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[07:56] <blindcoder> fake: yes
[11:38] <daja77> i should not mail to the list before the first coffee >_<
[11:40] Action: netrunner still in bed :(
[11:40] <daja77> :(
[11:41] <netrunner> I shouldn't have mentioned too loud that I was so far the only one not affected by that flue :)
[11:41] <fake> blindcoder: can you remember kawaii's domain? i forgot...
[11:46] <netrunner> 2.6.11
[11:59] <blindcoder> fake: softpink-bubblegum
[12:00] <blindcoder> .oO( why the fsck do I remember such stuff? )
[12:07] <th> blindcoder: because brains are non-erasable memory?
[12:08] <blindcoder> th: the human brain sure has room for improvement there :/
[12:09] <th> blindcoder: send patch ;)
[12:10] Action: blindcoder sends th a big butchers knife
[12:10] <th> blindcoder: please send tested patches only.
[12:11] <blindcoder> damn :)
[12:17] <th> how can a c program get information about it's dynamic linked libraries?
[12:17] <th> like a program knows against which version of libxml2 it is linked.
[12:17] <blindcoder> th: guess that libxml2 offers a function to get the version
[12:17] <th> without having to inject special symbols for version information into every lib
[12:18] <th> i dont want a solution per library
[12:18] <th> more like a filename for every lib
[12:18] <blindcoder> th: stat'ing the filename of the library?
[12:19] <th> blindcoder: how does the program know the filename?
[12:19] <blindcoder> th: it knows the library it wants, goes through $LD_LIBRARY_PATH and there you have it :)
[12:19] <th> it could perhaps run ldd on itself. but that smells bad
[12:19] <blindcoder> well, that's the other solution :)
[12:20] <blindcoder> great
[12:20] <blindcoder> hwscan fails to detect each and every single pci id of the hardware I have
[12:21] <daja77> hm anyone who had a failing xpdf package too?
[12:21] <blindcoder> yes
[12:21] <blindcoder> though I don't remember why
[12:21] <daja77> a missing dvi file it say
[12:22] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:22] <blindcoder> no, I think that wasn't it
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[12:57] <netrunner> what can I use to record from my microphone?
[12:57] <netrunner> krec starts artsd and does not record anything
[12:58] <daja77> krec as I know it ...
[12:58] <blindcoder> rec
[12:59] <blindcoder> plain old simple rec
[12:59] <netrunner> -bash: rec: command not found
[12:59] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[12:59] <blindcoder> and don't forget to set your recording device to microphone
[12:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: look in sonar
[13:00] <blindcoder> sox: usr/bin/rec
[13:00] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/ROCK/sonar/search.pl?action=search&dist=2.1.0-DEV-rev5083-reference&search=contains&text=bin%2Frec
[13:02] <th> oh my god - i just noticed that libxml2's DOM is limited to 2bytes for line-information for nodes
[13:02] <blindcoder> would it be embarassing to say that I have no idea what you're talking about?
[13:03] <th> blindcoder: you know what a xml node is?
[13:03] <blindcoder> I have a rudimentary understanding of xml
[13:03] <th> thats more than enough
[13:03] <th> a line number information is stored in that xml node.
[13:04] <th> a line number like at which line in the input the node was found
[13:04] <th> and that's limited to 65535
[13:04] <th> < DV> th: and that design is not negociable at this point
[13:05] <netrunner> th: that may be the reason why our sm syncs always abort at a certain point.
[13:05] <blindcoder> d'oh
[13:05] <th> no
[13:05] <th> the line information is not important
[13:05] <th> it's only important for diagnostic output
[13:05] <th> like "there is a xml validation error in line xyz"
[13:05] <netrunner> ah ok. I only remember something about xml parse error
[13:05] <th> so you wont get precise information about this if the line is > 65535
[13:06] <th> netrunner: it's not at parsing time.
