.69.223.249) joined #rocklinux. [14:07] <yesterday> goodmorning [14:07] <yesterday> I am playing with udev [14:07] <th> welcome yesterday [14:07] <yesterday> but I can remote login via SSH [14:08] <yesterday> ssh client say: [14:08] <yesterday> stdin: is not a tty [14:08] <yesterday> something is wrong with udev [14:08] <yesterday> local login work fine [14:08] <yesterday> ssh login without udev work fine [14:08] <th> "< yesterday> but I can remote login via SSH" [14:09] <th> so remote login is fine too. [14:09] <yesterday> no [14:09] <yesterday> I can't remote login to my box with udev mounted [14:09] <th> so there are obviously some devices missing. [14:09] <th> you might want to strace sshd [14:09] <yesterday> yes [14:10] <yesterday> ok [14:10] <yesterday> I try [14:16] <yesterday> the output of sshd -d [14:16] <yesterday> is very confuse [14:16] <yesterday> nothing about opening a device [14:17] <th> did you give -f? [14:17] <th> you should propably restart sshd like "strace -f sshd" [14:22] <mnemoc> th: i'm completly agree about the 'release cycle', but that doesn't justify breaking the current stable. branch 2.0-stable into 2.1-stable and merge all the stable things from trunk :) [14:23] <th> mnemoc: i dont really see where kde bump to 3.3.2 is "breaking" [14:24] <th> mnemoc: which does not mean i dont understand you opinion. [14:24] <mnemoc> th: afaik the abi changed so updating a package will make the desktop unusable [14:24] <th> ah. ok. [14:25] <mnemoc> that's what i mean by 'clean updates' [14:25] <mnemoc> choose a random package, update it and every continue working [14:25] <yesterday> th, ok [14:26] <th> mnemoc: hmmm. that wont work in many cases if going from 2.0.x to 2.0.y [14:26] <th> mnemoc: but 2.1-stable isn't a good a idea for a branch i think [14:27] <mnemoc> btw, i see trunk as a 3.x due to the big and deep changes on it [14:27] <th> mnemoc: so i could branch a 2.2 from 2.0 [14:28] <th> which would complete all versioning confusion [14:28] <blindcoder> that's quite probable what will happen, but unstable is currently marked as 2.1 [14:28] <mnemoc> th: ah, you mean odd/even [14:28] <th> mnemoc: yea [14:28] <mnemoc> blindcoder: that's not hard to solve :) [14:28] <yesterday> nothing [14:28] <yesterday> what devices use ssh? [14:28] <mnemoc> pts [14:30] <th> the gap between 2.1 and 2.0 is too big. [14:30] <th> we need something intermediate. [14:30] <yesterday> i have a /dev/pts dir [14:30] <th> too big gap for easy stablization [14:30] <th> yesterday: which is empty? [14:30] <yesterday> yes [14:30] <th> yesterday: none /dev/pts devpts rw 0 0 [14:31] <th> yesterday: mount it [14:31] <yesterday> ok [14:33] <mnemoc> th: mv 2.1 2.9; cp 2.0 2.1; merge from 2.9 to 2.1; cp 2.1 2.2; rm 2.1 [14:33] <yesterday> work! [14:33] <th> mnemoc: thats not consistent. [14:33] <yesterday> thanks! [14:33] V25 (~chatzilla@195.161.4.86) joined #rocklinux. [14:33] V25 (~chatzilla@195.161.4.86) left #rocklinux. [14:34] <th> mnemoc: that's like moving the current devel-version just a bit higher cause stable needs more numbers [14:34] <th> mnemoc: if stable reaches 2.8 you propably move it to 2.19 or 2.99 [14:34] <th> (of course stable will never reach 2.8) [14:35] <mnemoc> many projects create a .99999 branch :) [14:35] <th> XFree86 Version 4.3.99.903 (4.4.0 RC 3) [14:36] <mnemoc> yep [14:37] <mnemoc> or just 3.x-trunk or 3.x-svn instead of 2.9 [14:37] <mnemoc> but labeling it 2.1 is a joke :) [14:38] <th> that would mean like: mv 2.1 2.99; merge 2.99 changes into 2.[2,4,6,8] step by stap ; finally mv 2.99 3.1 and mv 2.8 3.0 [14:38] <mnemoc> yes, that's the idea [14:39] <mnemoc> 2.