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[02:09] <mnemoc> what works better autotrace or potrace?
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[07:55] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:39] <sleon> hallo
[08:39] <sleon> does rocklinux have automated security updates function?
[08:42] <blindcoder> hi
[08:42] <netrunner> sleon: rocklinux is a distribution build kit. if you use rocklinux, you build a distribution. so it's your job to propagate security updates using the means of rocklinux builtin tools.
[08:42] <netrunner> moin blindy
[08:43] <netrunner> easterhegg application online.
[08:43] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[08:43] <netrunner> https://easterhegg2005.hamburg.ccc.de/cgi-bin/anmeldung.cgi
[08:44] <sleon> ok
[08:44] <sleon> is there any distro which uses ports with automatically security updates?
[08:44] <blindcoder> netrunner: sorry, already got something to do at the time
[08:44] <sleon> are you aware of something like it?
[08:45] <blindcoder> not using ROCK, no.
[08:45] <sleon> :(((
[08:45] <netrunner> sleon: all distros are as automatic as their maintainers.
[08:46] <sleon> yes
[08:46] <sleon> but i don't wnat to install fixes manually
[08:46] <sleon> when they are released
[08:46] <sleon> man i think i will switch to *BSD
[08:46] <sleon> :((
[08:46] <netrunner> sleon: when fixes got in rock trunk, you can semi-automated download them and build/install them.
[08:46] <blindcoder> you can use debian stable and a cronjob to do apt-get update && apt-get distupgrade
[08:47] <blindcoder> :)
[08:47] <sleon> debian has over problems
[08:47] <sleon> which drive me nuts
[08:47] <blindcoder> yes, yes indeed :)
[08:47] <sleon> :)
[08:47] <sleon> i need some ports system with little features thats all
[08:48] <sleon> not as bloated as gentoo is
[08:48] <sleon> not as lieght as crux
[08:48] <blindcoder> sleon: you can use a cronjob to do this in rock
[08:48] <sleon> ok
[08:48] <sleon> how will it look like?
[08:48] <sleon> something like : update world??
[08:48] <blindcoder> that does a "svn up" in the src tree, then scripts/Create-UpdateList (or something like that)
[08:49] <sleon> :|
[08:49] <blindcoder> and from that list you can then use scripts/Build-Pkg -update
[08:49] <blindcoder> this is easy to do in a cronjob
[08:49] <sleon> that means it will update all packages, right?
[08:49] <blindcoder> right
[08:49] <sleon> even that which don't need any fixes
[08:50] <sleon> and maybe ne versions will brake something :((
[08:50] <blindcoder> yes, that's likely
[08:50] <sleon> hmm
[08:50] <blindcoder> that's why you want to use stable
[08:50] <blindcoder> not development tree
[08:50] <sleon> ok
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[09:53] <hans_> Hello ! I did : Download -cfg system -required; but I believe that 'm getting Download .. -all (Dosemu, Dosbox, lots of fonts, ...). Did I get something wrong or is this some kind of flood-attack ?
[09:54] <blindcoder> what did you configure to be built?
[09:55] <hans_> system or something like that. I'm not in the room where the download is going on
[09:56] <hans_> maybe general
[09:56] <netrunner> hans_: what target is your configuration? generic?
[09:57] <netrunner> hans_: generic contains all available packages.
[09:57] <hans_> yes generic
[09:57] <hans_> OK, so required and all is ignored ?
[09:58] <hans_> or overruled
[09:58] <hans_> by general
[09:58] <hans_> generic
[10:02] <hans_> Guess so! Thank you for helping me. Bye!
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[10:19] <fake> moin
[10:20] <fake> boy, how could that happen
[10:20] Action: netrunner dumping his queue.
[10:20] <netrunner> fake: what happened?
[10:20] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[10:21] <fake> package/base/linux/linux26/75-linux-types_h.patch line9
[10:21] <blindcoder> fake: becoming father?
[10:21] <fake> line 9
[10:21] <fake> blindcoder: not yet
[10:21] <fake> but that's almost as bad.
[10:21] <blindcoder> <m:human-readable errcode="160029">
[10:21] <blindcoder> Could not open the requested SVN filesystem
[10:21] <blindcoder> </m:human-readable>
[10:21] <netrunner> huh
[10:21] <fake> big endian is broken since i-don't-know-when and nobody noticex
[10:21] <fake> big endian is broken since i-don't-know-when and nobody noticec
[10:22] <blindcoder> whoops
[10:22] <netrunner> who's using big endian anyway :)
[10:22] <blindcoder> this probably means that noone here has big endian hardware
[10:22] <blindcoder> fake: what's up with the subversion repository?
