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[08:16] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:40] <blindcoder> moin mnemoc 
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[08:53] <[anders-mcafee]> moin
[08:54] <blindcoder> moin [anders-mcafee] 
[08:59] <netrunner> hm. someone from IN coming to ltc?
[09:10] Action: blindcoder :)
[09:10] <blindcoder> I am :)
[09:10] <daja77> netrunner: feeling better?
[09:13] <blindcoder> daja77: news from miguel?
[09:13] <daja77> no
[09:16] <blindcoder> :(
[09:16] <daja77> ok will sleep a bit more before goin to clt
[09:17] <blindcoder> good night :)
[09:20] <blindcoder> GRAAAH
[09:21] <blindcoder> THIS SOFTWARE IS SUCH A BIG HUGE PILE OF CRAP
[09:21] <blindcoder> if you name the server "foo" and the client "foo-bar" then the client chokes because the name "foo" is already assigned!
[09:21] <blindcoder> ARGH
[10:07] <fake> moin
[10:25] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[10:26] Action: fake again links to operation.cntrcpy.com
[10:26] <fake> i'm just finishing the last tests ;)
[10:29] <blindcoder> what is that link?
[10:30] <blindcoder> I haven't understood it the last time I don't understand it now
[10:31] <fake> it's an art project of a free artist group here in vienna
[10:31] <fake> calling it a 'game' would be unfair.
[10:31] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:32] <blindcoder> well, art is the art of imagination
[10:32] <fake> it shows that no myriards of dollars and special technology is needed to got to mars - it can be done with a cellphone and a browser ;)
[10:33] Action: blindcoder ordering licenses from megalostupid company^W^WSun
[10:49] <blindcoder> msnbot is out of control...
[10:49] <blindcoder> more than one third of requests in march have been by msnbot
[10:50] <blindcoder> mirroring whole mailinglist archives, subversion trees and whatnot
[10:51] <blindcoder> s/mirroring/crawling/
[10:51] <[anders-mcafee]> blindcoder: so they can tinker with the content no doubt
[11:06] <blindcoder> [anders-mcafee]: hoeh?
[11:06] <blindcoder> [anders-mcafee]: blindcoder confused
[11:09] <[anders-mcafee]> heh
[11:09] <[anders-mcafee]> blindcoder: if MSN caches the data (mirror it if you wish) they can 'serve' it more effectively and more accurately (for M$)
[11:11] <blindcoder> [anders-mcafee]: then I wish them much fun with the rockdoc commit mailinglist archive, the LVP subversion repository and the Nethack Farming Bot subversion tree :)
[11:11] <[anders-mcafee]> blindcoder: oh but ofcourse.. :)
[11:13] Action: blindcoder looking forward to 16:30 today
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[12:16] <netrunner> daja77: sorry, I won't be able to come :(
[12:17] <netrunner> blindcoder: do you go c->in afterwards? (or maybe some not so long time afterwards?)
[12:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: no, back to berlin
[12:26] <blindcoder> netrunner: but I go to IN at the easter weekend (25th) :)
[12:28] <daja77> hm i increased the size of cd4 by 200mb
[12:30] <blindcoder> w00t
[12:30] <blindcoder> only games?
[12:30] <blindcoder> well, still fits onto a DVD :)
[12:31] Action: daja77 kicks blindcoder once more
[12:31] <blindcoder> ouch
[12:31] <blindcoder> what?
[12:31] <daja77> i should stop that, i fi don't want to be alone at clt
[12:32] <blindcoder> heh :)
[12:32] <blindcoder> don't worry, my company pays, so I'll be there no matter what
[12:32] <blindcoder> and NO
[12:32] <blindcoder> that doesn't mean you can start kicking me now :P
[12:32] <daja77> damn
[12:32] <daja77> ;)
[12:32] Action: blindcoder runs away to start installing a SunBlade 150
[12:32] <blindcoder> bbiab
[12:32] <daja77> cu
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[12:50] <blindcoder> back
[13:02] <blindcoder> http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/200502
[13:02] <blindcoder> any comments?
