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[07:55] <netrunner> moin
[08:09] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:46] <raphael> hello rockbot
[08:46] <raphael> rockbot: can you talk?
[08:47] <raphael> rockbot: commands?
[08:47] <blindcoder> no, it can't
[08:47] <blindcoder> it's just a logger
[08:47] <raphael> hmm, ah, ok
[08:47] <raphael> at least something :)
[08:48] <raphael> how is the KDE update going?
[08:48] <blindcoder> good AFAICT
[08:48] <blindcoder> fake and daja77 are working on it
[08:48] <raphael> nice
[08:49] <raphael> when do you plan to release Crystal Rock?
[08:49] <blindcoder> hmm
[08:49] <blindcoder> I'm not aware of any timerelated roadmap
[08:49] <blindcoder> so it's the same answer as anywhere else :)
[08:50] <raphael> ok, so you release it when it's ready
[08:50] <blindcoder> though from time to time Crystal ISOs pop up on iso.rocklinux.de
[08:50] <blindcoder> Guess I'll build some when the KDE 3.4 update is in
[08:50] <blindcoder> I want to reinstall a few laptops anyway
[08:50] <raphael> hehe, yes, that would be nice
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[08:51] Action: netrunner will build a crystal before going to spb.
[08:51] <blindcoder> spb?
[08:51] <netrunner> hope the kde update is ready until then
[08:51] <netrunner> st.petersburg
[08:52] <blindcoder> ah
[08:52] <blindcoder> well, I hope it's done until thursday
[08:52] <blindcoder> since I'll be at my parents' over Easter and want to run a build during that time
[08:52] <netrunner> ok, so I can build while I am in hh
[08:52] <blindcoder> heh
[08:57] <raphael> at what svn revision are you at the moment?
[08:58] <blindcoder> 5747
[08:58] <blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/
[08:59] <raphael> ok
[08:59] <raphael> uhm.... can I build a distribution on FreeBSD? Anyone knows?
[08:59] <blindcoder> I doubt that
[09:00] <raphael> well, it has Linux emulation and devfs
[09:00] <raphael> but the FreeBSD devfs has a bit different namings for the devices.
[09:00] <blindcoder> I don't know enough about FreeBSD but you might try
[09:00] <blindcoder> or you use the bbs iso
[09:00] <raphael> bbs?
[09:00] <blindcoder> build bootstrap
[09:01] <blindcoder> basically it's a minimal installation that can be used to build a ROCK system
[09:01] <blindcoder> http://iso.rocklinux.de/default.php?dir=/official/2.0-stable/2.0.3/buildbootstrap/
[09:03] <raphael> I'm trying to build it on FreeBSD, just for the fun of it :)
[09:07] <netrunner> security issue in 2.6 http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/393590/2005-03-11/2005-03-17/0
[09:11] <blindcoder> raphael: please report on success!
[09:11] <raphael> I will :)
[09:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: so don't borrow CDs from "untrustworthy" sources
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[11:35] <daja77> netrunner, blincoder: I think I'll upload a crystal with kde 3.4 tomorrow
[11:36] <daja77> or perhaps today
[11:40] <netrunner> daja77: finished?
[11:41] <daja77> yes yesterday, it just depends when I am in the university for a fas connection
[11:42] Action: netrunner still waiting for the patch :)
[11:42] <netrunner> I think I am going to build my own because I have a list of packages I miss in crystal
[11:44] <daja77> you can build them with crystal too, just tinker one checkbox more ;)
[11:45] <netrunner> daja77: yes, but I'll do the crystal build myself to have those packages included.
[11:46] <daja77> hf
[11:50] <fake> hi
[11:50] <daja77> moin fake
[11:51] Action: fake has a telephone jack in his flat now
[11:51] <fake> of course, it's not connected to the POTS
[11:51] <fake> but directly to inode ;)
[11:51] <daja77> so you'll have inet there soon?
[11:57] <blindcoder> heh
[11:57] <blindcoder> nice
[11:57] <blindcoder> hmm
[11:57] <blindcoder> I need/want in my crystal: rockinitrd, icewm
[12:04] Action: netrunner counts openvpn, a few gnome core libs, firewire stuff and kino+dvgrab, xtris and a bunch of other stuff.
[12:05] <blindcoder> well, yes. games :)
[12:05] <blindcoder> btw. do we have jam packagd?
[12:06] <blindcoder> ah, we have
[12:07] <blindcoder> guess I'll package glest then ^^
[12:09] <blindcoder> netrunner: so you'll be using kino and dvgrab regularly?
[12:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: as soon as this f*ing s*t starts working, yes :)
[12:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: yet I spent two nights unsuccessfull. could you give me hints?
[12:11] <blindcoder> netrunner: hardly. It just worked here
[12:11] <blindcoder> I user raw1394, libavc, dvgrab and kino
[12:11] <blindcoder> s/user/used/
[12:11] <netrunner> blindcoder: could it be the cable?
[12:12] <blindcoder> have you tried it somewhere else?
[12:12] <netrunner> blindcoder: the epia at least saw the camera. my build server with a pci firewire card didn't even see it connect (also not under windows)
[12:13] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:13] <blindcoder> guess you have the camera set correctly
[12:13] <netrunner> dvgrab on the epia even started playback. but said it didn't receive anything.