[10:22] <fake> blindcoder: may be corrupted
[10:23] <fake> blindcoder: wait a second...
[10:23] <fake> try now
[10:24] <blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/
[10:24] <blindcoder> still borked
[10:25] <fake> arrrgh
[10:27] <fake> hm
[10:27] <fake> we'll have to wait for clifford
[10:29] <blindcoder> okay
[10:29] <fake> doesn't answer the phone...
[10:29] <blindcoder> still sleeping? :)
[10:29] <fake> i doubt it - his girlfriend has to get up at 6 or so
[10:31] Action: fake put up his G3 at his company
[10:31] <fake> finally, powerpc test builds again...
[10:35] <blindcoder> nice :)
[10:43] <netrunner> nobody here uses hylafax? *wonder*
[10:43] <th> morning
[10:43] <th> netrunner: yea i do.
[10:44] <th> netrunner: and i appreciated that you packaged it.
[10:44] <blindcoder> moin th
[10:44] <th> fake: what's the issue with rock-linux? what did you try to resolve?
[10:45] <fake> th: recover.sh
[10:45] <fake> th: and call clifford
[10:45] <fake> both to no avail
[10:45] <fake> brb
[10:46] <th> fake: the "recover.sh rock-linux" did not work?
[10:46] <th> we should really update the subversion there.
[10:46] <fake> no
[10:47] <th> no we shouldn't or no did not work?
[10:47] <fake> didn't work
[10:48] <th> ohh some bdb issue
[10:48] <th> some corruptness on the repo fs i guess
[10:48] <th> might be that we need a backup here.
[10:54] <th> fake: if you have contact to cliff again - please force him to update to svn-1.1.3
[10:56] <fake> i'll try...
[11:02] <th> hmmm no dumps since r5675 - last commit i know of is r5679
[11:18] <clifford> *FUCK*
[11:18] <fake> uh-oh
[11:19] <clifford> last backup is from 20041202. the person who got the error-mails didn't care about it ..
[11:19] <th> clifford: we have the dump files
[11:21] <clifford> th: did u create the rock-linux.tgz in /data/rock-svn ?
[11:22] <th> yes
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[11:24] <th> clifford: is Dumps/rock-linux-2004-09-09-1158.dump + all the incrementals complete?
[11:24] <th> clifford: we would only loose 4 commits then
[11:26] <th> clifford: i'm copying the Dumps offsite now and play the recovery scenario a bit
[11:26] <clifford> nope.
[11:26] <clifford> we would need to use the backup from 20041202 and the incremental dumps.
[11:26] <th> yes
[11:27] <th> can you make a dump available for me from that backup?
[11:27] <th> i'd create a complete dump-file then
[11:30] <th> clifford: and do you have the minute for doing the svn-1.1.3 update on phoenix?
[11:31] <clifford> _after_ we have recovered the repository and I have dumped all repositories on the machine..
[11:32] <th> sure thing
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[12:20] <clifford> ok. short update on the issue:
[12:21] <clifford> I've installed bdb41 utilities on the backup server (which is running debilian) so I was able to see what database logs are active in the backup repository from december
[12:21] <clifford> then I've create a tar of that repository (56MB) and transfered that to the rock linux server.
[12:23] <clifford> There I recovered the backup repository and dumped it.
[12:23] <th> up to which revision?
[12:23] <th> we lost the last 4?
[12:23] <clifford> .. and merged the dump with the incremental dumps we have on phoenix.
[12:24] <clifford> Right now I'm loading the dumps to a newly created fsfs repository:
[12:24] <clifford> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux.new/
[12:24] <th> fsfs yea
[12:24] <th> no bdb messes any more :)
[12:24] <daja77> it is faster than bdb
[12:24] <daja77> on svnadmin load operations
[12:25] <clifford> .. I will also convert all other repositories on the host to fsfs (that's on my todo for a few weeks now)
[12:25] <clifford> yea - I mean: just open the URL I've posted above (and keep in mind that this is while I'm loading the dump into the repository)
[12:25] <th> clifford: do you need another backup host?
[12:26] <fake> clifford: on a completely different topic - i am seeing strange Create-DepList behaviour...
[12:26] <clifford> th: no. the host is fine. It's just that everyone ignored the error sent by the daily backup job..
[12:26] <th> ok
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[12:41] <clifford> **SHIT**
[12:42] <daja77> ?
[12:42] <clifford> an error. while loading revision 5673  !!!!!!