[13:20] <th> yea
[13:20] <th> please add something like "still no decision for subdomains has been made"
[13:32] <blindcoder> okay
[13:33] <blindcoder> added
[13:35] <blindcoder> This is also a good place to start if you want to be a ROCK developer.
[13:35] <blindcoder> added to the "Unmaintained packages" section
[13:35] <th> yes
[13:42] <netrunner> blindcoder: you're the only one from bavaria who goes to ltc, no?
[13:42] <netrunner> (since I am starting to get fever now :( )
[13:42] <blindcoder> netrunner: yes. praenti has no money and fake will move on this weekend
[13:46] <daja77> s/bavaria//
[13:47] <blindcoder> daja77: o_O
[13:47] <netrunner> daja77: one from who goes to ltc?
[13:48] Action: netrunner wonders where who is. sounds chinese
[13:49] <blindcoder> who? - no, where. - what? - Where. - What where? - Where is who? - Who?
[13:50] <netrunner> who is the one? - who. - the one. - yes. - so who is the one? - yes. - yes? - no, who. - the one. ...
[13:50] <blindcoder> hehe
[13:50] <blindcoder> ITE :)
[13:53] <blindcoder> brb
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[13:53] <owl> moin
[14:09] <daja77> ok s/from bavaria//
[14:10] <blindcoder> moin owl 
[14:10] <blindcoder> daja77: so you won't be there either?
[14:10] <daja77> i am
[14:11] <blindcoder> so I'm not the only one :)
[14:11] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[14:12] Action: th adds koffice 1.3.1->1.3.5 and k3b 0.11.9->0.11.20 updates to the current kde-update tests.
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[14:52] <th> Package selection templates have the advantage over the above mentioned that they can easily be reused. The disadvantage is that you have to specify every single package you want.
[14:52] <th> i disagress
[14:52] <th> i disagree
[14:54] <th> blindcoder: most pkgsel's we have select on repository
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[15:14] <caligula> hi
[15:14] <caligula> somebody can help to me?
[15:15] <caligula> I try with DRBD 
[15:18] <caligula> why my 'cat /proc/mounts' is distint to 'mount output'
[15:27] <blindcoder> same or different?
[15:27] <caligula> #mount say: /dev/hda9 on /tmp type ext3
[15:27] <blindcoder> th: that can also be done, right
[15:27] <caligula> # umount /dev/hda9:  umount: /dev/hda9: not mounted
[15:28] <blindcoder> mount reads /etc/mtab
[15:28] <th> caligula: mount reads /etc/mtab
[15:28] <th> heh
[15:28] <blindcoder> :)
[15:28] <th> caligula: try a cat /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab
[15:28] <caligula> then?
[15:28] <caligula> ok
[15:29] <caligula> but why mtab is not updated?
[15:29] <th> caligula: might happen when it is on a readonly fs
[15:31] <caligula> ok, work fine
[15:31] <caligula> why I will use Rock Linux?
[15:32] <th> caligula: will you?
[15:33] <caligula> Rock Linux is a good choice for servers?
[15:33] <caligula> o for workstations?
[15:33] <th> for me it's a good choice for both of them
[15:33] <caligula> why?
[15:33] <blindcoder> caligula: you know, asking here you will get answers that just _might_ be biased :)
[15:33] <caligula> ja
[15:33] <caligula> ok
[15:33] <th> blindcoder: like "better don't choose rocklinux"?
[15:34] <blindcoder> th: something like that :)
[15:34] <caligula> anyone have experience with DRBD?
[15:34] <th> what's that?
[15:34] <blindcoder> fake has, I think
[15:34] <th> Gee...  I don't know what drbd means...
[15:34] <blindcoder> Dual Redundand Block Device
[15:34] <th> ahh
[15:35] <caligula> fake, you can helpme?
[15:35] <blindcoder> something the company clifford works at developed
[15:35] <caligula> th, is a LAN RAID 1
[15:35] <blindcoder> caligula: better try again after the weekend. He's probably preparing his move which is due this weekend
[15:36] <caligula> ah ok
[15:36] <th> caligula: why is it called "block" device then? LAN sounds char-based to me.