[12:14] <blindcoder> what did kino on the epia do?
[12:16] <netrunner> blindcoder: pop up an error from kde (or was it gnome?) that said the application terminated unexpectedly
[12:17] <netrunner> must be an issue with my gnome libs. 
[12:18] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:18] <blindcoder> might be the cable, a setting on your cam or the pci card
[12:18] <blindcoder> just about anything
[12:18] <blindcoder> or the cam doesn't speak avc
[12:19] <blindcoder> but its own sh*i protocol
[12:19] <netrunner> blindcoder: it does, since dvgrab starts the playback.
[12:19] <netrunner> (on the epia)
[12:20] <blindcoder> ah, yes
[12:20] <blindcoder> have you tried contacting the author or a mailinglist over there?
[12:21] <blindcoder> As I said, it really jsut worked here :(
[12:21] <netrunner> no. I found so many comments that had the same problem ("No DV" - message from dvgrab) and no answers...
[12:21] <blindcoder> :(
[12:25] <netrunner> I only wonder why the card in my build server doesn't react at all.
[12:28] <blindcoder> is it even recognized?
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[13:25] <netrunner> blindcoder: no, nothing. nada. njente.
[13:30] <netrunner> oh, now I can invite to gmail :)
[13:36] <blindcoder> netrunner: so the pci card isn't even recognized?
[13:36] <blindcoder> You might want to get another one or check your modules?
[13:36] <netrunner> the card yes, but not the camera that I plug in
[13:36] <netrunner> the card works fine with the ohci1394
[13:37] <netrunner> "works" as in "driver recognizes it"
[13:37] <blindcoder> have you also the raw1394 module?
[13:37] <netrunner> yes
[13:37] <netrunner> got autoloaded by rockplug
[13:38] <blindcoder> is there a device for that created when plugging in the cam?
[13:38] <blindcoder> (btw, you want to use hotplug)
[13:39] <netrunner> blindcoder: I am fine with rockplug. and no. not on the build machine.
[13:39] <netrunner> blindcoder: on the epia I get quite some messages about a device registering or so.
[13:40] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:40] <blindcoder> you might try using a different cable but I doubt that
[13:40] <blindcoder> it will help
[13:40] <blindcoder> I think you should try a different card or cam to see if it works at all
[13:41] <netrunner> hm yeah.
[13:42] <netrunner> hm. maybe the eth1394 module interferes?
[13:45] <blindcoder> shouldn't be
[13:46] <blindcoder> though it crashed my machine once and I got really strange stuff going on with it
[13:46] <blindcoder> like getting nice transmission rates in one, but only a few kb/s in the other direction
[13:46] <blindcoder> and of course an oops when pulling the cable without rmmod'ing the module
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[14:16] <netrunner> daja77: uploading? :)
[14:31] <blindcoder> daja77: so, how do you want your CLT livecd?
[14:31] <daja77> netrunner: nope, tomorrow, I won't be at the university today
[14:32] <netrunner> daja77: ah, because you
[14:32] <netrunner> 're logged in from there :)
[14:32] <daja77> cpu server ;)
[14:46] <daja77> hrhr just founding a doc suggesting linux 2.0.33 for isdn
[14:47] <blindcoder> o_O
[14:49] <daja77> hey that could be stable!!!111 ;)
[14:50] <blindcoder> hehe
[14:51] <daja77> blindcoder: let's talk about the cd later, have to go now
[14:58] <netrunner> oh wow, found out that I have another machine with ieee1394, my work notebook :)
[14:59] <blindcoder> netrunner: heh
[14:59] <blindcoder> daja77: okay
[15:01] <netrunner> blindcoder: how fast would dvgrab/kino write to disk? is 100MBit network sufficient?
[15:01] <blindcoder> sure
[15:02] <blindcoder> 90 minutes ~30-40 GB
[15:06] <netrunner> hm.
[15:07] <netrunner> that's about 7,5MB/s. could work over net. what happens if there's like a traffic jam? does he pause and continue?
[15:10] <blindcoder> probably
[15:10] <blindcoder> but might also skip the part where the jam occured
[15:10] <blindcoder> does it work on the other machine?
[15:11] Action: netrunner is at work now. and the camera is at a friends  who promised to copy the video.
[15:11] <blindcoder> ah
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[19:16] <treo> hi
[20:33] <fake> hi treo
[21:38] <netrunner> fake: sorry, wasn't meant against you. I am a bist stressed at the moment.
[21:38] <netrunner> fake: unfortunately I have no time currently to do full builds and monitor their results. might change in a month or so.
[21:53] <daja77> wee isdn is now working with 2.6
[21:54] <netrunner> daja77: helau :)
[21:54] <netrunner> daja77: [X] write howto :)
[21:55] <netrunner> daja77: but I guess you don't use capi, do you?
[21:55] <daja77> howto: create devices with mknod, rebuildiung the kernel with a better config ...
[21:56] <daja77> nope the plain old hisax
[21:56] <netrunner> ah. that had echo when I used it with asterisk. but that might have changed with 2.6.
[21:59] <owl> sigh. 
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