[12:42] <daja77> argh
[12:43] <clifford> it 5675 rev. in total !!
[12:43] <th> no 5679!
[12:43] <th> [svn-rock-linux] r5678 - branches/2.0-stable/package/base/sysfiles
[12:43] <clifford> no - it in rev 5674
[12:43] <th> [svn-rock-linux] r5679 - trunk/package/stf
[12:43] <th> but there are no dumps for them
[12:44] <th> i think we have to recommit
[12:44] <clifford> th: maybe. but we aren't so far yet.
[12:44] <th> clifford: just keep me posted
[12:56] <clifford> *FUCK*FUCK*FUCK*
[12:56] <clifford> This is not fair !!!!
[12:56] <clifford> when checking it out:
[12:56] <clifford> ...
[12:56] <clifford> A  rock-trunk-new/package/base/ccbench/ccbench.conf
[12:56] <clifford> A  rock-trunk-new/package/base/aspell-es
[12:56] <clifford> A  rock-trunk-new/package/base/aspell-es/aspell-es.desc
[12:56] <clifford> A  rock-trunk-new/package/base/aspell-es/aspell-es.cache
[12:56] <clifford> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[12:56] <daja77> O_O
[12:58] Action: clifford joining #svn ..
[13:05] <clifford> Here I opened wide the door -- Darkness there, and nothing more.  (from "The Raven" by Edgar Allan Poe)
[13:06] <clifford> .. that's how I just felt after asking my question on #svn ..  ;-)
[13:06] <daja77> just keep in myind that they might not work yet
[13:07] <daja77> but if you have the dumps, i'd uograde svn and svnadmin load then
[13:08] <clifford> I'm creating dumps now just to be save. But If I don't need to reload it makes the procedrue much easier ..
[13:08] <daja77> hm
[13:09] <th> clifford: you should reload them in a 1.1.3 repo
[13:09] <daja77> yes
[13:09] <clifford> I will convert them to fsfs anyways.
[13:09] <th> and that convert should happen by dump/reload, no?
[13:09] <clifford> please, just let me do my work ...
[13:09] <th> clifford: might your checkout problem be client-related?
[13:10] <clifford> no. it's not.
[13:10] <clifford> on a network connection it's on the server side.
[13:10] <clifford> I've checked that.
[13:10] <clifford> My provblem right now is that I can discuss every detail here now and work on the problem at the same time..
[13:10] <clifford> can't
[13:11] <th> clifford: sorry i did not meant to offend you. just wanted to be helpful
[13:11] <clifford> i know. and I don't feel offended. I just can't answer all your questions right now.
[13:12] <clifford> please trust me - I will report progress when I wait for the computer to do something ..
[13:12] Action: th is in silent mode now.
[13:12] <th> ;>
[13:15] <netrunner> phew, just missed failing a course by 0.2 points :)
[13:16] <blindcoder> heh
[13:16] <blindcoder> that just means you've been too lazy to learn
[13:17] <netrunner> well, for each of the 2 exams I learned just the day they were on, as I took them additionally to my regular schedule.
[13:41] <clifford> damit! it still segfaults with svn 1.1.3
[13:42] <clifford> I'll now trying to re-create the fsfs repository with 1.1.3 ..
[13:43] Action: clifford mixing up grammatical tenses again... tztz...
[13:43] <blindcoder> hehe :)
[13:44] <blindcoder> when's your birthday? Maybe we can giftwrap some english lessons :D
[13:50] <clifford> ok. recreation of "rock-linux.new" is running ...
[13:51] <clifford> this wil ltake some time. I'll get myself something to eat meanwhile ..
[13:51] <blindcoder> an guadn
[13:51] <clifford> afk.
[13:51] <netrunner> an guadn
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[13:52] <treo> hi
[14:01] <netrunner> ho 3o
[14:06] <fake> j0
[14:06] <daja77> fake the gangsta rappa
[14:33] <netrunner> hm, hylafax doesn't do color :(
[14:39] <blindcoder> fake: read the CLT mails?
[14:40] <fake> blindcoder: yes.
[14:41] <blindcoder> fake: good, then what's the state of AMD64 livecds? :)
[14:44] <fake> blindcoder: works
[14:44] <fake> blindcoder: waiting for the [PROVIDES] hack
[14:44] <blindcoder> fake: ah, okay
[14:44] <fake> then i'll release ppc, x86_64 and x86_32
[14:44] <blindcoder> fake: maybe you could post that to the mailinglist as an answer to the CLT mail?