[15:37] <caligula> DRBD is used for replicate block device in remote hosts
[15:37] <th> i see
[15:37] <caligula> like RAID 1 but over a network
[15:37] <th> ok
[15:38] <th> reminds me of iSCSI
[15:38] <caligula> what's iSCSI?
[15:38] <caligula> hardware or software?
[15:38] <th> scsi over ip
[15:38] <th> you can do it in full software with standard nic's
[15:39] <th> or you can outsource the ip-load
[15:39] <caligula> is a path to linux kernel?
[15:39] <th> with special host adapters
[15:39] <th> caligula: yes
[15:39] <caligula> I need special hardware then?
[15:39] <th> or you can even do all iSCSI on controllers
[15:39] <th> < th> you can do it in full software with standard nic's
[15:39] <th> you wont need special hardware then
[15:42] <fake> blindcoder: i have no experience with it, i just know what it is
[15:42] <blindcoder> fake: ah, okay
[15:42] <fake> caligula: what is you question? but be warned, i have no idea, and i'm not afraid to admit that ;)
[15:43] <caligula> hi
[15:43] <caligula> I have 2 hosts configured with DRBD
[15:43] <caligula>  0: cs:Connected st:Primary/Secondary ld:Consistent
[15:43] <caligula>     ns:10 nr:0 dw:10 dr:198 al:0 bm:22 lo:0 pe:0 ua:0 ap:0
[15:43] <caligula>  0: cs:Connected st:Secondary/Primary ld:Consistent
[15:43] <caligula>     ns:0 nr:10 dw:10 dr:0 al:0 bm:22 lo:0 pe:0 ua:0 ap:0
[15:44] <caligula> all ok
[15:44] <caligula> but I can't mount DRBD device in secondary host
[15:44] <caligula> Primary host: /dev/drbd/0 on /mnt type ext3 (rw)
[15:45] <caligula> Secondary host say when I try mount /dev/drbd/0
[15:45] <caligula> /dev/drbd/0: Input/output error
[15:45] <caligula> mount: block device /dev/drbd/0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[15:45] <caligula> /dev/drbd/0: Input/output error
[15:45] <caligula> mount: /dev/drbd/0 already mounted or /mnt/ busy
[15:46] <caligula> fake, you understand DRBD?
[15:46] <blindcoder> is drbd meant to be mounted on both sides?
[15:46] <caligula> yes
[15:46] <th> one block device mounted twice?
[15:46] <th> which filesystem will handle that?
[15:47] <fake> caligula: i have no practical clue on drbd, never used it. you may hope for clifford to stop by...
[15:47] <caligula> ok
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[18:31] <daja77> hi fake
[18:33] <treo> bye
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[18:52] Action: blindcoder back
[18:52] <blindcoder> daja77: I got the posters
[18:52] <blindcoder> came out quite nicely
[18:52] <blindcoder> but you can see single pixels from up close
[19:45] <fake> phew
[19:45] <fake> just in time...
[20:00] <blindcoder> for what?
[20:02] <fake> a last-minute change to the game
[20:02] <fake> now i'm gonna go there and listen to a speech of one of my bosses about 'the great achievements of soviet space travel technolgy' ;-))
[20:02] <blindcoder> ...
[20:03] <fake> that's not ment for real.
[20:03] <blindcoder> I know
[20:03] <blindcoder> that's what worries me
[20:03] <fake> ... i guess.
[20:03] <fake> it's a fun event
[22:09] <owl> remoin
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[22:46] <daja77> fake: do you know if clifford left?
[23:02] <mnemoc> daja77: news about mike?
[23:02] <daja77> no
[23:02] <daja77> but i just phoned clifford
[23:03] <mnemoc> he?
[23:03] <mnemoc> you
[23:04] <mnemoc> :p
[23:04] <mnemoc> clifford will talk in mike's place
[23:04] <mnemoc> ?
[23:09] Action: daja77 will talk for clifford
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