[13:06] <netrunner> oh? I am using v6? curl: (7) Failed to connect to 2001:770:18:2::1:2: Network is unreachable
[13:12] <netrunner> hm, I am doing something wrong, sounds like from a metal drum :/
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[13:48] <kasal> I apologize if the question is silly: does anyone use firefox here?  When I compile 1.0 or 1.0.1, then the find feature doesn't work at all.
[13:49] <kasal> Is it a known bug in firefox, or something in my system configuration?  (That's why I ask here.)
[13:49] <blindcoder> I'm using mozilla, sorry
[13:50] <kasal> Another silly question before I compile it: can I just press / to start searching in mozilla?
[13:51] <blindcoder> td
[13:51] <blindcoder> yes
[13:53] <kasal> Thank you, blindcoder.
[13:54] <blindcoder> you're welcome
[13:56] <th> kasal: yea
[13:56] <th> kasal: that's a known bug.
[13:57] <kasal> I thought it must be a known bug in firefox.
[13:57] <th> sort of
[13:57] <th> gimme a second.
[13:57] <th> you give the --enable-extensions  switch while building?
[13:58] <th> and you propably have "typeaheadfind" in it?
[13:58] <th> r4792 | teha | 2004-11-13 10:07:23 +0100 (Sat, 13 Nov 2004) | 6 lines
[13:58] <th> Tobias Hintze <th@rock...>:
[13:58] <th>         updated firefox -> 1.0;
[13:58] <th>         removed typeaheadfind from --enable-extensions
[13:58] <th>         (it's now default and breaks if still given)
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[13:58] <yesterday> hi
[13:58] <yesterday> I need help
[13:58] <yesterday> I dont write to /dev/null
[13:59] <yesterday> I can create a directory o file in /dev/
[13:59] <th> .oO(where is our support staff?)
[13:59] <yesterday> /dev/null have crw-rw-rw permissions
[13:59] <yesterday> vacations
[14:00] <kasal> th: thanx, that will be it -- I use an old rock tree and update only version numbers.
[14:00] <th> kasal: see revision r4792. that changes the .conf
[14:00] <th> -ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,universalchardet
[14:00] <th> ,typeaheadfind,webservices,inspector,gnomevfs,negotiateauth
[14:00] <th> ,webservices,inspector,gnomevfs,negotiateauth
[14:00] <th> +ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,universalchardet
[14:00] <blindcoder> yesterday: crw-rw-rw sounds right
[14:01] <yesterday> yes but
[14:01] <th> kasal: why did you only update version number?
[14:01] <th> kasal: you know of ./scripts/Update-Src ?
[14:01] <yesterday> echo something > /dev/null
[14:01] <yesterday> denied
[14:02] <yesterday> I can't mount filesystems
[14:02] <yesterday> only root
[14:02] <th> yesterday: on what fs is /dev?
[14:02] <th> yesterday: and is it moutned read-only?
[14:02] <yesterday> in root
[14:02] <yesterday> no
[14:02] <yesterday> I repeat
[14:02] <kasal> th: I have a special "minimal" target in my old tree.  And I haven't yet moved the whole tree past 2.0
[14:02] <yesterday> I can create a directory o file in /dev/
[14:02] <th> yesterday: missed that
[14:03] <th> yesterday: ls -l /dev/null
[14:03] <kasal> th: I know I should update, yet in this case I decided to ask for help anyway.
[14:03] <yesterday> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 2004-11-11 11:26 /dev/null
[14:03] <yesterday> is not a trivial problem
[14:05] <blindcoder> yesterday: what is mounted on /dev?
[14:05] <th> yesterday: put "#!/bin/sh\necho foo > /dev/null" into a file; make it executable; strace it.
[14:06] <th> open("/dev/null", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE, 0666) = 3
[14:06] <th> dup2(3, 1)                              = 1
[14:06] <th> close(3)                                = 0
[14:06] <th> write(1, "foo\n", 4)                    = 4
[14:06] <th> and confirm this
[14:06] <yesterday> ok
[14:08] <yesterday> I dont have strace
[14:08] <yesterday> blindcoder, nothing
[14:09] <blindcoder> yesterday: ls -ld /dev
[14:10] <th> yesterday: get strace
[14:10] <yesterday> I can't
[14:10] <th> sure?