[14:44] <fake> maybe... ;-)
[14:45] <blindcoder> pretty please :)
[14:45] <blindcoder> I feel so lonely on the mailinglist otherwise
[14:51] <fake> blindcoder: later
[14:51] <blindcoder> fake: thanks :)
[14:52] Action: daja77 likes fake's blog server
[14:54] <blindcoder> ...
[14:55] <daja77> :-P
[14:56] <blindcoder> sorry, if I want to write a diary I'm certainly not giving it away for anyone to read
[14:56] <daja77> it is not only a diary
[14:57] <daja77> it is the place to put rants and personal stuff if i am feel like it
[14:57] <daja77> -am
[14:58] <blindcoder> oh, I thought that's what IRC is for :)
[14:58] <daja77> irc for the short rants to calm down again ^^
[15:01] <blindcoder> okay :)
[15:01] <daja77> but the stuff about the games is too much for irc
[15:02] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:02] <blindcoder> I will play Privateer tonight :)
[15:02] <daja77> vegastrike mod?
[15:02] <blindcoder> jupp
[15:03] <daja77> ^^
[15:03] <daja77> i played it a bit withoud the mod on clt
[15:03] <blindcoder> couldn't get it to compile here
[15:03] <blindcoder> so I'm hoping for better results with the precompiled mod
[15:04] <daja77> you don't have to compile anything 
[15:04] <blindcoder> o_O
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[15:16] <clifford> the repository is up and running again now .. see mailinglist message.
[15:16] <clifford> th: do not commit to the new repository now..
[15:21] <blindcoder> hmm, guess now would be a bad time to ask to stop lurker accepting mails from any spammer out there, would it?
[15:22] <th> clifford: acknowledged. let me know.
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[16:18] <clifford> th: ok. it's save to commit now.
[16:23] <th> clifford: did you manage to restore every revision?
[16:25] <mnemoc> Updated to revision 3.
[16:30] <clifford> th: yes and no.
[16:31] <th> clifford: so do i have to recommit anything?
[16:31] <clifford> I re-created the last few revisions manually (starting with r5673)
[16:31] <clifford> no.
[16:32] <clifford> but (as said on the mailing list) you need to re-create your checkout.
[16:33] <th> oh sorry missed the ML
[16:34] <clifford> It looks like there went s.th. wrong in r5673 - r8675 which broke the repository.
[16:34] <th> clifford: did you update to 1.1.3?
[16:34] <clifford> That's also why the fsfs thing segfaultet.
[16:34] <clifford> yes.
[16:34] <th> ok cool then
[16:35] <clifford> [14:11] <clifford> damit! it still segfaults with svn 1.1.3
[16:36] <clifford> *sigh* a "very" productive day ..
[16:36] <th> might be a good moment to switch the url to something like svn.rocklinux.net if you intended to do so.
[16:36] <th> cause everybody needs to recheckout anyways
[16:37] <clifford> Hmm? You don't need to re-checkout for an URL change..
[16:37] <th> i did not say that
[16:37] <th> but now everybody need to recheckout
[16:37] <th> and that would save a switch later
[16:38] <clifford> hmmm.. i feel like I have changed enough for one day now.
[16:38] <th> yea true
[16:38] <clifford> the dump files also get created again now
[16:39] <clifford> and a (deltified) full dump is made every monday.
[16:39] <clifford> and I've fixed the backup system.
[16:41] <clifford> everything (migration to fsfs and new dump script) has been done for all the 28 repositories on the server..
[16:41] Action: clifford is tired now..  *g*
[16:41] <th> heh
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[17:48] <blindcoder> hmm, an url change to svn. wouldn't need much work (and no, I'm only theorising here)
[17:49] <blindcoder> svn:// would work as usual and for http access "only" a virtual host would need to be set, no?
[17:49] <blindcoder> "You are runnig a x86 system with glibc-2.1"
[17:49] <blindcoder> ehm...
[17:49] <blindcoder> no
[17:51] <blindcoder> hmm
[17:51] <blindcoder> privateer remake installer is buggy :(
[17:54] <blindcoder> setup.sh: Segmentation fault
[17:54] <blindcoder> ...
[18:00] <BoS> moin blindcoder 
[18:02] <blindcoder> okay, this incarnation of vegastrike works just as good as the vanilla one
[18:03] <blindcoder> NOT AT ALL
[18:33] <daja77> the leave out the mod, the graphics of vegastrike looks much better anyway
[18:33] <daja77> +n
[18:33] <blindcoder> HAH
[18:33] <blindcoder> GOTCHA
[18:33] <blindcoder> works in single-user installation
[18:33] <daja77> ^^
[18:34] <blindcoder> but royally fails in systemwide installation
[18:34] Action: blindcoder curses the loki installer
[18:34] <daja77> hm haven't i wroted sth about that ...