{0,2,4,6,8,10,12,14} ^^ [14:42] <th> btw. march is a development month cause of it's odd number. [14:42] <blindcoder> th: so you only develop in odd months? [14:42] <mnemoc> :) [14:42] <th> blindcoder: well i do stablization in even months [14:43] <th> but only when the week is even [14:43] <mnemoc> *G* [14:43] <th> in even weeks of odd months i mostly do code cleanups [14:44] <blindcoder> and in odd weeks of even months? [14:44] <th> security fixes ;) [14:44] <th> i prepared for that question [14:44] <th> oh it's an odd day today... [14:45] <blindcoder> no, even [14:45] Action: netrunner trying to recover [14:45] <th> oh it's the 2nd? [14:45] <th> cool. [14:45] <blindcoder> yees :) [14:45] <blindcoder> and I find it quite odd that the first even day of an odd month is also on an odd weekday [14:46] <blindcoder> cd /usr/games/lib/nethackdir/ ; ./recover 0nlock ; recover: recovered to: save/1002netrunner [14:47] <netrunner> blindcoder: recover /var/archive/health [14:47] <blindcoder> recover: can't read /var/archive/health: write-only memory [14:48] <netrunner> damn. [15:15] <mnemoc> th: thanks (for the RFC you just sent) [15:59] <th> argl - i want to have a java that installs without X [16:00] <fake> huh? [16:00] <fake> you don't need x for java [16:00] <fake> who says so? [16:00] <th> j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin -console [16:00] <th> Checking available disk space... [16:00] <th> ... [16:00] <th> java.lang.UnsatisfiedLinkError: /tmp/j2ees5RfgAs/package/jre/lib/i386/libawt.so: libXp.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [16:00] <fake> j2ee - yuck. [16:00] <th> thats what i found while searching at java.sun.com [16:01] <th> Download Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, v 1.4.2 (J2SE) [16:01] <th> first paragraph: J2EE 1.4 [16:02] <th> i'll try another version [16:02] <tfing> th: try https://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/guide/awt/AWTChanges.html#headless [16:02] <th> tfing: i just want to install the sdk [16:03] <tfing> |To run our environment with a headless implementation, the follow property may be specified at the java command line: [16:03] <tfing> | [16:03] <tfing> |-Djava.awt.headless=true [16:03] <th> and i have to do that for every jvm i guess [16:04] <th> or set it in some property file [16:04] <th> yuck [16:06] <mnemoc> jikes :) [16:07] <fake> th: you will want to try 1.5 [16:07] <th> fake: are you serious? [16:07] <fake> th: yes. it's great. [16:07] <th> at least the j2sdk1.4.2_07 extracts now. [16:07] <fake> th: it will work. [16:08] <th> quite much hassle just to get a connection to a lame dbms [16:08] <th> (through jdbc) [16:08] <th> i want native jdbc in python! [16:46] <daja77> O_o [17:01] <th> can i initiate a clean reboot by echoing something to /proc? [17:01] <th> i've lost every disk io on one machine [17:01] <th> and want to make the machine reboot [17:02] <mnemoc> init 6 [17:02] <th> -bash: /sbin/init: Input/output error [17:03] <mnemoc> o_O [17:03] <th> i still have /tmp /proc and all the virtuals [17:03] <th> and i have two shells left [17:03] <mnemoc> phone someone to press the botton :| [17:04] <th> i could use echo to create a reboot binary [17:05] <th> how can i paste in a file without cat? [17:05] <mnemoc> cat <<EOT > file [17:05] <th> oh kill is a shell builtin! [17:05] <th> -bash: /bin/cat: Input/output error [17:06] <th> mnemoc: i don't have cat [17:06] <mnemoc> echo > ; echo >> echo >> [17:06] <th> i guess i could send a signal to init [17:06] <th> which causes a panic [17:06] <th> which causes reboot [17:09] <th> echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/panic [17:09] <th> hmm [17:09] <th> can i write into /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq to trigger requests? [17:09] <th> hmm seems to be to enable/disable only [17:10] BoS_ (~bodo@dsl-213-023-068-040.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [17:11] <mnemoc> /sbin/init: Input/output error <--- what input what output? [17:11] <th> to read the init binary i guess [17:11] <mnemoc> trace init 6 on another machine :) [17:11] <th> i lost the scsi controller serving all FS' [17:12] <th> one should always have a minimum rescue system on non-disk fs like ramdisk [17:12] <th> and one should have it mounted [17:13] <th> /proc/sysrq-trigger what's that? [17:14] <th> cool [17:14] <th> that's it [17:15] <th> echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger [17:15] <th> yea [17:15] <th> rebooting [17:15] <th> i hope i never sweared to loud about the "echo" shell-builtin [17:17] <mnemoc> :) [17:17] <th> yea got it back [17:17] <th> but one raid disk is still degraded [17:19] <mnemoc> [anders]: here? [17:23] BoS (~bodo@dsl-213-023-071-212.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:23] Nick change: BoS_ -> BoS [17:29] treo (~xfman@Da113.d.pppool.de) joined #rocklinux. [17:30] <treo> moin [17:32] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-143-184.