[14:10] <th> why?
[14:10] <yesterday> I cant mount partitions
[14:11] <th> do you have network?
[14:11] <yesterday> yes
[14:11] <th> do you have nfs?
[14:11] <th> do you have ssh?
[14:11] <yesterday> no
[14:11] <th> do you have some writable space?
[14:11] <blindcoder> yesterday: you are using a rock installation, no?
[14:11] <yesterday> yes / is writable
[14:11] <th> you can compile a static strace and copy it to the machine somehow
[14:11] <netrunner> mount -o remount,rw /dev
[14:11] <netrunner> :)
[14:11] <blindcoder> netrunner: there is nothing mounted on dev
[14:11] <th> netrunner: he said /dev is part of /
[14:12] <blindcoder> mount -t devfs none /dev
[14:12] <yesterday> ok, i try this
[14:12] <netrunner> ok, didn't read each line ;)
[14:13] <yesterday> devfs not supported
[14:13] <blindcoder> yesterday: okay, what did you do prior to this?
[14:13] <yesterday> dd 
[14:13] <blindcoder> dd? dd what?
[14:13] <yesterday> I create a image of another disk
[14:14] <blindcoder> how?
[14:14] <yesterday> with dd
[14:14] <yesterday> dd if=.. of=...
[14:14] <blindcoder> are you sure you used the correct if= and of= parameters?
[14:14] <yesterday> yes
[14:15] <blindcoder> and after dd everything stopped working?
[14:15] <yesterday> I can write to /dev, but I can't write to /dev/null, I am confused
[14:15] <yesterday> yes
[14:15] <yesterday> I can't write access to /dev/sdaX partitions, then I can't mount partitions
[14:16] <yesterday> fdisk -l /dev/sda, dont work
[14:16] <th> yesterday: so you have network but no ssh?
[14:16] <th> yesterday: do you have wget, curl, whatever?
[14:16] <yesterday> no, there are in /usr partition, which I cant mount
[14:16] <th> yesterday: you really want to see the strace output
[14:17] <th> yesterday: and no nfs?
[14:17] <blindcoder> yesterday: do you have uudecode?
[14:17] <yesterday> no nfs
[14:17] <th> do you have /bin/cat?
[14:17] <yesterday> yes!
[14:17] <th> but propably no uudecode
[14:17] <blindcoder> yesterday: what distribution are you using?
[14:17] <blindcoder> that doesn't sound like a rock installation without devfs
[14:18] <yesterday> I build my own kernel
[14:18] <blindcoder> yesterday: on which distribution
[14:18] <yesterday> i build my own kernel in debian and put this in my rock
[14:18] <yesterday> work fine with another box
[14:19] <blindcoder> yesterday: still have the old kernel?
[14:19] <th> yesterday: you have awk?
[14:19] <yesterday> how I can write in /dev/, but not in /dev/null or /dev/sdaX?
[14:20] <yesterday> th, nothing below /usr
[14:20] <th> yesterday: thats what strace might enlighten us about
[14:20] <yesterday> blindcoder, no
[14:20] <th> yesterday: my awk is in /bin
[14:20] <blindcoder> yesterday: try deleting and recreating /dev/null
[14:20] <blindcoder> yesterday: that's bad practice
[14:21] <blindcoder> yesterday: always keep a known-good kernel when updating
[14:21] <th> yesterday: you could use sed and or awk to create a sort of uudecode. than build strace and paste it into you uudecode
[14:21] <th> yesterday: oh - do you have tar?
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[14:51] <blindcoder> ...
[14:51] Nick change: bc -> bc-
[14:51] <bc-> helo :)
[14:52] <blindcoder> hi
[14:52] <bc-> how's going
[14:52] Action: blindcoder sleepy
[14:52] <blindcoder> and somehow I feel like talking to myself right now...