[18:35] <blindcoder> ACK
[18:35] <blindcoder> assertions >_<
[18:36] <daja77> i shoudl write to the vegastrike folks anyway, I want to now why they don't release src tarball
[18:36] <blindcoder> because there's cvs?
[18:37] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:37] <blindcoder> setup program can't find setup.config in "."
[18:38] <daja77> there is cvs is no excuse
[18:38] <blindcoder> I know
[18:39] <blindcoder> and for broken setup programs which you need to "fix" by stracing them and then symlinking files around there IS NO excuse
[18:46] <daja77> yep
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[18:52] <blindcoder> great
[18:52] <blindcoder> now it even segfaults on me
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[18:53] <blindcoder> because it can't find a fucking data file
[18:53] <blindcoder> WHAT PART OF THIS IS V1.0?
[18:53] <markuman> hi all. i want to try out rock linux - whats with 64bit support?
[18:53] <blindcoder> I don't believe it...
[18:54] <blindcoder> markuman: fake is worknig on that and intends to release a AM64 livecd soon
[18:54] <blindcoder>  Linux users *must* play at medium difficulty
[18:54] <blindcoder> we forgot to include the easy ai files...
[18:56] <blindcoder> oh boy, reading the forum announcements of privateer remake makes me want to kill someone
[18:57] <daja77> rofl
[18:57] <daja77> omg
[18:58] <daja77> i don't get some projects anyway, they detect a major flaw e.g. prgram doesn't compile and fix it in cvs and don't rerelease
[18:59] <blindcoder> next: The install errors are normal. Most people don't read them, anyway.
[19:01] <daja77> hehe
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[20:35] <mnemoc> daja77: i got mike from his m$ ipaq, he claims to be ok, and he is very very sorry with you
[20:45] <blindcoder> that's great to hear
[20:46] <mnemoc> yeah :)
[21:17] <daja77> can he connect to the net with this thing?
[21:18] <blindcoder> privateer is great :D
[21:18] <blindcoder> once it works
[21:19] <daja77> ^^
[21:19] <blindcoder> it's only the systemwide installation that's severely b0rked
[21:23] <blindcoder> and the fact that the setup program does a cd ~/.privater100 before opening setup.config
[21:23] <blindcoder> and then trying _fixed_ /usr/local/games/setup.config
[21:23] <daja77> >_<
[21:23] <blindcoder> it's so fscking stupid
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[21:33] <owl> moin
[21:38] <blindcoder> is it a bad omen if I understand discworld references in an anime?
[21:38] <daja77> hehe
[21:39] <daja77> hm anime i should watch some today
[21:41] <blindcoder> you should watch anime every day
[21:41] <blindcoder> it's a good substitute for social life
[21:42] <daja77> just have one series atm
[21:43] <blindcoder> which?
[21:43] <daja77> hack sign
[21:43] <blindcoder> heh :)
[21:43] <blindcoder> that one's great, although a bit weird in the end
[21:43] <daja77> rebecca gave it to me
[21:43] <blindcoder> good recommendation
[21:43] <daja77> :)
[21:43] <blindcoder> you should listen to her more often
[21:43] <daja77> hehe
[21:51] <owl> rebecca?
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[22:04] <mnemoc> rehi
[22:08] <daja77> hi mnemoc! 
[22:09] Action: blindcoder --> bed
[22:09] <blindcoder> good night!
[22:09] <daja77> n8 blindcoder 
[22:10] <owl> gn8 blindcoder 
[22:13] <mnemoc> hi daja :)
[22:13] <mnemoc> gn8n blindcoder 
[22:13] <mnemoc> hi owlinette
[22:13] <owl> hi mnemoc ! how are you?
[22:13] <mnemoc> stressed, as usual :) and you?
[22:14] <owl> ill. as usual :p
[22:14] <owl> and tired *yaaaawns*
[22:14] <mnemoc> try sleeping :)
[22:15] <owl> nah. not allowed to do yet. have to wait till 24 o clock
[22:16] <mnemoc> 0 0 * * * mv /dev/*/owl /dev/bed
[22:16] <owl> nah. ;) 
[22:52] <treo> mv /dev/treo /dev/bed
[22:52] <daja77> n8 treo 
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[23:35] <fake> *boerp*
[23:36] <owl> hi fake 
[23:36] <daja77> hi fake ^^
[23:37] <fake> hi
[23:39] Action: daja77 blogging
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