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:56] SteffenP (steffen@p54993265.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:15] Nick change: BoS -> BoS^afk [18:48] SteffenP (steffen@p54993265.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "https://www.bomberclone.de" [19:52] <daja77> .oO (kasc will kill me) [19:52] <blindcoder> why? [19:53] <blindcoder> and more importantly: should I help him? [19:53] <daja77> because of the things i did to clanlib and pingus [19:53] <blindcoder> heh [20:18] yesterday (~yesterday@200.69.223.249) left irc: Client Quit [20:27] <fake> https://operation.cntrcpy.com [20:28] <fake> (game starts on friday 1200 CET) [20:29] <daja77> friday 12 cet, time for games booth ;) [20:31] <blindcoder> hoeh? [20:35] <daja77> well ok let's say 14:00 [20:36] <daja77> time to set it up [20:36] <blindcoder> hoeh? [20:36] Action: blindcoder confused [21:09] kasc (kasc@dsl-082-083-181-016.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:01] <daja77> hi kasc ^^ [22:01] <daja77> *strike* [22:01] <daja77> == 03/02/05 22:03:01 =[9]=> Finished building package pingus [22:01] <daja77> ;) [22:02] <mnemoc> where did you installed clanlibs? [22:02] <daja77> /opt/clanlib06 /opt/clanlib07 [22:03] <daja77> but pingus needs some patching for this [22:03] <mnemoc> only libs conflict or includes and bin too? [22:04] <fake> hm... should i go home now.. or try 2.6.11 on this machine first? [22:04] <daja77> go home ;) [22:04] <mnemoc> try it first :) [22:04] <daja77> hehe [22:04] <mnemoc> 1-1 [22:04] Action: fake explodes [22:04] <th> try it [22:05] <daja77> mnemoc: the pingus configure is broken, so it won't find the libs there, made a patch, have to prepare the rest of the patches too, will flood soon [22:05] <fake> i'm eager wether it works better with this borked p4 [22:05] <mnemoc> cvs -z4 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@anoncvs.services.openoffice.org:/cvs co -P -r SRC680_m82 OpenOffice [22:05] Action: daja77 won't update for the clt cds [22:05] <mnemoc> 742M downloaded from archive so far... [22:06] <fake> mnemoc: and still cooouuntiiiiing... [22:07] <mnemoc> fake: how much? [22:07] <fake> *rofl* [22:07] <fake> the game i linked before - i just read the flyer with the events that go along with it [22:08] <fake> my bosses hold a talk there - it's titled [22:08] <fake> 'the unique and glorious technique of soviet space travel' [22:09] <daja77> hehe [22:09] <mnemoc> o_O [22:09] <fake> hm... i could blog while waiting for the kernel... [22:09] <mnemoc> hehe [22:09] <daja77> we had russians here years ago, showing these glorious techniques to us, and they were drunk ... [22:09] <mnemoc> fake: have you used jikes? [22:10] <mnemoc> daja77: including the dead dog? [22:10] <daja77> erh no [22:10] <daja77> laika? [22:10] <fake> mnemoc: jikes rings a bell, gimme more input... [22:11] <mnemoc> i want to use jikes and jikesrvm, to build ant and then openoffice [22:11] <mnemoc> i have jikes here, i'm going for jikesrvm now [22:11] <mnemoc> but i'm not sure if my goal is really possible [22:12] <fake> ah, the free java compiler [22:12] <mnemoc> IBM's [22:12] <fake> jikes as a compiler is fine, but not as a vm... iirc [22:12] <mnemoc> opensource :) [22:12] <fake> i know [22:12] <mnemoc> oh [22:12] <fake> wait a little more... ibm will opensource their sdk soon [22:13] <mnemoc> define soon [22:13] <fake> within this year i guess [22:13] <mnemoc> the cycle ibm->microsoft->linux->ibm is funny [22:35] <treo> gn8 [22:35] <mnemoc> gn8 treo [22:39] <mnemoc> daja77: why libxml++ on stage1? [22:39] <daja77> because wormux needs exactly that one [22:40] <mnemoc> :\ [22:41] treo (~xfman@Da113.d.pppool.de) left irc: "safe the Planet, kill yourself" [22:55] jackflash2 (~jf@cpc1-rdng8-4-0-cust146.winn.cable.ntl.com) joined #rocklinux. [22:55] <jackflash2> do you know rene? [22:56] <mnemoc> rene=rxr [22:56] <fake> blindcoder: you here? [22:56] <mnemoc> jackflash2: you can find him on #t2 [22:57] <jackflash2> thanx [22:57] <mnemoc> np [23:09] Action: fake away [23:11] <daja77> *flood* [23:12] Action: fake away for zZzZzZ [23:12] <fake> n8 [23:12] <daja77> n8 fake [23:37] <th> ftp.nluug.nl is out of sync. why is that? [00:00] --- Thu Mar 3 2005