[14:52] <bc-> in dots?
[14:52] <blindcoder> morse code, actually
[14:53] <bc-> like ...__-- --_--..._ ..--__
[14:53] <bc-> :)
[14:53] <blindcoder> dit dit daw dit dit daw daw daw dit daw
[14:55] <bc-> morse -d doesn't work
[14:55] <bc-> or i'm damn stupido to figure it out
[14:56] <bc-> any news at rock?
[15:00] <bc-> not many talky bots/ircers... :(
[15:00] <bc-> except one morse zealot....
[15:00] <bc-> ... so far...
[15:00] <blindcoder> lots of news
[15:00] <blindcoder> when have you been here last?
[15:00] <bc-> umm, before 3-4 years :)
[15:01] <bc-> that was time i've used rock for the first time
[15:01] <mnemoc_> 1.4? 1.5?
[15:01] <bc-> 1.4 right
[15:01] <bc-> 1.4.0 exactly...
[15:01] <mnemoc_> rock has changed a lot :p
[15:02] <bc-> yes i've noticed, i've used it everywhere where i needed linux
[15:03] <bc-> sometimes it did pissed me off, because there wasn't some nifty minimal cd with a lot of hardware support and shell
[15:03] <bc-> instead of that i was scared with some giant drock on 2-3 cds
[15:03] <blindcoder> does getting wikispammed indicate any level of success of the wiki?
[15:03] <blindcoder> bc-: what about the livecd?
[15:04] <bc-> well in long era of 1.7-DEV there wasn't a lot of it
[15:04] <blindcoder> bc-: there is now in the equally long era of 2.1-dev :)
[15:04] <bc-> or it couldn't be found on official site :(
[15:05] <blindcoder> cat /home/svn/rockdoc-subwiki/hooks/blacklist /home/svn/rockdoc-subwiki/hooks/myblacklist
[15:05] <blindcoder> grmpg
[15:05] <blindcoder> http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/unofficial/fake/
[15:05] <blindcoder> that's what happens when you're forced to use windows and used to X style of copy/paste
[15:05] <bc-> :P
[15:05] <th> bc-: there is an official minimal package selection distributed
[15:06] <th> bc-: in the stable tree
[15:06] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/2.0-stable/2.0.3/buildbootstrap/
[15:07] <bc-> i'm suprised :)
[15:07] <th> why is that?
[15:07] <bc-> a bootstrap 
[15:07] <bc-> really nice
[15:08] <bc-> what's that crystal stuff? some codename for 2.1?
[15:08] <th> not quite
[15:08] <th> blindcoder: do you have a wiki-link handy for that question?
[15:09] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CrystalROCK
[15:09] <blindcoder> not very elaborate, though
[15:09] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/CrystalEmu
[15:09] <kasal> th: you said 
[15:09] <blindcoder> that might be better
[15:09] <kasal> th: you said "there is an official minimal package selection distributed"
[15:10] <th> kasal: yea i did.
[15:10] <kasal> that's interesting; how can one use it?
[15:10] <kasal> last time I checked (2.0 fresh new)
[15:10] <th> kasal: either by extracting the packages and chrooting into it, or by installing from bootable iso
[15:11] <kasal> yes, I mean something different.
[15:11] <th> kasal: what do you mean?
[15:11] Action: bc- thinks that wikidocs kicks ass
[15:12] Action: bc- is willed to participate
[15:12] <blindcoder> bc-: yeah, and we just had the first wikispam half an hour ago :)
[15:12] <blindcoder> three submissions were blocked, but three more went through the filter :(
[15:13] <bc-> oh :(
[15:13] <blindcoder> blocklist now grown to 4058 urls
[15:13] <blindcoder> domains, rather
[15:13] <bc-> god damn it... is there any way to integrate that trick with typin' in a number from image before posting?
[15:14] <blindcoder> captchas?
[15:14] <bc-> s/posting/editing/
[15:14] <blindcoder> I'm not too fond of them
[15:14] <blindcoder> since the wiki has a subversion backend it's really easy to undo this stuff
[15:15] <blindcoder> this first spam lasted for about ten minutes :)
[15:15] <bc-> was there any special gotchas why you've choosed subwiki?
[15:15] <blindcoder> a subversion backend
[15:15] <bc-> oh, that is...
[15:15] Action: bc- slow typin' :(
[15:15] <blindcoder> :)
[15:16] <blindcoder> there was some discussion on the mailinglist about it and the general consens was that some people aren't fond of having to use a webbrowser to edit the files
[15:16] <kasal> th: (sorry for the delay) I mean this:
[15:16] <blindcoder> so we used a wiki with a svn backend
[15:16] <kasal> I wanted to have a custom short list of packages.
[15:16] <blindcoder> so everyone can use $EDITOR on the files
[15:16] <th> kasal: so the bbs is a good start, i use it on some servers for myself
[15:17] <th> kasal: but it's trivially easy to maintain your own package selection
[15:17] <kasal> I hoped to use target generic, apply "minimal" pkg-list  and then use the Config to edit the pkg list.
[15:17] <bc-> blindcoder, i guess that you didn't had wikispam in mind?
[15:17] <th> kasal: even to much overkill. have a look at the bbs pkgsel; just copy it and adapt it.
[15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: not really until - I think it's been kasc - pointed it out to me
[15:18] <kasal> But I discovered that this is not possible and I created a specialized target.  (I started from router in my case.)
[15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: I then searched a bit and came upon chongqed.org
[15:18] <th> kasal: no need for target for that purpose. have a look at misc/pkgsel/
[15:18] <th> kasal: especially in a recent 2.0-stable checkout
[15:18] <blindcoder> bc-: they maintain a list of perl regex of >4000 known wikispam websites.
[15:19] <blindcoder> bc-: I then wrote a subversion pre-commit hook to check the content of the new page against that list and deny the commit if one matches
[15:19] <kasal> I looked at that _then_ and it seemed unsufficient.  I rush to look again...
[15:21] <kasal> ... looked in trunk.
[15:21] <th> kasal: bbs and crystal-emu are two package selections that select each package explicitly.
[15:22] <th> kasal: that makes adaption very easy
[15:22] <bc-> blindcoder, a bold plan... but not perfect
[15:22] <bc-> because you have to rely on third party 
[15:23] <blindcoder> bc-: as long as it works, I'm fine with that
[15:23] <bc-> obfuscated image or alt tag on/below/above submit button is permanent solution
[15:24] <blindcoder> bc-: yes, but I really don't like that stuff. I think a wiki should be as easily editable as possible.
[15:24] <kasal> th: yes, still the same: ugly, encouraging to move to other parts of tree, like targets/
[15:24] <th> kasal: what do you mean?
[15:24] <blindcoder> bc-: anyway, I sent a mail to the mailing list if someone has other thoughts on that.
[15:25] <kasal> th: it's unfortunate that you canot simply select individual packages in the menu
[15:25] <blindcoder> kasal: sure you can
[15:25] <kasal> ?
[15:25] <th> blindcoder: but it's all about adding rules
[15:25] <th> blindcoder: it's not easily guessable
[15:25] <kasal> implemented after 2.0.1
[15:25] <blindcoder> th: X package
[15:25] <blindcoder> th: isn't that hard, is it?
[15:25] <kasal> Sure, I can, by adding rules.
[15:26] <kasal> Is it documented?
[15:26] <th> blindcoder: not if you know it
[15:26] <kasal> Rene's book didn't mentioned it.
[15:26] <th> kasal: forget this book
[15:26] <th> kasal: add a question to wiki
[15:26] <kasal> And wiki didn't existed back then, does it have better documentation?
[15:26] <th> kasal: or even contribute the solution
[15:27] <blindcoder> kasal: no. there's not much in the docs for distribution developers yet.
[15:27] <blindcoder> this stuff is usually added on a per-demand basis
[15:27] <kasal> (I know I should forget about the book, but it was not cursed yet back then, 1 yr ago.)
[15:27] <blindcoder> kasal: add the question to wiki and/or mailinglist and it will be added
[15:28] <kasal> I can switch myself to two modes: 1) pgm 2) clicking-user
[15:28] <blindcoder> pgm?
[15:28] <kasal> In mode 1), I'd like to edit a list of packages in vi.
[15:28] <kasal> The new target, modified router, was OK.
[15:29] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:29] <kasal> But with pkgsel, I edited a file which Config then rewritten according to it's rules.
[15:29] <blindcoder> I guess I could come up with a quick hack using ${EDITOR:-vi} to edit package selection
[15:29] <th> blindcoder: that would be a good-to-have
[15:29] <blindcoder> th: remind me about it after CLT
[15:30] <th> blindcoder: good chances to come into 2.0.4
[15:30] <kasal> (The list can be "name the few you need" or it can be "X firefox"  "O mozilla",  but it has to be a text file which no script delets.
[15:30] <kasal> )
[15:30] <mnemoc_> daja77: news about mike?
[15:30] <blindcoder> kasal: suggestion:
[15:30] <daja77> mnemoc_: no :(
[15:30] <kasal> .. and when I start script/Config, I immediately switch to mode 2) clicking-user.
[15:30] <blindcoder> kasal: a Config option "Edit package list with ${EDITOR:-vi}"
[15:31] <blindcoder> kasal: then a file is created with all packages like this:
[15:31] <blindcoder> # comment
[15:31] <kasal> That means I expect a long dialog, listing all packages, where I can use arrows and spacebar to select.
[15:31] <th> blindcoder: yea but what should the content look like
[15:31] <blindcoder> # deactivated package
[15:31] <th> blindcoder: propably not pkgsel.in
[15:31] <blindcoder> activated package
[15:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s).
[15:31] <blindcoder> # deactiwated package
[15:31] <blindcoder> and so on
[15:31] <th> yea thats nice
[15:31] <blindcoder> this file is then read again
[15:31] <kasal> The file to edit can have "X" and "O
[15:31] <th> the long dialog would be the other way to go
[15:32] <th> kasal: perhaps you can implement it? shouldnt be too hard
[15:32] <kasal> etc., but it shouldn't look like that sed script in minimal.in
[15:32] <blindcoder> kasal: the dialog will have to wait until post-3.0 because for it to be usable Config has to be rewritten
[15:32] <th> blindcoder: i don't think so. that can be implemented just like your "Edit package list with ${EDITOR:-vi}"
[15:33] <kasal> Well, I came here to ask for help with firefox, ...
[15:33] <th> kasal: you got your help ;)
[15:33] <kasal> ... and when I was here, I decided to do some feedback.
[15:33] <blindcoder> th: yes, but it's just a quick hack then.
[15:33] <kasal> Definitely, thx for the help.
[15:33] <blindcoder> kasal: you are invited to come here more often for feedback :)
[15:33] <kasal> Hacking: the "rock" part of my todo list contains this:
[15:34] <kasal> "1) rebuild the system (or use binaries, if you want to cheat)"
[15:34] <kasal> "2) take the 2.0-rock-diff and extract various patches to submit"
[15:35] <kasal> "3) start using sm and submit the old tiny patches"
[15:35] <th> blindcoder: i'd like to have 2 working quick-hacks like the vi and long dialog ideas.
[15:35] <blindcoder> th: *sigh* okay, remind me after CLT
[15:35] <blindcoder> won't have time before that
[15:35] <daja77> blindcoder: when you'll be here?
[15:35] <kasal> _Then_ I'm ready for more rock hacking.   As I know myself, it'll take many months.
[15:36] <blindcoder> daja77: I'll leave Berlin early Saturday. Guess I'll leave around 5AM
[15:36] <th> blindcoder: i've only bad infrastructure for reminding even myself. but i'll try.
[15:36] <kasal> So it's not good to wait for me....
[15:36] <blindcoder> th: thanks :)
[15:36] <blindcoder> kasal: still would ROCK :-)
[15:36] <kasal> But I'll be happy to do it, when the time comes... ;-)
[15:36] <daja77> oh saturday
[15:37] <th> kasal: you don't need to use sm
[15:37] <daja77> is there anybody from rock there on friday?
[15:37] <blindcoder> daja77: so if all goes well I'll arrive between 07:30 AM and 08:00 AM
[15:37] <th> kasal: i'm the 2.0-stable maintainer and never used sm besides the web-interface
[15:37] <blindcoder> daja77: I thought it starts on Saturday?
[15:37] <daja77> the event yes
[15:37] <daja77> but preparations are on friday
[15:38] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:38] <kasal> th: Why you don't use sm?  It looks so nice.
[15:38] <blindcoder> I only get the posters late friday :(
[15:38] <th> kasal: people are swearing regulary.
[15:38] <kasal> I planned to use trunk and submit patches via sm.
[15:38] <th> kasal: svn is nice enough for me.
[15:39] <blindcoder> if you don't want to use sm, there's a nice alternative on http://scavenger.homeip.net/rockdoc/SubmittingPatches
[15:39] <kasal> I _do_ want to use sm.
[15:40] <blindcoder> oh, okay :)
[15:40] <th> blindcoder: why checking out two versions and not using "svn diff"?
[15:40] <kasal> I think that a formalized way to review patches is very good.
[15:40] <blindcoder> th: back then submaster choked on the ===== lines of svn diff
[15:40] <th> kasal: i backup _this_
[15:40] <kasal> And I have strange feelings when I submit my "cleanup" or "typos" patches to bugzilla (for other projects).
[15:40] <mnemoc_> misc/archive/compare.sh can help you a bit
[15:40] <blindcoder> that should be corrected
[15:41] <th> mnemoc_: i love that one ;-)
[15:41] <kasal> "choked on ==="  yes, sm is an isolated hack
[15:41] <mnemoc_> th: great to know you use it :)
[15:41] <kasal> but it addresses an important need
[15:41] <blindcoder> kasal: it was the webinterface that choked
[15:42] <kasal> but is there any way to _see_ the patches besides the web intfce?
[15:43] <kasal> th: About 2.0.  You said you don't use sm.  Is sm ready to support several branches?  Or even several packages?
[15:46] <kasal> th: yes, firefox compiled, searching works!  Thank you very much for the hint!
[15:48] <th> kasal: i doubt that
[15:48] <th> (the sm)
[15:49] <th> kasal: in fact i have a very limited number of small scripts that i use.
[15:49] <mnemoc_> sm only support tree-roots
[15:49] <th> kasal: e.g. "smview: smcat $* | view -c 'set syntax=diff' -"
[15:50] <th> kasal: e.g.: "smcat: (cd /usr/src/rock-src;./scripts/Download -sm $*)"
[15:50] <th> kasal: i had a small script for "./scripts/Download -sm" but then i integrated it in Download
[15:51] <kasal> th: Isn't it that 2.0 is going more advanced then trunk in some aspects?
[15:51] <th> so applying a patch is just smcat SM_ID | patch -p0
[15:51] <th> kasal: no.
[15:51] <kasal> that's good, thanks.
[15:51] <th> kasal: that was the case when rene had maintainership, i think
[15:52] <mnemoc_> .oO
[15:52] <th> kasal: but now i'm the maintainer - and i follow a strict policy wrt this.
[15:52] <kasal> So in fact, I believe that one king, like you, is good for the stable branch.
[15:52] <kasal> And sm is not needed.
[15:53] <th> i don't consider me a king
[15:53] <th> ;>
[15:53] <kasal> But I'll rather try to install trunk on my comp and live with that,
[15:53] <th> but i guess i know what you meant
[15:53] <kasal> Yes, His Majesty.
[15:53] <kasal> ... and submit patches for trunk to sm.
[15:54] <th> and consider proposing merge-back for stable too!
[15:54] <th> if apropriate
[15:54] <kasal> ... until the trunk-ROCK eats my non-backupped data.  ;-)
[15:55] <kasal> Yes, I'll remember the king of the neighbour kingdom.  ;-)
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[16:01] <daja77> hm yesterday has quit, praise today
[16:01] <mnemoc_> *g*
[16:09] <bc-> is it serious?
[16:11] Nick change: kasal -> kasal_afk
[16:12] <blindcoder> no :)
[16:13] <netrunner> blindcoder: http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=43992.192.223.163.6.1102962055.squirrel%40weirichhouse.org
[16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: tough
[16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: the spammer had a reverse lookup
[16:15] <blindcoder> netrunner: and we don't have preferences to be set in the wiki
[16:17] <daja77> [anders]: ping
[16:19] <mnemoc_> daja77: i asked a friend of him on brazil and he doesn't have his number and haven't 'seen' him in two month
[16:21] <daja77> wtf has happened there
[16:22] <daja77> ok i'll tell them that the talk will possibly not be held by him
[16:23] <mnemoc_> sad but seems to be true
[16:23] <daja77> he should land here today
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[16:23] <blindcoder> hope he will
[16:24] <daja77> blindcoder: there are no messages from him for 4 weeks ...
[16:24] <daja77> i don't even know which flight that would be
[16:24] <blindcoder> wasn't he here on IRC just recently?
[16:25] <daja77> could you grad some logs?
[16:25] <daja77> grep
[16:25] <blindcoder> I don't have access to the server. th?
[16:27] <th> sup?
[16:28] <mnemoc_> daja77: Feb 14
[16:28] <mnemoc_> 02:52:37 madtux [~mike@65.182.14.165] has joined #rocklinux
[16:28] <mnemoc_> 02:52:38<madtux> yo
[16:28] <mnemoc_> 03:52:43<blindcoder> moin
[16:28] <mnemoc_> 03:55:37<madtux> yar
[16:28] <mnemoc_> 04:47:06 Signoff madtux: #rocklinux ("Leaving")
[16:28] <daja77> that's 2 weeks ago
[16:29] <blindcoder> th: we're searching for the most recent occurance of madtux on #rocklinux 
[16:29] <mnemoc_> <madtux>
[16:30] <daja77> ?
[16:31] <mnemoc_> <madtux> instead of madtux
[16:31] <mnemoc_> because you have used his name
[16:31] <daja77> ic
[16:32] <netrunner> 2005-02-14.log:06:53 < madtux> yo
[16:32] <netrunner> 2005-02-14.log:07:56 < madtux> yar
[16:32] <mnemoc_> the same i showed :)
[16:32] <netrunner> oh, that's the same :)
[16:33] <blindcoder> maybe they got him for using VoIP
[16:33] <mnemoc_> :)
[16:33] <mnemoc_> he found a german friend who ate him with chilean wine :\
[16:34] <daja77> ?
[16:36] <mnemoc_> /ignore mnemoc_
[16:37] <mnemoc_> i just remembered that weird thing i saw on the news last year
[16:37] <daja77> :)
[16:45] <blindcoder> Last Seen: Mon Feb 21 09:36:47 2005
[16:45] <blindcoder> madtux on ICQ
[16:48] <daja77> hm
[16:48] <daja77> did he tell sth about the flight?
[16:49] <blindcoder> no, that was just the last time he was online
[16:49] <blindcoder> not when he said anything
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[18:13] <treo> moin
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[22:24] <mnemoc_> *yawn*
[22:24] <daja77> :)=
[22:24] <treo> gn8
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[23:19] <daja77> args why is it downloading wesnoth now >_<
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